Stargate Universe 11/13/2009 "Time" [Text View]

busyba

11-14-2009, 03:56 AM

I'm not an MD, but couldn't Blonde medic have gotten the antibodies already in Lt. Scott's blood? Or am I off a time cycle or two?

Bob

Yeah, you're off a time cycle. The Lt. Scott who might have had had the antibodies in his blood was the guy on the first kino recording; he never made it back to the ship, he's the one who threw the kino with everyone dying on it through the gate.

busyba

11-14-2009, 03:57 AM

At first I was like, "OH NO! They killed Lt. Hooters!", but then when they killed the Pixie I knew that there was going to be some kind of reset button.

DouglasPHill

11-14-2009, 08:47 AM

Good ep, need to watch it again to keep "time" straight in my head. IF they kill Lt. Hooters I'm out of here.

acvthree

11-14-2009, 10:01 AM

At first I was like, "OH NO! They killed Lt. Hooters!", but then when they killed the Pixie I knew that there was going to be some kind of reset button.

I still say those are Major Hooters.

Al

dianebrat

11-14-2009, 10:16 AM

I was both slightly frustrated and VERY impressed with the closing scene, I really do love that they're doing something new in the way they present the series.

vertigo235

11-14-2009, 11:18 AM

I had this one on as background, wasn't really into the kino cam, but towards the end I realized that I needed to rewatch and pay closer attention.

busyba

11-14-2009, 12:00 PM

Watching the squid explode Pixie's back was wicked gross. And I watched it 10 times. :)

Kamakzie

11-14-2009, 12:43 PM

A rather unimpressive episode. I also knew there would be a reset after Chloe died and Major Cans.

Anubys

11-14-2009, 12:45 PM

vertigo235

11-14-2009, 12:54 PM

I think none of the above

busyba

11-14-2009, 02:44 PM

so are we supposed to think that

a. the ship knew about the infection in the water and the people
b. it knew that this planet had an "animal" with the cure in its venom
c. timed its approach with a solar flare so they can learn through time how to fix it

:confused:

or was that just an awesome coincidence?

A and B.

C was just a coincidence.

I don't think the ship knew that the people would have gotten so totally pwned by the critters.

moot

11-14-2009, 02:58 PM

Just how long of a solar flare was that? In timeline #1, they lost contact with Destiny because of the gate flare at, let's say mid-afternoon. They then went to the caves and Rush fled through the still flaring gate well after sundown. I'd say 6 hours, minimum, passed with the gate still disrupted. Do solar flares really last that long?

gastrof

11-14-2009, 07:27 PM

Here's another question.

Didn't the "static" in the wormhole last right to the very end of the gateback window in one of the earlier timelines?

If that's the case, then how in the world did they eventually manage to gate to the planet, find the recording, capture one or more of the squids, and gate back to Destiny before the solar flare turned the stargate into a time machine and trapped them there?

john4200

11-14-2009, 07:48 PM

The second time, they were warned by the kino recording, so they went back earlier to try to get the venom. I think they said they had 45 minutes.

But this episode was so ridiculous. We seem to have a ship full of morons. Why didn't they just skip to the end of the recording to see what happens, and then maybe do a quick FF scan at 10x or 20x to see if they missed anything important in between. Then they would have had hours to do something.

That is just one of the stupid things these people did. I cannot believe that they started drinking the water from the ice planet without distilling it first. Hello? Alien galaxy?

And getting the venom. Why not rig up a few box traps? No need to risk the lives of several people. Just send one person through periodically to check the traps (or a kino, I can't remember if they can send a kino through as a probe?), and armor the person up, maybe with a modded spacesuit.

And the first time, why did they send half the crew down to this planet? I'd think a typical 4-person team would be more than enough. What about randomly biting into alien vegetation? Wouldn't a more intelligent plan be to choose the top 2 or 3 most abundant food possibilities, gather as much as possible, and bring them back to the ship for careful testing before consuming?

I think this show should be called Squabbling Idiots Marooned in Space.

Anubys

11-14-2009, 08:43 PM

I think none of the above

then why did Destiny stop at this planet? there is always a reason...

on a totally unrelated note...man, Rush sure needed a mansiere (is that how you spell it?) :eek:

moot

11-14-2009, 09:06 PM

then why did Destiny stop at this planet? there is always a reason...

I'm not sure there's always a reason. It could just be stopping every time it finds a pre-seeded Stargate system. But if I had to guess at a higher "reason", it may be that it detected a planet with vegetation, and offered it's occupants a chance to restock their produce.

secondclaw

11-14-2009, 09:33 PM

Or if there is more intelligence, the ship detected that they had an infection and found a planet from its database where the cure could be found ... doubt it it though ..

I'm not sure there's always a reason. It could just be stopping every time it finds a pre-seeded Stargate system. But if I had to guess at a higher "reason", it may be that it detected a planet with vegetation, and offered it's occupants a chance to restock their produce.

sushikitten

11-14-2009, 09:52 PM

Two things about this ep:

1. I looooooove time travel episodes because they're intriguing.

2. I HATE time travel episodes because I can never understand them and I end up just watching and not really THINKING about any of it.

gastrof

11-15-2009, 02:39 AM

...on a totally unrelated note...man, Rush sure needed a mansiere (is that how you spell it?) :eek:

Easier to do a Seinfeld and say "bro". :D

gastrof

11-15-2009, 02:45 AM

...I cannot believe that they started drinking the water from the ice planet without distilling it first. Hello? Alien galaxy...

Pretty sure they said they had checked the water out out, and now figured maybe the microbes were so small to start out with that they escaped notice earlier.

cheesesteak

11-15-2009, 06:37 AM

I wasn't expecting the sudden ending. I had to check the guide data to make sure this wasn't a two parter.

I was really surprised at the lack of a plan to capture the alien things.

Kinda slow but still a good ep.

Bierboy

11-15-2009, 10:05 AM

Pretty sure they said they had checked the water out out, and now figured maybe the microbes were so small to start out with that they escaped notice earlier.

Yes, they specifically said they HAD examined/tested/distilled the water before drinking it. And their microscope was not strong enough to detect the microbes which were too small to be detected AT THAT TIME.

Rosincrans

11-15-2009, 11:13 AM

Finally a Sci-Fi episode! And they were finally able to do real drama without devolving into melodrama. I hope this episode is what the show will become and is not just an aberration.

john4200

11-15-2009, 02:50 PM

Pretty sure they said they had checked the water out out, and now figured maybe the microbes were so small to start out with that they escaped notice earlier.

It does not matter whether they can see any microscopic contaminants with a microscope. The obvious thing to do is to distill the water. That accomplishes both boiling it to kill most bacteria, and also eliminates any harmful minerals or trace elements. And there are plenty of people in their party who should have known that. Further, they probably should have been routinely boiling drinking water immediately before drinking it, as an added precaution due to their uncertain conditions.

john4200

11-15-2009, 02:53 PM

Yes, they specifically said they HAD examined/tested/distilled the water before drinking it.

They never said they distilled it. It seems highly unlikely that the contaminants would have survived boiling, or could have traveled air-borne and settled in the condensed water.

windracer

11-15-2009, 03:08 PM

I wasn't expecting the sudden ending. I had to check the guide data to make sure this wasn't a two parter.
Same here. I guess we're supposed to assume that since Scott explained everything and threw the kino though, the next time they found that kino they knew how to do everything right and everything was reset back to the original timeline.

Rob Helmerichs

11-15-2009, 03:12 PM

Same here. I guess we're supposed to assume that since Scott explained everything and threw the kino though, the next time they found that kino they knew how to do everything right and everything was reset back to the original timeline.
That's an old Stargate narrative trick...end the episode before the story really ends.

Those trademark abrupt Stargate endings are kind of the opposite of Smallville endings, where the story seems to end with ten minutes left, and just keeps going and going.

mostman

11-15-2009, 03:46 PM

So when will the crew start realizing that EVERY stop happens for a reason. Let's start a pool.

Jebberwocky!

11-15-2009, 04:47 PM

It does not matter whether they can see any microscopic contaminants with a microscope. The obvious thing to do is to distill the water. That accomplishes both boiling it to kill most bacteria, and also eliminates any harmful minerals or trace elements. And there are plenty of people in their party who should have known that. Further, they probably should have been routinely boiling drinking water immediately before drinking it, as an added precaution due to their uncertain conditions.

They never said they distilled it. It seems highly unlikely that the contaminants would have survived boiling, or could have traveled air-borne and settled in the condensed water.

Who knows for sure - we're talking about germs not from earth.

john4200

11-15-2009, 04:52 PM

Who knows for sure - we're talking about germs not from earth.

If they distilled the water, and then the germs were still active in the water, most people would have been talking about how they discovered some alien super germ, not how they did not see the germs in the microscope at first.

But I am growing bored of this topic. I just mentioned it as one of the many indications that the characters on this show are morons. Although I doubt it is intentional. I suspect the writers are just horrible. Are they staff SyFy writers? They certainly do not seem to be writing at anywhere near the level of the original Stargate writers.

cheesesteak

11-15-2009, 05:33 PM

They certainly do not seem to be writing at anywhere near the level of the original Stargate writers.
You could punch holes in just about every episode in the entire Stargate franchise if you want to.

eddyj

11-15-2009, 06:01 PM

So when will the crew start realizing that EVERY stop happens for a reason. Let's start a pool.

I'm not sure it does. I think it stope every time it hits a solar system with a pre-seeded gate, as someone else mentioned.

cheesesteak

11-15-2009, 06:13 PM

I'm not sure it does. I think it stope every time it hits a solar system with a pre-seeded gate, as someone else mentioned.
I think this too.

Gunnyman

11-15-2009, 06:15 PM

I still say those are Major Hooters.

Al

/Salute
Major Hooters!

moot

11-15-2009, 06:58 PM

You could punch holes in just about every episode in the entire Stargate franchise if you want to.

I think the only difference is that the last two SG's punched their own holes and made fun of themselves. They were campy, they knew it, they rolled with it, and it worked. SGU is so far taking itself much more seriously. That undoubtedly has an effect on what the viewers expect, and their potentially negative reactions when that higher caliber isn't kept up.

Jebberwocky!

11-15-2009, 08:20 PM

I think the only difference is that the last two SG's punched their own holes and made fun of themselves. They were campy, they knew it, they rolled with it, and it worked. SGU is so far taking itself much more seriously. That undoubtedly has an effect on what the viewers expect, and their potentially negative reactions when that higher caliber isn't kept up.

I for one am glad they went into a different direction - otherwise they could have just kept Atlantis going.

BitbyBlit

11-15-2009, 10:09 PM

They never said they distilled it.

I thought they said that some of the water was not properly processed, thereby implying that they did process the water.

whitson77

11-15-2009, 11:04 PM

Finally a great episode. I'll always give credit where credit is due. Eli was really great in this ep. :up:

ronsch

11-16-2009, 07:30 AM

Was it just me or was anyone else bugged by the intentionally jittery playback from the kino? I'm sure it was meant to contribute to the mood of the episode but it really got to me.

jeepair

11-16-2009, 07:34 AM

Yes, I hated the keno playback. Messes up my HD tv. I mean Jeez, are we more advanced in video recording then the ancients.

Where did the microscope come from? Was it laying at Icarus base near the stargate? It didn't appear advanced enough for an ancient microscope.

If the ship is smart enough to refuel, why can't it dive into a planet and collect moisture the same way?

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode mainly because of ELY. "WHAT THE.... Commerical." :D

DouglasPHill

11-16-2009, 07:42 AM

I was expecting it to be a two parter.

Rob Helmerichs

11-16-2009, 07:52 AM

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode mainly because of ELY. "WHAT THE.... Commerical." :D
Yeah, if they're going to use those stupid smash-cuts to commercial, they might as well get some practical use out of them once in a while... :D

sushikitten

11-16-2009, 07:57 AM

I keep forgetting about the kinos, so I thought the stargaters were being watched from the forest by some creature--especially with the funky kino recording style.

MonsterJoe

11-16-2009, 08:16 AM

The kino cam annoyed me before the opening credits were over. Liked the episode, otherwise.

eddyj

11-16-2009, 09:00 AM

The kino cam annoyed me before the opening credits were over. Liked the episode, otherwise.
I did like the little "glitch" when the ending credits screen came up. Nice touch.

betts4

11-16-2009, 09:02 AM

I liked the episode but kept going 'wait...what...' and then not stopping to rewatch, but just going on thinking it will be explained. I will probably rewatch tomorrow night.

Maybe instead of a kino, they could have put a sign up that says "beware all who enter here".

what is kino short for? (if anything)

ehusen

11-16-2009, 10:37 AM

Was it just me or was anyone else bugged by the intentionally jittery playback from the kino? I'm sure it was meant to contribute to the mood of the episode but it really got to me.

Yup, me too. At first I thought my TV/DVR was screwing up somehow. Then I figured it out. Then I was thinking, "Okay if they do this crap through the entire episode I am canceling my SP". I did find this episode, in the end, a little better than the previous ones. But man this show is on the bubble for me...

I love Sci-Fi, and I've really enjoyed all the SG shows but this one is just grating for me. I really want to like it but most of the characters are just annoying. Ely is okay, but maybe it's just cause I'm a dorky engineer type too. At least he's got some likable qualities. And the doctor is nice standard "doctor type" character. But yeesh, the rest of them can get dumped out an airlock for all I care. Stupid, whiny, arrogant, and every other character flaw. I understand that people should be real and have some flaws but I can't stand any of them. Maybe I'm just getting old and cranky but the show is just tiring to watch.

My favorite part seems to be the ship flying through space. It's really very beautiful to watch. Might make a good screensaver as opposed to a real show.

Having said all that, I'm still watching...

windracer

11-16-2009, 10:43 AM

what is kino short for? (if anything)
Eli named them kinos based on kinescope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinescope).

I like Eli too ... he's the anti-Rodney.

dsb411

11-16-2009, 11:18 AM

Im thinking the ball things were named after the balls used in Keno. But that might be the gambler in me...

Tangent

11-16-2009, 12:36 PM

I enjoyed it, but it was a kind of familiar plot. As soon as the "current" crew started dieing I knew somebody would eventually send a kino through the glitchy gate to the past with a warning. It was nice to see them end the episode at that instead of the usual hand-holding where they then show the next loop working out in their favor.

I thought the broken up kino recording was an effective way to show what we were looking at, but I wish they'd have toned it down a bit... One thing bugged me though: Eli mentioned that the kino's memory was "full". Super advanced ancient technology and a day and a half is all they can manage to fit into it's memory? Also a basic question I can't remember an answer to if they even gave it: Why is the Destiny's stargate only capable of reaching a gate it's close to? The original series established that connecting to any gate took the same amount of power whether it was the next star system over or on the other side of the galaxy; only connecting outside the galaxy took more power. :confused:

eddyj

11-16-2009, 12:47 PM

I took "full" to mean there was stuff recorded on it, rather than just empty. I try very hard to not get picky about stuff like that, so I don't go crazy. :p

Church AV Guy

11-16-2009, 02:53 PM

Jebberwocky!

11-16-2009, 02:57 PM

I took FULL to mean that it had a day or two of planetary exploration, the trip through the gate, and then years of recording, showing Rush's body decompose. It was never turned off, and who knows how long it lay there recording until its memory was full? Lucky it doesn't start overlaying the oldest stuff with new stuff if it's left "on".

might also explain why they didn't skip to the end ;)

eddyj

11-16-2009, 03:08 PM

I like that interpretation! :D

john4200

11-16-2009, 03:20 PM

might also explain why they didn't skip to the end ;)

Only if they are morons. Skipping to the "end" means fast-forwarding until you see the kino tossed into the Stargate (or overshooting, seeing nothing happening, then rewinding until you see the kino tossed into the Stargate)

justen_m

11-16-2009, 04:28 PM

My fanboy explanation for full Kinos... The Kinos probably record much more than just visible light and audible sound. Think of them recording, by default, the entire electromagnetic spectrum from ELF radio to gamma rays. Plus sound from 1hz to 1000000hz. Plus atmospheric readings and chemical analysis. Plus active radar imaging, ground penetrating radar and sonar, etc. And the default sampling rate would need to be very high for high res sampling of gamma rays. And Eli doesn't yet know how to select what is recorded or adjust sampling rates, etc. The ancients may have had uses for these other frequencies.

sushikitten

11-16-2009, 04:39 PM

I took FULL to mean that it had a day or two of planetary exploration, the trip through the gate, and then years of recording, showing Rush's body decompose. It was never turned off, and who knows how long it lay there recording until its memory was full? Lucky it doesn't start overlaying the oldest stuff with new stuff if it's left "on".

We saw Rush's body decompose? If so, I guess I really need to go back and watch this again because there's probably more I missed.

Tangent

11-16-2009, 06:03 PM

I took FULL to mean that it had a day or two of planetary exploration, the trip through the gate, and then years of recording, showing Rush's body decompose. It was never turned off, and who knows how long it lay there recording until its memory was full? Lucky it doesn't start overlaying the oldest stuff with new stuff if it's left "on".

Ooh, good point! I completely forgot that it hadn't just been sent back shut off or even just been there a day or two; it had been long enough for Rush to be left a skeleton...

jboehm

11-16-2009, 06:25 PM

love the series. Hate the kino cam!

lordargent

11-16-2009, 06:32 PM

Ooh, good point! I completely forgot that it hadn't just been sent back shut off or even just been there a day or two; it had been long enough for Rush to be left a skeleton...

My only question is, what killed Rush?

He didn't seem to have made it very far from the stargate, so I'm guessing that going through the gate turned out to be fatal since he seems to have dropped dead just past the gate.

busyba

11-16-2009, 07:34 PM

My only question is, what killed Rush?

He didn't seem to have made it very far from the stargate, so I'm guessing that going through the gate turned out to be fatal since he seems to have dropped dead just past the gate.

Or he arrived at night and was attacked by the critters right by the gate.

Tangent

11-16-2009, 07:37 PM

I'd like to think he was just quickly found by one of those squid-eel thingies. Having the trip itself be fatal would be inconsistent since using a solar flare gate to time travel has been safely used before and even referenced in this episode.

Marnok

11-16-2009, 09:17 PM

SteveInNC

11-17-2009, 01:33 AM

Sigh...

Just a few episodes in and the writers are already resorting to a time-travel related storyline. They must have watched too many SNG epsisodes.

Imagination, dead on television just as in the movies....

I generally hate time travel episodes too, although at least in this case, they don't have control over the mechanism, so it can't easily become a fall-back plot device.

I also had a problem with the "eat random alien fruit/vegetable, see if you croak immediately" as a test for viable food sources. I'd like to see some more progress be made in understanding the ship's systems so that they could find something like a good/bad food detector (tricorder equivalent) and/or water purifier. I would think that these would be basic functions of an interstellar ship. They don't necessarily need to find out everything, like the navigation systems, since that would destroy the series' plot thesis.

Long ago, there was a TV series (Police Story?) where it was not unusual to kill off a major character. The best thing about this was that you didn't know if they'd really die when situations such as the above occurred in a given episode. It greatly intensified the suspense.

ADent

11-17-2009, 04:19 AM

OK.

But as soon as Chloe died, knew there would be a reset involving the gate and time travel (naming the episode Time was a hint).

The staticy gate lasted 12+ hours? IIRC in the past these were short events, not days.

classicX

11-17-2009, 11:44 AM

then why did Destiny stop at this planet? there is always a reason...

The same reason the ship stopped the previous two times - Rush "told" the ship that they needed food. (water or something for the air scrubbers, water for the crew, and now food.)

When we first saw them, they were gathering what looked like fruits and veggies.

So when will the crew start realizing that EVERY stop happens for a reason. Let's start a pool.

I don't think the ship stopped on its own this time, as stated above.

The staticy gate lasted 12+ hours? IIRC in the past these were short events, not days.

Every star is different. A solar flare can be short or it can last a very long time, depending on the amount of material ejected from the star. it's possible that a supermassive star or black hole moving through the galaxy just happened to get close to the path of the wormhole and had enough gravity to both route the wormhole back around to the same stargate and dilate time enough that the other end stopped moving forward in time. This is how I prefer to think about it.

classicX

11-17-2009, 11:52 AM

Also a basic question I can't remember an answer to if they even gave it: Why is the Destiny's stargate only capable of reaching a gate it's close to? The original series established that connecting to any gate took the same amount of power whether it was the next star system over or on the other side of the galaxy; only connecting outside the galaxy took more power. :confused:

We don't know this for sure, but the stargates they are using are older and ostensibly less advanced than the ones in the original series, which were less advanced than the ones in Atlantis. It make be that the power requirements were different for these older gates; the steam thing that happens on the ship every time a wormhole is closed makes me think this is the case, though.

Edit: Oh, and I was only like 10% right about this episode (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7549535#post7549535). Better than 0%, eh?

kemajor

11-17-2009, 01:28 PM

You could punch holes in just about every episode in the entire Stargate franchise if you want to.

I challenge you to poke holes in the Stargate SG-1 episode: "200" :)

- K

mrdbdigital

11-17-2009, 07:15 PM

We don't know this for sure, but the stargates they are using are older and ostensibly less advanced than the ones in the original series, which were less advanced than the ones in Atlantis. It make be that the power requirements were different for these older gates; the steam thing that happens on the ship every time a wormhole is closed makes me think this is the case, though.

Why do you think these stargates are older? We don't know the timeline regarding when the ancients sent out the ships that planted these stargates in relation to the ones in our galaxy, do we? We do know that the ones in the Pegasus galaxy were built after the ones in our galaxy from Stargate: Atlantis.

If anything, they look more "modern" and sophisticated than the either of the other types.

busyba

11-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Why do you think these stargates are older? We don't know the timeline regarding when the ancients sent out the ships that planted these stargates in relation to the ones in our galaxy, do we? We do know that the ones in the Pegasus galaxy were built after the ones in our galaxy from Stargate: Atlantis.

If anything, they look more "modern" and sophisticated than the either of the other types.

The galaxy where Destiny is in now is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy far away from our galaxy, the Ori galaxy and the Pegasus galaxy. These three galaxies are the general neighborhood of the ancients. If Destiny is where it is now, it had to have left the general area of these closer 3 galaxies a loooong time ago.

Sirius Black

11-17-2009, 08:29 PM

Basic vocabulary question, who came up with the name 'kino' for the floating recording device? Seems rather arbitrary. Did they read something in the ship's computer that called this device a 'kino'? When did that happen?

At first the show's lack of going to planets was refreshing but now I'm just wishing for a Renaissance faire village. Maybe don't make the inhabitants human. Give them Vulcan ears or something... but I really miss that structure sometimes. Still going to watch. Still waiting for them to fix the ship so they can quit complaining about how every system is broken. If they fix the ship, it won't get them home any faster.

Weezoh

11-17-2009, 08:44 PM

Basic vocabulary question, who came up with the name 'kino' for the floating recording device? Seems rather arbitrary. Did they read something in the ship's computer that called this device a 'kino'? When did that happen?

In the episode where Eli discovered them he named them that; and it seemed to me to be presented that it was some sort of reference -- but I didn't recognize it as such and just let it go.

mrdbdigital

11-18-2009, 12:09 AM

The galaxy where Destiny is in now is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy far away from our galaxy, the Ori galaxy and the Pegasus galaxy. These three galaxies are the general neighborhood of the ancients. If Destiny is where it is now, it had to have left the general area of these closer 3 galaxies a loooong time ago.

Yes, and we know the ancients had stargates before they launched those ships. and the ships had so far to go, it stands to reason that the gates the ship manufactured and seeded way, way, far away are no older than the original stargates.

There's no way to figure this out unless they tell us when the ancients came to our galaxy, when they invented FTL drive, and when they invented hyperdrive and when they launched the ships in relation to those times. This may be more accurately revealed later. We also don't know the relative speed difference between the FTL dirve and the hyperdrive, or how long it took those FTL ships to get way out there.

Rosincrans

11-18-2009, 12:53 AM

In the episode where Eli discovered them he named them that; and it seemed to me to be presented that it was some sort of reference -- but I didn't recognize it as such and just let it go.

Kino is a GTK+-based non-linear digital video editor. It is distributed as free software. Its vision is: "Easy and reliable DV editing for the Linux desktop with export to many usable formats." The program supports many basic video editing and assembling tasks.

Seems fitting

appleye1

11-18-2009, 01:16 AM

Was it just me or was anyone else bugged by the intentionally jittery playback from the kino? I'm sure it was meant to contribute to the mood of the episode but it really got to me.It drove me nuts. But here's the thing - I thought it was my DVR glitching, but then I decided it was the Kino. And then guess what - I find out later that my DVR was glitching! Watching some other shows I noticed bad pixelization and audio-dropouts. Time to pop in a new hard drive.

So not only did I have to endure the fictional glitching, I had to get an extra dose of real glitching too! Suffice it to say, I came away from this episode not understanding a bit of it. I'll have to rewatch it on the net and see if I can figure it out.

Tangent

11-18-2009, 11:26 AM

Basic vocabulary question, who came up with the name 'kino' for the floating recording device? Seems rather arbitrary. Did they read something in the ship's computer that called this device a 'kino'? When did that happen?. ...

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Kino - "...named by Eli Wallace after the Russian "Kino-Pravda" meaning "film truth""

dcheesi

11-18-2009, 11:43 AM

Okay, here's a little time traveling brain teaser for you all: when the crew reaches the planet in the new, third timeline ("after" the end of the show), do they find one or two kinos waiting for them? :)

Ment

11-18-2009, 03:47 PM

Basic vocabulary question, who came up with the name 'kino' for the floating recording device? Seems rather arbitrary. Did they read something in the ship's computer that called this device a 'kino'? When did that happen?

I believe it was because Eli thinks the 'kino' image reminds him of a Kinescope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinescope

mostman

11-18-2009, 04:05 PM

I don't buy the whole 'this time they stopped on their own, the ship didn't do it' bit.

So I'm supposed to believe that they just HAPPENED to land on a planet that had the cure they needed. BS.

Also - did anyone think it would have been cool if they made it so that the creatures were actually evolved versions of the microbes in the water? So Rush jumps WAY back in time, dies from the microbe disease, then the bugs leave his body and over millions of years evolve into the squid. And thats why squid blood would cure the microbe disease. I like that better.

Unbeliever

11-18-2009, 04:09 PM

I believe Kino is Russian for "cinema". кино

--Carlos V.

classicX

11-18-2009, 04:19 PM

Yes, and we know the ancients had stargates before they launched those ships. and the ships had so far to go, it stands to reason that the gates the ship manufactured and seeded way, way, far away are no older than the original stargates.

There's no way to figure this out unless they tell us when the ancients came to our galaxy, when they invented FTL drive, and when they invented hyperdrive and when they launched the ships in relation to those times. This may be more accurately revealed later. We also don't know the relative speed difference between the FTL dirve and the hyperdrive, or how long it took those FTL ships to get way out there.

It doesn't matter when they came to our galaxy, one can reason that they occupied Earth before sending out the Destiny, given that the origin point for the 9-chevron address that dials the ship must always be Earth.

It also stands to reason that the Destiny would have been equipped with the latest technology available at its launch.

Here is where we must make an informed guess: remaining on Earth (and given Earth's importance), would they have updated their gate technology as they made advanced, or left the gate "as-is?"

Seeing as how Atlantis had newer gates (and all gates in the Pegasus galaxy were the new version), you would think that they constantly update all gates in whatever region they occupy. If they had these newer gates before leaving Earth in Atlantis, it would be prudent to update the gate before leaving. They did not.

I believe this is the best evidence we're going to get outside of a direct explanation on the show.

Secondly, the gate on Destiny "looks" older than the one on Earth. The producers wouldn't have designed them that way if they weren't meant to seem older.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Tangent

11-18-2009, 05:22 PM

Aside from looking cooler, was there any actual improvement with the Pegasus gates vs Milky Way gates? Atlantis had the built-in shield, but I think that had more to do with the city than the gate itself...

Sherminator

11-18-2009, 05:42 PM

The Pegasus gates didn't have any externally rotating parts like the Milky Way & Destiny gates, when they dialed all we saw were lights cascading around the gate until it stopped at a chevron.

marrone

11-19-2009, 03:24 PM

The kino cam annoyed me before the opening credits were over. Liked the episode, otherwise.
I was watching it online and I thought the video was having issues. I actually reloaded it a couple times.

It seems in this series they are trying obvious things. (someone said it is a ship of fools...I don't really agree)

Previously, they tried powering the gate with energy while Destiny scooped up energy (which they forced by firing all weapons), I thought that was ingenious.

And now they used the kino to send a very straightforward message to themselves. No fluff...just a quick background, then explicit directions.

This series definitely takes itself more seriously than the other ones. I think I still like Atlantis better, but this is cool too.

-Mike

Stormspace

11-19-2009, 03:53 PM

I was watching it online and I thought the video was having issues. I actually reloaded it a couple times.

It seems in this series they are trying obvious things. (someone said it is a ship of fools...I don't really agree)

Previously, they tried powering the gate with energy while Destiny scooped up energy (which they forced by firing all weapons), I thought that was ingenious.

And now they used the kino to send a very straightforward message to themselves. No fluff...just a quick background, then explicit directions.

This series definitely takes itself more seriously than the other ones. I think I still like Atlantis better, but this is cool too.

-Mike

I'd like to see them explore the ship more, but I think that is coming.

Tangent

11-19-2009, 08:52 PM

The Pegasus gates didn't have any externally rotating parts like the Milky Way & Destiny gates, when they dialed all we saw were lights cascading around the gate until it stopped at a chevron.

Right, which looks cooler, but AFAIK they still had the usual 38 minute limit to stay open, still needed huge power boost to dial out of the galaxy etc... I don't think they even completed dialing sequences any faster. The only practical upgrade was the space gates, but the intergalactic gate-bridge proved that Milky Way gates could do that too. There wasn't even any comments about the Pegasus gates in the bridge not needing to be as close together as the MW gates either...

Stormspace

11-20-2009, 02:59 PM

Right, which looks cooler, but AFAIK they still had the usual 38 minute limit to stay open, still needed huge power boost to dial out of the galaxy etc... I don't think they even completed dialing sequences any faster. The only practical upgrade was the space gates, but the intergalactic gate-bridge proved that Milky Way gates could do that too. There wasn't even any comments about the Pegasus gates in the bridge not needing to be as close together as the MW gates either...

Rodney was able to program something he called a macro that auto dialed each gate in sequence with a stop in the middle for the intergalactic changeover. We never saw how quickly the macro ran however so we don't know if the Milky Way gates dial any faster using that program. The pegasus gates on the other hand dial very quickly.

I'd think that based on the ancient timeline that the destiny and her gates predated the pegasus gates. I also find it interesting that the destiny's gate has some sort of cooling mechanism while the planetary ones do not.

I'd like to think it's like Niven's stepping disks. When moving from one to another each transport mechanism can only offset so much inertia. So, what we are seeing on the destiny is the gate cooling after the inertia differential is bled off. Otherwise transporting onto or off the destiny while at FTL would cause the people to burn up.

ronsch

11-20-2009, 03:21 PM

I'd like to think it's like Niven's stepping disks. When moving from one to another each transport mechanism can only offset so much inertia. So, what we are seeing on the destiny is the gate cooling after the inertia differential is bled off. Otherwise transporting onto or off the destiny while at FTL would cause the people to burn up.

Or they just thought that it would be a cool special effect. :D

Stormspace

11-20-2009, 04:38 PM

Or they just thought that it would be a cool special effect. :D

:up:

Tangent

11-20-2009, 05:35 PM

But they always drop out of FTL when they use the gate...

I hope they at some point explain what the steam blast after the gate shuts down is for and don't just leave it at "it looked cool".

I agree that the Destiny came before the Pegasus galaxy was colonized. The ancients fled the Milky Way for Pegasus in Atlantis which of course has hyperdrive technology which the Destiny predates. It's hard to say if the MW style gates came before or after the Destiny gates... Based on style I'd say it went MW gates, Destiny gates, then Pegasus gates. The MW gates are fully mechanical looking, Pegasus gates look fully "digital", and Destiny gates fall in between by moving but also lighting up the symbols...