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kdelande

11-09-2009, 01:19 AM

One of the best hours of TV I've ever seen. My heart was pounding the whole hour. All the drama behind the coup, with Lane unsurprisingly joining along but very enjoyable to hear the enthusiasm behind his actions to stick it to his former bosses. And a fine way to bring Joan back into the fold. I image Sal won't be long to follow next season as they start up an Art department.

And the divorce drama with the Drapers was just absolutely heartwrenching.

Can't wait for Summer 2010 when it comes back, it seems like just a few weeks ago this season started.

KD

pex

11-09-2009, 01:21 AM

Wow.

Someone else can start the analysis. I'm still trying to figure out whether Don took his shoes off when he barged in and disturbed Bert Cooper's nap.

spikedavis

11-09-2009, 01:28 AM

tem

11-09-2009, 02:22 AM

all I have to say is ....

JOANIE'S BACK IN TOWN !!!

I knew that's who Roger was gonna call. Who ya gonna call ? Mrs. Harris !!

Amazing, amazing episode.

Gotta hand it to Connie -- even in his dickitude, he helped push Don go out on his own and make something on his own. SCDP will be all kinds of awesome with the Scooby Gang back together.

And I had a major squeal of delight when Lane told Sinjin "Happy Christmas !". I was afraid for a moment that instead of getting fired, he'd get shipped of to Delhi as a file clerk. Sinjin's ego got the best of him.

Interesting parallel w/ Don's father telling his co-op to f off and then getting kicked in the head w/ Don having to make amends w/ all the people he fell out with in the last year -- Peggy, Pete, Roger. The Redemption of Don has begun.

Who knows what's happen w/ Betty. I can't believe that she just ran off to Reno for 6 weeks leaving the 2 kids behind. I get the feeling that next season is gonna be about DD living the life that he always thought he should ---- making it on his own, living in the city. I wonder if he's gonna call the Teacher ?

sooperkool

11-09-2009, 02:23 AM

Isn't McCann-Erickson, Duck's firm? If so he's going to be sick that Don pulled this off. You know he wants to get back at Don.

tem

11-09-2009, 03:04 AM

oh .. and how awesome was Trudy ? "Peter ... may I speak with you for a moment ?" and then bringing sandwiches for everyone.

and no ... Duck works for someone else. Something like "Gray".

Highspeedhomer

11-09-2009, 03:18 AM

Wow.

Someone else can start the analysis. I'm still trying to figure out whether Don took his shoes off when he barged in and disturbed Bert Cooper's nap.

Funny, cause I was wondering the same thing.....

Peter000

11-09-2009, 03:25 AM

I'm amazed Don didn't keel over with a heart attack over those few days. A divorce and starting his own firm all at the same time? That's killer in the stressor department.

Bob Coxner

11-09-2009, 09:30 AM

Sepinwall's deconstruct: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/11/mad_men_shut_the_door_have_a_s.html

vman41

11-09-2009, 09:34 AM

Don's personal power of persuasion was needed to bring everyone on board (except Joan) to the new company, but he wasn't able to keep his family together.

TiVo'Brien

11-09-2009, 09:44 AM

I still can't believe Weiner went through with the divorce. That almost never happens in TV land. I feel like I'm Bobby Draper - I can't believe my parents are really splitting up. :eek: :( Anyone else notice Betty's little Mona Lisa smile after Henry tells Betty he'll take care of her and he doesn't want Betty to owe Don anything? And speaking of smiles, does Don smile a little when he walks back out to the living room of the hotel room after telling Betty he won't contest the divorce? Despite Don's protestations, this really is the right thing for him. Being the doting husband and father are society's expectations for Don Draper, but they really don't work for Dick Whitman. I liked that Don went back to the Roosevelt, the same hotel as last time when Betty kicked him out.

Poor Paul got left behind at Sterling Cooper, but I loved it when Joan shows up to save the day. Fabulous! :up::) (Has she lost weight?) I was hoping Sal would be hired, too, but needing to keep the Lucky Strike account kills that possibility. :( I was betting Pete's need to come up with eight million in accounts would drive him back to Trudy's father and the Clearasil account. Sure enough! :) Like the chip 'n dip, I like how the show keeps Pete and his trusty rifle together like Linus and his security blanket.

I need someone to translate for me when it comes to Don's cryptic plea to Peggy in her apartment. There was more than meets the ear to his plea, but I seem to have misplaced my decoder ring. Was he talking about the pregnancy?

I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of Conrad Hilton. For a fledgling agency like SCDP, they're going to need more accounts. Maybe then Roger can manage Connie properly instead of Don?

Loved Roger's line, "If this is a reading of your will, can I have the Cadillac?"

Great episode. Looking forward to season four!

Can we please get the thread title fixed?

Bob Coxner

11-09-2009, 09:54 AM

Just before Sal was fired, someone (Roger?) said if they had known about the problem they could have sent Sal away whenever Lucky Strike came around. That would still seem to be the answer, although it might be too risky for a new firm.

gossamer88

11-09-2009, 10:03 AM

spikedavis

11-09-2009, 10:55 AM

Loved the episode but cannot understand two adults (Betty and Henry) acting like a couple of teenagers. Also, would Pryce really have more loyalty than to his British counterparts?

Loved Peggy in this episode. And I'm assuming Sal will get his job back.

Lane talked to his wide about how unhappy he was with The Brits and how much he loved working at Strrling Cooper. They pushed him around like he was a pawn.

TheDewAddict

11-09-2009, 11:02 AM

Lane talked to his wide about how unhappy he was with The Brits and how much he loved working at Strrling Cooper. They pushed him around like he was a pawn.

It was obvious from his earlier call to Sinjin that while Lane feels loyalty to PPL, they have no loyalty towards him. I think Sinjin told him he'll have to prove himself for the new owners, but they'll "put in a good word." Lane has been a loyal soldier, and his bosses show him nothing, so it's not surprising he'd take Don's offer and run with it. I loved how Lane handled the news of his firing "Very good! Happy Christmas!"

Cainebj

11-09-2009, 11:11 AM

This is truly how a season finale should be done.

I think my favorite moment was Don and Betty in the bedroom - 'YOU WHORE!' - delicious...

Can someone fix the header? It was 11/8 not 18 and the title of the episode would be nice also :)

Bob Coxner

11-09-2009, 12:43 PM

Here's the Slate deconstruct: http://www.slate.com/id/2225274/entry/2235020/

pex

11-09-2009, 12:44 PM

Just watched the episode again. It's hard to believe that something could be better than this episode: the second viewing!

I love the subtle signals flashed when each conspirator makes the decision to join the new agency:

"So you do want to be in advertising after all." (Roger decides he's "in.")
"I should think it would be worth more than (a partnership)." (Don smiles, realizing Pryce is in, and responds "So we're negotiating?")
"I don't think you 'get' conditions." (Roger smiles, realizing that Peter is in.)
"Can't we just take everything?" (Cooper smiles, realizing that the previously dumbstruck Harry just said "we.")
Harry flashes a smile as he sees Peggy coming in with Don, realizing that Peggy is "in."

Other enjoyable moments are when a lightbulb goes on in someone's head: Bert Cooper's expression when Don says "Well, just fire us all" to Price. Paul Kinsey's expression after Cosgrove announces that Pete made a run at John Deere, just before he barges into Peggy's office. Wonderful!

pex

11-09-2009, 12:49 PM

Also, I've enjoyed Pryce's transition from an amorphous British blob, into a complex character. He's turned into one of my favorite characters!

Could anyone make out the reason why Hilton felt he had to leave Sterling Cooper? I couldn't figure out what the conflict was.

kar74

11-09-2009, 12:54 PM

What a great episode! I can't believe that Don went to Betty about the "other man." I thought, for sure, she would've tried to peg him for cheating on her (not sure how) but to have the tables turned? Wow.

I can't wait for the next season...is it summer 2010 yet? :)

TiVo'Brien

11-09-2009, 01:06 PM

"I don't think you 'get' conditions." (Roger smiles, realizing that Peter is in.)

I got a chuckle at how Pete was able to whip out his account folders, fresh from his interview with Ogilvy. "I'm not really sick" then Roger and Don put 2 and 2 together as to where Pete has been. :)

Trudy: "Oh Peter, can I talk to you a minute?" :p

spikedavis

11-09-2009, 01:12 PM

Andy W

11-09-2009, 03:04 PM

What an amazing episode! Joan's back, Sterling Cooper is free from the Brits, Peggy is on board, I am looking forward to next season. I don't know what I'm going to do until Summer 2010, I guess I'll just have to re-watch the old seasons!

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Shakhari

11-09-2009, 03:40 PM

I wonder if Peggy and Harry got the same deal Pete did.

brianric

11-09-2009, 07:17 PM

Best ever? Like for Mad Men? Or best in drama in the past ten years?

Both!

ElJay

11-09-2009, 07:18 PM

What a great hour of television. Pryce getting fired really cracked me up as did Don kicking down the door of the art department. I expected for a second Don was going to call up Sal and see if he still had a key.

I wonder if we'll see Hilton again. I guess Don would not want his business.

cheesesteak

11-09-2009, 07:56 PM

I liked how the kids knew something was up when they got called into the living room.

Don called Betty a whore when he's the whoriest whore who ever whored. Damn.

I knew Pryce was going to join the gang. I saw one that coming a mile away. I expected him to say something really nasty to his manservant, though.

There's no way in the world that Henry Francis turns out to be the angelic, knight in shining armor he seems.

IJustLikeTivo

11-09-2009, 08:27 PM

There's no way in the world that Henry Francis turns out to be the angelic, knight in shining armor he seems.

Yep, I think he's probably married but separated and using Betty as an affair. He says just what she wants to hear and not a wrong move. Oh yes, he's clearly up to no good.

Regina

11-09-2009, 08:50 PM

Roger: Peggy, can you get me some coffee?

Peggy: No. :D:up::up:

Gunnyman

11-09-2009, 11:22 PM

Roger: Peggy, can you get me some coffee?

Peggy: No. :D:up::up:

Best moment of the episode for me. Go Peggy go.

pex

11-10-2009, 08:03 AM

cheesesteak

11-10-2009, 08:32 AM

I got a kick out of the old Canada Dry commercials.

mwhip

11-10-2009, 09:07 AM

Great episode. I can understand them working out of the hotel for one day but why not just get a small office on that Monday? It is NYC there are a ton of them. Did Betty just leave the Bobby and Sally for 6 weeks while she and her new boyfriend go to Reno?

Going to be interesting next year..

What happens with Joan when her husband is done with basic?
Can Peggy and Pete work that close together?
Can Trudy and Pete keep up the "loving couple" bit?
Will Don pursue more of his past now that it is in the open?
How will Pryce's wife react to all this?

Bierboy

11-10-2009, 09:49 AM

Best ever.

This...and more....how they do it, I'll never know. I was on the edge of my seat till the very end....amazing. :up: :up: :up:

Bierboy

11-10-2009, 09:54 AM

...I think my favorite moment was Don and Betty in the bedroom - 'YOU WHORE!'...

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....

Oh, and I liked the subtle use of instrumental music during different portions of the ep...something I don't remember them doing before.

jr461

11-10-2009, 10:00 AM

Don called Betty a whore when he's the whoriest whore who ever whored. Damn.

The fact that we actually feel a little bad for Don is a testiment to the writing on this show. He is truly the whore of whores, keeping major secrets from his wife and yet we feel bad for him! As much as Betty is a despicable parent, she has been the one jerked around by Don all along. It's the kids you really feel for as that scene was really heart-wrenching! That house has a much warmth as a cube of ice!

IJustLikeTivo

11-10-2009, 10:20 AM

Does anyone know how ad agencies work? $30M sounds like a lot of money flowing through a firm with 7 employees, especially considering we are talking about 1960 dollars. I assume the firms buying the ads just write a check to the agency, and the agency pays for the print/television/radio placement? Does the ad agency just take a percentage? Are the "jobs" that Joan was referring to individual ad buys?

I wondered about that too. My guess is that the $30 million represents the gross ad buy. The agency must get some portion of that. Clearly, $30mill is way more than 8 people earn even if 5 (6,7 depending on what deal Peggy and Harry made ) are partners.

It will be great next year to see them rebuild and watch Joan rule the roost while the ad folks do the copy.

BTW, I assume Sal will be back and a few more people will be poached once they get some cash flow.

BTW, best hour of TV since Studio 60 went off the air.

chsscgas

11-10-2009, 10:33 AM

I know Henry said he would take care of Betty. But do you think she has in the back of her mind that she will have money coming from her dad's estate?

cheesesteak

11-10-2009, 11:19 AM

Trudy may actually get some now that Pete's happy.

5thcrewman

11-10-2009, 11:28 AM

When the show comes back I hope they do the '64 World's Fair.
What a huge advertising gig that was!!

DevdogAZ

11-10-2009, 11:49 AM

So was Betty flying to Reno to just get divorced-or is she going to live there for 6 weeks to establish residency? Because if so leaving those poor kids at the house with Carla is just insane.

Those poor kids....
I couldn't believe this. Betty's going to Reno for six weeks, Don's staying in a hotel, and the kids are being watched by Carla? Why didn't she just have Don stay with the kids while she was gone? He'd already said he wasn't going to fight her, and the kids could definitely benefit from the extra time with Don. I guess they were trying to point out how ugly and illogical divorce can be, even when it's "clean."
Could anyone make out the reason why Hilton felt he had to leave Sterling Cooper? I couldn't figure out what the conflict was.
I got the sense that Hilton wanted to keep the agency for his NY properties separate from the agency for his other properties, but that once McCann purchased PPL (and SC), they would then be at the same firm, so that Hilton would have to go find another firm to do the work for the NY properties.
The fact that we actually feel a little bad for Don is a testiment to the writing on this show. He is truly the whore of whores, keeping major secrets from his wife and yet we feel bad for him! As much as Betty is a despicable parent, she has been the one jerked around by Don all along. It's the kids you really feel for as that scene was really heart-wrenching! That house has a much warmth as a cube of ice!
I think the irony of that situation sums up the show. Don had never truly committed to the marriage until he spilled his guts to Betty. Ever since then, he's been the model husband. But at the same time, that was the straw that broke the camel's back and Betty checked out of the marriage. They're like two ships passing in the night.

I'm excited to see where this new agency goes. I wonder if they wanted to pare down the cast a little and this was their way of getting rid of some of the dead weight, or if those people will eventually be back.

Bierboy

11-10-2009, 11:56 AM

The fact that we actually feel a little bad for Don is a testiment to the writing on this show....

Really? Does ANYONE here feel sorry for Don? Because I certainly don't...

gamndbndr

11-10-2009, 12:36 PM

Standard agency commission is 15%, so they would be netting $4.5 million annually to pay personnel costs, overhead, etc.

pex

11-10-2009, 01:13 PM

She's not going there for six weeks, she's going there to establish residency. Presumably she'll be back in NY in a day or so once she gets her Nevada driver's' license, lease, registers to vote, etc.

I couldn't believe this. Betty's going to Reno for six weeks, Don's staying in a hotel, and the kids are being watched by Carla? Why didn't she just have Don stay with the kids while she was gone?

cheerdude

11-10-2009, 01:15 PM

Pex - She needs to be in Reno for 6 weeks to establish residency.

Bierboy

11-10-2009, 01:20 PM

Pex - She needs to be in Reno for 6 weeks to establish residency.

That's what I recall the lawyer saying (without replaying to make sure)...

pex

11-10-2009, 01:20 PM

That's what I was looking for.

Perhaps I overthink things, but SCDP just took over half of Sterling Cooper's accounts. Sterling Cooper has dozens if not hundreds of employees. How do they expect to service the accounts for any length of time with only eight employees? Or perhaps the eight employees were merely the "heist" gang. It seems as if they would have to ramp up almost immediately.

Standard agency commission is 15%, so they would be netting $4.5 million annually to pay personnel costs, overhead, etc.

pex

11-10-2009, 01:21 PM

No, she needs to "establish residency" for six weeks. The judge isn't going to be knocking on her door every evening to see if she is actually there.

Pex - She needs to be in Reno for 6 weeks to establish residency.

flatcurve

11-10-2009, 02:06 PM

I wonder if they wanted to pare down the cast a little and this was their way of getting rid of some of the dead weight, or if those people will eventually be back.

Well I hope at least some of them will be back. Michael Gladis (Kinsey) is a good friend of my sister-in-law, and was actually a groomsman at her wedding. He had just finished production on the first season at the time, and was really excited about the show. I hope he's still in it.

IJustLikeTivo

11-10-2009, 02:38 PM

No, she needs to "establish residency" for six weeks. The judge isn't going to be knocking on her door every evening to see if she is actually there.

"The State of Nevada has a residency requirement for filing a Nevada divorce. For Nevada divorce law go to NRS 125.020. If you are currently serving in the military and your military home state (state of record) is Nevada, you may file for an annulment or divorce in Nevada even if now residing in another state. Otherwise, you must be a resident of Nevada by living here for six consecutive weeks and remaining here at least until your divorce in final. "

This was the law then and now for residency in Nevada.

DevdogAZ

11-10-2009, 03:15 PM

Pex, just an FYI: It makes reading your posts much easier if you'll post your reply after the quote, not before it.

pex

11-10-2009, 03:36 PM

" Otherwise, you must be a resident of Nevada by living here for six consecutive weeks and remaining here at least until your divorce in final. " This was the law then and now for residency in Nevada.

Okay, this is now officially silly. I understand the law. All I am saying is that "living in Nevada" part is impossible to enforce. Henry and Betty will fly to Nevada to obtain whatever documentation the state wants (lease, license, voter registration, etc), then fly back to New York. Six weeks later they'll be back in Nevada again. The state of Nevada isn't going to be sending an investigator over to the apartment to see if they are there every day.

(Sorry about the quoting--most of the forums I visit prefer the quote after the message. I'm infinitely flexible.)

DeDondeEs

11-10-2009, 05:50 PM

I'm glad they finally picked up on the Sterling-Cooper aspect of the show more. If I want to see divorces and adultry, i'll watch Days of Our Lives...

IJustLikeTivo

11-10-2009, 11:15 PM

Okay, this is now officially silly. I understand the law. All I am saying is that "living in Nevada" part is impossible to enforce. Henry and Betty will fly to Nevada to obtain whatever documentation the state wants (lease, license, voter registration, etc), then fly back to New York. Six weeks later they'll be back in Nevada again. The state of Nevada isn't going to be sending an investigator over to the apartment to see if they are there every day.

(Sorry about the quoting--most of the forums I visit prefer the quote after the message. I'm infinitely flexible.)

So, it's officially silly cause we don't agree? I bet the other forums like that argument as much as I do. :rolleyes:

The law is the law. It requires residence. Not visitation. Can you cheat, sure. But why would you and lose what you wanted?

pex

11-11-2009, 12:53 AM

The law is the law. It requires residence. Not visitation. Can you cheat, sure. But why would you and lose what you wanted?

Okay, okay, apparently you've never obtained a Nevada divorce. And when you do, I applaud the fact that you will plant your butt in a furnished Reno apartment for six weeks because it is "the law." :rolleyes: I wonder what percentage of divorce candidates actually stuck around for six weeks during the Reno divorce heyday.

Anyhow, this is all a serious distraction from the greatest development of this "best of the best" series finale: Lane Pryce is here to stay!

Jonathan_S

11-12-2009, 12:05 PM

It's the kids you really feel for as that scene was really heart-wrenching! That house has a much warmth as a cube of ice!Yeah. That scene was painful. For a moment I though it looked like Betty was going to rethink the whole divorce now that the impact on the kids became real to her. But apparently not.

Also, I loved when Sally turned on her and (rightly) accused her of "making Daddy go away".

(Also, I didn't go back and check, but are we sure Betty was flying? I got the impression of a train, not an airplane from that shot)

Bryanmc

11-12-2009, 12:15 PM

Really? Does ANYONE here feel sorry for Don? Because I certainly don't...
Not at all, and frankly I get a little sick of watching his character. But that could be part of the point.
I'm glad they finally picked up on the Sterling-Cooper aspect of the show more. If I want to see divorces and adultry, i'll watch Days of Our Lives...

This has always been the part of the show that's interested me the most, I missed that from the last season. Hopefully we'll be back in the 60s Ad Agency swing of things for season 4.

Gunnyman

11-12-2009, 12:30 PM

Does anybody feel like me and like Dick Whitman better than Don Draper? The scenes last season with Dick visiting the real Mrs. Draper in California showed Dick to be a likable guy.

DreadPirateRob

11-17-2009, 01:36 PM

What a fantastic episode. My wife and I were almost speechless when it ended. So many great moments and lines (My favorite was Pryce after taking the call from the apoplectic St. John and getting canned: "Very good. Happy Christmas!") and the possibilities going forward are endless.

I'm really curious to see how far forward in time the jump from S3 to S4 is going to be. Will we see a fully functional SCDP when the new season starts, or will they still be the struggling startup?

And yes, I feel bad for Don. Sometimes. (Though not when he's hypocritically calling Betts a whore.)

Bierboy

11-17-2009, 01:39 PM

I just picked up the Blu-ray discs of Seasons 1 & 2 so my wife can catch up on this and I can enjoy them all over again. We'll settle in during a cold, snowy weekend this winter and pig out on Mad Men...

Magnolia88

11-17-2009, 06:42 PM

Wow.

I am way behind, but I finally caught up and this episode was fantastic. I can't believe Betty is going through with the divorce . . . but of course, it ain't over til it's over. I get the feeling that she has Henry colored glasses, but she barely knows the man and she might figure out that he's not what he seems. (Not a spoiler, just a guess b/c that "I want to marry you" seemed to come out of nowhere.)

When Don called Betty a whore I had to stop the Tivo to scream at him. I wanted Betty to yell at him so I had to do it for her. What a !@#$ hypocrite. He's such a tool. But so much fun to watch. Not many shows make me want to stop the Tivo to yell back at the characters. :p

DreadPirateRob

11-17-2009, 06:58 PM

I can't believe Betty is going through with the divorce . . . but of course, it ain't over til it's over. I get the feeling that she has Henry colored glasses, but she barely knows the man and she might figure out that he's not what he seems. (Not a spoiler, just a guess b/c that "I want to marry you" seemed to come out of nowhere.)

I, too, suspect that the divorce ain't quite a done deal. As you rightly point out - Betty doesn't even know Henry, and I think there's something off (and creepy) about him. He's all too eager to have her be completely and totally reliant on him, so if she is dissatisfied with her life with Don, how will this be any better? Granted, Betty loves to be taken care of, and he probably fills her daddy-issues needs right now, but I think it's going to end badly for her and he's going to turn out to be not a nice guy. Plus, even if he is, and he's completely on the up-and-up, does he really want to be the dad to 3 young kids after having raised a daughter already? How long until that gets old, especially when Betty is such a terrible and disinterested mother?

pex

11-18-2009, 11:04 AM

As you rightly point out - Betty doesn't even know Henry, and I think there's something off (and creepy) about him. He's all too eager to have her be completely and totally reliant on him, so if she is dissatisfied with her life with Don, how will this be any better?

Henry reminds me of George Sibley, the paranoid nut geologist Ruth Fisher married in Six Feet Under after a short courtship. I suppose it's the vague physical resemblance. We all know how that turned out. I wonder how many ex wives Henry has....

kaszeta

11-23-2009, 04:26 PM

Finally managed to get caught up and watched this. Great episode.

A number of random comments:

1. If this is at all representative of the 1960s legal climate... I'm surprised that they could get away with what they did. In today's climate, the lawsuits, restraining orders, and even criminal charges would be flying about what the new CSDP partners did (creating a new firm with a similar name, sending out continuity of service notices, outright theft of

2. I'm surprised the contracts that the partners had didn't have CNCs that were still in force even if fired.

3. Like a few other posters, I'm a little interested in figuring out the cash flow and if it makes sense overall. When PPL bought SC, they paid roughly $4M (Draper made around $500K on it according to Sterling, and owned 12.5% of the company). They brought $30M of business with them, and I expect that, like gamndbndr says, ~15% commission means $4.5 million in revenue. That's a fraction of what SC had, but this still seems like a lot of revenue flowing through a $4M capitalized company.

Looking forward to Season 4, lots of nice leads for followup (Duck and Peggy, the old SC folks at McCann-Erickson vs SCDP, Peggy and Pete, possible messy divorce, more Conrad Hilton, ???)

Magnolia88

11-23-2009, 06:17 PM

Henry reminds me of George Sibley, the paranoid nut geologist Ruth Fisher married in Six Feet Under after a short courtship. I suppose it's the vague physical resemblance. We all know how that turned out. I wonder how many ex wives Henry has....

You're right, he does sorta look like George (aka James Cromwell). Paranoid nutjob George of the bomb shelter with the son who sends him poop.

I hope Henry isn't that weird, but Betty of all people should know better than to fall for some guy's lines without getting to know him really well first, let alone marry the man. You'd think she would have learned her lesson. I think she will end up deciding the devil she knows is better than the one she doesn't. I don't think she has the courage to be on her own without a man (look at how the divorced neighbor gets treated), so I predict she will end up staying with Don in the end after finding out that Henry isn't what he seems.

DevdogAZ

11-23-2009, 07:36 PM

You're right, he does sorta look like George (aka James Cromwell). Paranoid nutjob George of the bomb shelter with the son who sends him poop.

I hope Henry isn't that weird, but Betty of all people should know better than to fall for some guy's lines without getting to know him really well first, let alone marry the man. You'd think she would have learned her lesson. I think she will end up deciding the devil she knows is better than the one she doesn't. I don't think she has the courage to be on her own without a man (look at how the divorced neighbor gets treated), so I predict she will end up staying with Don in the end after finding out that Henry isn't what he seems.
I'm sure you're right. Whether in real life they would have to go live in Reno for six weeks or whether they would just rent an apartment and go back to NY, for purposes of the show, they'll stay there for six weeks and Betty will get to see what life with him will be like, and it won't be all she hoped it would be.