The Amazing Race - 10/11/09 [Text View]

zaknafein

10-11-2009, 10:01 PM

Yeah, that would suck.

The #1 rule of TAR has to be: know where your passport is at all times. That should be a standard check before you leave any place, make sure both team members have their passports.

debtoine

10-11-2009, 10:30 PM

Boo, they were the only team I liked. :down:

What a stinky way to get Philiminated.

deb

Jeff_in_Bklyn

10-11-2009, 11:02 PM

I was sorta half watching, did they show when/where they lost the passport?

VegasVic

10-11-2009, 11:09 PM

No they didn't. If the cameraman had noticed it they would have showed it.

Maui

10-11-2009, 11:18 PM

Wow, that was tough! I think nearly everyone was rooting for them.

I know people seem to dislike the poker girls and I have a feeling their days are numbered but there are a few teams I'd love to see go out first beginning with the musclehead that did the strange kick when they reached the mat.

SDTivoJoe

10-12-2009, 12:07 AM

Boo, they were the only team I liked. :down:

What a stinky way to get Philiminated.

deb

Ditto. As Zev put it quite succinctly: "This sucks".

bryhamm

10-12-2009, 12:24 AM

Yeah, that sucked

jasonander

10-12-2009, 01:57 AM

I was sorta half watching, did they show when/where they lost the passport?

Not in the show, but they tell how they lost it in the Elimination Station video on cbs.com . They basically went into the temple where the monkey roadblock was held when they weren't supposed to, it was dark inside, and they reached into their pockets to pull out their headlights and that's when the passport fell out and they didn't notice. I bet the film crew wasn't allowed to film inside the temple; that's why it wasn't on camera. Someone found it and returned it to the US embassy.

cheerdude

10-12-2009, 07:11 AM

Wow... Has there been any other teams in seasons past that have been eliminated this way?

chronatog7

10-12-2009, 07:12 AM

I hate they were eliminated.

Overall, IMHO, this season seems a little flat. I'm looking forward to next week because of the destination.

TonyTheTiger

10-12-2009, 07:16 AM

cheerdude

10-12-2009, 07:16 AM

Where is the Elimination Station this year?

laria

10-12-2009, 08:15 AM

:(

I was rooting for them as I thought they were the most endearing team. Two things made it worse - 1, they would have won the leg (and probably a nice trip) and two, it would have been my least favorite team that was eliminated (lying, cheating poker girls!).

I was rooting for them, too, but I think maybe there was just no prize on this leg. Phil didn't tell them when they checked in that they needed to find their documents... he didn't even seem to know until they went up and told him after they'd been standing around in the backstage-type area looking for it. And I don't think that production would have alerted him about it because if they'd known they lost the passports, we surely would have gotten a zoom in shot of the passport lying on the floor of the cab or something.

Where is the Elimination Station this year?

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/video/?vs=Elimination%20Station

sushikitten

10-12-2009, 08:54 AM

laria

10-12-2009, 09:11 AM

My recording cut off (even with a 30 minute padding, GRRR) as Phil was telling the guys they had to find their passports to check in. Was the rest of the show worth watching online? I assume there wasn't much show left.

I think it started at 8:40, so there was about 10 minutes left. Not much happened... the guys called up Thierry the cabby buddy (apparantly he'd given them his business card or something for some reason) and headed back out to try to find the passports and the last couple teams finished up the monkey task and checked in.

Bob Coxner

10-12-2009, 09:37 AM

Wow... Has there been any other teams in seasons past that have been eliminated this way?

Dallas (the deaf kid) lost his passport in Russia in TAR 13. That was on the final leg of the race and he and his mom weren't at the mat to greet the winners.

zaknafein

10-12-2009, 09:42 AM

Wow... Has there been any other teams in seasons past that have been eliminated this way?

Yes, a couple seasons ago. I can't remember their names, but it was a mom & son team. For the detour they split the two members of the team up. While they were split, the son left his bag--which had all their money and their passports--in a cab. Phil had to come meet them out on the race, because they didn't even have enough money to make it to the pit stop.

wendiness1

10-12-2009, 09:50 AM

Very disappointing. I really liked that team.

pendragn

10-12-2009, 10:09 AM

My recording cut off (even with a 30 minute padding, GRRR) as Phil was telling the guys they had to find their passports to check in. Was the rest of the show worth watching online? I assume there wasn't much show left.

Always, always, always get a season pass for the show after Amazing Race while football is on. Padding doesn't always catch it.

tk

BrandonRe

10-12-2009, 10:12 AM

I was rooting for them, too, but I think maybe there was just no prize on this leg. Phil didn't tell them when they checked in that they needed to find their documents... he didn't even seem to know until they went up and told him after they'd been standing around in the backstage-type area looking for it. And I don't think that production would have alerted him about it because if they'd known they lost the passports, we surely would have gotten a zoom in shot of the passport lying on the floor of the cab or something.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/video/?vs=Elimination%20Station

I just assumed they edited out the awarding of the trip.

uncdrew

10-12-2009, 10:21 AM

"She's a queen -- of England, I think."

"She's Cambodian, that's for sure."

O Jackie. :(

refried

10-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Dallas (the deaf kid) lost his passport in Russia in TAR 13. That was on the final leg of the race and he and his mom weren't at the mat to greet the winners.

Yes, Dallas was the one who lost his passport. No he wasn't deaf. You're thinking of Luke from TAR 14.

Still a bummer that Justin and Zev were eliminated. I think Matt and Gary are my favorites now.

refried

10-12-2009, 10:31 AM

Always, always, always get a season pass for the show after Amazing Race while football is on. Padding doesn't always catch it.

tk

I pad TAR by an hour and it usually does the trick. I don't even thing that's the largest amount of padding you can add.

BrandonRe

10-12-2009, 10:52 AM

"She's a queen -- of England, I think."

"She's Cambodian, that's for sure."

O Jackie. :(

My wife and I were amazed that seemingly everyone in Cambodia knew where the hotel room was just by seeing the picture. That visit must have made one hell of an impression in Cambodia, to be that widely known 40+ years later.

Ment

10-12-2009, 12:12 PM

"She's a queen -- of England, I think."

"She's Cambodian, that's for sure."

O Jackie. :(

That was fail on multiple levels. I think I saw Leno in the background somewhere.. ;)

Guess I'm rooting for the Globetrotter guys since Zev is gone. The other teams either don't stand out in any way or have characteristics that annoy me.

Zephyr

10-12-2009, 12:16 PM

GoHalos

10-12-2009, 12:24 PM

"She's a queen -- of England, I think."

"She's Cambodian, that's for sure."

O Jackie. :(

Watching that sequence made me sad.

kettledrum

10-12-2009, 12:33 PM

Seems like in recent seasons some team is always losing their passport at some point along the way. (Or Travel Documents if you're Phil.)

DevdogAZ

10-12-2009, 12:33 PM

My wife and I were amazed that seemingly everyone in Cambodia knew where the hotel room was just by seeing the picture. That visit must have made one hell of an impression in Cambodia, to be that widely known 40+ years later.
Agreed. I was very surprised that not only did everyone know the picture, but they all seemed to know which hotel she stayed in.

Bummer for Zev and Justin. They were a fun team to watch. I wonder if the producers make them show their documents after they check in at the mat. If not, I wonder what would have happened if they had just kept it to themselves until the start of the next leg.

DevdogAZ

10-12-2009, 12:34 PM

Seems like in recent seasons someone's always losing their passport. (Or Travel Documents if you're Phil.)
As far as I can remember, it's now happened twice in the history of the show. I wouldn't say that constitutes always.

kettledrum

10-12-2009, 01:14 PM

As far as I can remember, it's now happened twice in the history of the show. I wouldn't say that constitutes always.

I didn't say that it led to an elimination necessarily, but that in recent seasons people seem to have been more careless with their bags and left them places. At a challenge, in a cab, etc. Usually they are able to find them ebfore they are the last team checked in.

IndyJones1023

10-12-2009, 02:16 PM

Couldn't have happened to a better couple! His attitude was awful, just a piece of paper... who needs it? I believe an all too typical attitude. Folks, you are in a foreign country. That piece of paper is all you have to demonstrate some standing rather than just being another illegal immigrant. Anyway, for a Boston sports fan, this was about the only good thing that happened all weekend!

:confused:

uncdrew

10-12-2009, 03:06 PM

Watching that sequence made me sad.

Agreed. I wasn't even born yet, but Jackie is an American icon. I was sad too.

And Ment, I thought of Jay Leno as well. :)

GoHalos

10-12-2009, 03:39 PM

Agreed. I wasn't even born yet, but Jackie is an American icon. I was sad too.

Exactly. I wasn't born either, but it's hard for me to fathom people (especially that many people) not knowing who she is.

JLucPicard

10-12-2009, 04:06 PM

I wonder if the producers make them show their documents after they check in at the mat.
I always suspected (but felt more confident last night) that once they check in, etc., they have to show that they still have whatever is required for the race - at a minimum, their passports, but with some going back to find clues they lost, I wondered if they are required to have them at the finish as well. It's just never come up that someone got to the pit stop and didn't have them wthout already realizing it before then.

Was anyone else confused about the fact that, if I remember right, when they finished the last leg it was light out and they were leaving on this leg around 7:00 p.m., give or take. That would seem like something over a 24 hour pit stop, but then they all start out and immediately there is about a 12 hour "bunch up" until the plane leaves? I must be missing something obvious, but that all seemed pretty strange to me.

DevdogAZ

10-12-2009, 04:14 PM

Was anyone else confused about the fact that, if I remember right, when they finished the last leg it was light out and they were leaving on this leg around 7:00 p.m., give or take. That would seem like something over a 24 hour pit stop, but then they all start out and immediately there is about a 12 hour "bunch up" until the plane leaves? I must be missing something obvious, but that all seemed pretty strange to me.
It was one of those pit stops where the departure times were arbitrary and had nothing to do with the check in times. You can always tell when these exist by the way Phil phrases the voiceover, i.e. "Flight Time and Big Easy, who were the first to arrive, will depart at 6:53 p.m." vs. "Flight Time and Big Easy, who were the first to arrive at 3:37 p.m., will depart at 3:37 a.m."

It is strange that they had them all leave the pit stop, only to go sleep on the floor at the airport. Since it wasn't a 12-hour pit stop, and the producers obviously knew the next flight wasn't until 12:25 p.m., why didn't they keep them at the pit stop until at least midnight or even 3-4 a.m.?

pdhenry

10-12-2009, 04:22 PM

I don't think any of the pit stops have been of the "first to arrive at 3:37 p.m., will depart at 3:37 a.m." sort this season. They've been of the other sort.

VegasVic

10-12-2009, 04:29 PM

Arbitrary start times I understand but doing that and them sit in the airport several hours was kind of odd.

gschrock

10-12-2009, 04:36 PM

Exactly. I wasn't born either, but it's hard for me to fathom people (especially that many people) not knowing who she is.

I don't know, while some of the responses were stupid, not recognizing her I don't think is a big deal. I wouldn't exactly bet I could recognize a picture of her myself, especially as out of context as that was. Of course, I could also care less about the Kennedy's in general, so that's probably part of the reason :). And for a lot of the people in this show, it's quite frankly ancient history.

Now, I have to admit, when the first team had a cab driver that immediately recognized it, I thought they were incredibly lucky. Then it seemed like just about anyone on the street recognized it, so I was quite impressed with how the average person just knew about it.

DevdogAZ

10-12-2009, 04:37 PM

I don't think any of the pit stops have been of the "first to arrive at 3:37 p.m., will depart at 3:37 a.m." sort this season. They've been of the other sort.
I'm pretty certain that when they left the pit stop in the last episode, it was one of the 12-hour types.

IndyJones1023

10-12-2009, 04:39 PM

I don't think any of the pit stops have been of the "first to arrive at 3:37 p.m., will depart at 3:37 a.m." sort this season. They've been of the other sort.

I think they all have been that way.

DevdogAZ

10-12-2009, 04:46 PM

I think they all have been that way.
Not the one they left at the beginning of this episode.

TonyTheTiger

10-12-2009, 06:02 PM

Er, yes it was - they just all had to catch the same plane, which equalized it (including the two standby teams).

stellie93

10-12-2009, 06:16 PM

"She's a queen -- of England, I think."

"She's Cambodian, that's for sure.

O Jackie. :(

:( Really making me feel old here. And other than dark hair, how does she look Cambodian?

Exactly. I wasn't born either, but it's hard for me to fathom people (especially that many people) not knowing who she is.

Ok, now I feel better. They're just uneducated, not 30 years younger than me. ;)

spikedavis

10-12-2009, 06:20 PM

I just watched this and I'm blown away. I can't believe what happened. That sucks so bad.

DevdogAZ

10-12-2009, 06:29 PM

Er, yes it was - they just all had to catch the same plane, which equalized it (including the two standby teams).
Was that in response to my post? If so, you're wrong. I went back specifically and listened to make sure that this was one of the pit stops where the time they left had nothing to do with the time they arrived. Phil did not say what time they arrived, only what time they were departing, which indicates that it wasn't an even 12/36 hours and was therefore some arbitrary time selected by the producers.

JLucPicard

10-12-2009, 07:22 PM

It is strange that they had them all leave the pit stop, only to go sleep on the floor at the airport. Since it wasn't a 12-hour pit stop, and the producers obviously knew the next flight wasn't until 12:25 p.m., why didn't they keep them at the pit stop until at least midnight or even 3-4 a.m.?
That's pretty much what I was getting at - why have a "non-standard" (for lack of a better way to refer to it) pit stop that results in them all having to wait over night and until noon the next day for their flight out? :confused:

GoHalos

10-12-2009, 09:07 PM

That's pretty much what I was getting at - why have a "non-standard" (for lack of a better way to refer to it) pit stop that results in them all having to wait over night and until noon the next day for their flight out? :confused:

Budget cuts on the show and they didn't want to pay for everyone to have an extra night at the hotel? ;)

I thought it was weird as well.

YCantAngieRead

10-12-2009, 09:29 PM

Like others here, I was really saddened when barely anyone knew who Jackie O was. I kept yelling at the TV.:o

gossamer88

10-12-2009, 09:37 PM

I'm still trying to figure how they got to the pit before the other team?!

Jebberwocky!

10-13-2009, 09:32 AM

Like others here, I was really saddened when barely anyone knew who Jackie O was. I kept yelling at the TV.:o

Initially surprised but after I thought about it I'm not sure my kids would know her by that picture.

Would you have recognized a picture of Eleanor Roosevelt taken in a foreign country when you were in your early 20's?

Regardless, I thought the comments were pretty funny.

Bob Coxner

10-13-2009, 09:35 AM

Cragmyre

10-13-2009, 09:38 AM

Lance reminds me of Bobcat Goldthwait

IJustLikeTivo

10-13-2009, 09:43 AM

That's pretty much what I was getting at - why have a "non-standard" (for lack of a better way to refer to it) pit stop that results in them all having to wait over night and until noon the next day for their flight out? :confused:

I think forcing an overnight in the airport was intentional. Part of this race is seeing how the teams respond to sleep deprivation and discomfort.

TIVOSciolist

10-13-2009, 10:24 AM

Interesting that they showed a Western tourist taking a photo of the TAR cameraman while the father and son were at the Russian Market.

TAR usually does a good job of keeping tourists out of the shots and videotaping only locals (and, sometimes, expats) watching the challenges being performed. I sometimes imagine that the cameramen must yell in advance, "All tourists, get out of the way!"

(The two Pennsylvania women women seemed like expats who knew the city since the basketball players also took them along to the monkey challenge after finishing at the Russian Market.)

Magnolia88

10-13-2009, 11:39 AM

I can't really add much to what has been said.

I hated to see Zev and Justin go, especially when they ran such a good leg and would have come in first otherwise. That just sucked. :(

And the whole Jackie O sequence was indeed quite sad. It's one thing not to recognize her (although c'mon - she's one of the most photographed women of the 20th century!) -- but to look at a photo of her and think she looks Cambodian? That was both odd and sad.

It doesn't surprise me that one or two younger (and dumber) teams wouldn't recognize her, but the fact that most of the teams didn't seem to recognize her was pretty sad. Who recognized her other than Pinky's dad? I know at least one other team did, but I can't remember who.

Would you have recognized a picture of Eleanor Roosevelt taken in a foreign country when you were in your early 20's?

Yeah, I think I would have. I think I learned about Eleanor Roosevelt in fourth or fifth grade and would have recognized her then. And she died long before I was born. That's not really an excuse.

Fl_Gulfer

10-13-2009, 11:54 AM

When the two made their way to the US consulate in Cambodia to report it missing, they were happy to find out that it had been turned in but upset to discover that they lost it at a dark temple near the location for the monkey challenge.

"It was exactly where we would have guessed it was. It just makes it that much tougher. Now that we know where it was, we think we know what happened and it's harder to swallow," says Justin.

"We went into this temple we weren't supposed to go into because we misread the clue," he explains.

"I pull out the light and it probably came out with the light. If we hadn't gone inside that temple, we hadn't needed to search around in the dark and pull out my headlight, we'd probably be wherever everybody else is right now."

"Sick to my stomach. Now I'm pretty sure that it's my fault. Makes me beat myself up a little more than I was already."

Zephyr

10-13-2009, 01:03 PM

Remember that he has Asperger's, a version of autism. He wasn't being the standard example of the ugly American abroad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

Yes, I had forgotten. Thanks for the reminder and the reference.
It gives me pause to think about this.

brianric

10-13-2009, 01:05 PM

Like others here, I was really saddened when barely anyone knew who Jackie O was. I kept yelling at the TV.:o
Obvious you never watch Jay Leno in Jaywalking. :eek:

Havana Brown

10-13-2009, 01:14 PM

I'm still trying to figure how they got to the pit before the other team?!

me too!

DevdogAZ

10-13-2009, 01:27 PM

I'm still trying to figure how they got to the pit before the other team?!
Which team are you talking about? Justin and Zev got to the pit stop before Sam and Dan because Sam and Dan had one of those slow, open air tuk-tuk cabs, while Justin and Zev had a regular cab with the same driver they had all day, who was very good.

uncdrew

10-13-2009, 02:03 PM

Which team are you talking about? Justin and Zev got to the pit stop before Sam and Dan because Sam and Dan had one of those slow, open air tuk-tuk cabs, while Justin and Zev had a regular cab with the same driver they had all day, who was very good.

Yeah, they even showed Sam and Dan bitching about how slow they were going.

gossamer88

10-13-2009, 02:25 PM

Which team are you talking about? Justin and Zev got to the pit stop before Sam and Dan because Sam and Dan had one of those slow, open air tuk-tuk cabs, while Justin and Zev had a regular cab with the same driver they had all day, who was very good.

Shoulda been clearer. I was talking about how Justin & Zev got there 1st. Still seem like (in the editing at least) that Sam & Dan had it pretty big head start.

vman

10-13-2009, 02:25 PM

Like everyone else, I'm very bummed at how this ended - especially since my 9-year old son has Asperger's and it is neat to see a young man able to handle the challenges that come with the race. I was especially touched by how well they handled it - they were obviously increibly disappointed, but there was no yelling or finger pointing - I can only imagine what would have happened if that had been Lance's team that lost a passport.

I do have to say, it is getting pretty easy to identify which team will be eliminated near the start of the episode - if they give a team a bit more clip time to discuss their relationship or background, that team is pretty much toast.

Einselen

10-13-2009, 04:20 PM

laria

10-13-2009, 04:40 PM

I wonder though if this was an elimination leg or not. I am bot sure how long Justin and Zev looked for the passport, but I would spend hours and retrace every single step taken, just for the small hope that maybe just maybe it is a non-elimination leg.

I doubt that there would have been another non-elimination leg so soon, especially with the first leg being one.

Magnolia88

10-13-2009, 09:34 PM

People interviewed Zev and Justin (http://tvwatch.people.com/2009/10/13/zev-and-justin-we-thought-we-could-beat-anyone/) about the passport incident and other stuff.

Walk readers through what happened after elimination. Did you ever find the passport?
Justin: We went across the street to the embassy and someone had turned it in. When they told us where it was [found], we realized what happened. I had the passport in my fanny pack when we went to the monkey dance place. They didn’t show it but at first we had gone incorrectly inside the monastery. It was really dark so I pulled out my headlight from the pack and the passport must have come out with it.

Zev: We were stuck in Cambodia for about four days because this happened on Friday and the embassy was closed on weekends. We were depressed the whole time.

They say they pretty much got along with everyone else, even Lance, but not the poker players so much.

mike_k

10-13-2009, 10:36 PM

I wonder though if this was an elimination leg or not. I am bot sure how long Justin and Zev looked for the passport, but I would spend hours and retrace every single step taken, just for the small hope that maybe just maybe it is a non-elimination leg.

I'm pretty sure they were told that they had to be back with the passport before the last team checked in.

Einselen

10-14-2009, 01:17 AM

I'm pretty sure they were told that they had to be back with the passport before the last team checked in.

Ahh yes this is true, I forgot about that.

Roadblock

10-14-2009, 05:59 PM

The #1 rule of TAR has to be: know where your passport is at all times. That should be a standard check before you leave any place, make sure both team members have their passports.

Isn't that the #1 rule of international travel? Seems like common sense to me.

pendragn

10-14-2009, 06:02 PM

Isn't that the #1 rule of international travel? Seems like common sense to me.

For regular travel, no. The only way you can know where your passport is at all times is to have it on you. When you're doing regular travel it's a bad idea to have your passport on you in case you get mugged and it gets stolen. I travel outside the US all the time and I never carry my passport with me. Before you ask, no I've never been mugged, but a buddy of mine did get his pocket picked in Barcelona a couple of years ago. They got all his cash, all his credit cards, and all his ideas except his passport. It was in his hotel room.

tk

Magnolia88

10-14-2009, 06:12 PM

When you're doing regular travel it's a bad idea to have your passport on you in case you get mugged and it gets stolen.

In some countries, you are theoretically supposed to have it on your person at all times. I'm told that some people have been hassled when they don't have them when asked by the local police.

I'm with you, I usually leave it in the hotel room safe and carry a photocopy with me. But sometimes the hotel room doesn't have a safe, and I think the chances of stuff getting stolen from the room may be higher than getting mugged. I've had things stolen from a hotel room (twice) more than I've been mugged (never). And if you carry it in a moneybelt, it's hard for muggers to get it.

In this case, apparently Zev and Justin carried them in the official TAR packs and it fell out, but they were in the dark and didn't see it. I think most of the teams carry them in their TAR packs - maybe they are even instructed to carry them in their TAR bags -- but I would want to carry mine in a moneybelt. It's too easy to drop things out of bags.

Mispelld

10-15-2009, 12:49 AM

They got all his cash, all his credit cards, and all his ideas except his passport.That is one hell of a pickpocket! Your friend shouldn't have been so open minded. ;)

jradosh

10-15-2009, 08:21 AM

That is one hell of a pickpocket! Your friend shouldn't have been so open minded. ;)

I nominate this as "Best Newbie Post of 2009" :up:

Keep 'em coming. :)

pendragn

10-15-2009, 10:32 AM

I nominate this as "Best Newbie Post of 2009" :up:

Keep 'em coming. :)

Don't encourage him. :)

tk

mattack

10-15-2009, 10:51 PM

Why was there no first place prize?? Did they just get rid of it because of the passport screwup?

David Platt

10-16-2009, 10:44 AM

Why was there no first place prize?? Did they just get rid of it because of the passport screwup?

They edited it out. Zev and Justin won motorcycles, but they rejected them for some reason:

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_15/2009_Oct_14_zev_justin_interviews

DevdogAZ

10-16-2009, 12:44 PM

They edited it out. Zev and Justin won motorcycles, but they rejected them for some reason:

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_15/2009_Oct_14_zev_justin_interviews
That's interesting that they said they rejected the prize. I'm guessing that when it became apparent that they weren't eligible for the prize, by not having their passports when they checked in, then the prize was rescinded.

That interview said they only had about 26 minutes to look for the passport before the last place team checked in and they were notified that it was too late. I wonder how much of that 26 minutes was taken up by them dumping the contents of their bags all over the grounds. That looked like a not-very effective way of searching.

That interview also said that they were surprised how much downtime there was. It said that there were only a few hours per day of racing and the rest was interviews and sitting around. Very interesting.

ElJay

10-16-2009, 12:45 PM

I could easily imagine a person rejecting an unwanted prize because they don't want the 1099 for it and the hassle of selling the thing.

goblue97

10-16-2009, 09:42 PM

Initially surprised but after I thought about it I'm not sure my kids would know her by that picture.

Would you have recognized a picture of Eleanor Roosevelt taken in a foreign country when you were in your early 20's?

Regardless, I thought the comments were pretty funny.

Totally agree with this. I couldn't pick some first ladies out of a lineup if my life depended on it. I realize that Jackie O is a bit different but most of the racers are pretty young.

brianric

10-17-2009, 05:20 AM

Would you have recognized a picture of Eleanor Roosevelt taken in a foreign country when you were in your early 20's?

Yes, due to going to Catholic grammar and high school, where there was an emphasis on history.