View Full Version : House 10/5/2009 - "The Tyrant"
So could this be the possible plot for Cameron to exit the show? Her husband is a stone-cold killer. Also, this have the potential for Chase to rejoin the group, having him "demoted" as punishment.
I'm predicting that Remy13 will come back, once House is fully re-instated, only because she fills out the "hottie" quotient. Will they get another doc, or will Taub also rejoin?
James Earl Jones is as good as ever.
uncdrew
10-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Wow, what a completely unbelievable episode.
I still liked it though.
I do kinda wish Dead Poet Dude's neighbor and House didn't resolve things so quickly. I liked Angry Canadian Guy.
betts4
10-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Was the 'cure' that House showed Angry Canadian Guy such a new idea? No one else thought of anything like that? I didn't have any idea what he did. I sort of got the phantom arm bit, but not why it helped. And I would think other Doctors he had seen that were working with amputees would know.
Graymalkin
10-06-2009, 03:18 PM
Does that cure for Angry Canadian Guy actually work?
kemajor
10-06-2009, 03:18 PM
So could this be the possible plot for Cameron to exit the show? Her husband is a stone-cold killer.
I really thought it was going to be Cameron who killed him and that would be her exit from the show.
- K
kemajor
10-06-2009, 03:19 PM
Does that cure for Angry Canadian Guy actually work?
As long as he keeps his "arms" in the box. :)
- K
uncdrew
10-06-2009, 03:21 PM
Was the 'cure' that House showed Angry Canadian Guy such a new idea? No one else thought of anything like that? I didn't have any idea what he did. I sort of got the phantom arm bit, but not why it helped. And I would think other Doctors he had seen that were working with amputees would know.
My thought too.
36 years of pain and suffering solved by a cardboard box and mirror. I'd be contacting my old doctors...
I think the premise was that if Angry Canadian Guy could "see" the phantom arm clenching a fist really tight and then quickly letting go, it would cause the nerves and muscles and such in the bad arm to finally relax.
It does seem kind of logical, but I too am curious to see what Dr. Snopes has to say about it.
uncdrew
10-06-2009, 03:22 PM
I really thought it was going to be Cameron who killed him and that would be her exit from the show.
- K
Maybe it was her.
Chase might be covering. Or perhaps a joint decision.
kemajor
10-06-2009, 03:26 PM
Maybe it was her.
Chase might be covering. Or perhaps a joint decision.
Interesting thought. Now I'm mad I didn't think of that possibility. :)
- K
MiakioAmy
10-06-2009, 03:31 PM
According to EW (http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/10/06/house-season-6-episode-3/) it is a real treatment.
For any of you interested in that mirror box treatment, it came up in an article in The New Yorker last year (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/30/080630fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all), and it’s totally real, and according to the story, does indeed work immediately. Pretty awesome.
nirisahn
10-06-2009, 03:34 PM
Was the 'cure' that House showed Angry Canadian Guy such a new idea? No one else thought of anything like that? I didn't have any idea what he did. I sort of got the phantom arm bit, but not why it helped. And I would think other Doctors he had seen that were working with amputees would know.
Does that cure for Angry Canadian Guy actually work?
I recently read an article on phantom limb pain and how the brain is mapped. There has actually been a great deal of success with using the mirror box treatment. The eyes see the reflected hand and the brain interprets it as the missing limb actually being there. Massaging or manipulating the existing limb, and watching the reflection in the mirror tricks the brain into thinking it's the phantom limb getting treatment and the phantom pain is relieved. The article was in Time or Newsweek. We get them at work. I don't know how old the issue was because we never throw anything away around here. I could have picked up a year old issue and not realized it.
Edit: Maybe it was the New Yorker article that I read. We have that lying around the office, too.
dilbert27
10-06-2009, 04:04 PM
When James Earl Jones was talking with Chase about where he was from and then asked him if he had lived in England I kept waiting for JEJ to say:
"Chase I am your Father"
According to EW (http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/10/06/house-season-6-episode-3/) it is a real treatment.
OK, I'll buy that, but he was still taking a ridiculous risk in drugging and kidnapping the guy on the chance that the treatment would work, on the first try and instantly, on a man who's likely to be hysterical from waking up bound and gagged - and a wounded vet at that who probably spooks more easily than most. Given that House just got out of drug rehab, if it hadn't gone perfectly he'd be looking at serious jail time, not to mention never practicing medicine again.
And it was completely unnecessary - all he had to do was say "Listen, I'm a doctor and I have a painless treatment that can help you." Even if he added a healthy dose of House snark the guy would probably have taken the chance to get rid of his unending pain.
By the way, did anyone else have visions of Dexter when House jabbed him with that needle?
DLL66
10-06-2009, 04:25 PM
OK, I'll buy that, but he was still taking a ridiculous risk in drugging and kidnapping the guy on the chance that the treatment would work, on the first try and instantly, on a man who's likely to be hysterical from waking up bound and gagged - and a wounded vet at that who probably spooks more easily than most. Given that House just got out of drug rehab, if it hadn't gone perfectly he'd be looking at serious jail time, not to mention never practicing medicine again.
And it was completely unnecessary - all he had to do was say "Listen, I'm a doctor and I have a painless treatment that can help you." Even if he added a healthy dose of House snark the guy would probably have taken the chance to get rid of his unending pain.
By the way, did anyone else have visions of Dexter when House jabbed him with that needle?
Yeah, but it was more TV dramatic this way.
cheerdude
10-06-2009, 04:45 PM
If House told ACG the "I'm a doctor.. I can help" ... ACG wouldn't have believe him.
House then had to have his undivided attention... drug/kidnapping did the trick!
Not to spolierize too much ... but
previews for next week show that Chase's actions don't go away so easily.
laria
10-06-2009, 05:20 PM
I hope that Taub is gone for good. I find his character incredibly annoying. :)
nirisahn
10-06-2009, 05:28 PM
I didn't like any of the new team, but I'm not sure that bringing back the old team is the right answer, either. I think they need a new team for House. They also need to write them better.
LoadStar
10-06-2009, 06:25 PM
OK, I'll buy that, but he was still taking a ridiculous risk in drugging and kidnapping the guy on the chance that the treatment would work, on the first try and instantly, on a man who's likely to be hysterical from waking up bound and gagged - and a wounded vet at that who probably spooks more easily than most. Given that House just got out of drug rehab, if it hadn't gone perfectly he'd be looking at serious jail time, not to mention never practicing medicine again.
And it was completely unnecessary - all he had to do was say "Listen, I'm a doctor and I have a painless treatment that can help you." Even if he added a healthy dose of House snark the guy would probably have taken the chance to get rid of his unending pain.
By the way, did anyone else have visions of Dexter when House jabbed him with that needle?
Yeah, they were definitely alluding to Dexter with that scene. (That was the second reference to a hit premium TV show; earlier in the episode, Chase also referenced True Blood.)
And as for just telling the guy, the guy is a mirror for how House used to be. The guy developed a coping mechanism for the pain: being a jerk to disenfranchise others around him. He, like House, would not likely have been receptive to "nice," and offering help relieving the pain would qualify under that category. The neighbor's response would have been to redouble his efforts to be a jerk... my guess, he probably would have called the police right then and there and had both House AND ChaseWilson arrested.
House's method, while probably not the best for his long-term psychological recovery, was probably the only method that would have worked in that instance.
LoadStar
10-06-2009, 06:28 PM
Maybe it was her.
Chase might be covering. Or perhaps a joint decision.
My guess: (spoiler tagged since I've seen the big casting spoiler to come, and that is influencing my guess):
Chase definitely did it alone. Cameron had nothing to do with it. However, Cameron will "fall on her sword" to protect Chase, when things start going south in a big way.
nirisahn
10-06-2009, 06:44 PM
Yeah, they were definitely alluding to Dexter with that scene. (That was the second reference to a hit premium TV show; earlier in the episode, Chase also referenced True Blood.)
And as for just telling the guy, the guy is a mirror for how House used to be. The guy developed a coping mechanism for the pain: being a jerk to disenfranchise others around him. He, like House, would not likely have been receptive to "nice," and offering help relieving the pain would qualify under that category. The neighbor's response would have been to redouble his efforts to be a jerk... my guess, he probably would have called the police right then and there and had both House AND Chase arrested.
House's method, while probably not the best for his long-term psychological recovery, was probably the only method that would have worked in that instance.Did you mean Wilson? Chase had nothing to do with the condo guy.
LoadStar
10-06-2009, 06:47 PM
Did you mean Wilson? Chase had nothing to do with the condo guy.
Yeah, my bad. Corrected.
sieglinde
10-06-2009, 07:08 PM
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/21/2206
Mirror limb therapy
The killing of the dictator is one of those ethical questions. Would you have killed Hitler as a boy (a person who was innocent at that time) if you knew what he was going to grow up and do?
betts4
10-06-2009, 08:33 PM
By the way, did anyone else have visions of Dexter when House jabbed him with that needle?
Yes, but I am deep into Dexter season three - thank you Netflix.
Kablemodem
10-06-2009, 09:06 PM
Heaven help me for sending this thread into a tailspin, but many people say they would have taken out Hitler if they had the opportunity so they could prevent all of the suffering he caused. What Chase did to JEJ was similar to that, at least in his mind.
andyw715
10-07-2009, 08:34 AM
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/21/2206
Mirror limb therapy
The killing of the dictator is one of those ethical questions. Would you have killed Hitler as a boy (a person who was innocent at that time) if you knew what he was going to grow up and do?
Of course! His name is Hitler for God's sake!
laria
10-07-2009, 09:34 AM
Maybe it was her.
Chase might be covering. Or perhaps a joint decision.
I don't think she would have used Chase's name on the sign in sheet if it was her. She'd either use her own, or someone who was entirely unconnected to the case (which begs the question why didn't Chase use someone else's name).
orangetoes
10-07-2009, 09:36 AM
The killing of the dictator is one of those ethical questions. Would you have killed Hitler as a boy (a person who was innocent at that time) if you knew what he was going to grow up and do?
But, that isn't entirely the correct question to ask and answer. The dictator was already responsible for genocide - he was no longer "innocent." The real question should be: Would you have killed Hitler in the 1940's after he created the concentration camps?
uncdrew
10-07-2009, 10:12 AM
I don't think she would have used Chase's name on the sign in sheet if it was her. She'd either use her own, or someone who was entirely unconnected to the case (which begs the question why didn't Chase use someone else's name).
She wouldn't, but perhaps Chase would. Perhaps he went behind her and changed it. ?
I'm not sure why he signed in at all really, but from my extensive knowledge of morgues from TV and Movies, I think there is some attendant who makes you sign in.
Alfer
10-07-2009, 10:23 AM
I found myself getting easily distracted during this episode....I'm getting that feeling that I'm going to slowly lose interest in House...for some reason the whole mixed up team of his is sort of turning me off the show.
Hopefully they get things in order soon and things get back on track.
GDG76
10-07-2009, 04:34 PM
I thought this episode was crap. Not in Chase's character at all IMO.. then again, we haven't seen his character in a while.
House was also slipping back into full-on a-hole mode in the hospital for part of the episode. Hopefully they don't go too far down that path. He didn't really help Foreman at all...
He didn't really help Foreman at all...
He did, a bit, by giving him the highest compliment he can think of when he said something to the effect of "You're like me."
stellie93
10-07-2009, 04:45 PM
But, that isn't entirely the correct question to ask and answer. The dictator was already responsible for genocide - he was no longer "innocent." The real question should be: Would you have killed Hitler in the 1940's after he created the concentration camps?
I noticed they threw in that things improved in that country after the dictator was gone. What if another guy even worse came to power after you killed the first guy? And you're rotting away in jail somewhere basically for nothing. Or you made a bad situation worse. The Hitler question usually assumes knowledge of the future which ensures you're doing the right thing. In this case, even though the guy was bad, you couldn't be sure.
spikedavis
10-07-2009, 11:25 PM
I thought this episode was crap. Not in Chase's character at all IMO.. then again, we haven't seen his character in a while.
House was also slipping back into full-on a-hole mode in the hospital for part of the episode. Hopefully they don't go too far down that path. He didn't really help Foreman at all...
I completely disagree-I think the first 3 episodes of this season have been fantastic-the best it's been in several years. Allowing House to be out of the hospital for a while leaves time to focus on the other characters and the stories have been very intriguing so far. Last night's episode was very well shot as well-Visually it looked similar to the episode last season when they found Kutner's body.
BriGuy20
10-08-2009, 10:01 AM
I noticed they threw in that things improved in that country after the dictator was gone. What if another guy even worse came to power after you killed the first guy? And you're rotting away in jail somewhere basically for nothing. Or you made a bad situation worse. The Hitler question usually assumes knowledge of the future which ensures you're doing the right thing. In this case, even though the guy was bad, you couldn't be sure.
I think this is the fallacy with all "go back in time and kill the bad guy" ideas. Who's to say things wouldn't have been worse by changing history?
Hunter Green
10-10-2009, 02:05 PM
The killing of the dictator is one of those ethical questions. Would you have killed Hitler as a boy (a person who was innocent at that time) if you knew what he was going to grow up and do?
Hitler may (or may not) be a special case: there's good reason to think that, without him, many of those atrocities would simply never have happened. In that case, yes, I would. However, the dictator we saw isn't that simple. He already conducted his atrocities and there's a lot of reason to realistically expect (despite the throwaway line at the episode's end) that his absence would simply change which tyrant was in charge, and which group was getting massacred. In that situation, barring additional information to suggest otherwise, my inclination would be to say, no, we don't kill him. We don't even let him die. The cost against the respect people have for medicine is not worth the nearly-zero-sum outcome of the act. (To say nothing of personal consequences.)
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