Big Brother 11 9/3/09

[Enrique]

Jeff is out and Natalie is the new HOH.

Looks like Natalie didn't need Jeffs help to win the next HOH.:p

[Cindy1230]

Ugh. I'm totally bummed.
Yay, good for natalie actually winning something.

I'm pulling for Michele... hopefully she'll win POV again.

[nmiller855]

The only way for Michelle to stay is to win the veto. Gnat is trying to avenge Chima's demise because Michelle drove her to do the things that caused her to be expelled. At least gnat is admitting that Chima was expelled & didn't quit.

[Einselen]

About time she won something. However I am not sure if you could have passed up that deal. If they honored it then you would be F2 for sure and if they backstabbed you at least you know right then while competing for HOH and could win it for yourself. Yes I know moot point, but she (as well as we) didn't know that at the time.

[Einselen]

The only way for Michelle to stay is to win the veto. Gnat is trying to avenge Chima's demise because Michelle drove her to do the things that caused her to be expelled. At least gnat is admitting that Chima was expelled & didn't quit.

Actually if Jordan wins POV then Michele can stick around if Jordan votes out Kevin. Right now all it is coming down to is M/J vs. N/K in POV. I think Jordan is safe this week and it is either Michele or Kevin going home.

[nyny523]

Ugh.

That is all.

[uncdrew]

Ugh.

That is all.

[uncdrew]

So...

That last question of the HoH competition -- all that needed to happen was Michelle and Jordan pick different answers and one of them wins HoH.

Ok, so they both guess wrong, Natalie gets it right. Horrible agony for me. But it's still a tie.

Anyone can win, so for me Michelle or Jordan winning is good. 2/3 chance.

And they blow it.



Come on. 20 cans to win the game, 5 competitors. Jeff barely beat Kevin. So you take 5 times 20 and subtract about 15 or so.

Jordan somehow come up with 226?!? Wha?!?


Ugh.

That is all.

[uncdrew]

So...

This week really just comes down to PoV, right? PoV decides who goes home. So while it pains me that Natalie is safe, that's really all that HoH means. Right?


I still have hope, right? 50% chance Kevin goes home? Right?

[Dnamertz]

Lost all respect for Kevin tonight for his "desperate" comment as he was evicting Jeff. Nothing shows a person's character more than how they act when they win, and making a comment as you are evicting someone is pathetic. Then Kevin tries to spin it as if Jeff got dirty first. All Jeff said was that Kevin back stabbed him...in an effort to get Natalie's vote (and Kevin actually said in the DR two weeks ago that "1st chance we get we are going to stab Jeff in the back"...so he admits to being a back stabber).

And is Natalie the dumbest player ever? She's 4 people away from $500,000 and she's making her vote based revenge for Jessie, and clearly going to make her nominations based on revenge for Chima. Looks like evil might prevail this season. At least Nat got lucky and won an HOH where the questions were basically a guessing game.

[vikingguy]

Best episode of the season. Seeing Justice served to Jeff was just great. I just hope Kevin can win PoV to stick around for a while longer.

[Dnamertz]

So...

That last question of the HoH competition -- all that needed to happen was Michelle and Jordan pick different answers and one of them wins HoH.

Ok, so they both guess wrong, Natalie gets it right. Horrible agony for me. But it's still a tie.

Anyone can win, so for me Michelle or Jordan winning is good. 2/3 chance.

And they blow it.


I know, how frustrating. Going into that last question, Natalie only had a 4% chance of winning the competition. How the heck did that happen?

[Dnamertz]

Best episode of the season. Seeing Justice served to Jeff was just great. I just hope Kevin can win PoV to stick around for a while longer.

Why? I would think you'd want to see justice served to Kevin now.

[Ment]

Come on. 20 cans to win the game, 5 competitors. Jeff barely beat Kevin. So you take 5 times 20 and subtract about 15 or so.

Jordan somehow come up with 226?!? Wha?!?


Ugh.

That is all.

Add that to the list of being Jordan.. :)

I'm surprised that she got enough questions right to be in the tiebreaker!

[jcondon]

Did they air different shows or something? She answered 24 which is just as assine.

[2004raptor]

I'm in the minority but I'm glad Jeff got got. I was on board with his team up until he got rid or Russel. I know it's all hind sight but it just seems logical that Russel was more trustworthy than Kevin/Nat. I mean, Jeff had just gotten rid of of their "leader".

I'm definitely not glad Nat won the HOH but at this point HOH means nothing, right? I mean it's good you get the private room and the luxuries/letter from home/etc. but the POV winner (if he/she) is on the block gets to take themselves off as well as cast the vote for who goes home. I think that's how it goes.

Anyways, still rooting for Michelle. She's the only one that deserves to win with maybe Kevin also deserving a bit.

And I can't remember Jeff's speech but I thought he came across as a jerk. It's only fair Kevin made his comment and sent him out.

BTW my wife totally disagrees with everything I said. :p

[gossamer88]

Nat won the worst HoH of the season.

Would love to see Jordan win PoV and of of course see Nat having to put up Kevin.

[nyny523]

So...

That last question of the HoH competition -- all that needed to happen was Michelle and Jordan pick different answers and one of them wins HoH.

Ok, so they both guess wrong, Natalie gets it right. Horrible agony for me. But it's still a tie.

Anyone can win, so for me Michelle or Jordan winning is good. 2/3 chance.

And they blow it.



Come on. 20 cans to win the game, 5 competitors. Jeff barely beat Kevin. So you take 5 times 20 and subtract about 15 or so.

Jordan somehow come up with 226?!? Wha?!?


Ugh.

That is all.
Forget Jordan (although knowing Jeff won with 24, it doesn't take a PhD to figure out there were MORE than 24 cans in all the contestants tubes, since Russell and Kevin were so close behind - DUH!!!!)

Michelle is a PhD Research Chemist, which I am certain required some advance math courses.

And yet, she couldn't figure out that each person needed 24 cans to win and do some quick addition and subtraction???? There were 5 contestants (5x24=120) and not everyone got all their cans. Even if you GUESS, you subtract maybe 40 cans, to get 80 (which was the number I thought I saw on the other side of her chalkboard, BTW, and then she changed it!!!). But 65? You gotta know mathematically there were more than 65 cans.

I suck at math and even I can figure that one out...

[Jebberwocky!]

yea but you had all night to think about it :)

I couldn't remember if there were 20 or 24 cans needed to win so I guessed 70.

I felt bad for Jordan, I thought she was going to win it outright and than I had to listen to Nat being a gracious winner.

[markz]

Jordan somehow come up with 226?!? Wha?!?


Ugh.

That is all.

Did they air different shows or something? She answered 24 which is just as assine.

Her first digit was scribbled out, so she had 24 or something, not 226.

[uncdrew]

Why? I would think you'd want to see justice served to Kevin now.

vikingguy is a bit odd. He thinks justice is when bad things happen to good people. We're not entirely sure what's going on with his comments.

[uncdrew]

Her first digit was scribbled out, so she had 24 or something, not 226.

Ahh. We that's an equally boneheaded guess. :p

[Alfer]

Well we're down to the bottom of the barrel/lamest players who are left to try to win...I hate when the season ends on such a downer.

Oh well...it was fun for a while at least.

[jcondon]

I think if they ever do Cliques again I will just skip that season. Too many floaters were allowed to float. Other then Michelle none of the final 4 deserve to be there. All 3 should have went home weeks ago.

Really sick that Natalie or Jordan could win 500K.

[Shaunnick]

It occurs to me that a member of each clique has managed to make it to the final four. How weird is that? I am still rooting for a Natalie/Jordon showdown. Sadly, I think Natalie would win in that scenario. Oh well.

[gossamer88]

And is Natalie the dumbest player ever? She's 4 people away from $500,000 and she's making her vote based revenge for Jessie, and clearly going to make her nominations based on revenge for Chima.

Do these people realize Chima abandoned their sorry asses?!

[DancnDude]

Natalie is the one person who I've disliked since episode 1. Ugg. I hope she opens Pandora's Box and it ships her off to the jury house.

[jradford]

Why? I would think you'd want to see justice served to Kevin now.
A questioned that has long been unanswered. Essentially, Jeff is evil for America liking him.
Forget Jordan (although knowing Jeff won with 24, it doesn't take a PhD to figure out there were MORE than 24 cans in all the contestants tubes, since Russell and Kevin were so close behind - DUH!!!!)

Michelle is a PhD Research Chemist, which I am certain required some advance math courses.

And yet, she couldn't figure out that each person needed 24 cans to win and do some quick addition and subtraction???? There were 5 contestants (5x24=120) and not everyone got all their cans. Even if you GUESS, you subtract maybe 40 cans, to get 80 (which was the number I thought I saw on the other side of her chalkboard, BTW, and then she changed it!!!). But 65? You gotta know mathematically there were more than 65 cans.

I suck at math and even I can figure that one out...
I'm pretty sure we saw Michelle perform a classic "Michelle Freak Out," last night. She was clearly doing some math on one side of her board when Julie said, "We NEED your answers Houseguests." My take is that she freaked out, realized she wasn't sure about the answer she came up with, turned her board over for a clean slate and threw a number down that she knew wasn't going over. Disappointing, I know, but like an above poster, I honestly couldn't remember if it was 20 or 24 cans.

I think if they ever do Cliques again I will just skip that season. Too many floaters were allowed to float. Other then Michelle none of the final 4 deserve to be there. All 3 should have went home weeks ago.

Really sick that Natalie or Jordan could win 500K.

I don't think Jordan has any shot to win 500k. I think she is in good shape for 50k, though. Yes, it makes me sick that Natalie could win 500k. I'm rooting for Kevin or Michelle, which stinks because 1 of them is going home this week.

[SoBelle0]

Do these people realize Chima abandoned their sorry asses?!
Exactly!! I do not get why they want any 'revenge' for her... she left you when it was an even count on both sides. Why would you want to provide any 'redemption' for a quitter!?! I just don't get these folks...

I really liked Julie asking Jeff why he would move his trust to Nat and Kevin when they'd been on the other side for the entire game, thus far. Unfortunately, though, he didn't have a good answer at all. He really doesn't get it that he+Jordan and Russ+Michelle is the same darn thing! Still tough to see him go... :(

I'm all for Michelle winning - or Kevin if he can get his head on straight and continue to see through Nat's lies. I'll not be happy if Nat wins, but she is playing something - it's not my kind of game, but she is playing something getting everyone to do her bidding...

Were there no goodbye messages last night? or did I miss them?

[Steveknj]

Best episode of the season. Seeing Justice served to Jeff was just great. I just hope Kevin can win PoV to stick around for a while longer.

vikingguy, as someone who seems to think that the producers were conspiring to have Jeff win, do you STILL think that now? This was a competition tailor made for Nat and she STILL almost blew it. Really, it was a complete guessing game, and there were LOTS of questions in the game that concerned her alliance members.

This is totally disappointing. As what happens most seasons, the strong players get voted out and we have 2 players out of the 4 who have done NOTHING the whole game with a chance to be there at the end. Imagine Jordan and Nat in the finale? Dumb and Dumber.

[mattpol]

Ummm, we're not talking about one of the best BB live-show lines of all time?

(paraphrasing here)

Kevin: In most other circumstances I'd be happy to be handcuffed, bent over a box
Julie: This is a family show.

[loubob57]

Imagine Jordan and Nat in the finale? Dumb and Dumber.

That will suck but not as bad as when it was Jun and Alison. At least I don't think Nat or Jordan are bad people, they just did nothing on their own to get this far. Jun and Alison were evil.

[Steveknj]

That will suck but not as bad as when it was Jun and Alison. At least I don't think Nat or Jordan are bad people, they just did nothing on their own to get this far. Jun and Alison were evil.

Well, I respectfully disagree because I think they actually did play the game and did not just team up with someone and do nothing the whole game. Allison flirted with half the guys to get them to do what they wanted. Jun, I can't recall what she did, but I remember the finale they laid out all what she did to win, and there was quite a bit. But I hated that season too. Nat hung on to Jessie and let Chima and Jessie run everything while she just sat there and did nothing. Jordan just let Jeff run the game the whole way, and Jeff even took her to task on it.

This reminds me of the season when Vesepia won Survivor for doing absolutely nothing the whole game and she won. I think they need to change the rules a bit to give the stronger players a bit more of an advantage. What you might wind up with are a bunch of players who just lie back and do nothing for 8 weeks until they are FORCED to make a move by circumstances.

[Snappa77]

Natalie has been the consigliere behind every major move in BB not involving Jeff. Jessie and Russell have both said she has strategized with them. And poor indecisive spineless Kevin would be lost without her.

I do not think we are watching the same game if you call her a floater on the level of Jordan. And peace pipe smoking 'i don't want blood on my hands' Kevin. She has been involved in moves, made that deal with Jeff AND still played the social game enuff that even Lydia doesn't hate her. If she makes the final 2 vs Kevin or Jordan she deserves to win. Against Michelle there can be an argument made for both.

[Ment]

Yeah Nat was the instigator in two major moves in the game, the Green Room Lie that prevented Michelle and Russell from becoming a powerhouse duo and the Last Minute Lie that got Jeff got. If she kept the blood off her hand doing it all thats good gameplay. I just think she is a horrible person cause of things she does not game related. That said I'd like to see a Nat vs Michelle final two and see their pitches to the jury.

My guess on this week's Pandora's box: Money for Nat to not play POV.

[2004raptor]

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My guess on this week's Pandora's box: Money for Nat to not play POV.

There's another pandora's box? Is that the way past seasons have done it? I hadn't heard it mentioned on the show but certainly might have missed it.

[DancnDude]

There's another pandora's box? Is that the way past seasons have done it? I hadn't heard it mentioned on the show but certainly might have missed it.

It's a new thing this season. But Julie mentioned near the end that Sunday the HoH will get another Pandora's Box choice "that will be sure to change the game". Tuesday is a live show with Veto competition, then eviction, then start of the 3-part HoH.

[2004raptor]

It's a new thing this season. But Julie mentioned near the end that Sunday the HoH will get another Pandora's Box choice "that will be sure to change the game". Tuesday is a live show with Veto competition, then eviction, then start of the 3-part HoH.

Thanks. Must have missed that.

[Steveknj]

Natalie has been the consigliere behind every major move in BB not involving Jeff. Jessie and Russell have both said she has strategized with them. And poor indecisive spineless Kevin would be lost without her.

I do not think we are watching the same game if you call her a floater on the level of Jordan. And peace pipe smoking 'i don't want blood on my hands' Kevin. She has been involved in moves, made that deal with Jeff AND still played the social game enuff that even Lydia doesn't hate her. If she makes the final 2 vs Kevin or Jordan she deserves to win. Against Michelle there can be an argument made for both.

While it's true she was involved in many of the discussions of some of the major moves, I don't think the producers portayed her as either an instigator or even as someone who influenced a HoH. Perhaps she did more of that during the AD or online shows, I don't know as I don't watch that. I have little respect for game players who "can't" win an HoH or veto competition against formidable competition. To me at least it doesn't look like she's been throwing these competitons a la Dr. Will or Dan. She's just losing them. That makes her weak in my book. This week, she won because this competition was tailor made for her. Notice how they played up Michelle's memory problems? That came back to bite her in the HoH. And we don't have to go into Jordan's lack of brains. You're right, I'm probably giving Nat less credit than she deserves, but I think that was the way she has been portrayed. And if her reasoning for winning is to avenge Chima/Jessie, she gets NO points in my book.

[Snappa77]

..... This week, she won because this competition was tailor made for her. Notice how they played up Michelle's memory problems? That came back to bite her in the HoH. And we don't have to go into Jordan's lack of brains. .......


How is that?

It was fact or fiction about stuff that happened OUTSIDE of the house. After the house guests left. There was no memory involved.

Also Jordan was kicking butt in that comp. (I think she misunderstood the final question.)

I thought Michelle would have had a LOCK on that final question. Basic math. I guessed 86 myself. (years of price is right makes me go 1 more than my real guess).

Is there gonna be a veto comp this week?

[DancnDude]

How is that?

It was fact or fiction about stuff that happened OUTSIDE of the house. After the house guests left. There was no memory involved.

Also Jordan was kicking butt in that comp. (I think she misunderstood the final question.)

I thought Michelle would have had a LOCK on that final question. Basic math. I guessed 86 myself. (years of price is right makes me go 1 more than my real guess).

Is there gonna be a veto comp this week?

Live on Tuesday.

[rondotcom]

So...
Come on. 20 cans to win the game, 5 competitors. Jeff barely beat Kevin. So you take 5 times 20 and subtract about 15 or so.

Jordan somehow come up with 226?!? Wha?!?

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She was confused because it was a quarter before the hour

[Fool Me Twice]

Were there no goodbye messages last night? or did I miss them?

Something to do with Pandora's Box maybe? I wonder. Anyway, here's the commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBxoaKG0Kfo

Jeff on the Morning Show and on Inside Dish.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5287853n
http://www.theinsider.com/obsessions/Inside_Dish_with_Ross_Mathews

[ChipMate]

Who was it that said, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely?"

Sheesh, what happened to my sweet, little, 18-year old, Natalie? ;)

Apparently she thinks it is game over now that she is F3. I thought she was smart enough not to gloat in public, but now, for some reason, she thinks Chima is more important than her game.

Chima.

Oh, my lord.

Of course, there is always the chance that she really is as vile and stupid as we all thought early game.

[ChipMate]

I was impressed with how Jeff took Kevin's final insult as he was evicted ("snap, your ... gone, Jeff.") He took it with the knowing smile, that only a self-confident person can achieve.

Kevin, is starting to get pretty snarky himself, as he rises in power/stature.

Dunno where I stand now. I really dislike Michelle for personal reasons (her mumbling, giggling, lack of communication skills), Jordan I love, of course, but she is really ... um, smart (just in case lightning were to strike.)

Kevin, is just Kevin, and Oh, Snap!, not someone I would hang with.

I guess I will still take Natalie to win, even with her faults... althought the Chima one is a big one.

[SoakinginSoap]

I was impressed with how Jeff took Kevin's final insult as he was evicted ("snap, your ... gone, Jeff.") He took it with the knowing smile, that only a self-confident person can achieve.

Kevin, is starting to get pretty snarky himself, as he rises in power/stature.

Dunno where I stand now. I really dislike Michelle for personal reasons (her mumbling, giggling, lack of communication skills), Jordan I love, of course, but she is really ... um, smart (just in case lightning were to strike.)

Kevin, is just Kevin, and Oh, Snap!, not someone I would hang with.

I guess I will still take Natalie to win, even with her faults... althought the Chima one is a big one.
You summed it up perfectly IMO.

What gets me is Kevin is too silly to realize that Natalie will put him up for her own benefit. He is so confident that he is going to win POV. Spineless, who grew a spine with Jeff--have not figured out that if Michelle or Jordan wins--he is in the Jury house and that is EXACTLY what Nat wants. Lie, cheat, steal, stink. That would be our Nat.

[Dnamertz]

I do not think we are watching the same game if you call her a floater on the level of Jordan. And peace pipe smoking 'i don't want blood on my hands' Kevin. She has been involved in moves, made that deal with Jeff

Kevin AND Natalie made the deal with Jeff...and Kevin is the one who actually got Jeff out by nominating and casting the tie-breaking vote. Kevin also executed the lie to Jeff about Russel (even if it might have been Natalie's idea). I agree Kevin has tried to avoid getting blood on his hands as much as possible, but Natalie hasn't gotten any on her hands either. She sat behind people like Jessie and Chima who did the dirty work.

AND still played the social game enuff that even Lydia doesn't hate her.

Did you not see Lydia's exit interview with Julie? She disliked Natalie as much as she disliked everyone else that was left in the house (except Kevin). Kevin also played the social game, in fact he probably will have less enemies in the jury than Natalie.

[Snappa77]

Did you not see Lydia's exit interview with Julie? She disliked Natalie as much as she disliked everyone else that was left in the house (except Kevin). Kevin also played the social game, in fact he probably will have less enemies in the jury than Natalie.

I did. I also saw a pink haired Lydia say to Julie how she was soooo mad a Jessie and that there was gonna be fireworks in the jury house. Then I saw how a black haired Lydia was all goo goo lady gaa gaa over him. :rolleyes:
And do you think Lydia would vote for Michelle or Jordan over Natalie??

Did YOU not see Jeff's exit interview with Julie? All his anger was towards Kevin. And if Jordan goes to the jury she too will have anger towards Kevin cuz when it comes to Jeff, Jordan is monkey see monkey do.

Michelle wasn't too thrilled with Kevin also. And if I remember correctly Jessie was/is pissed at the 'vertebrae challenged' one too. So your theory of Kevin having less enemies than Natalie might need some rethinking.

I know ppl don't like the live feeds and BBAfterDark cuz of spoilers but you guys really should check out the recaps on Thursdays after the live show when everything is caught up. You get a better insight on the house dynamic and not just the edit job the producers do.

[ChipMate]

You summed it up perfectly IMO.

What gets me is Kevin is too silly to realize that Natalie will put him up for her own benefit. He is so confident that he is going to win POV. Spineless, who grew a spine with Jeff--have not figured out that if Michelle or Jordan wins--he is in the Jury house and that is EXACTLY what Nat wants. Lie, cheat, steal, stink. That would be our Nat.I think you are absolutely right, and Kevin still hasn't figured how little he means to Natalie. This is what our Natalie is so good at... Lie, Cheat, steal, stink. :)

Her poclaiming vengeance for Chima after the HOH competition... you know Kevin didn't really care about Chima...but all of a sudden, his best partner does?!

That was a big mistake by Natalie and I think she has a swolllen head and has forgotten about the game.

[Dnamertz]

And do you think Lydia would vote for Michelle or Jordan over Natalie??

No, but I was responding to the part of your assumption that Natalie would beat Kevin in the final two. She would probably beat Jordan, and might beat Michelle depending on how the rest of the competitions play out and whether the jury votes based on relationships, strategy-play, or how they did in competitions.


Did YOU not see Jeff's exit interview with Julie? All his anger was towards Kevin. And if Jordan goes to the jury she too will have anger towards Kevin cuz when it comes to Jeff, Jordan is monkey see monkey do.

I didn't see much anger at all in Jeff's exit interview. Even if Jeff and Jessie are a little pissed at Kevin, I doubt they will vote against him for that. In the 10 seasons of BB, most jury members get over their "anger" and vote based on who played the best game. So as "angry" as Jeff is, remember, "got got" by Kevin so Kevin would probably get his vote.

Michelle wasn't too thrilled with Kevin also. And if I remember correctly Jessie was/is pissed at the 'vertebrae challenged' one too. So your theory of Kevin having less enemies than Natalie might need some rethinking.

It doesn't need rethinking after I saw how pissed Jessie, Lydia, and Russel were when they found out Natalie lied about her age.

And as for "Kevin being lost without Natalie"...look at how Natalie (and Chima and Lydia) reacted when their savior Jessie was evicted.

[Snappa77]

I can see your points. But I think the jury is leaning towards best play and alot of them view Kevin as a SERIOUS floater. Only Jordan (whose head is in the clouds anyways) has floated more.

In the long run I think Spineless screwed himself not saving Lydia.


The "Jessie is gone vigil" makes me LOL everytime I think of it and Kevin's comments. I swear Kev got a majority of his fans from that one segment. That was HILARIOUS.

[Dnamertz]

I can see your points. But I think the jury is leaning towards best play and alot of them view Kevin as a SERIOUS floater. Only Jordan (whose head is in the clouds anyways) has floated more.


There may be some truth to that up until last week, but after he made a promise to Jeff, then broke by not only nominating him but by not using the veto on him, the jury may view him differently. Given what Kevin did last week, I now view him as less of a floater than Natalie (who prior to this week was not directly responsible for getting anyone evicted).