Big Brother 11 9/1/09

[nyny523]

Sorry Jeff - you got got.

At this point the only person I really DO NOT want to see win the money is Natalie. She has done absolutely nothing. She has barely even TRIED, and has ridden coattails the entire game.

Michele is really the only person who has gotten as far as she has on her own steam. I am pulling for her at this point.

[uncdrew]

Nyny said it all.

[nyny523]

Nyny said it all.
As I usually do...:p:D

[uncdrew]

Nyny said it all.

But since I like hearing myself talk, I'll continue... :p


Pretty boring episode that went as expected. And the chasing around dollar bills seemed just kind of cheap, but then again there's nothing else to do in the house.


Nice how Natalie didn't care to include Kevin in the money grab where Jeff went to tell Jordan pretty early on.

I really don't want Natalie to win.

[nyny523]

The money thing was hilarious. I can't believe Kevin even expected Jeff to help him after he screwed him over.

And Natalie shows her true colors.

I was cracking up...

[uncdrew]

As I usually do...:p:D

:D

It was a good summary. Michele proves to be the most worthy contestant of who's left. And I think she has a good shot.

You gotta admit having Kevin, Natalie and Jordan as your competition is about as good as you could wish.



Though Natalie, Lydia and Jordan would be the best. Could you imagine? :p

[jcondon]

Russell's picture was lit up in the opening credits. His name was also with his picture (only evicted house guest that was).

Wonder if he is going to be back? Hope not. I hate that guy.

Natalie and Jordan have both done nothing in this game. It would suck if either won really.

[nyny523]

:D

It was a good summary. Michele proves to be the most worthy contestant of who's left. And I think she has a good shot.

You gotta admit having Kevin, Natalie and Jordan as your competition is about as good as you could wish.



Though Natalie, Lydia and Jordan would be the best. Could you imagine? :p

The best was when Natalie made a comment about how Michele finally did something smart.

Yes, Natalie, because Michele is a PhD research chemist, and you kick people, obviously you are so much smarter than she is...:rolleyes:

[Einselen]

I loved Pandora's box. That was so entertaining.

POV was really anyone's game and some of those were fairly tough. I could get the first face but the second was sometimes tough.

[jcondon]

She kicks nothing. She works at Block Buster. Both 'fighters' haven't done a whole lot of fighting. I think she won some competition as a teenager. Russell best I could find had one fight 5 years ago and lost.

[gossamer88]

I was rooting for Jeff but at this point won't mind seeing Kevin win. At least he's won a couple of challenges.

That comment of Natalie saying Michelle fianally used her brain...wow hope she's next to go.

Could that pandora's box have some kind of consequence on eviction night? Jeff did get the most out of everyone.

Here in NY an NFL preseason game will push the broadcast to 10. Will pad an hour, suggest you do the same.

[Einselen]

I thought Jeff was the best to win. I highly doubt he will be around in two days so I think after that Michele then Kevin then Jordan. That is right I left Nat completely off as I don't think she has done anything in my mind to win this game that I hate seeing her DR comments and all. She talks so much crap and then doesn't seem to really step up.

[SoakinginSoap]

I'm :confused:

Opening the Pandoras Box unleash many evils on mankind. I am still waiting on the other shoe to drop because I don't see anything evil about collecting falling money. They were allowed to keep it.

Maybe NOT letting Kevin out until they had collected all the money--leaving him nothing--would have been the evil?????

[Ment]

The money thing was hilarious. I can't believe Kevin even expected Jeff to help him after he screwed him over.

And Natalie shows her true colors.

I was cracking up...

Yeah that was thoroughly enjoyable. Kev was thinking like 'bitch done gone and left me hangin' :) I hope that's all to Pandora's Box, no go to another game changer plz BB.

The POV challenge was a head-scratcher. No way would I have given Michelle the best odds to win it but she blew everyone away. Just no more crying girl and you got my vote.

[nyny523]

I'm :confused:

Opening the Pandoras Box unleash many evils on mankind. I am still waiting on the other shoe to drop because I don't see anything evil about collecting falling money. They were allowed to keep it.

Maybe NOT letting Kevin out until they had collected all the money--leaving him nothing--would have been the evil?????

I think that was part of it, but the main part (IMO) is seeing how people reacted to the money vs. helping Kevin. I don't blame Jeff at all for not wanting to help him, but if Natalie was my supposed to be my teammate and left me to rot while she scooped up more money instead of saving me? She showed Kevin what she was really about...

[Einselen]

I'm :confused:

Opening the Pandoras Box unleash many evils on mankind. I am still waiting on the other shoe to drop because I don't see anything evil about collecting falling money. They were allowed to keep it.

Maybe NOT letting Kevin out until they had collected all the money--leaving him nothing--would have been the evil?????

I think that was just it. Kevin as HOH would probably be the only one to see the card/door and put his hand in the box. Doing so allowed all the other HG access to the money. Yuo noticed how all of them were grabbing and all and not worried about where Kev was.

[uncdrew]

I loved Pandora's box. That was so entertaining.




Was it just me or were you guys picturing some college intern in that box who grabbed Kevin's arm when he stuck it in there? :p

[vikingguy]

The end was like a dream come true with both Jeff and Jordan on the block. I am still worried the producers will step in and save Jeff some how. I would not mind seeing Kevin or Michele win the money.

[Dnamertz]

The end was like a dream come true with both Jeff and Jordan on the block. I am still worried the producers will step in and save Jeff some how. I would not mind seeing Kevin or Michele win the money.

America (not the producers) likes Jeff. Why do people keep thinking that the producers care who wins?

[Dnamertz]

The money thing was hilarious. I can't believe Kevin even expected Jeff to help him after he screwed him over.


I can't believe that the person who stuck his hand in Pandora's Box was calling other people greedy. Does Kevin even know the meaning of "Pandora's Box"?

Kevin would be smart to keep Jeff over Jordan, it would almost garuntee he will not be the main target next week. It would gain Jeff's trust, so if Jeff won next week he will probably target Michelle (Jeff's next biggest threat). If Michelle won, she would probably target her biggest threat (Jeff).

If he keeps Jordan, Michelle is likely to win HOH next week and her biggest threat will be Kevin. Michelle should have just came out and said to Kevin "if you evict Jeff, WHEN I win HOH next week, I'm nominating you...if you evict Jordan, WHEN either Jeff or myself wins HOH next week we are nominating each other".

[FuzzyDolly]

Remember when BB used to be entertaining, back in the days when they actually had weekly tasks they needed to complete?

[loubob57]

America (not the producers) likes Jeff. Why do people keep thinking that the producers care who wins?

Because they believe in conspiracies.

[ChickenCheese]

Was it just me or were you guys picturing some college intern in that box who grabbed Kevin's arm when he stuck it in there? :p

I was thinking that too. Who's job was it to grab his hand and not
let go! Then I thought maybe it was a tie-in for a new Saw movie and Kevin would have to cut off his hand to escape!

[2004raptor]

I can't understand why Jeff was such a jerk to Michele after the veto competition?

Jeff is totally at fault for teaming up with a horrible player that can't win anything. He definitely hasn't been thinking with his brain. He should have dumped her a few weeks ago and teamed up with Russel or Michele.

And then Michele was being all nice to him (or maybe just blowing smoke?). Since I don't watch the live feeds or spoilers then maybe she was just playing the game but she was very convincing when selling the idea of keeping Jeff to Kevin.

[BWINKLER92]

Remember Kevin would not help his own close teammate Lydia folks. I would have reminded him of that too. Had I found his key I'd suggest tossing it over the wall. Tell the rest the Kevin problem will be over in a few days and that you just got a magic power to destroy an HOH. It sure made sense to collect the money first, I would assume letting him out would end the contest so just never do that. Maybe they would just keep tossing money, see?

[TriBruin]

America (not the producers) likes Jeff. Why do people keep thinking that the producers care who wins?

Because the producers know without America, they have no audience. So, if America likes Jeff (which I think is changing quickly), the producers have a vested interest in keeping him in the house.

[TriBruin]

I can't understand why Jeff was such a jerk to Michele after the veto competition?

Jeff is totally at fault for teaming up with a horrible player that can't win anything. He definitely hasn't been thinking with his brain. He should have dumped her a few weeks ago and teamed up with Russel or Michele.

And then Michele was being all nice to him (or maybe just blowing smoke?). Since I don't watch the live feeds or spoilers then maybe she was just playing the game but she was very convincing when selling the idea of keeping Jeff to Kevin.

Sorry, after Jeff's reaction to the POV competition, I lost a lot of respect for him. Michelle won fair and square and for him to dismiss her like that, was completely on called for.

The problem is after a couple of quick evictions, Jeff got a big head and believed he was "destined" to win the game. Now that he realizes he "got got", he is all mad and whiny. Boo Freaking Who Jeff!

[jcondon]

The problem is after a couple of quick evictions, Jeff got a big head and believed he was "destined" to win the game. Now that he realizes he "got got", he is all mad and whiny. Boo Freaking Who Jeff!

I thought he was a big baby too. He came in 3rd I think so even if Michelle didn't win it he wasn't winning either.

He did say he was sorry later though (which wasn't aired).

[2004raptor]

He did say he was sorry later though (which wasn't aired).

That's one thing I hate about the way they edit things. I guess they can't fit several 24 hour days into a one hour show though.

[BWINKLER92]

BB could have had so much more fun with that box and Kevin, on the screen shown in between scenes of the yard have scenes of big spiders or slugs in a cage, maybe saying don't worry, non poisonous. Jeff could have stuffed a blanket under the door to that room so no one would hear Kevin, and neat things like that. Then gone in the yard and buried the key hoping more cash would fall.

He also could have suggested scary things like "Oh, you put your hand in the spider box for us, thanks!" so Kevin would do any deal with him to get out, I am surprised they would release him in any case without something in return being agreed to. I mean this is a competition, right?

[Frylock]

I thought it was great when AGAIN Natalie claimed she was going to win something. is this the closest she's come yet? 3rd place in a competition? Even Kevin didn't have any faith in her winning something!

[Cindy1230]

Was it just me or were you guys picturing some college intern in that box who grabbed Kevin's arm when he stuck it in there? :p

Totally...! when I first saw the box, I said, someone is in it.
Not sure what kind of mechanism they had any order to lock him in.

[Einselen]

Was it just me or were you guys picturing some college intern in that box who grabbed Kevin's arm when he stuck it in there? :p

I thought that too.

[martinp13]

I wonder if it was Russell in the box... since he was still "in game" in the opening credits. :)

I thought it was obvious what was going to happen... the other houseguests get $10,000 and you get stuck at the box. I'm curious what WOULD have happened if they refused to bring the key upstairs? :)

[uncdrew]

I thought he was a big baby too. He came in 3rd I think so even if Michelle didn't win it he wasn't winning either.

He did say he was sorry later though (which wasn't aired).

Jeff was just pissed about losing. Sometimes you just want to be left alone. He was mad at himself, not Michele. Pretty simple stuff really.

Yes, he handled it poorly. But I'm not at all surprised that he later apologized. That was the right thing to do.



Jeff should have destroyed Kevin's key. Kevin screwed him, might as well leave Kevin in the box all week. :p

[USAFSSO]

I think the Pandoras box thing was a let down after all the build up. Yes it was funny with Kev getting locked in the box and no one really helping him, even Gnat. :) They made it sound like it would change the game, it was just a cash give-a-way.

I see how Gnat has made people think she is just an 18-year-old. You see how she was jumping around Jeff when he was walking up to unlock Kev. She acted just like a little kid.

I understand Jeff not wanting to talk to anyone after the POV. If CBS showed him pushing Michelle and saying "don't talk to me" they need to show him apologizing later.

[Steveknj]

I think the Pandoras box thing was a let down after all the build up. Yes it was funny with Kev getting locked in the box and no one really helping him, even Gnat. :) They made it sound like it would change the game, it was just a cash give-a-way.

I see how Gnat has made people think she is just an 18-year-old. You see how she was jumping around Jeff when he was walking up to unlock Kev. She acted just like a little kid.

I understand Jeff not wanting to talk to anyone after the POV. If CBS showed him pushing Michelle and saying "don't talk to me" they need to show him apologizing later.

I agree with this. I thought it was going to be something that changed the game, this was just a money grab. In the end, I doubt it will change much between Natalie and Kevin.

I am trying to figure out a scenario that Michelle WON'T win at this point, unless Kevin wins veto. How I see it playing out is:

Since Kevin can't play and the other two are useless, Michelle wins HoH. She puts up Kev/Nat. If Kevin wins veto, then Jordan goes up, and probably goes home. If he doesn't then he goes home.

The following week, all three can play, Michelle again wins HoH and takes Natale with her to the final two. Even if the vote is split 3-3 (with Jessie/Lydia/Kevin voting for Natalie, then America votes to break the tie and would vote Michelle.

[Dnamertz]

Sorry, after Jeff's reaction to the POV competition, I lost a lot of respect for him. Michelle won fair and square and for him to dismiss her like that, was completely on called for.


Just 5 seconds earlier he found out he lost $500,000...he was devastated, as most people would be. He later admitted he was mad at himself, but can you blame him for not wanting to be consoled at that very second?

[ChipMate]

Yeah, we can.

Remember his "naaaaaa naaaaa" rise from his chair to backdoor Jessie with his coup de etat power?

"It's just a game, bro.," he tells Jessie as he ends Jessie's game.

[Dnamertz]

Yeah, we can.

Remember his "naaaaaa naaaaa" rise from his chair to backdoor Jessie with his coup de etat power?

"It's just a game, bro.," he tells Jessie as he ends Jessie's game.

And do you remember Jessie pushing Kevin away as Kevin tried to say goodbye? Jessie was pissed about losing a good shot at $500,000...as was Jeff...as would most people.

[Dnamertz]

Anyone notice how demanding Natalie is? Remember when Chima left her mic in the house, Natalie kept telling (not asking) Kevin to go inside and get it. And in last night's episode when the money was falling from the sky she said "someone go get Kevin"...and by "someone" she meant "anyone but me". If you want Kevin, stop collecting the cash and get him yourself!

[ChipMate]

Aight, you got me there. They both are discks. :)

I've heard all the bad stuff about Natalie, ad naseum... she is Final 4, and a force to be reckoned with.

[Dnamertz]

I've heard all the bad stuff about Natalie, ad naseum... she is Final 4, and a force to be reckoned with.

She is only a force to be reckoned with if you are Jordan. Best she can do against Kevin and Michelle is 2nd place.

Why is Kevin still concerned about "getting blood on his hands" at this point (in regards to Michelle winning Veto so he didn't have to win it and not use it on Jeff)? I understand not making strategic moves early in the game to not put a target on your back, but at this stage you better start making yourself stand out by doing some of the dirty work...otherwise you are going to get to the final two and when the jury asks "why do you deserve to win", all you can say is "well, I didn't do much...I won a veto but didn't use it to save my team-mate (Lydia) because I didn't want to make other people mad at me, then I won HOH and partially went back on my word to Jeff but I avoided getting my hands completely dirty because Michelle won the veto so I didn't have to use it". Make some moves, and own them.

[Ment]

Anyone notice how demanding Natalie is? Remember when Chima left her mic in the house, Natalie kept telling (not asking) Kevin to go inside and get it. And in last night's episode when the money was falling from the sky she said "someone go get Kevin"...and by "someone" she meant "anyone but me". If you want Kevin, stop collecting the cash and get him yourself!

Natalie is a lazy PITA on the network show and feeds. She is a really good manipulator i.e L.M.L., the fact the Michelle, Jordo, Jeff STILL think she's 18, but otherwise a pretty crappy human being. God I wish I could edit this show.

[nmiller855]

I realize that Natalie was raised by a single dad for a while but surely someone had to be around to teach her manners including table manners. It looks to me like her dad let her run the show & do anything she wanted thus allowing her sense of entitlement & horrible smacking.

[Dnamertz]

Natalie is a lazy PITA on the network show and feeds. She is a really good manipulator i.e L.M.L., the fact the Michelle, Jordo, Jeff STILL think she's 18, but otherwise a pretty crappy human being. God I wish I could edit this show.

I don't know if she is a good manipulator, or if she is just naturally immature enough that she acts 18 when she really isn't. Let's see her act mature enough to convince them she is 28.

[ChipMate]

She is 4 people away, from winning $500,000 in a social game.

I don't get the hate, and admit that I would like to see her win.

Even if it means Jessie and Chima smile.

[Dnamertz]

She is 4 people away, from winning $500,000 in a social game.

I don't get the hate, and admit that I would like to see her win.

Even if it means Jessie and Chima smile.

Whatever hate there might be relates to your last statement. I don't want to give Chima the satisfaction of having someone from her "team" win. I don't hate Natalie, she is not Chima, but I do not like her attitude much of the time.

I agree with you about this being a social game. I've always thought that being a "floater" is a very effective strategy to get to the end because no one perceives you as a threat. But I've seen enough of these shows to know that it is not a strategy that will get you voted the winner. So that is why I say she will do no better than 2nd place...unless she is in the final two with the other floater, Jordan.

[ChipMate]

I think that is Kevin and hers plan. They have to beat Michelle this week, and then whomever wins, Kevin or Natalie takes Jordan to F2.

[Einselen]

You gotta play to win and the only person doing that left in the house is Jeff. Everyone else is playing to stay longer and that is why Jeff is going home this week, he is the only one out of five that will win if left in the game.

Heck if I was Jeff these last few days I would be fighting trying to convince people that the jury house hates me and you want me there in the final 2 sitting next to you as they like you and hate me since I sent them there. In the end though most logical people (not saying much for that jury house) will vote gameplay over grudges, but I think Nat and Kevin for sure would possibly take that bait and go with it.

[ChipMate]

I disagree. I think Jeff is far to well liked and respected to let him throught to F2.

That's why he is gone this week.

[Einselen]

I disagree. I think Jeff is far to well liked and respected to let him throught to F2.

That's why he is gone this week.

We both agree that Jeff in F2 against anyone will win. However he needs to spin it to trick people in the house to keeping him. What he needs to do though is play the game and go up to Nat mostly and be like, "Look, the jury hates me. I sent Jessie home, I made Chima quit and I sent Lydia back to her main squeeze and I stabbed Russel in the back and sent him packing. The jury house will be upset as I was against them and beat them and I am sitting in the final 2. You will get all the votes."

Thing is I think most of the jury will look at it the other way and say he was playing the game and he sent Jessie and Russel out because they were his biggest threats. I mean maybe Nat will bite maybe she won't but you are going home so might as well just give it a try and hope Nat is dumb enough to at least keep you this week.

[Einselen]

there isn't a chance Jeff survives tomorrow night.

It's just not possible.

Yeah chances are slim and it was in his hands to win POV to protect himself but I hope he didn't just sit around the last few days counting down until evicted I hope he did make an attempt to convince them to keep him. Hard argument to really make to those that understand the game but he was playing the game up to the POV so not sure why he wouldn't give it one last hail mary type of shot.

Edit: Quoted post was removed but still think the point should stand.

[ChipMate]

I deleted my post because I had made assuptions that just weren't true.

Sorry, Einselen.

While I agree that Jeff should fight, I think it is hopeless, and he "got got."

[Einselen]

While I agree that Jeff should fight, I think it is hopeless, and he "got got."

Hopeless probably but ya got nothing to lose.

Also I don't think he really "got got". I really hope he didn't believe Nat and Kevin. Only he will know the truth as he can 1) Know he couldn't trust them or 2) Think he could trust them but then later say in interviews "it was a bold move and I knew I was the only one who could save myself". I think he made the move knowing it was bold but if he could make it this week then he would win.

Like I said before he was playing to win and not playing to stay another week. What is the point on going on this show if you are not playing to win the entire thing? Sure fun experience some money here, but you want that top prize. Sure you are happy with say the trips, extra money you won and whatever you get for 5th place, but you really want that win. That is why there is always the large jump between Grand/1st and Runner Up. They want people to fight hard for that win and just not be content with runner up.

[ChipMate]

While I will respect Jeff's play to win, I think he did it too early.

He had to get rid of Natalie or Kevin, as either one in the finals, beats him. Just as they will beat Jordan, and probably Michelle. They just made more friends.

Instead he dumps Russell, which is fine, but has zero jury votes.

Wgile Russell is a strong competitor, if Jeff is as great as everone makes out, he's not a problem for Jeff (or Michelle) and whom wouldn't be better to be against in F2 than Russell?

[flyers088]

Before the POV competition I thought Jordan was as dumb as a box of rocks, but now I think I am giving Jordan too much credit! 5 minutes!!!!

[Steveknj]

Whatever hate there might be relates to your last statement. I don't want to give Chima the satisfaction of having someone from her "team" win. I don't hate Natalie, she is not Chima, but I do not like her attitude much of the time.

I agree with you about this being a social game. I've always thought that being a "floater" is a very effective strategy to get to the end because no one perceives you as a threat. But I've seen enough of these shows to know that it is not a strategy that will get you voted the winner. So that is why I say she will do no better than 2nd place...unless she is in the final two with the other floater, Jordan.

I agree with this. The floater strategy worked early in the history of these types of games (remember Tina in Survivor?). Back then it was more of a popularity contest. But these days, I've even seen steadfast teammates vote against the floater if they feel they didn't do enough, or if the other person really played them and that's how they got there (Think Dan last year). Natalie might make it to the final 2, but I can't see her beating anyone. Even Jordan can say she's won a challenge.

[Steveknj]

You gotta play to win and the only person doing that left in the house is Jeff. Everyone else is playing to stay longer and that is why Jeff is going home this week, he is the only one out of five that will win if left in the game.

Heck if I was Jeff these last few days I would be fighting trying to convince people that the jury house hates me and you want me there in the final 2 sitting next to you as they like you and hate me since I sent them there. In the end though most logical people (not saying much for that jury house) will vote gameplay over grudges, but I think Nat and Kevin for sure would possibly take that bait and go with it.

This is kind of why I'd like to see them change the rule that you cannot be HoH on consecutive weeks. What happens is the strong players wind up getting knocked off because they are a threat and weak players who have joined a strong alliance wind up winning. Survivor lets you win consecutive challenges and you usually get a much stronger player winning. Outside of perhaps Will, Dan or ED, most of the winners of this game have not been the dominant players, and even in those cases, they didn't always win challenges to get there. Think of some of the strong players like Janelle or Kaiser, and they don't win because of this rule.I guess you can say that's part of the strategy, lose challenges, lay in the weeds and then pounce at the opportune moment. I'd also like to change the Veto rule to make it where everyone can play, so that will prevent the backdoor from being the "be all and end all" strategy that seems everyone uses now.

[Steveknj]

While I will respect Jeff's play to win, I think he did it too early.

He had to get rid of Natalie or Kevin, as either one in the finals, beats him. Just as they will beat Jordan, and probably Michelle. They just made more friends.

Instead he dumps Russell, which is fine, but has zero jury votes.

Wgile Russell is a strong competitor, if Jeff is as great as everone makes out, he's not a problem for Jeff (or Michelle) and whom wouldn't be better to be against in F2 than Russell?

Except there's no guarantee that those votes would be against Jeff. I think the ONLY one who Nat or Kevin definitely gets is Lydia. Jessie definitely would respect Jeff's game play. So does Russell. Even Kevin if he was on the jury probably would have voted for Jeff if he went to the final two. When it comes down to it, the jury almost always votes for the best player, not their friends.

[Steveknj]

Before the POV competition I thought Jordan was as dumb as a box of rocks, but now I think I am giving Jordan too much credit! 5 minutes!!!!

It's funny, there are flashes of time where she seems smarter than she acts, but I do think she's got nothing on a box of rocks :)

[Jebberwocky!]

When it comes down to it, the jury almost always votes for the best player, not their friends.

I think the jury bases some of their decision on how well the F2 sells themselves at the end.

[Steveknj]

I think the jury bases some of their decision on how well the F2 sells themselves at the end.

And usually the best player has more to sell than the floater who's done nothing.

[uncdrew]

It's funny, there are flashes of time where she seems smarter than she acts, but I do think she's got nothing on a box of rocks :)

I try not to be mean, and I know perhaps it's not common knowledge, but...

1. How do spiders make webs?
2. What's the difference between a peach and a nectarine?
3. What does "quarter after three?" mean?

Yeah, not too bright.

[Einselen]

While I will respect Jeff's play to win, I think he did it too early.

He had to get rid of Natalie or Kevin, as either one in the finals, beats him. Just as they will beat Jordan, and probably Michelle. They just made more friends.

Instead he dumps Russell, which is fine, but has zero jury votes.

Wgile Russell is a strong competitor, if Jeff is as great as everone makes out, he's not a problem for Jeff (or Michelle) and whom wouldn't be better to be against in F2 than Russell?

Jeff had to dump Russel though when he could as Russel provided to be a major threat. When it comes down to F3 the HOH chooses who to take to the Final 2. If Russell was hanging around for F3 he would have a good chance to beat Jeff in the final HOH IMHO. If Russell won HOH and had to choose between Jeff and any of the other players (Michele, Nat, Kevin or Jordan) who would do you think he would choose? Jeff would be the VERY bottom of that list.

Let's just say Russell was kept and Kevin was voted out. So there is J/J/M/R/N left. Jeff can't play in HOH comp. Russell or Michele would probably win. Russell won't put himself up and Michele wouldn't put Russell up. So now we would be down to Final Four of J/J/M/R (assuming M/R would be true to the Final 4 comment). This week the HOH only 100% protects you to the F3, your nominations don't really matter as if one of the other 3 remaining player wins POV then they are safe the other two are on the block and the POV winner chooses who to go home. If the HOH wins then the HOH gets to choose who is on the block and who is the remaining person to cast the vote.

So looking at it Jeff had the HOH and POV both that week at 6 remaining and did the correct time to get rid of Russell. Sure Jeff probably could be in the Final 4 (not sure I trusted Russell's Final 4 comment after he was evicted) but he would have a very hard time getting to the F2. Jeff made a move where he thought he was being targeted anyway and if made it through this week he almost have F2 (and the win) locked up.

[Einselen]

I try not to be mean, and I know perhaps it's not common knowledge, but...

1. How do spiders make webs?
2. What's the difference between a peach and a nectarine?
3. What does "quarter after three?" mean?

Yeah, not too bright.

I wouldn't know number 2 off the top of my head. Also a nectarine is a cultivar group of peach (thanks Wikipedia :D).

Also quarter after three if not been used around you before I could see how it would be tough. Now the explanation after were her math skills were lacking some that was entertaining, but also at the same time if they don't want to learn how to logically figure it out they will be doing the same thing Jordan was, not really listening and forgetting what numbers she should be referring back to.

[Ment]

I try not to be mean, and I know perhaps it's not common knowledge, but...

1. How do spiders make webs?
2. What's the difference between a peach and a nectarine?
3. What does "quarter after three?" mean?

Yeah, not too bright.

1) They shoot them out of their wrists..
2) They taste the same
3) I ask somebody.

Don't be stupid.. :P

[dolfer]

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[Dnamertz]

He had to get rid of Natalie or Kevin, as either one in the finals, beats him....They just made more friends.


I think this is completely wrong. The only people on the jury who I think will vote based on friendship is Lydia (she will vote for Kevin) and Jordan (for Jeff). But how many other real friends do Kevin or Natalie have on the jury?

If the final two came down to Jeff vs Kevin/Natalie the jury would be made up of Jessie, Lydia, Russel, Jordan, Michelle and Kevin/Natalie. Jessie, Russel and Michelle would likely vote based on gameplay (for Jeff) and Natalie/Kevin might do the same (they don't like each other that much over Jeff) and Lydia said she didn't care for Natalie.

Unless there is an extreme friendship (or hatred), the history of jury votes shows they usually vote based on gameplay.

[mattack]

I wouldn't know number 2 off the top of my head. Also a nectarine is a cultivar group of peach (thanks Wikipedia :D).

Also quarter after three if not been used around you before I could see how it would be tough. Now the explanation after were her math skills were lacking some that was entertaining, but also at the same time if they don't want to learn how to logically figure it out they will be doing the same thing Jordan was, not really listening and forgetting what numbers she should be referring back to.

I knew they were the same species beforehand, but I actually give her a tiny bit of benefit of the doubt on that one. I think most people don't know it.

The fact that she knows that an hour has 60 minutes in it, then is asked (almost quote) "How much is in a quarter of an hour?", she says 25, over and over and over when Jeff was even giving "hints" (kind of like Jay Leno does on Jaywalking).. That is stupid.

[KyleLC]

I wonder if it was Russell in the box... since he was still "in game" in the opening credits. :)Since his name was in the opening credits, I was expecting him to come out of that box at some point.