True Blood 7/19/09 "Never Let Me Go" *Spoilers* [Text View]

Rickvz

07-20-2009, 01:02 AM

Having read the first 6 books this summer (and most of the 7th) I would say that Stan is somewhat different than the book description. Also interesting to see the flashback from Eric's past. Looking forward to seeing how Sookie's infiltration of the Fellowship goes.

Cearbhaill

07-20-2009, 08:44 AM

I will comment again after tonights rewatch, but Sookie annoyed me no end this week- I find the scenes between her and Bill to be horribly acted with zero chemistry. For a real life couple to come off this squicky while in character baffles me, and they are boring as heck.

I find the secondary characters so much more interesting- Eric's backstory, Jessica and Hoyt, LaFayette- they are all much more compelling than Sookie.

MaryAnn in Gran's clothes waiting at the table, creepy.

tem

07-20-2009, 10:42 AM

and MaryAnn is obviously lying about the house .... Wasn't that the same place from where Sam stole her money when he was young ?

Shaunnick

07-20-2009, 11:29 AM

and MaryAnn is obviously lying about the house .... Wasn't that the same place from where Sam stole her money when he was young ?

I don't think so. It seems like Sam met MaryAnn at a different location and she somehow showed up in Bon Temps without his knowledge. So who knows whose house it was.

So I was thinking some more. Godric looked like he was from South America. Did anyone else get that feel. And based on his name I assumed he was of some sort of European descent. So what would he be doing traipsing around Europe 1000 years ago?

David Platt

07-20-2009, 11:14 PM

I think I may finally have a handle on what Mary Ann is supposed to be. This is purely speculation on my part, so not spoilered. Taken from the wikipedia entry for the sorceress Circe:

In Homer's Odyssey, Circe is described as living in a mansion that stands in the middle of a clearing in a dense wood. Around the house prowled lions and wolves, the drugged victims of her magic; they were not dangerous, and fawned on all newcomers. Circe worked at a huge loom. She invited Odysseus' crew to a feast, the food laced with one of her magical potions, and she turned them all into pigs with a wand after they gorged themselves on it.

Edited to add: something I missed the first time is that Circe was also the sister of Pasiphaë, the mother of the Minotaur.

phox_mulder

07-21-2009, 02:29 PM

Godric looked like he was from South America. Did anyone else get that feel. And based on his name I assumed he was of some sort of European descent. So what would he be doing traipsing around Europe 1000 years ago?

Yes, Incan or Mayan would be my guess.

Maybe his Incan or Mayan name is not pronouncable, so he changed it to something more European?

Wouldn't you ask about huge scars on your sex partners back? Sam clearly saw them at least twice, and didn't even flinch.
(where did they go when she became the deer?)

phox

busyba

07-21-2009, 03:22 PM

Wouldn't you ask about huge scars on your sex partners back? Sam clearly saw them at least twice, and didn't even flinch.

If I can get a hot girl to be willing to get naked in front of me, I'm not saying anything to make her self-conscious about it. :D

Shaunnick

07-21-2009, 05:22 PM

If I can get a hot girl to be willing to get naked in front of me, I'm not saying anything to make her self-conscious about it. :D

"Holy sh1t, what happened to your back!" doesn't get them randy? :D

busyba

07-21-2009, 05:29 PM

"Holy sh1t, what happened to your back!" doesn't get them randy? :D

Sadly, no.

And I'm never going to make that mistake again.

Rob Helmerichs

07-21-2009, 08:16 PM

So I was thinking some more. Godric looked like he was from South America. Did anyone else get that feel. And based on his name I assumed he was of some sort of European descent. So what would he be doing traipsing around Europe 1000 years ago?
He's 2000 years old, so I doubt he's South American (or any kind of American).

The name is Germanic. The actor is Danish. So probably a pre-Scandinavian Germanic barbarian from Roman times.

Shaunnick

07-21-2009, 08:17 PM

Rob Helmerichs

07-21-2009, 08:34 PM

This is why we keep Rob around. :D
Yeah, for all his annoying qualities, he can be useful once in a while.

Wait a minute...

busyba

07-21-2009, 09:02 PM

Rob Helmerichs

07-21-2009, 09:28 PM

Are you talking about Godrick or Eric?
Godric's the one he was asking about...

busyba

07-22-2009, 01:45 AM

Godric's the one he was asking about...

I know, I just thought you might have been confused because the actor playing Godrick didn't look Danish to me at all, and the guy playing Eric does.

But in hindsight, I think I'm mixing up Danes and Swedes.

Rob Helmerichs

07-22-2009, 07:00 AM

I know, I just thought you might have been confused because the actor playing Godrick didn't look Danish to me at all, and the guy playing Eric does.

But in hindsight, I think I'm mixing up Danes and Swedes.
Godric (not Godrick) is played by Allan Hyde, who is Danish. Alexander Skarsgård is Eric, and he's Swedish.

Danes do tend to be less...blond than Swedes. And judging by Hyde's name, I'm guessing there might be a touch of something else in his ancestry. ;)

Cearbhaill

07-22-2009, 09:26 AM

Somehow I got it into my mind that Godric is a Pict- in one of the books the emphasis on his body being completely covered in tattoos was pointed out repeatedly.
Vikings were all over the British Isles at that point so I guess he could be from any number of tribes, though, and even then that's assuming he was a local.

Rob Helmerichs

07-22-2009, 09:49 AM

Somehow I got it into my mind that Godric is a Pict

Vikings were all over the British Isles at that point so I guess he could be from any number of tribes, though, and even then that's assuming he was a local.
If his name is really Godric, then he's no Pict. The only people who would be named Godric 2000 years ago were Germanic barbarians (in Eastern Europe and Scandinavia). There were no Vikings yet, and the Picts were non-Germanic people.

aindik

07-22-2009, 09:55 AM

So, apart from Godric's origin, where was that scene set when Eric was made, in circa 1000 AD?

Rob Helmerichs

07-22-2009, 09:58 AM

So, apart from Godric's origin, where was that scene set when Eric was made, in circa 1000 AD?
It would have been somewhere in Northern Europe or Britain, but they didn't say specifically.

aindik

07-22-2009, 10:51 AM

It would have been somewhere in Northern Europe or Britain, but they didn't say specifically.

What was that language they were speaking? Middle English?

Rob Helmerichs

07-22-2009, 11:08 AM

What was that language they were speaking? Middle English?
It should have been Old Norse, but I suspect it was probably just modern Danish/Norwegian (I can't tell the difference when spoken, but it was definitely a Scandinavian language)...

Cearbhaill

07-22-2009, 12:07 PM

Godric is often credited as Godric (Godfrey), which suits the time frame and locale a bit better.

I thought it was Swedish?
I know Skarsgard helped folks with their pronunciation.

busyba

07-22-2009, 12:47 PM

Why weren't they wearing helmets with giant horns on them? :)

Anubys

07-22-2009, 11:22 PM

did Eric actually fly to Dallas (not via plane)?

Cearbhaill

07-23-2009, 07:09 AM

did Eric actually fly to Dallas (not via plane)?
Yes.

Shaunnick

07-23-2009, 10:07 AM

Yes.

LOL I wondered that also after his comment when he left Lafayette. Why did Bill and Jessica have to be put in a coffin? Is it just an age thing, with time comes more power again?

Cearbhaill

07-23-2009, 10:31 AM

LOL I wondered that also after his comment when he left Lafayette. Why did Bill and Jessica have to be put in a coffin? Is it just an age thing, with time comes more power again?
I would assume that the flight they were on involved daylight hours?
I don't know- looks like Anubis Air would schedule only night flights.

Not all vampires can fly, it is just Eric's special talent.

busyba

07-23-2009, 02:13 PM

I don't know- looks like Anubis Air would schedule only night flights.

BTW, anybody else giggle when they heard the name of the airline? :)

Fl_Gulfer

07-23-2009, 02:52 PM

heySkippy

07-23-2009, 03:03 PM

So you think there was no one living in South America 2000 years ago?

Since Rob is an historian, I'd bet he has a better idea than most of us.

Jeeters

07-23-2009, 03:37 PM

So you think there was no one living in South America 2000 years ago?I thought the question wasn't whether people were in South America 2000 ago, but of whether they knew about Europe, and knew a way to get there, 2000 years ago.

Cearbhaill

07-23-2009, 04:41 PM

Godric is 2000 years old, yes.

But Eric Northman was born in 1046, and assuming he was around 25 when turned, that scene would have taken place only 938 years ago :D
I don't think even Rob knows everything there is to know about what sort of vampire transportation options were available in 1071.

busyba

07-23-2009, 04:59 PM

I don't think even Rob knows everything there is to know about what sort of vampire transportation options were available in 1071.

Don't be so sure!

Rob Helmerichs

07-23-2009, 05:15 PM

I thought the question wasn't whether people were in South America 2000 ago, but of whether they knew about Europe, and knew a way to get there, 2000 years ago.
Exactly.

Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Godric to be a Native American, because Native Americans did not travel to Europe. And OBVIOUSLY nothing happens in True Blood that would contradict historical fact! Expecting a Native American vampire 2000 years ago to have knowledge of Europe is PURE SCIENCE FICTION and the notion should be REJECTED UTTERLY!

(Please note my firm and careful use of capitalization, which should eliminate ALL DOUBT!)

A bit more seriously, however, while it is certainly conceivable that the writers have decided Godric is a Native American, it would not be a terribly likely decision. Even in the fantasy world of True Blood, I am confident in my belief that he is some kind of Germanic barbarian.

Anubys

07-23-2009, 05:53 PM

BTW, anybody else giggle when they heard the name of the airline? :)

I thought the name was not spelled correctly...

lesleaz

08-03-2009, 08:05 AM

It should have been Old Norse, but I suspect it was probably just modern Danish/Norwegian (I can't tell the difference when spoken, but it was definitely a Scandinavian language)...

Modern swedish actually but with an old-fashioned twist on some of the sentences. One of the Vikings speaks with a slight finnish-swedish accent though.

Amnesia

08-03-2009, 08:15 AM

One of the Vikings speaks with a slight finnish-swedish accent though.I'm sure his buddies used to give him a hard time about that over many a cup of mead...

lesleaz

08-03-2009, 10:47 AM

haha yeah

Rickvz

08-03-2009, 07:07 PM

I have read the first eight books this summer and really enjoyed them. I downloaded the ninth book as an ebook from Barnes and Noble and am reading it now.

Personally, I don't find the TV series as inferior to the books. There were some differences between the first book and the first TV season, especially considering
Lafayette was found dead at the end of the first book which did make the start of this season a major shock for me.

The second season does seem to differ somewhat more than the second book with some major differences, in my opinion. I've had no problem enjoying both the books and the show. YMMV

Rob Helmerichs

08-03-2009, 07:56 PM

Personally, I don't find the TV series as inferior to the books. There were some differences between the first book and the first TV season, especially considering
Lafayette was found dead at the end of the first book which did make the start of this season a major shock for me.
Apparently the same thing was supposed to happen in the TV series. Bell changed his mind early on, but didn't tell the actor until the season was over. :D

bobino

08-04-2009, 01:27 PM

He's 2000 years old, so I doubt he's South American (or any kind of American).

The name is Germanic. The actor is Danish. So probably a pre-Scandinavian Germanic barbarian from Roman times.

Offering an alternative theory:

Weren't there Vikings in North America 1000 years ago? If Godric is a South American native, then it wouldn't be a stretch that he is in North America 1000 years after his birth.

The question then becomes, how does Godric know Eric's language?

-Bob

aindik

08-04-2009, 01:29 PM

When in this universe did it become known to humans that vampires exist?

I thought it was not until the advent of True Blood (the drink).

Amnesia

08-04-2009, 01:51 PM

When in this universe did it become known to humans that vampires exist?

I thought it was not until the advent of True Blood (the drink).Yes, that's right. (Though the name of the drink is "Tru Blood"; no 'e')

Rob Helmerichs

08-04-2009, 01:53 PM

Offering an alternative theory:

Weren't there Vikings in North America 1000 years ago? If Godric is a South American native, then it wouldn't be a stretch that he is in North America 1000 years after his birth.

The question then becomes, how does Godric know Eric's language?

-Bob
The other question is, why were Native Americans giving themselves Germanic names? ;)

Are you seriously suggesting that there's even a slim chance he's Native American? Because that would be just bizarre, even in a show about vampires.

busyba

08-04-2009, 01:54 PM

I don't know when it was, but I do know they refer to it as "The Great Revelation". The Dallas vamp played by the guy who was on Eureka made mention of that a few episodes ago.

bobino

08-04-2009, 08:00 PM

The other question is, why were Native Americans giving themselves Germanic names? ;)

Are you seriously suggesting that there's even a slim chance he's Native American? Because that would be just bizarre, even in a show about vampires.

Is anything really serious with this show?

Nah, I was just offering another explanation as to why he appeared to be native south american as was discussed earlier. I didn't think of his name. That's a good point.

Do vampires grow hair?

-Bob