New Buffy Movie Being Made - As A Reboot - Without Joss Whedon

[FilmCritic3000]

Behold the inanity!

http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=426621

[marksman]

there is hope since the original buffy movie was better than the series.

go luke perry!

[stellie93]

What! I see no smilies, but that must be sarcasm. :confused:

[Aniketos]

What! I see no smilies, but that must be sarcasm. :confused:

No, just bad taste.

I find it ironic that they want to go darker with the movie since they screwed up the original by lightening it up.

[marksman]

What! I see no smilies, but that must be sarcasm. :confused:

Not sarcasm. Buffy the tv series... SNOOZE fest.

Buffy the movie, campy fun!

[bengalfreak]

Not sarcasm. Buffy the tv series... SNOOZE fest.

Buffy the movie, campy fun!

that movie got a 5.3 on IMDB making it just short of awful. .

[cheesesteak]

The movie was campy fun. Not terrible, not great and certainly not memorable.

[Hunter Green]

I think there are a lot of us out here who found the movie amusing ("campy fun" sounds about right) but the show boring and hard to get into. We just don't speak up much because all the show's fans are so unequivocal and non-understanding about it.

[Rob Helmerichs]

We just don't speak up much because all the show's fans are so unequivocal and non-understanding about it.
Oh, we understand perfectly.

And we pity you, really we do.

:D

[Alfer]

I think there are a lot of us out here who found the movie amusing ("campy fun" sounds about right) but the show boring and hard to get into. We just don't speak up much because all the show's fans are so unequivocal and non-understanding about it.

You mean crazy cult'ish in their devotion...:D

[NJChris]

And people that loved the show are called crazy cult'tish members...:rolleyes::confused::eek:

[Rob Helmerichs]

And people that loved the show are called crazy cult'tish members...:rolleyes::confused::eek:
Yeah, I just don't get it...what's up with that?!?

[DreadPirateRob]

Oh, we understand perfectly.

And we pity you, really we do.

:D

:D

[twhiting9275]

The Kuzui's have had involvement with the Buffy series (and the angel spinoff), much more than I'd say Joss ever did.

Whilst Joss is the original creator, they have to pay him some sort of rights for using his characters, I'm sure. He didn't write too much of it, nor did he produce much of it, his name was just there.

If the Kuzui's have done this, I'd say there's a 50/50 chance it'll be worth watching. The series was alright (took a while to get started), the movie was horrible, we'll see what they can do with a new movie.

If nothing else, I'd bet you'd get a TON of fanboy's (and girls) to go and see it, myself included. SMG has stated she wouldn't do a Buffy thing for a very, very long time (and, really, can you blame her for not wanting to go near something that took her life over for 7 years??), so there's probably not much of a chance the originals will come back at all.

Let's see what they do with this before we jump on the "I hate Kuzui" bandwagon, ehh? They have the rights, and they did decent by both Angel and Buffy.

[Rob Helmerichs]

The Kuzui's have had involvement with the Buffy series (and the angel spinoff), much more than I'd say Joss ever did.

Whilst Joss is the original creator, they have to pay him some sort of rights for using his characters, I'm sure. He didn't write too much of it, nor did he produce much of it, his name was just there.
Uh, no. Just...no.

Their name was on the series because they owned the rights. Whedon's production company (Mutant Enemy) made the show. He supervised all of it, and most of it very closely. He wrote a fair number of episodes himself (25), and directed several (22--OK, more than several).

I have never heard that the Kuzuis so much as showed up for meetings.

Whatever you think of the relative merits of the series and the movie, the series was Whedon's baby and the movie was the Kuzuis'.

[twhiting9275]

Their name was on the series because they owned the rights. Whedon's production company (Mutant Enemy) made the show. He supervised all of it, and most of it very closely. He wrote a fair number of episodes himself (25), and directed several (22--OK, more than several).
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You don't just throw someone an "executive producer" title fo no work. Besides, if this was the case, they would have been credited with ALL of the episodes of Angel, as well as ALL of the episodes of Buffy, instead of a good majority of them

Buffy was an enterprise in and of itself, and the Kuzui's were just as involved (if not moreso) as Joss. In '97, Joss turned over the day to day running of things to Noxon, while the Kuzui's continued to work. Add to that the fact that there are two of them, and one of him, and well, you get double the work.

I'm not saying that Joss shouldn't be involved here, because he is, but Joss is Joss. He's got his own stuff to do. He's got 2 movies and Dollhouse to put together, so he's got his own deals to work through now, and a new Buffy movie would just be way too much for him to do.


I have never heard that the Kuzuis so much as showed up for meetings.

And I never heard that the sky is blue either. I guess because you never heard that, and I never heard that neither are true. No, again, this falls back to the fact that they were executive producers, and had a huge hand in the day to day of BOTH Buffy AND Angel. You don't just get to be an exec. producer for nothing, at least back then you didn't.

Whatever you think of the relative merits of the series and the movie, the series was Whedon's baby and the movie was the Kuzuis'.
From a writing perspective, perhaps, but from a producers perspective, and running of the show, absolutely not. This is WHY he's not credited as an exec, or even a producer on most of the shows, but as a writer. He is an excellent writer, but the show moves on without him

[twhiting9275]

here's (http://www.fearnet.com/news/b15672_five_reasons_why_new_buffy_might_be.html?utm_source=f earnet&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_imdb) another excellent read on why this would work without Joss.

[LoadStar]

Uh, no. Just...no.

Their name was on the series because they owned the rights. Whedon's production company (Mutant Enemy) made the show. He supervised all of it, and most of it very closely. He wrote a fair number of episodes himself (25), and directed several (22--OK, more than several).

I have never heard that the Kuzuis so much as showed up for meetings.

Whatever you think of the relative merits of the series and the movie, the series was Whedon's baby and the movie was the Kuzuis'.

Agreed. Also, many, many episodes that he wasn't responsible for writing, he edited and added portions to, to more closely match his vision for the series and to improve the feel of the script. After all, that was his original forte in Hollywood, doing script doctoring.

You'd be able to tell if (at least) Fran Kubel Kuzui was involved. Joss' original idea for the movie was more like the series, but Fran totally disagreed. It was Fran that changed the movie into what we saw, a comically campy piece of trash, and she would have done the same to the series as well, had she been involved.

The Kuzui's had about as much to do with the series as Dolly Parton did. (Little known fact, one even I didn't know until recently - Dolly Parton is a co-owner in Sandollar Productions, which also partially owns the rights to the Buffy franchise.)

[LoadStar]

You don't just throw someone an "executive producer" title fo no work. Besides, if this was the case, they would have been credited with ALL of the episodes of Angel, as well as ALL of the episodes of Buffy, instead of a good majority of them

First: read the Wikipedia article on "executive producer." The first thing to note is that quite often, an executive producer actually does no work; they just bring something else to the table, like money or rights, which is the case here. The second thing to note is that, as they point out, there are actually three different types of EP's in television: one that is the kind that the Kuzui's were, money/rights holders; one is the "principle writer" of a series; and the third is what Joss was: showrunner.

Second: the Kuzui's were, in fact, credited on all episodes of Angel and Buffy, along with Joss (in his role as showrunner), Sandy Gallin from Sandollar Productions, and Gail Berman from 20th Century Fox. (Doubt me? Check IMDB.)

Buffy was an enterprise in and of itself, and the Kuzui's were just as involved (if not moreso) as Joss.
Complete and total fiction. Here are some choice quotes from Wikipedia. First, from the Angel article:
Fran Rubel Kuzui and her husband, Kaz Kuzui, were also credited as executive producers throughout Angel,[18] but were not involved in any writing or production for the show. Jeffrey Bell mentions in his DVD commentary during the closing credits of the Angel series finale "Not Fade Away" that two people were credited and paid for Angel without needing to ever step on the set.[19] Angel crew member Dan Kerns also revealed in an essay, that two executive producers "received credit and sizeable checks for the duration of Buffy and Angel for doing absolutely nothing".[20] Their credit, rights and royalties for the whole Buffy franchise, which includes spin-off Angel, relate to their funding, producing and directing of the original movie version of Buffy.[21]

And from the Buffy article:
Fran Rubel Kuzui and her husband, Kaz Kuzui, were credited as executive producers[20] but were not involved in the show. Their credit, rights, and royalties over the franchise relate to their funding, producing, and directing of the original movie version of Buffy.[21]

In '97, Joss turned over the day to day running of things to Noxon, while the Kuzui's continued to work.
He named Noxon as producer on Buffy, so that his attention could be spread across all of the television series in production - Buffy, Angel, and Firefly. He couldn't do that if he were doing day-to-day work on Buffy alone. The Kuzui's continued to do nothing, as noted above by people who were actually there.

I'm not saying that Joss shouldn't be involved here, because he is, but Joss is Joss. He's got his own stuff to do. He's got 2 movies and Dollhouse to put together, so he's got his own deals to work through now, and a new Buffy movie would just be way too much for him to do.
This potential movie hasn't even entered production yet; by the time it does, his work on "Cabin in the Woods" will be long since done. Joss was also able to oversee three productions at once in the past, why not now?

And I never heard that the sky is blue either. I guess because you never heard that, and I never heard that neither are true. No, again, this falls back to the fact that they were executive producers, and had a huge hand in the day to day of BOTH Buffy AND Angel. You don't just get to be an exec. producer for nothing, at least back then you didn't.
Buffy went off the air in 2003. "Back then" was 6 years ago - and nothing changed in Hollywood in the last 6 years as far as the different types of executive producers in television.

From a writing perspective, perhaps, but from a producers perspective, and running of the show, absolutely not. This is WHY he's not credited as an exec, or even a producer on most of the shows, but as a writer. He is an excellent writer, but the show moves on without him
Joss was credited as an executive producer for his role as showrunner on all 145 episodes of Buffy and all 111 episodes of Angel. He was also credited as writer on all episodes as well, because as showrunner, he often would first pitch ideas to the scriptwriters, then he would also do (sometimes heavy) rewrites after the scripts were turned in.

[twhiting9275]

the Kuzui's were, in fact, credited on all episodes of Angel and Buffy, along with Joss (in his role as showrunner), Sandy Gallin from Sandollar Productions, and Gail Berman from 20th Century Fox. (Doubt me? Check IMDB.)

I have, and they are not credited on all the episodes of Angel. Buffy, perhaps, but they're missing at least one episode of Angel.

Don't send me to wikipedia, the most idiotic source of non information around. Anyone can edit anything there, period, which makes those entries absolutely pathetic and worthless, not to mention twisted to one or more person's point of view, whether or not they are factual.

I'm not going to touch the rest of your argument as you know nothing about the facts, merely your opinion of rumors. The Kuzui's had as much role in the series' as Joss did, from a credit standpoint, in fact more. Like I said, two of them, one of him.

[LoadStar]

I have, and they are not credited on all the episodes of Angel. Buffy, perhaps, but they're missing at least one episode of Angel.

IMDB lists them as exec producer on 111 episodes of Angel. That's all of them.

Don't send me to wikipedia, the most idiotic source of non information around. Anyone can edit anything there, period, which makes those entries absolutely pathetic and worthless, not to mention twisted to one or more person's point of view, whether or not they are factual.

I'm not going to touch the rest of your argument as you know nothing about the facts, merely your opinion of rumors. The Kuzui's had as much role in the series' as Joss did, from a credit standpoint, in fact more. Like I said, two of them, one of him.

They have sources to back them up. Reputable sources, sources that were there. (that's what those numbers are in my quote - references to actual sources.)

You have... umm...

[twhiting9275]

They have sources to back them up. Reputable sources, sources that were there.

Then prove it or stop blabbering

[LoadStar]

Then prove it or stop blabbering

I have. I pointed you to the Buffy and Angel articles on Wiki, which reference their sources. I'm not going to copy and paste them - you can go and look them up, same as I can.

One could ask you to do the same, referencing YOUR sources. So far, you've repeated the same "facts," facts that are contradicted by people who were there, without any source whatsoever.

[twhiting9275]

I have. I pointed you to the Buffy and Angel articles on Wiki, which reference their sources. I'm not going to copy and paste them - you can go and look them up, same as I can.


Wiki is not a reputable source, it is a human editable database. Thusly, anything in wiki is to be taken with a grain of salt, not trusted as a reputable source at all.

I have nothing to prove here. Everything I have to prove is right there, in credits, in IMDB, a matter of public information. The difference? The public information that is "proof" of what I'm saying (they were exec producers, they worked) is not editable by any Tom, Dick, or Harry, and is posted not only on reliable websites (imdb, etc), but in each and every episode.

When you come to me with a shred of (credible) proof that "the Kuzui's did nothing", then I might believe it. Until then, don't bother. Your wiki rumors and thoughts don't count for "credible proof" whatsoever.

The roles of producer/exec producer aren't just handed out like candy to someone who does nothing for a show. That's not exactly an easy job, so why would they just give them up? Oh yeah, because they actually WOULDN'T. They worked for their titles and their money.

[LoadStar]

Wiki is not a reputable source, it is a human editable database. Thusly, anything in wiki is to be taken with a grain of salt, not trusted as a reputable source at all.

I have nothing to prove here. Everything I have to prove is right there, in credits, in IMDB, a matter of public information. The difference? The public information that is "proof" of what I'm saying (they were exec producers, they worked) is not editable by any Tom, Dick, or Harry, and is posted not only on reliable websites (imdb, etc), but in each and every episode.

When you come to me with a shred of (credible) proof that "the Kuzui's did nothing", then I might believe it. Until then, don't bother. Your wiki rumors and thoughts don't count for "credible proof" whatsoever.

The roles of producer/exec producer aren't just handed out like candy to someone who does nothing for a show. That's not exactly an easy job, so why would they just give them up? Oh yeah, because they actually WOULDN'T. They worked for their titles and their money.

Actually, you DO have something to prove. It is your suggestion, one that is contradicted by both Jeffrey Bell (producer on Angel) and Dan Kerns (crew member on Angel) that the Kuzui's were even more active participants in the series production than even Joss was. So far, you have yet to produce anything to back it up.

And at this point, it is patently clear that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You have been proven wrong about what "executive producer" means in Hollywood, and you have been proven DEFINITIVELY wrong about the roles which Joss Whedon held on both Buffy and Angel and the roles he was credited with on those series. And as such, I think we're done here.

[twhiting9275]

Actually, you DO have something to prove. It is your suggestion, one that is contradicted by both Jeffrey Bell (producer on Angel) and Dan Kerns (crew member on Angel) that the Kuzui's were even more active participants in the series production than even Joss was. So far, you have yet to produce anything to back it up..

Nowhere did I say they were more active, I said they were as active, based on credited roles. Stop trying to make your own point, by trying to make someone else look bad.

Your own argument of "they did nothing" is without any proof whatsoever. Based, again, on publicly available proof (credited roles, IMDB), they were ACTIVE participants, as much as Whedon was, through BOTH series'. Either provide credible proof to the contrary, or stop whining.

[LoadStar]

Nowhere did I say they were more active, I said they were as active, based on credited roles. Stop trying to make your own point, by trying to make someone else look bad.

Your own argument of "they did nothing" is without any proof whatsoever. Based, again, on publicly available proof (credited roles, IMDB), they were ACTIVE participants, as much as Whedon was, through BOTH series'. Either provide credible proof to the contrary, or stop whining.

An executive producer on Angel, and a crew member with the series, aren't credible?

ETA:: "Based on credited roles." First off, you've already proven yourself wrong; Joss was not only listed as executive producer but also writer on all episodes. The Kuzui's were only listed as executive producers.

Second, the problem is that credits in Hollywood are an interesting game. You can, in fact, have two people with the same credit with two completely different jobs - particularly with the role of executive producer. That's not me saying that - that's a well known fact that you can find if you just do a Google search for "executive producer." So assuming just because both the Kuzui's and Whedon (and Gallin, and Berman) were all listed as executive producers, doesn't mean they all did the same work or even the same amount of work.

MULTIPLE sources throughout the internet will verify that the showrunner on a series is credited as an executive producer, as is the executive who holds the money and/or the rights and does nothing as a day-to-day duty on the show:
Wisegeek: What is an executive producer? (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-executive-producer.htm)
How Stuff Works: What is the job of an executive producer? (http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/executive-producer1.htm)
eHow: What does an Executive Producer do? (http://www.ehow.com/video_4765911_what-does-executive-producer-do.html)

[twhiting9275]

An executive producer on Angel, and a crew member with the series, aren't credible?

Where did I say they weren't credible.
Where, for that matter did you actually link to a credible source? Oh yeah, you didn't. You've quoted a wiki article that is outdated, and opinionated, nothing more. Again, you have not provided a shred of evidence that they did nothing.

[LoadStar]

Where did I say they weren't credible.
Where, for that matter did you actually link to a credible source? Oh yeah, you didn't. You've quoted an imdb article that is outdated, and opinionated, nothing more. Again, you have not provided a shred of evidence that they did nothing.

Prove that it is "outdated and opinionated." It seems to be your refrain that any source that goes against you falls under that category.

[LoadStar]

By the way, I'm done here. I've given all the information needed to definitively prove you wrong on every single point you've made so far.

I think any continuing discussion on this potential Buffy relaunch can continue in the thread linked to in the OP.

[balboa dave]

I have nothing to prove here. Everything I have to prove is right there, in credits, in IMDB, a matter of public information. .

You've quoted an imdb article that is outdated, and opinionated, nothing more. You can't even win an argument with yourself.

[twhiting9275]

You can't even win an argument with yourself.

Or it's late and I meant wiki.
The only reason I aint sleeping right now is other issue w/ work require me to be up until something gets restored. I'll edit the post out now, but I did , in fact mean wiki. Don't tell me you've never made a typo, or a mistake in your life.

These things happen.

As far as Joss VS. the Kuzui's, no hard evidence has been proven at all that they did nothing. I'm not denying the possibility of it (never did I say that), I simply said that based on current facts (not opinions, as wiki articles are), they did as much work as Joss did on the series. When presented with provable, reliable evidence, I will back that evidence up. Until that time, to go around and make accusations like "they didn't do anything on the show" is nothing more than an unprofessional, offhanded, unwarranted comment, nothing more.

Unlike some, I'm willing to see things the other way, when provided with solid evidence (sorry folks, wiki entries are not solid evidence) that I'm wrong. As well, unlike others, I give people the benefit of the doubt, rather than just assuming that they're guilty. Considering that's what this country (the US) was founded on, more people should take that into account, instead of just jumping on the nearest rumor mill and riding it all the way to China!

[realityboy]

You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of wikipedia...the articles themselves may not be reliable, but the information presented is sourced.

[twhiting9275]

You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of wikipedia...the articles themselves may not be reliable, but the information presented is sourced.

Errm, not so much.

Any time anyone can edit an article, that means it's not to be trusted. Sure, there's people out there that can be trusted to do things, but there's always individuals that can't. This makes wikipedia an untrustworthy, unreliable source.

Case in point, the article mentioned before, with specific references to "they do nothing". Those cited references don't exist, yet individuals take them as gospel, which they aren't.

We all know the saying about what opinions are like, and everyone's got one, being not afraid to share them. Couple that with diehard fans (as we've seen here), and you have major credibility issues.

The internet is just a huge rumor pipe. I'm not saying it's all rumor, or it's all opinion, but wikipedia leads a lot to that, because of it's open editability.

This is one reason that I specifically source things three times from three credible sources before I even pass them on as "news". Sure, rumors may be good to some, but I won't be @ fault for passing them on as anything but a rumor.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Wow. THAT troll is CRAZY!

[Lori]

Michael Crichton was dead for the last season of ER, still got an executive producer credit, and still did more then the Kuzuis.

[realityboy]

Errm, not so much.

Any time anyone can edit an article, that means it's not to be trusted. Sure, there's people out there that can be trusted to do things, but there's always individuals that can't. This makes wikipedia an untrustworthy, unreliable source.


I'm not saying that you should take it at face value, but if you just follow the links you can verify whether something is true or not. The ones in the Buffy article did lead to outdated sites and should be removed or at least tagged, but the sources for the Angel article were the DVD commentary and an essay by someone that worked on the show. These are reliable sources.

[Langree]

This is one reason that I specifically source things three times from three credible sources before I even pass them on as "news". Sure, rumors may be good to some, but I won't be @ fault for passing them on as anything but a rumor.

Thing is, you haven't sourced any of what you're saying here about Buffy, and if it were true you should be able too.

[bengalfreak]

Don't send me to wikipedia, the most idiotic source of non information around. Anyone can edit anything there, period, which makes those entries absolutely pathetic and worthless, not to mention twisted to one or more person's point of view, whether or not they are factual.


What about the fact that Jeffrey Bell mentions in his DVD commentary during the closing credits of the Angel series finale "Not Fade Away" that two people were credited and paid for Angel without needing to ever step on the set. ? That's pretty verifiable.


As far as Joss VS. the Kuzui's, no hard evidence has been proven at all that they did nothing. I'm not denying the possibility of it (never did I say that).

Really? You didn't?

Buffy was an enterprise in and of itself, and the Kuzui's were just as involved (if not moreso) as Joss.

I don't know anything about Buffy (the movie or the TV show) apart from casually watching both of them. I just love to smack a troll around that obviously has no clue as to what they are talking about.

[jradford]

Wow. THAT troll is CRAZY!

That Troll got pwned.

[Mispelld]

I simply said that based on current facts (not opinions, as wiki articles are), they did as much work as Joss did on the series. I'm relatively new to this forum but have lingered here for a couple of months and love the discourse. Now in the interest of full disclosure I'm a huge Joss Whedon/Buffy/Angel/Firefly fan. My question is: what are the "current facts" that you are referring to? I'll accept wiki references if that's all ya got. :) I've just never heard or read anything to contradict what everybody else is saying here.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'm relatively new to this forum but have lingered here for a couple of months and love the discourse. Now in the interest of full disclosure I'm a huge Joss Whedon/Buffy/Angel/Firefly fan. My question is: what are the "current facts" that you are referring to? I'll accept wiki references if that's all ya got. :) I've just never heard or read anything to contradict what everybody else is saying here.
I think the "current facts" consist of his notion of what an executive producer must be, on account of the title "Executive Producer" just sounds so darned impressive and stuff.

[twhiting9275]

I'm relatively new to this forum but have lingered here for a couple of months and love the discourse. Now in the interest of full disclosure I'm a huge Joss Whedon/Buffy/Angel/Firefly fan. My question is: what are the "current facts" that you are referring to? I'll accept wiki references if that's all ya got. :) I've just never heard or read anything to contradict what everybody else is saying here.

The "current facts"? Not based on "notion", but on facts. Time and time again, I've stated them, and people just choose to ignore tham as if they were nothing, yet they are facts, not some fanboy (or fangirl) website, wiki, or posted by some clown who thinks they know what's really going on, yet couldn't even begin to imagine what reality is like.

Fact: THey are credited in every episode (in the episode itself) as executive producers

Fact: They are credited in every episode (almost) of Buffy AND Angel as executive producers in a non-editable database

Anything else is just rumor and conjecture, nothing more. Unless you have been there firsthand, you have no right to say anything about how much they worked, because you do not know. Even someone there first hand can easily work to cause massive problems by starting some childish rumor like this, or voice grievances this way. It really is childish.

I'm not basing anything off of "opinion" or "rumor" here, but off of facts. Everyone in here claiming "they did nothing" has no solid, provable evidence of that whatsoever, except for a wiki entry that is outdated, and maybe (maybe) the word of some low level grunt on the shows that was upset because he (or she) didn't get what they wanted.

Anyways, I'm done with this thread. It's impossible to try to talk sense into individuals who refuse to even see the least bit of common sense. Good luck.

[Dawghows]

I don't think this is an intrinsically terrible idea. It's a little hard for me to imagine Buffy without Joss at the wheel, but it could be interesting to see where it goes. I would be disappointed if the deliberately opted to go the super-campy route of the original movie, but it's not easy to see why they'd do such a thing. Seems to me it would be much more likely that they would try to capture the tone of the series, or, as has been noted, go darker.

Anyways, I'm done with this thread.
Thank God....

[Rob Helmerichs]

"This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of the earth. Perhaps we should shoot him. "

[Mispelld]

Unless you have been there firsthand, you have no right to say anything about how much they worked, because you do not know.And yet this is exactly what you are doing as well. Apparently everybody else is asserting that they did no work at all (with support of numerous sources) and you are asserting they did as much work as Joss Whedon supported only by "your" definition of Executive Producer. Now were you there firsthand? And if not, why are you more right?

[Aniketos]

Has twit made any posts that weren't trolling? Why haven't we collectively ignored him yet?

[smak]

Executive Producers are always extremely important, and always are intregal to how a TV show or a movie is made.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

That's a laugh riot.

-smak-

[smak]

Michael Crichton was dead for the last season of ER, still got an executive producer credit, and still did more then the Kuzuis.

And if there's a Jurassic Park VIII in 2024 he'll probably still get an executive producer credit.

-smak-

[marksman]

TW,

You only believe things you have witnessed first hand?

So where do you think babies come from?

[Langree]

The "current facts"? Not based on "notion", but on facts. Time and time again, I've stated them, and people just choose to ignore tham as if they were nothing, yet they are facts, not some fanboy (or fangirl) website, wiki, or posted by some clown who thinks they know what's really going on, yet couldn't even begin to imagine what reality is like.

Fact: THey are credited in every episode (in the episode itself) as executive producers

Fact: They are credited in every episode (almost) of Buffy AND Angel as executive producers in a non-editable database

Anything else is just rumor and conjecture, nothing more. Unless you have been there firsthand, you have no right to say anything about how much they worked, because you do not know. Even someone there first hand can easily work to cause massive problems by starting some childish rumor like this, or voice grievances this way. It really is childish.

I'm not basing anything off of "opinion" or "rumor" here, but off of facts. Everyone in here claiming "they did nothing" has no solid, provable evidence of that whatsoever, except for a wiki entry that is outdated, and maybe (maybe) the word of some low level grunt on the shows that was upset because he (or she) didn't get what they wanted.


problem is, you haven't said where you get these facts, all three sources please, since you triple check.

[Lori]

I miss twhiting9275.

[Langree]

I miss twhiting9275.

He reminded me of another poster here on TCF.

[Lori]

He reminded me of another poster here on TCF.

Yeah, little bit. :D

[tewcewl]

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2009/05/anthony-head-on-invisibles-merlin-and-a-possible-buffy-movie.html

From the USA Today interview with him (scroll to the bottom for the relevant portion).