Lost-Question about the Island moving

[jack3835]

Hey folks...Had dinner with my brother and sister in law last night. We got to discussing our favorite show (Lost of course), and between the four of us we could not decide if the "question" about the island moving had been answered or not.

We know Ben moved it, and how he moved it....but where/when did it go?

We both agreed a fair number of the answers we have are sometimes clear, and other times somewhat ambiguous.

So, with all the time travel stuff this season, and the "what happenes happens" debate, did they ever answer when/where the island moved to? I know (at least I think) Jack, Kate, Hurley, Daniel, etc are in 1977... Locke, Ben (faux Ben) etc are in 2007??? but where is the island now? Same time different location? Different location, same time? We both read the forums and just don't know...Any thoughts?

[NoThru22]

Richard told Locke it had been three years since he had seen him, so the island did not move in time at all.

They've implied several times this season that the island moves all around the world a lot. It's why Eloise had that elaborate system of finding it.

[Fool Me Twice]

The island did move in time, it drifts in time constantly according to Darlton, which is what makes it so hard to find. But, when Ben turned the wheel, he unseated it somehow, and instead of drifting slowly through time, it began jumping wildly.

They still seem to be roughly in the same place in the Pacific, though. Horace offered to sail Sawyer's crew to Tahiti and the 88 Rousseau team sailed from there. The 05 Kahana ported in Fiji. The 08 Losties were flying to Guam. So, the entry point seems to be at least in the same area.

[Steveknj]

I guess that's the part that gets me too. Is the Island physically MOVING (different longitude and latitude)? Or is it moving through time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I DO recall at the end of season 4, when the O6 is on the helicopter and they look back at the Island, isn't it gone? Now, we come back to season 5 to find out the Island jumped through TIME, but did it also jump location? So in 1977 the island is in a different place than it was in 2004? It seems to me, that at the end of 2004, they gave us the impression that the island is physically moving, yet in season 5, the island wasn't moving, but time was. But if that's the case, then shouldn't the Island always be in the same place, but in a different time? Yes, in MILLIONS of years, land masses change and move, but in 50 years or so of timeframe that they've showed (or more if you count the Jacob scene at the end of the finale this season), the Island couldn't move to the point that you wouldn't see it.

Or, maybe I'm just not getting it.

[Shaunnick]

I guess that's the part that gets me too. Is the Island physically MOVING (different longitude and latitude)? Or is it moving through time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I DO recall at the end of season 4, when the O6 is on the helicopter and they look back at the Island, isn't it gone? Now, we come back to season 5 to find out the Island jumped through TIME, but did it also jump location? So in 1977 the island is in a different place than it was in 2004? It seems to me, that at the end of 2004, they gave us the impression that the island is physically moving, yet in season 5, the island wasn't moving, but time was. But if that's the case, then shouldn't the Island always be in the same place, but in a different time? Yes, in MILLIONS of years, land masses change and move, but in 50 years or so of timeframe that they've showed (or more if you count the Jacob scene at the end of the finale this season), the Island couldn't move to the point that you wouldn't see it.

Or, maybe I'm just not getting it.


You have two seperate events going on here. The Oceanic survivors (and Juliette) were moving through time on the island. The island itself only moved through space, and just the one time as far as I can tell.


A question though, and one that doesn't really matter, but when Locke moved the wheel, did he move the island again? why did moving the wheel send Ben 11 months into the future but sent Locke, who apparently moved the wheel in 1974, ahead 33 years?

[Hunter Green]

Incidentally, moving in time also requires moving in space because the Earth isn't where it was earlier. Not that that helps clarify the confusion -- quite the contrary!

[hapdrastic]

A question though, and one that doesn't really matter, but when Locke moved the wheel, did he move the island again? why did moving the wheel send Ben 11 months into the future but sent Locke, who apparently moved the wheel in 1974, ahead 33 years?

Wasn't there another white flash when he turned the wheel...they could have been anywhen in time when he turned it and then the on-island Losties were sent to 1974. I don't think that was ever clear one way or the other.

[SNJpage1]

The island must be physically moving since Eloise had to find exactly where it would be at a given time and match it to a flight going over that area. If the island was moving THRU time it would still be in the same physical place just a different date.

[DevdogAZ]

You have two seperate events going on here. The Oceanic survivors (and Juliette) were moving through time on the island. The island itself only moved through space, and just the one time as far as I can tell.


A question though, and one that doesn't really matter, but when Locke moved the wheel, did he move the island again? why did moving the wheel send Ben 11 months into the future but sent Locke, who apparently moved the wheel in 1974, ahead 33 years?

Wasn't there another white flash when he turned the wheel...they could have been anywhen in time when he turned it and then the on-island Losties were sent to 1974. I don't think that was ever clear one way or the other.
That's correct. We have no idea when Locke was when he turned the wheel. All we know is that he was going down the well, and then partway through there was a flash and then the well didn't exist anymore. IIRC, while Sawyer was holding the rope that went into the ground, that's when they saw the giant statue. So depending on when the statue was destroyed, Locke probably jumped forward much more than 33 years.

But to answer Shaunnick's question, I don't see any reason to believe that the Island didn't move physically both times the wheel was turned.

[evaporated]

I stopped watching this show about 4 years ago, and all the stuff you're talking about is soooo out there. I have often thought about trying to catch up, but I feel it would be impossible.

[wprager]

I stopped watching this show about 4 years ago, and all the stuff you're talking about is soooo out there. I have often thought about trying to catch up, but I feel it would be impossible.

You've heard of DVD?

[Ruth]

You've heard of DVD?

or iTunes?

[Hunter Green]

When I fell behind on 24 I decided to try watching a whole season in a weekend (as close to "straight through" as my feeble human need for sleep allowed), and it really works good for 24. I wonder how Lost would feel that way.

[Fool Me Twice]

Something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuFk1KKdNFw

[wprager]

Oh, that was great! So, only 3 days, eh?

[Steveknj]

You have two seperate events going on here. The Oceanic survivors (and Juliette) were moving through time on the island. The island itself only moved through space, and just the one time as far as I can tell.


A question though, and one that doesn't really matter, but when Locke moved the wheel, did he move the island again? why did moving the wheel send Ben 11 months into the future but sent Locke, who apparently moved the wheel in 1974, ahead 33 years?

So if turning the wheel made the Island PHYSICALLY move, then WHAT caused the survivors to move THRU TIME? If I understand this correctly, when the island moved to a new location, it could only be in that location at a specific point in time? So if the island moved from location X to location Y, it could only be in location Y at a given point in time? Or am I just confusing myself more?

BTW, this has no bearing on my enjoyment of the show, but sometimes I just want to make sense of things and HOPE that the layman can understand what the writers are trying to do. I would have prefered that the path of the show didn't lead to a time/space thing, but since it did, I want to try and understand it.

[mqpickles]

I stopped watching this show about 4 years ago, and all the stuff you're talking about is soooo out there. I have often thought about trying to catch up, but I feel it would be impossible.

For some reason this makes me think of a friend of ours who said he tried to watch Lost, but the idea of polar bears on a tropical island was too much for him. We told him it was good he didn't even try to stay with it. The polar bears are the least of it, "out there"-wise.

[MonsterJoe]

For some reason this makes me think of a friend of ours who said he tried to watch Lost, but the idea of polar bears on a tropical island was too much for him. We told him it was good he didn't even try to stay with it. The polar bears are the least of it, "out there"-wise.

especially considering the polar bear's existence on the island didn't turn out to be anything noteworthy. :)

[gchance]

especially considering the polar bear's existence on the island didn't turn out to be anything noteworthy. :)

Noteworthy enough to get Sawyer a fish biscuit!

Greg

[MonsterJoe]

Noteworthy enough to get Sawyer a fish biscuit!

Greg

fair enough!

oh....and I suppose that, knowing the show as well as I do, I should have added "(yet)" at the end of my last post.

[mqpickles]

especially considering the polar bear's existence on the island didn't turn out to be anything noteworthy. :)Exactly.

Of course, a polar bear skeleton was the first (or some of the first) evidence of a portal to another part of the world, but that doesn't really qualify as "existence on the island."