Biggest Loser OAD 4/21/09

[IJustLikeTivo]

So it appears that not only are they delusional, they can't do the math.

Kristen has only lost 32% and is not Mike biggest threat.

Tara still leads at 39.7% followed by Mike at 39.4% and Helen is way closer than Kristen at 37.35%. Now, I don't expect them to have it down to that close but they have to know that Helen was way closer.

Glad to have Kristen and her mouth gone. She was boring the heck out of me.

I'm happy that she got control of her life and that she's helping inspire others but that speech at the end was just pure BS on her part.

[vikingguy]

So it appears that not only are they delusional, they can't do the math.

Kristen has only lost 32% and is not Mike biggest threat.

Tara still leads at 39.7% followed by Mike at 39.4% and Helen is way closer than Kristen at 37.35%. Now, I don't expect them to have it down to that close but they have to know that Helen was way closer.

Glad to have Kristen and her mouth gone. She was boring the heck out of me.

I'm happy that she got control of her life and that she's helping inspire others but that speech at the end was just pure BS on her part.

I agree Tara is his biggest threat by a mile. Kristen might have a lot more weight she can lose but I don't think she has enough time to catch up. Unless things go really bad at home Mike should win regardless. He is young motivated and has a lot more weight he can lose.

I can really relate to Mike and his anger. Jillian was spot on at least for Mike and I. Working out is what I use to release my anger. I just hope Mike finds his outlet for his anger.

[sixseven]

chew extra gum.

[sixseven]

The wife and I were annoyed at the editing tonight. Upon hearing the clips where Kristen talks after the weigh-in, it was clear that Kristen was voted off the ranch well before Mike showed his vote.

What did she say? Something like "for one time in his like, mike could be a man and do the right thing." This was clearly coming from a place of anger, and it was disappointing to see before the voting.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

use Zip-Lock Steam bags

[bareyb]

Wow. Ron may have said it was "okay" for Mike to be mad at him, but it sure didn't look that way to me. I could see the anger seething under the surface. Than he tries to divert some of the blame to his wife who has been thin for 7 years! I thought that was totally lame. It was as if he was saying to his son, "you should blame your Mother just as much as me!" Well I think Mike has it right. Ron made his kids his "food buddies" and ruined their childhoods and their lives.

I'm obviously not a fan of big Ron's. Probably my own childhood baggage corrupting my perspective. I have to admit he almost had me fooled though. Up until the hidden mic on tonight's show that is... Got a true glimpse of Ron's machiavellian nature. Not that I'm surprised, but I'm glad he won't be able to think he had everyone fooled. At least not after he sees the show air. Then he has the nerve to tell Helen he was kicking her off in order to "honor his pledge to Kristens Mom that he would keep her safe!" Puhleese... He as much as kicked her off himself.

At least Kristen knew who was REALLY responsible. She pretty much called it exactly. Kristen flat out blew it though. She had a real shot at winning, but, that's two weeks in a row under the yellow line, and I can't feel too sorry for her. She got a gift last week and she didn't take advantage of it. My wife and I think Bob screwed her up with all his talk about them not eating enough calories. It has to be her food intake as it looked like they worked out like maniacs this week. The sad part is that whole video diary thing was simply a setup so they could squeeze in another infomercial for Ziplock baggies. :rolleyes:

At this point my money is on Mike to win. I'd love to see Tara win but I think Mike has all the cards stacked in his favor. He's younger, he's male, and he's got more weight to lose. Then again, you can never count out Tara. She always seems to find a way to win. ;)

[JLucPicard]

The participants are going to see what has aired prior to the finale, correct? In other words, Kristin will have seen the Ron/Mike secret strategy scene before they get together for the final weigh-ins, right? That first reunion would really be fun to see.

There is something to what effect stress can have on weight loss. Looks like Kristin may have stressed herself into a poor week. That and not eating right. I think it was good for them to have seen that before going home - a valuable lesson to learn before going home before the finale.

[sixseven]

Wow. Ron may have said it was "okay" for Mike to be mad at him, but it sure didn't look that way to me. I could see the anger seething under the surface. Than he tries to divert some of the blame to his wife who has been thin for 7 years! I thought that was totally lame. It was as if he was saying to his son, "you should blame your Mother just as much as me!" Well I think Mike has it right. Ron made his kids his "food buddies" and ruined their childhoods and their lives.

I'm obviously not a fan of big Ron's. Probably my own childhood baggage corrupting my perspective. I have to admit he almost had me fooled though. Up until the hidden mic on tonight's show that is... Got a true glimpse of Ron's machiavellian nature. Not that I'm surprised, but I'm glad he won't be able to think he had everyone fooled. At least not after he sees the show air. Then he has the nerve to tell Helen he was kicking her off in order to "honor his pledge to Kristens Mom that he would keep her safe!" Puhleese... He as much as kicked her off himself.



+1 on the conversation with Mike. I didn't see anger, but he just seemed to say what Mike needed to hear. It didn't seem genuine, probably because he has tried to lose the weight for himself and his family before, he just went about it wrong... Mike's confrontation was probably painful, but I have to commend Ron for handling it in a way that was positive for his son. I still didn't believe him though...

As Ron was telling Kristen that he could never vote for her, you could see in his eyes and hear in his voice that he was telling the truth. WHen she asked about Mike, that all changed in a split second. He tried to play a good poker face, but you could faintly see that he was lying... We paused and rewatched that scene a couple to times... Maybe losing the beard was bad for him, because it reveals his facial expressions more...

[sburnside1]

I couldnt figure out how these people could be so bad at math. Kristen is way down the threat list. Also, I know people say Helen "doesnt have that much more weight to lose" Ummn she could still lose another 30 pounds easy. For Mike to lose that percentage, it would be about 60 lbs.

Do I think Mike has a good shot? I'd say hes about 50/50. I think Tara would do whatever it takes, include cutting weight right before the final weigh in, wrestler style.

Ron has always been "about the game". He played it last week. getting rid of Laura to weaken Tara's voting position. Now this week, removing what the non-mathletes though was the biggest weight threat.

[gossamer88]

It was smart for Tara to take the money. Work your ass off and you won't be in the bottom two.

Funny how Kristen went back to her hair color. Drives my wife crazy (don't ask). Funny also that other members of her family/friends don it as well.

[laria]

My wife and I think Bob screwed her up with all his talk about them not eating enough calories. It has to be her food intake as it looked like they worked out like maniacs this week.
I don't think it was that. It looked like they were looking at the food diary at the end of the week. And they weren't eating enough, unless they ate a bunch of stuff they didn't show on camera. That food quiz and the video were really telling. How can they have been there that long and have no clue about nutrition?

Funny how Kristen went back to her hair color.
It looked less skunk-like to me, at least, than before the makeover. Her hair has driven me crazy all season!

[IJustLikeTivo]

Wow. Ron may have said it was "okay" for Mike to be mad at him, but it sure didn't look that way to me. I could see the anger seething under the surface. Than he tries to divert some of the blame to his wife who has been thin for 7 years! I thought that was totally lame. It was as if he was saying to his son, "you should blame your Mother just as much as me!" Well I think Mike has it right. Ron made his kids his "food buddies" and ruined their childhoods and their lives.

I think you need to cut Ron some slack. How would Ron know how to eat properly and teach that to his kids. He was over 300 when he was 15, he's never known how to control what he eats. Clearly, surgery didn't work, his issue is consumption pure and simple. I also think he's sincere when he says mike should blame him. He and his formerly fat wife taught the kids to reward themselves with food. If that's what you learn, that's what you do. Frankly, it would be a miracle if the kids weren't overweight.

As for the voting. Ron is just being smart. He gets to lose Kristen and weekend that alliance without looking like a bad guy at the vote. Why wouldn't he do that. The issue of how smart that vote will turn out to be is different, but the execution was beautiful. Mike gets to vote her out and look not mean but aggressive in pursuing a win while his partners get to look honorable.

Clearly Helen was a bigger threat weight wise but she is nearing the point where weight loss will get harder. The real threat is Tara because once she gets home, she will work like a crazy person.

I would imagine that Kristen has a decent chance for the 100K price for biggest loser among the non finalists.

[laria]

I would imagine that Kristen has a decent chance for the 100K price for biggest loser among the non finalists.
I think she'll have a tough time beating Nicole.

[sburnside1]

I would be interested in seeing how Dane has been doing at home. There are a few good contestants for the 100k.

[gchance]

I'm obviously not a fan of big Ron's. Probably my own childhood baggage corrupting my perspective. I have to admit he almost had me fooled though. Up until the hidden mic on tonight's show that is... Got a true glimpse of Ron's machiavellian nature. Not that I'm surprised, but I'm glad he won't be able to think he had everyone fooled. At least not after he sees the show air. Then he has the nerve to tell Helen he was kicking her off in order to "honor his pledge to Kristens Mom that he would keep her safe!" Puhleese... He as much as kicked her off himself.

I agree! I was really pushing for Ron until his whispers last night.

Greg

[EvilMidniteBombr]

The participants are going to see what has aired prior to the finale, correct? In other words, Kristin will have seen the Ron/Mike secret strategy scene before they get together for the final weigh-ins, right? That first reunion would really be fun to see.

There is something to what effect stress can have on weight loss. Looks like Kristin may have stressed herself into a poor week. That and not eating right. I think it was good for them to have seen that before going home - a valuable lesson to learn before going home before the finale.I assume that Kristin saw last night's episode when we did. She would have already been at home for a while by the time that episode aired. I'll even bet that with only two weeks until the final weigh in, all of the contestants are at home and saw last night's episode when it aired.

[IJustLikeTivo]

I think she'll have a tough time beating Nicole.

Not a chance. She was a good talker but nothing more. Actually my bet for at Home winner would be Sione. He lost more than Filipe when he was sent home.

[Squeak]

How is the final winner (or is it loser?) chosen? Is it the largest percentage lost amongst the final two that are left?

[laria]

Not a chance. She was a good talker but nothing more. Actually my bet for at Home winner would be Sione. He lost more than Filipe when he was sent home.
She didn't really pan out once she was put back on the show, but still... when she came back, she had a higher percentage of weightloss than everyone but Tara.

[sburnside1]

Out of the final 3, its the highest percentage of weight loss.

I thought it is commonly believed Nicole "cut weight" like a wrestler. She would still be ahead of Kristen, but thats why she gained weight. She would do that again for the finale. Even if she did cut weight, she still lost an amazing amount at home, and already had a system in place. Kristen has to set up a system so we dont know if she will or wont be successful.

[laria]

I thought it is commonly believed Nicole "cut weight" like a wrestler. She would still be ahead of Kristen, but thats why she gained weight. She would do that again for the finale. Even if she did cut weight, she still lost an amazing amount at home, and already had a system in place. Kristen has to set up a system so we dont know if she will or wont be successful.

I do think she probably did cut weight, but I think she was still quite a ways ahead of Kristen. I don't know how long Kristen was at home since we saw that video, but she only lost 16 lbs since she left and then, going by the caption at the bottom that said she'd lost 132 lbs. She's definitely got more to lose still than Nicole, but she gained 4 lbs her last 2 weeks on campus and I don't really know how well she's doing at home... 16 lbs doesn't sound like much (of course it's still great, 16 lbs is 16 lbs and all that, but still).

I agree that Dane and Blaine could also be threats. In past seasons it always seemed like there were only a couple people who really had a shot at winning the at-home prize, but between these 4 and Sione, it will be interesting.

Also, the really big kid from the Orange team could be a threat. We didn't see him since he was not one of the people who had to work at home the first month, but he had a LOT of weight to lose.

[Eleanor]

I have been annoyed with Ron for a couple of weeks. I started to dislike him when he was talking to Bob after feeling betrayed when people "lied" to him the second time he was below the yellow line.
He said something like I am not going anywhere real cockily.
He is lucky that Mike is still there as an alliance. He better not go below the yellow line or he is done.
I am glad that Kristin went home. She always had too much to say.
Helen is such a game player too though. She has had several "talks" while walking with people trying to sway them.
I think that Mike thought that Kristen was the biggest threat because she still has so much to lose.
I hope that Tyra wins. My second choice would be Mike.

[JFriday]

I have no doubt Ron will throw himself on the sword in the next 2 weeks, it makes no sense that him going against Mike in the final, why not try to win the $100,000.00 prize.

[mattack]

Haven't read the thread, but I think everyone hates Ron even more.. but I thought he was being good game-wise... keeping to his word, but getting what needed to be done done.. getting rid of the one who can lose a lot more weight.

[mrdazzo7]

Ron's a scheming dude, but honestly it's everyone else's fault for being so entranced by him (it seems). I guess you could play semantics and say "well Ron DID keep his promise to not write her name down" but at the same time, he knew Mike was the swing vote and, after telling Kristin he'd try to convince Mike, he told him the opposite. Granted who actually knows when and how these convos really took place compared how they were packaged.

Sidenote: What is "cutting weight"?

Also, any time contestants have a really private, potentially scheming conversation ON CAMERA, I feel like it's totally staged. Like a while back when Tara and Laura were discussing Tara throwing her weight b/c Laura had the vote so she knew she'd be safe. Why would they have that conversation with a camera an inch away from them, when they could just as easily do it when no one's around (IE, at night when they're in bed).

Same thing with Mike and Ron... they were smart enough to "get away" from the cameras, but then conveniently left their mics on. Not for nothing but if you're really playing the game and truly trying to keep things a secret, all you have to do is talk when the cameras aren't on. That simple. So anytime they do it on camera I feel like it's the producers orchestrating events.

[bareyb]

I'm guessing there was probably no camera men around during the Ron and Mike's Conversation. Just the remote cameras and mics. It sounded like they were whispering quietly in their room and one of the remote mics (turned all the way up by the sound of the ambient noise) picked up their conversation.

[laria]

Sidenote: What is "cutting weight"?
Basically, losing weight via dehydration. Like wrestlers and boxers do to make their weight class.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

Haven't read the thread, but I think everyone hates Ron even more.. but I thought he was being good game-wise... keeping to his word, but getting what needed to be done done.. getting rid of the one who can lose a lot more weight.
i definitely don't hate Ron. I hated Heba and Vicky. Not Ron. I've just lost all sympathy for the man. Before the last several episodes I truly felt bad for him and the condition he was in. Now all I see is him playing everyone for the benefit of his son. Not that I wouldn't do what I could if it were me & my son. But I feel that he has really and truly betrayed the trust of those that kept him there because it really was life or death for him.

[Havana Brown]

Are you kidding me!?!?!?!?!?!?

How many times did Kristin say that. I couldn't stand it. Sooo glad she's gone. And yeah, those mathletes sure don't know how to add. A few weeks ago the hostess even said that Tara had the biggest percentage loss.

I really thought Kristin was going to lose tons. I finally saw her really working out hard and it seemed from teh video diary that they weren't eating many calories.

I would be interested in seeing how Dane has been doing at home. There are a few good contestants for the 100k.


Yeah, I imagine those two boys are doing great. Last season it seemed like most of the contestants lost tons of weight. I doubt the orange team did well.

[Butcher Girl]

Yeah, I imagine those two boys are doing great. Last season it seemed like most of the contestants lost tons of weight. I doubt the orange team did well.

I have a feeling that Daniel from Orange will come back and surprise everyone at the finale - at his "where are they now" after his elimination, he looked like he had lost a lot of weight already, and that was several weeks ago. I doubt if David will have lost much more weight, though. I feel bad for him, but he needs to want it for himself and clearly doesn't.

I am already cringing at the prospect of Joelle and Carla at the finale...I hope they both do well, but I hope they don't let Joelle talk too much. :p

[Cragmyre]

I'm thinking the at home portion of the finale will be more exciting than the big prize finale.

[Havana Brown]

Kristin was on the Today Show this morning and I think she's lost another 20 lbs. She's still a big girl, but now she looks like she's at a weight where she doesn't have far to go to be healthy. Her hair was colored again, but this time it looked good.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Kristin was on the Today Show this morning and I think she's lost another 20 lbs. She's still a big girl, but now she looks like she's at a weight where she doesn't have far to go to be healthy. Her hair was colored again, but this time it looked good.

She's on some magazine cover this month. It says she has lost 140 lbs. I thought their contracts didn't allow that kind of appearance unless it was a group thing like the normal one with Prevention magazine.