24: Day 7: OAD 4/20/2009 2am - 3am *spoilers*

[terpfan1980]

Curse you evil Tony, you money grubbin' chump. You and your partner.

Jack isn't holding up well, Kim is on the way out of town, Tony is evil and is just laughing at Jack while he's having a seizure, and agent freckles is letting her team run into traps almost getting herself killed too.

Yup, typical 24, but still proving to be a fun ride this season.

[gchance]

Plus, we got Agent Freckles during the commercial break. I didn't quite catch what she was saying, something about being green. I was too busy looking at her freckles.

Greg

[madscientist]

At least we know why Tony foiled the original plan: that guy was "off the reservation" and the big bads needed him brought to heel before he blew the entire plan... whatever it is.

I wonder why they need the bio weapon?

[Eptiger]

I had actually suspected that Tony may really be bad back when he told Jack about the plot that ended up being on the White House, but I hoped it wasn't true. Money isn't a good enough motivation for me, I hope it's something better than that. I thought he was just telling the dude about money because either he's going to kill that guy or that guy is only interested in money.

I was kind of surprised that Jack didn't tell Renee about being his suspicion since he wasn't in the best shape to take on Tony alone and he trusts Renee, but I know he's stubborn and sick so I guess that could explain it.

Did the scene with Kim on the phone pull on anyone else's heart strings? I almost shed a tear when Kim said her daughter's name was Teri.

Also, anyone else feel like this season is kind of dragging? I know that every season there are always several plots, but it feels like they're happening too often this season for some reason.

Elton

[DevdogAZ]

I was kind of surprised that Jack didn't tell Renee about being his suspicion since he wasn't in the best shape to take on Tony alone and he trusts Renee, but I know he's stubborn and sick so I guess that could explain it.

Elton
I'm sure he wasn't 100% yet and wanted to give Tony the benefit of the doubt before he told anyone else.

[busyba]

It was kinda scary how much Kim's daughter looked like Keifer Sutherland. :eek:

[IJustLikeTivo]

Did the scene with Kim on the phone pull on anyone else's heart strings? I almost shed a tear when Kim said her daughter's name was Teri.

Also, anyone else feel like this season is kind of dragging? I know that every season there are always several plots, but it feels like they're happening too often this season for some reason.

Elton

The Teri reference rang true to me. I liked the call back to season one.

BTW, she was on Letterman last week and she looked way better there than on the show. Whoever did the makeup for her needs to be shot. She is a bit heavier IRL than before but not objectionably so.

[cheesesteak]

I was kind of surprised that Jack didn't tell Renee about being his suspicion since he wasn't in the best shape to take on Tony alone and he trusts Renee, but I know he's stubborn and sick so I guess that could explain it.
That reminded me of a zillion Lost episodes where someone learns some inportant piece of the puzzle but for some unknown reason doesn't share it with anyone else.

When Agent Walker started crying, I expected Jack to say "Crying? There's no crying in counter-terrorism!"

I'm not familiar with how the White House works in the real world. Is the Chief Of Staff involved in prisoner transport too?

I do NOT like Tony being a bad guy. I hope pokes his eyeballs out with his syringe before killing him. Slowly.

I can't believe that Kim wouldn't tell Jack about his grand daughter.

[danplaysbass]

The Terri reference was good. So Kim is all grown up now and got rip of that old Psychiatrist from a few seasons ago.

The bad guy was smart to rub blood all over himself in order to fool the EMTs.

[DevdogAZ]

Is it telling that over 12 hours after the episode aired, there are only 10 posts in this thread? This show used to be one of this forum's favorites, and even earlier this season it was a forum darling. However, I think the events of the last couple episodes have been really lame and it's showing in the response here on TCF.

[astrohip]

I'm not familiar with how the White House works in the real world. Is the Chief Of Staff involved in prisoner transport too?
The entire scene with her bugged me. She's been CoS for what, three episo... hours now? And she's already laying out detailed scenarios for the prez, full of background that she's never been exposed to before?

I love the 24Verse, and revel in its independence from reality. But she bugs me. I guess everyone who watches this show has *something* that their reality-blinders don't work well on.

[getreal]

I dunno about you all, but when I see the time of the episode listed as 2 am - 3 am, it makes me feel exhausted FOR the characters who have endured an extremely stressful and eventful day up to that point.

I somehow cannot imagine G.W. Bush (and his executive staff) staying up past 1 am to continue working from the Oval Office. Obama, as a much younger man, I can imagine pulling an all-nighter, but there would have been a new shift of office workers working the graveyard shift ... both at the White House and at the FBI.

Who can keep their mind straight while sitting at a computer constantly running diagnostics for 24 hours?

There should be coffee and donuts and pizza in the background of the office scenes. People should be catching catnaps in the broom closet, or be nodding off at their computers, as I sometimes do in the middle of the day! <-- Oops! Too much information. :D

[cheesesteak]

The entire scene with her bugged me. She's been CoS for what, three episo... hours now? And she's already laying out detailed scenarios for the prez, full of background that she's never been exposed to before?

I love the 24Verse, and revel in its independence from reality. But she bugs me. I guess everyone who watches this show has *something* that their reality-blinders don't work well on.
I'm with you. The First Daughter being the CoS and her subsequent actions not only don't make sense in the 24-verse, it wouldn't make a bit of sense in the totally ridiculous Prison Break-verse. It's like Kim Bauer passing the CTU entrance exam and becoming a CTU analyst. I just can't wrap my head around it no matter how many rubber bands I use.

[Steveknj]

So if Tony was bad, did he bamboozle Buchanan, or was he in on it too? I'm still not sure about bad Tony. Outside of the very first season when I had some doubts that he was "good", I always thought that he was on Jack's side. What I see happening, is perhaps something will end up "turning" Tony back from the dark side in the end.

Didn't anyone think Tony was going to say to Jack at the end of the episode that there IS an antidote?

[bigpuma]

So if Tony was bad, did he bamboozle Buchanan, or was he in on it too?

If Buchanon was in on it would he have volunteered to set off the explosion which killed him. Unless he's not really dead. :p

[zalusky]

I am still not clear whether is Tony is bad yet. We have seen Jack kill good guys for the sake of the larger mission. IE his former boss.

He could have taken him out last night and he never outright said he was a bad guy.

[johnny99]

Is it telling that over 12 hours after the episode aired, there are only 10 posts in this thread? This show used to be one of this forum's favorites, and even earlier this season it was a forum darling. However, I think the events of the last couple episodes have been really lame and it's showing in the response here on TCF.

In the past, there were lots of interesting characters on the show, both good guys and bad guys. This year, there were some interesting characters early in the season, most of them are now either dead or disappeared (where is Chloe?). Jenean Garafolo's character never developed into anything interesting. Tony's has flip-flopped so often that I don't care what he does any more. Agent Freckles has just been giving us a blank stare for the last couple of episodes. Even Jack has spent the last couple episodes just standing around.

[busyba]

I am still not clear whether is Tony is bad yet. We have seen Jack kill good guys for the sake of the larger mission. IE his former boss.

He could have taken him out last night and he never outright said he was a bad guy.

So you think he might be a quadruple-agent instead of just a triple-agent?

I tihnk that might be one too many twists, even for 24.

[zalusky]

So you think he might be a quadruple-agent instead of just a triple-agent?

I tihnk that might be one too many twists, even for 24.

When Jack first met Tony and Bill Buchanan they indicated that the government was completely infiltrated. It's clear there are still some more people to catch.

He may be bad but nothing I saw last night was an outright admission that he was bad. He could be still trying to maintain his cover and who knows Chloe might be the only one that can exonerate him since she was part of the Bill thing.

[busyba]

[Tony] may be bad but nothing I saw last night was an outright admission that he was bad.

Except, you know, the part where he instructs his partner to set a trap which blows up a couple dozen federal agents....

[morac]

He may be bad but nothing I saw last night was an outright admission that he was bad. He could be still trying to maintain his cover and who knows Chloe might be the only one that can exonerate him since she was part of the Bill thing.

There's better ways to maintain your cover that don't involve:
1) Killing the FBI chief.
2) Plotting the killing off an entire squad of FBI agents (including the new chief).
3) Stealing Jack's anti-seizure medication.
4) Smuggling weapons of mass destruction.

He's pretty much in the bad column at the moment. Even if he's doing it "for the greater good".

[newsposter]

Except, you know, the part where he instructs his partner to set a trap which blows up a couple dozen federal agents....

" do you have a problem with that"

Oh jack you should have at least left a note in case you died this is who did it and this is who the bad guy is. The whole toxin thing is a big bummer because we know he wont die..he's jack!

I know at the end they were trying to show the prez in a quandry head in hand, but i thought that was a 'weak' pose for her. Much prefer her kicking jonas butt!

and how embarrassing is it that no one thought to see that the agent wasnt even in that building..WHY would she have to ask where he was in the building when they have GPS on everyone...things like this really bug the heck out of me because in the context of the show everyone is chipped..fine. So use the locators!

I'm glad the daughter was back but how about at least a 'where were you' type thing..we are under crisis you know :)

[zalusky]

There's better ways to maintain your cover that don't involve:
1) Killing the FBI chief.
2) Plotting the killing off an entire squad of FBI agents (including the new chief).
3) Stealing Jack's anti-seizure medication.
4) Smuggling weapons of mass destruction.

He's pretty much in the bad column at the moment. Even if he's doing it "for the greater good".

How quickly I subconsciously forget. Still I am waiting to hear his motive! Assuming we get to hear it!

[smak]

It would be refreshing after 7 years of 24 for the reason to be money, and that's it.

-smak-

[gchance]

On the way to work today I figured out who's behind everything.

Chase. :)

Greg

[Bierboy]

I dunno about you all, but when I see the time of the episode listed as 2 am - 3 am, it makes me feel exhausted FOR the characters who have endured an extremely stressful and eventful day up to that point.

I somehow cannot imagine G.W. Bush (and his executive staff) staying up past 1 am to continue working from the Oval Office. Obama, as a much younger man, I can imagine pulling an all-nighter,...

That's baloney. I require MUCH less sleep now than when I was in my 20s or 30s. I'm 58.

[morac]

That's baloney. I require MUCH less sleep now than when I was in my 20s or 30s. I'm 58.

That's actually not entirely accurate. It's not that you need less sleep as you get older, it's that your body's doesn't "sleep as well" when you age. Actually sleeping less as you age is dangerous as it makes you more prone to disease.

See Sleep and Seniors: Putting Myths To Rest (http://www.bettersleep.org/pressroom/senior.asp).

[mrdazzo7]

Also, anyone else feel like this season is kind of dragging? I know that every season there are always several plots, but it feels like they're happening too often this season for some reason.

Elton

Funny, I was just saying at work today how this is the first season in a whlie where I feel like there was no significant drag like in the past. There's always like 6-8 episodes in the middle somewhere that just suck, But I feel like this season has been in really top form. Just the fact that there are only four episodes left is shocking to me, because it's gone by so fast. I think they got their stuff together.

Anyone remember season five, the storyline with Jack trying to get the recording of Logan admitting his guilt? INstead of just playing the thing for anyone who will listen, they spend like three episodes of hiim getting it (and keeping it to himself), then he finally gets it to CTU. Does he play it for ANYONE? Nope. he sets up a meeting. Chloe has to get the atty general on the line. Essential personnel have to get into the room. But what happens? That one guy erases the thing. *That* is an example of the writer's using up time because they have nothing else to do.

Then in Season 4 when Jack and Paul Raines went to get get some information, but then the military contractors decided to EMP an entire section of Los Angeles which got Jack and Paul stuck in an insta-riot?

But anyway, to me, this season really hasn't had TOO much fat. The only thing I have noticed this year is that there is an extreme amount of people explaining the plot to each other. IE: Jack kills a terrorist. He calls Renee and says he killed the terrorist. Renee tells Larry. Larry calls Tom from HomeSec and tells him. Tom then tells the President. This is exaggerated for dramatic effect but you get my point. Maybe it's just me but I noticed that happening *a lot* this season. But I'd honestly take that over them launching some crazy subplot just to kill some time.

As for Tony, I'd like them to address his reasons for single-handedly stopping Hodges missle attack. The only thing I can think of is that Hodges lost his midn and that whole operation wasindepentant from this group's main agenda. But that doesn't really make sense because Tony also gave Jack the intel on the White House attack...why? I get the sense that he's bad, but not so bad that he wants a large scale terrorist attack. But wtf does he want then?

[madscientist]

As for Tony, I'd like them to address his reasons for single-handedly stopping Hodges missle attack. The only thing I can think of is that Hodges lost his midn and that whole operation wasindepentant from this group's main agenda. But that doesn't really make sense because Tony also gave Jack the intel on the White House attack...why?I think they did this pretty well. From my post above:
At least we know why Tony foiled the original plan: that guy was "off the reservation" and the big bads needed him brought to heel before he blew the entire plan... whatever it is.Obviously the real bad guys have a larger plan related to the bio-weapon and had nothing to do with the Juma plot at all; Hodges was ruining their plan with his obsession over his company and this plot to blackmail the president, which they didn't know about/approve of.

Tony is working for the real bad guys, not Hodges: in this light his actions are understandable.

As for what Tony wants--we won't know until we know what his relationship is with the real bad guys, and what their real plan is.

[mrdazzo7]

Tony is working for the real bad guys, not Hodges: in this light his actions are understandable.

But Hodges is still connected to the "big bad" since they sent the chick in to get rid of him...she indicated that he made a mess of things. But from what I can tell it's not clear what the goal was.

Hodges or the big bad commisioned Juma to allow the US to build and test their weapon in Sangala. In exchange, Jonas helped Juma get into the US and orchestrate his attack on the white house. Tony got wind of this attack from his cohort and told Jack so Jack could break it up--but why? What does he care at this point?

Jonas then uses the bioweapon to breakdown into missles to launch a large-scale terrorist attack, which Tony single-handedly stops. But he secures one canister before doing so. For who? If Jonas was working for the big bad all along, and the big bad wanted the bioweapon, then what did they want it for? Was Jonas not supposed to be in control of it?

It's just a bit reminicent of Nina in season one. I still have a problem with them making her the mole because it never made sense. The whole season she's actively helping Jack--there's tons of scenes of her by herself helping him all day. But then at the last minute it turns out she's the mole, and they try to explain it that she was SO undercover that even most of the bad guys didn't even know. Huh? At least with Tony if you go back and watch the episodes, it makes sense. He tells Jack about the white house attack, but we never SEE him get the information so it's believable that he was lying.

Then again, when Jonas had Tony hostage, and the bad guys were all alone, why did they stage this whole show with him being beat up then sent to interrogation. If tony's on their side, why doesn't Stokes know? Just seems odd.

[oscarfish]

As I watched this week episode, one thought ran through my mind over and over again, "Tony, you're killing me here".

Last week I predicted that Tony would turn out to be good in the sense that he's still trying to catch the top-level bad guys. That fantasy lasted a week. It's looking grim.

I've begun the process of preparing myself for disappointment in the resolution of the season. Yes there will be at least one more discovery that someone we know is part of the grand evil conspiracy. And I'm sure it'll be interesting. But disappointing never the less. The good news is that I'll watch and enjoy the episodes anyway, and I'm more than willing to be proven wrong.

[mrdazzo7]

Is anyone psyched for the announcement that next season will take place in New York? It could be because I'm a Long Islander but I also love the idea of the show taking place there - it's totally different from past seasons. I think that even though they'll still shoot in LA for the most part, the energy and feel will be different.

I think the move to Washington was good, but we've already been in Washington in every other season, just in some plots and not full time. New York is totally fresh from the show's perspective. I also love the idea of CTU:NY.

[Honora]

How quickly I subconsciously forget. Still I am waiting to hear his motive! Assuming we get to hear it!

Yeah, he'd better 'splain really fast once the remedicated Jack catches up with him.

[Steveknj]

Is anyone psyched for the announcement that next season will take place in New York? It could be because I'm a Long Islander but I also love the idea of the show taking place there - it's totally different from past seasons. I think that even though they'll still shoot in LA for the most part, the energy and feel will be different.

I think the move to Washington was good, but we've already been in Washington in every other season, just in some plots and not full time. New York is totally fresh from the show's perspective. I also love the idea of CTU:NY.


Except I'm sure it will all be filmed in Vancouver or Toronto or something like that. I hate when they have one city stand in for another and they show canned shots of the city coming back from breaks.

[Bierboy]

That's actually not entirely accurate. It's not that you need less sleep as you get older, it's that your body's doesn't "sleep as well" when you age. Actually sleeping less as you age is dangerous as it makes you more prone to disease...

You mean I'm really sick? ....and I need help?


:D

[BitbyBlit]

If Jonas was working for the big bad all along, and the big bad wanted the bioweapon, then what did they want it for? Was Jonas not supposed to be in control of it?

We don't know what they wanted it for yet, but so far it seems that Jonas' job was simply to develop the weapons. My guess is that they already had an arrangement with Juma to deliver the weapons, but Jonas made a deal on top of that to help Juma out with the attacks in exchange for delivering the weapons directly to him so that he could use them for his own purposes.

Based on his conversation with Fake Lawyer Lady, it appears that as the government was continuing to investigate Starkwood, he got scared, and that's when he decided to make the deal.

When Tony was investigating the government being compromised, he was probably also investigating this organization being compromised as well. At the beginning of the day, they probably knew something was up with one of their members, but they weren't sure who it was or what that person was doing. As Tony learned more, he continued to help the government because that also helped his organization.

And it could be that Tony truly doesn't believe in attacking American civilians, and neither does the organization he works for, so he was honestly trying to save lives by stoping Juma and Hodges. We won't know for sure until we find out their intentions for the bioweapon.

Then again, when Jonas had Tony hostage, and the bad guys were all alone, why did they stage this whole show with him being beat up then sent to interrogation. If tony's on their side, why doesn't Stokes know? Just seems odd.

Tony wasn't on Hodges' side. I don't think anything was staged there. And I don't even think Hodges knew he was working for The Organization, because then his only concern wouldn't have been with the government. He did say Tony looked familiar, but I think that was from the group Tony was working with at the beginning of the season.

Assuming Tony was telling the truth about how he got recruited, that was the group he had always been working with, and my guess is that someone from The Organization contacted him about working directly for them, but staying in the group he was in so that he could work incognito.

[BitbyBlit]

Funny, I was just saying at work today how this is the first season in a whlie where I feel like there was no significant drag like in the past. There's always like 6-8 episodes in the middle somewhere that just suck, But I feel like this season has been in really top form. Just the fact that there are only four episodes left is shocking to me, because it's gone by so fast. I think they got their stuff together.

Yeah. This is my favorite season of all of them (so far) because it feels the most like one big story. Ironically, I think this season has had the most changes in "big bads" of any of them, but they've done an excellent job at transitioning from each threat to the larger one.

[BitbyBlit]

He could have taken him out last night and he never outright said he was a bad guy.

I think Tony considers Jack a friend, and wouldn't kill him unless he got in his way. Even if Tony is not secretly trying to uncover the larger conspiracy, I think he hopes that Jack can be kept out of his way so that he doesn't have to confront him. Of course, we know that won't happen. :D

[Bierboy]

I still think Moss was a baddie, but it still doesn't excuse the multiple casualties when the C4 took out that building where the FBI folks were lured.

[TampaThunder]

I am still not clear whether is Tony is bad yet.Hopefully you don't serve on juries much. ;)

[zalusky]

Hopefully you don't serve on juries much. ;)

Nope as soon as I find out the defendant is a smoker, I would hang em. :)

[morac]

You mean I'm really sick? ....and I need help? :D

That's why I put the word "prone" in there. There are some people who need very little sleep and can get by with 4 or 5 hours a night. Those people are likely that from a very early age though. The point I was making is that getting older doesn't mean you need less sleep. Americans as a whole don't get enough sleep to begin with.

[newsposter]

Hopefully you don't serve on juries much. ;)

well he could have been working deep undercover for some agency..just like another show i watched this week...was the plan all along!

[cheesesteak]

I still think Moss was a baddie, but it still doesn't excuse the multiple casualties when the C4 took out that building where the FBI folks were lured.
Have we seen any evidence that Moss was crooked?

[Bierboy]

Have we seen any evidence that Moss was crooked?
No...that's what would make it a "24" moment...:D

[newsposter]

Have we seen any evidence that Moss was crooked?

I'm pretty sure with the angle of the shotgun blast he was dropped straight down, not crooked at all.

[efilippi]

Wow. How did he get out?

Oops. Sorry, I was watching Private Practice. :p