Heroes 3/23/09

[spikedavis]

Easily the best episode in a long, long time.

It's incredibly obvious Bryan Fuller was the real talent behind Heroes. Glad he's back!

[Lost Dog]

Good episode...

I got a kick out of the shaving at the beginning. From what I hear 7am Platinums are good blades! I shave with a Gillette Fatboy so I enjoy seeing DE razors in use. It was amusing how Danko was clean shaven under the shave soap...

[atrac]

I pinched myself when the episode was over -- WHAT? Did I actually just *enjoy* an episode of "Heroes" again????

May it continue upwards from here!

..and the Gwen Stefani bit was really very funny, as were the Close Encounters (very subtle with the toys) and E.T. (not so subtle in the closet!) references. ;)

[Barmat]

What a great episode. I was sad to see the speedster go but they have to many characters around.

[Rob Helmerichs]

That Daphne stuff at the end was incredibly powerful, probably because I was trying to figure out what the $%@# was going on and missed it by a mile. Got me right between the eyes, and I never saw it coming.

Good also that they've depowered Ridiculously Powerful Character #2, leaving only Sylar. With whom I presume they'll be dealing soon.

[jeepair]

Guess its time to bring out the triplet for Ali Larter right?

Parkman is on the news everywhere about being a bomber and nobody in the Hospital recognizes him? Sure he did his Jedi mind trick to the Doctor but passerby's must have seen him...

[Gunnyman]

I thoroughly enjoyed this week's episode. Bryan Fuller is going to save the show. :)

We all knew Rebel was Micah didn't we! Where's Nathan?

[Rosincrans]

That Daphne stuff at the end was incredibly powerful, probably because I was trying to figure out what the $%@# was going on and missed it by a mile. Got me right between the eyes, and I never saw it coming.
Glad to hear. I was feeling incredibly stupid not to see it coming. I figured it would be one of those where I check out the thread and everybody says that they saw it coming a mile away. (Heck, when he started flying my first thought was that he was Sylar)

So can Hiro stop time at will now, or does he need to carry around little Matt Parkman for a jump start every time?

[allan]

Rest In Peace, Daphne. Rest In Pieces, Tracy (sorry).

Great show. I was a little disappointed about Micah being Rebel because it was so obvious, but still great show. It was great seeing Hiro do his stuff again. :up:

[Scubee]

I thought the blinking eye from Tracy's frozen, broken head on the floor of the parking garage was a nice touch.

[Magister]

Good episode...

I got a kick out of the shaving at the beginning. From what I hear 7am Platinums are good blades! I shave with a Gillette Fatboy so I enjoy seeing DE razors in use. It was amusing how Danko was clean shaven under the shave soap...

I said the same thing to my wife, he has already shaved.

The Daphne thing caught my wife and I as well, so I couldn't lie about 'Saw that coming.' She was one of my favorites, and they gave her a good send-off.

Any chance of a T-1000 reformation for Ice Queen?

[jking]

So can Hiro stop time at will now, or does he need to carry around little Matt Parkman for a jump start every time?

I think he can stop time at will, but can't teleport. And I would guess he can't time travel either.

[tiassa]

Danko is anal-retentive enough to shave twice, just to make sure (OK, that's a stretch, I'll admit it!).

I totally missed the "Farewell to Daphne" -- even when she said "Let me go", I was like "WTF? She wants him to get out of her life, after all that?"

Thank you atrac, I knew the mechanical toys were referencing something I'd seen before! I'd forgotten CE3K, I was thinking the "original' Energizer commercials, before they settled on the Bunny as their "spokes-toy", missed the ET one tho.

Good also that they've depowered Ridiculously Powerful Character #2, leaving only Sylar. With whom I presume they'll be dealing soon.
From the previews I 'd say that may be next week.

Any chance of a T-1000 reformation for Ice Queen?
I was thinking that as well, otherwise why show the wink.

[scandia101]

I thoroughly enjoyed this week's episode. Bryan Fuller is going to save the show. :)

We all knew Rebel was Micah didn't we! Where's Nathan?

Yes, I think most people made that assumption, but seeing the name Noah Gray-Cabey in the opening credits still kind of a spoiled it a little.

Rebel is Micah - :up:
Tracy's wink - Lame lame lame
Peter rescues Angela - Awesome
Daphne dying - whatever
Hiro got a partial jump start - About time
Ando's super charge can also be a weapon - Cool

[jking]

Tracy's wink - Lame lame lame

Hiro got a partial jump start - About time
Ando's super charge can also be a weapon - Cool

Agree on the lameness of the wink.

I have been wondering for a while if Ando might be the one who gives Hiro back his powers. Now I am wondering since he has his powers partially back, if Ando's supercharge won't give him all of his powers back... and maybe that's what we saw Ando attempting to do in the future when we thought he killed Hiro. I suspect they won't even revisit that scene, but it's a possibility at least. I for one hope that Hiro stays how he is, at least for the foreseeable future.

[nirisahn]

Easily the best episode since season 1. I didn't pick up on Matt being in Daphne's head during the Gwen Stafani bit, but I did as soon as I saw him flying. It didn't lessen the impact of the scene one bit though. Really powerful. I was almost ready to give up on this show but I'm leaving my SP in hopes there being of future episodes as good as this one.

Tracy winking at the end - hint of things to come?
Micah - no surprise.
Baby Matt - very cool.

[lexsar]

I had not watched the two shows previous to last night but I did tune in to this episode. I'm glad I did but it seems that I didn't miss much from the two I misses...

[SoBelle0]

I didn't take that as a wink from Tracy - it was a blink and a tear... she's done. And, she actually felt bad for nearly getting Micah caught.

[sbourgeo]

I didn't take that as a wink from Tracy - it was a blink and a tear... she's done. And, she actually felt bad for nearly getting Micah caught.

I figured it was a wink that she was OK and would re-form like a liquid metal terminator.

[Test]

I didn't take that as a wink from Tracy - it was a blink and a tear... she's done. And, she actually felt bad for nearly getting Micah caught.

Thats how I saw it too. That's it for the triplets right? The tough girl and her dead twin (that we never really met) and the ice girl right? or was the dead twin not a real person and we could still expect to see this actress in one more role?

[morac]

I must be getting good at guessing things since I predicted that the baby could start Hiro's (granted only a few seconds before he actually did) and I saw through Matt's illusion once he started flying. I didn't foresee Daphne dying though. :(

If Ando's power is supercharging other Hero's powers, why does shooting a normal person knock them back?



Good also that they've depowered Ridiculously Powerful Character #2, leaving only Sylar. With whom I presume they'll be dealing soon.

You mean re-powered right? ;)

Actually even with only gaining back the ability to stop time, Hiro has become the most powerful character again.

[lexsar]

I figured it was a wink that she was OK and would re-form like a liquid metal terminator.

+1

[G8rMan]

Did I miss something? How did Peter get into the elevator with Angela?

[Rob Helmerichs]

I didn't take that as a wink from Tracy - it was a blink and a tear... she's done. And, she actually felt bad for nearly getting Micah caught.
That's how I saw it, too. I was surprised at all the people calling it a wink.
Did I miss something? How did Peter get into the elevator with Angela?
He flew down the shaft. We heard him land on the roof.

How he knew to be in that particular shaft at that exact moment is another quesiton...

[SoBelle0]

Why wink, and then shed a tear?

[morac]

Why wink, and then shed a tear?

Because she only had one eye at that point? ;)

[Test]

Did anyone else catch the speedsters elbow when she was hanging on to parkman while floating over paris? It was weird and abnormally pointy.

[phox_mulder]

..and the Gwen Stefani bit was really very funny, as were the Close Encounters (very subtle with the toys) and E.T. (not so subtle in the closet!) references. ;)

And the Superman nod with Daphne standing on Parkmans toes for the flight.


phox

[scandia101]

A blink happens very quickly in both eyes and doesn't pause in the shut position.

[That Don Guy]

I think he can stop time at will, but can't teleport. And I would guess he can't time travel either.
How soon before one of them figures out, or at least guesses, that Hiro + Ando + Baby Power-up = Hiro Can Teleport/Time Travel Again?

(Well, somebody has to be able to time-travel now that the only known existing method (Ando + Daphne) won't work any more.)

-- Don

[Azlen]

Doesn't future Hiro have to time travel back at some point to tell Peter to save the cheerleader? Or was that from an alternate timeline that now doesn't exist?

Sad to see Daphne die, but it was a touching farewell.

Let's hope that Bryan Fuller sticks around for awhile. Heroes needs him in a very bad way.

[Shakhari]

At this point all the futures we've been shown no longer exist ... which must really suck for the Irish chick.

[NJChris]

At this point all the futures we've been shown no longer exist ... which must really suck for the Irish chick. What happens to her if she is in a future that didn't happen?

[allan]

What happens to her if she is in a future that didn't happen?

:eek:

[Trent Bates]

I'm glad to see that nearly everyone here seems to have enjoyed this as well! I also think Bryan Fuller could/might save the show.

I see it as almost a checklist of things to repair for him:

Get rid of Tracy the triplet that never made sense. - Check

Bring back Micah. - Check (Not that I care personally)

Start restoring Hiro to usefulness. - Check

Get rid of the Speedster character. - Check :(

Get Mohinder back to being a scientist/doctor. - In Progress

Get Parkman back to mind tricks only. - In Progress

Possibly start moving away from much of the foolishness of late. - IN PROGRESS

I'm sure there are others, but those are the points that seemed obvious to me!

[Rob Helmerichs]

Start restoring Hiro to usefulness. - Check
Without restoring him to a level of near-omnipotence that makes him too powerful to be useful in story terms. - Check

[atrac]

Thank you atrac, I knew the mechanical toys were referencing something I'd seen before! I'd forgotten CE3K, I was thinking the "original' Energizer commercials, before they settled on the Bunny as their "spokes-toy", missed the ET one tho.

The way Ando and Hiro hid in the closet with the dolls around them and only their heads visible with frozen smiles was like how E.T. hid in the closet from Dee Wallace. :)

I also thought Tracy winked, meaning that she would be back (like a liquid terminator).

I need to review the scene again. I didn't notice the tear (unless it was just a part of her melting?).

[NJChris]

Oh ... one thing I noticed. When they were escaping and Parkman did his jedi mind tricks.... THE ALARM WAS BLARING... but he had NO problem.

[cheesesteak]

I thought the Daphne subplot was the only good part of this episode.

I'm getting a little tired of the government stormtroopers being a part of just about every subplot.

Even though I knew it was coming, I thought Peter's elevator rescue of Angela was lame.

Who caught the Puppeteer?

[WinBear]

I'm sad to see Daphne gone, but I'm not shedding any tears for Tracy. All in all, a very awesome episode!

[Trent Bates]

I swear: If they bring back Ali Larter as 'another' character or something else equally convoluted, I'm deleting my season pass and all of the shows on the spot!

If they do more with Tracy Strauss, I'll have my finger hovering over the "Clear" button!

[tiassa]

Even though I knew it was coming, I thought Peter's elevator rescue of Angela was lame.
Yeah, as in "How many elevator shafts have roof access?"

Who caught the Puppeteer?
If I had to guess I'd say it was Noah, as he mentioned the capture to Danko and Puppeteer had harassed Claire (and his wife) in the past.

[cheesesteak]

I'm surprised they killed off Ali Larter's character without a week of "One of these Heroes will DIE!" promos. Or I missed them all.

[zordude]

I thought the blinking eye from Tracy's frozen, broken head on the floor of the parking garage was a nice touch.

I thought it was providing them an out to make her not really dead, she just has to melt away in "water form" and reform her body later.

Z

[justen_m]

If I had to guess I'd say it was Noah, as he mentioned the capture to Danko and Puppeteer had harassed Claire (and his wife) in the past.

Wasn't the Puppeteer the one hanging in Danko's apartment? I figured Sylar captured the Puppeteer and put him there (seeing as how they briefly showed Sylar in Danko's apartment), and then Danko brought him in. I thought Noah's comment about him to Danko was more like, "Good job for catching that *sshat who threatened my family."

[morac]

Wasn't the Puppeteer the one hanging in Danko's apartment? I figured Sylar captured the Puppeteer and put him there (seeing as how they briefly showed Sylar in Danko's apartment), and then Danko brought him in.

That was my take as well.

[jpicard]

Actually many years ago, it was Duracell that began an ad campaign about how long their batteries will last while running many different kinds of electric powered toys. Then along came energizer and spoofed the same ad campaign and kept the robotic drum pounding bunny as their symbol long after duracell moved on to other ad campaigns.
Another note: a few years into the ad campaign a soft drink company also spoofed the battery commercials by using the same bunny with a slice can in one back and a 7-up/or sprite? can in the other bunny and they showed how their bunny is much more energized when drinking slice instead of the other drink. Quite funny really... ok
Back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Keep talking "Heroes" now...

RIP Daphne. I liked her. Sorry to see her go. Kinda glad to see Tracy go away but curious to see who the actress is going to portray now....

[rgr]

How he knew to be in that particular shaft at that exact moment is another quesiton...
I'm thinking he got a call at some point saying to be at that address at that time in that elevator shaft. Maybe from his future seeing mother or from someone else with the same or similar ability.

[vnvnvn2000]

This was actually a really really good episode. Too bad Fuller's contribution really can't salvage the sinking ratings and a disappointing Volume 3. I have to admit that Volume 4 has been pretty decent. I know Fuller's involvement is only as a "Consulting Producer", but if NBC really wanted to shake things up, they should fire Kring and all his writers/producers and staff and give Fuller full reign for season 4 and let him hire his own people. I know it ain't gonna happen, but that's what I would love to see.

[fmowry]

Even though I knew it was coming, I thought Peter's elevator rescue of Angela was lame.



World's largest elevator safety/escape door. :rolleyes:

Frank

[allan]

I swear: If they bring back Ali Larter as 'another' character or something else equally convoluted, I'm deleting my season pass and all of the shows on the spot!

Since they have one more "triplet", I'll give Larter's next incarnation a "free pass". As far as I'm concerned she has one life left, but ONLY one life.

[DavidTigerFan]

Since they have one more "triplet", I'll give Larter's next incarnation a "free pass". As far as I'm concerned she has one life left, but ONLY one life.

There's none left. There was the dead sister...the strong sister with multiple personalities....and Tracy with freeze hands.

[BobB]

Since they have one more "triplet", I'll give Larter's next incarnation a "free pass". As far as I'm concerned she has one life left, but ONLY one life.

I think she's still there - I side with those who read her parting wink as a "don't worry, I'll reconstitute myself as soon as the coast is clear" message. Actually I was kind of surprised that she froze at all, given that she has to be in physical contact with something to freeze it, and to freeze a human body cold enough that it would shatter when knocked against a wall it would have to be VERY cold indeed, certainly cold enough that if she were affected by cold she'd get frostbite every time she did it. What happened to her immunity? Even is she were immobilized by the ice around her she should have stayed warm within it for the sake of internal plot consistency.

Wait a minute - did I just say internal consistency on a Heroes thread? Shame on me!

[Trent Bates]

There's none left. There was the dead sister...the strong sister with multiple personalities....and Tracy with freeze hands.

That's the way I see it as well.
Thus, I said I'd "hover" over the "Clear" button if they did any more with the Tracy character.

I didn't care for Ali Larter in the past, this show has made me cringe whenever I see her!

[Fassade]

There's none left. There was the dead sister...the strong sister with multiple personalities....and Tracy with freeze hands.
The dead sister was not one of the Wonder Triplets. The doctor who told Tracy about her past said the triplets were separated, each given to a separate family, and that the triplets' names were Tracy, Niki, and Barbara (not Jessica, the dead sister's name). He even mistook Tracy for this as-yet-unintroduced Barbara when he first saw her, so they have left an angle for Ali Larter to return to the show, if they so choose.

[NJChris]

I like Ali Larter as an actress and wouldnt mind the 3rd sister coming back.

[That Don Guy]

What happens to her if she is in a future that didn't happen?
As far as she is concerned, that future did happen, and whoever brought her there (Nathan, right?) disappeared.

However, there is a way to bring her back, as soon as somebody gets the time travel ability again (I still think it's going to happen with Hiro + baby power-up + Ando's power boost); go back in time to some point before she traveled into the future, grab her, and then jump with her back into the present.

Why, yes, that is also a way to bring a "dead" character back onto the show (by going back to when they were still alive) - how about that?

-- Don

[Rob Helmerichs]

I suspect they're done with time travel. For exactly the reasons you bring up, and so many more, it just makes Hiro way too powerful; if he stayed at that level then they would have to keep making up excuses for why he doesn't just fix everything.

That's no doubt why they took away his powers and then only restored the one (time freezing). Same with Peter...was too powerful, now manageable. Presumably, Sylar will be next, if he survives.

[classicX]

So can Hiro stop time at will now, or does he need to carry around little Matt Parkman for a jump start every time?

I gathered that his time stopping ability was back, but not the teleporting or time travel.

My apologies if it's been said, but I think we can all see what the Ando shooting Hiro is really about - Ando can probably restore Hiro's full powers with a little jolt.

Ando's face after the Hadouken (I couldn't resist) was priceless, then he got knocked out.

[allan]

I suspect they're done with time travel. For exactly the reasons you bring up, and so many more, it just makes Hiro way too powerful; if he stayed at that level then they would have to keep making up excuses for why he doesn't just fix everything.

That's no doubt why they took away his powers and then only restored the one (time freezing). Same with Peter...was too powerful, now manageable. Presumably, Sylar will be next, if he survives.

Although Sylar's the most powerful character on the show now, he's not nearly as over-the-top as Peter or Hiro. If he lost the regeneration he took from Claire and the ability to take powers without killing like he did with Ellie, he'd be just right. Except that with Peter nerfed, there's no single character that can stand up to him.

[Trent Bates]

<snip>that the triplets' names were Tracy, Niki, and Barbara (not Jessica, the dead sister's name). He even mistook Tracy for this as-yet-unintroduced Barbara when he first saw her, so they have left an angle for Ali Larter to return to the show, if they so choose.

I have to concede that you are probably right. I remember something about that too.

Okay, to be fair (to myself ;) ): If Ali Larter comes back as someone NEW I'll stop right there and delete/purge, etc.

Actually, if done well, I'd be all right with Barbara while I'd be a little annoyed if Tracy comes back.

[classicX]

I thought Tracy would be able to move as ice, just like iceman.

If she could learn to move herself through water like iceman could, she'd be immortal as long as she stays in ice form.

[BobB]

I thought Tracy would be able to move as ice, just like iceman.

If she could learn to move herself through water like iceman could, she'd be immortal as long as she stays in ice form.

She obviously can move as ice - at least her eyelid, which one would think ought to be one of the hardest (pun intended) parts of the body to move when frozen.

I still think this is a huge continuity hole - she's always been immune to the effects of her own freezing power up to now.

[justen_m]

I still think this is a huge continuity hole - she's always been immune to the effects of her own freezing power up to now.

This wasn't normal. This was a freeze supernova. This icy explosion was her shedding her chrysalis to emerge reborn, more powerful, no longer fully human. Now she is ice woman. :eek: :D

[Steveknj]

Doesn't future Hiro have to time travel back at some point to tell Peter to save the cheerleader? Or was that from an alternate timeline that now doesn't exist?

Sad to see Daphne die, but it was a touching farewell.

Let's hope that Bryan Fuller sticks around for awhile. Heroes needs him in a very bad way.

I think Hiro is going to travel back to the island in 1977 and kill Ben.

Ooops, got my shows confused.

Definitely best episode in awhile, with the first wtf moment in like 2 years. I must be an idiot, but I never considered Micah as Rebel (for a long time, I thought it was HRG).

[Steveknj]

I like Ali Larter as an actress and wouldnt mind the 3rd sister coming back.

As an actess, meh, as a hottie? :up:

I too took the wink and tear as she's going to melt and come back.

[Steveknj]

This wasn't normal. This was a freeze supernova. This icy explosion was her shedding her chrysalis to emerge reborn, more powerful, no longer fully human. Now she is ice woman. :eek: :D

Also, how come EVERYTHING froze, but HRG and the bald dude could walk there with no problems?

[BobB]

Also, how come EVERYTHING froze, but HRG and the bald dude could walk there with no problems?

They came in after the freeze took place. They should have been sliding on the ice though.

[BobB]

This wasn't normal. This was a freeze supernova. This icy explosion was her shedding her chrysalis to emerge reborn, more powerful, no longer fully human. Now she is ice woman. :eek: :D

Hey, on this show you just might be right!

[Steveknj]

They came in after the freeze took place. They should have been sliding on the ice though.


Well yeah! And at LEAST LOOK cold!!

[busyba]

I must be an idiot, but I never considered Micah as Rebel

I'll refrain from the obvious insult that's just hanging there ( ;) ), but I'm thinking you're the only person on the planet who didn't think it was him.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'll refrain from the obvious insult that's just hanging there ( ;) ), but I'm thinking you're the only person on the planet who didn't think it was him.
Well, that's not fair. Three billion people thought it was him, and three billion people thought they were supposed to think it was him, but it was really someone else.

And then there was Steve... :D

[cheesesteak]

I vote for Ali Larter coming back with the ability of heroically wearing tiny bikinis.

[Trent Bates]

but I'm thinking you're the only person on the planet who didn't think it was him.

I'll come to his defense here and say that I didn't think Micah was even in the picture anymore. I wasn't thinking it was him either.

Maybe it wasn't him until Bryan Fuller came back. There seemed to be a change in what Rebel could do with technology suddenly.

[busyba]

btw.... was there ever any explanation about how the Puppet Master ended up giftwrapped in Danko's living room?

[aintnosin]

I vote for Ali Larter coming back with the ability of heroically wearing whipped cream bikinis.
FYP. :D

[tgrim1]

btw.... was there ever any explanation about how the Puppet Master ended up giftwrapped in Danko's living room?

Didnt the end of the last ep show sylar in the guys apartment? I cant remember.

[Hunter Green]

I think he can stop time at will, but can't teleport. And I would guess he can't time travel either.
I think that's a great way to get back what was wonderful about Hiro without having the story-breaking stuff along with it. The excuse for it was a bit thin but I'm going to look the other way.

Ando's super charge can also be a weapon - Cool
It seemed like we saw a few cases where a power worked differently than we knew it could before. Why did Tracy freeze herself along with everyone else? Presumably, because she was going farther than she ever did before, but it seemed a reach, particularly given that she seemed to know that that would happen. Why could Ando's power do something completely unrelated to its main use? (Probably because its main use turns out to be useless unless it becomes story-breaking.) Why could Matt fly? Oh, wait... ;) (My first thought was Sylar but I got the right answer a second later.) And Angela's dreams used to be long-term and more symbolic than that (okay, given how little we know about it, that's a quibble).

But I'm not complaining, really, I'm not. We need some of these changes, and we don't have time to build elaborate reasons for them.

Actually even with only gaining back the ability to stop time, Hiro has become the most powerful character again.
We don't mind "powerful", we just mind "breaks the story" and "requires the character to be intermittently dumb as a post to avoid breaking the story".

(Well, somebody has to be able to time-travel now that the only known existing method (Ando + Daphne) won't work any more.)
No, really, nobody has to be able to time-travel. We've done that, let's do something else. Time travel in the control of a character is too prone to breaking stories.

The dead sister was not one of the Wonder Triplets. The doctor who told Tracy about her past said the triplets were separated, each given to a separate family, and that the triplets' names were Tracy, Niki, and Barbara (not Jessica, the dead sister's name). He even mistook Tracy for this as-yet-unintroduced Barbara when he first saw her, so they have left an angle for Ali Larter to return to the show, if they so choose.
But they never addressed how Jessica fit into that at all.

I'm surprised they killed off Ali Larter's character without a week of "One of these Heroes will DIE!" promos. Or I missed them all.
But they'd have to say two of them... maybe.

Even if I found Ali Larter hot (I don't) I don't think I'd want her back anyway unless they found a way to keep the character from falling into the whiny-sultry-whiny-sultry thing she does. I don't know if it's the actress or the characters.

Surprised no one's had anything to say about Angela's story. The umbrella thing was nicely done, and it was interesting to see her carrying the shreds of her dignity even through all she went through. This is one woman who you can't keep down. Her friend commented on the stripping of her dignity but she was wrong.

[miketx]

I think Hiro is going to travel back to the island in 1977 and kill Ben.

Hahaha.....that's great :) Honestly, I wouldn't mind that.....Lost is another show that treats you like you have the IQ of a box of rocks, but has gotten a little better this season (except that it has turned into a soap opera).

I think Tracy will be back....that was a wink. However she comes back, it probably won't be flawless (we can find reasons why it doesn't make sense)...oh well.

Sylar gave the puppeteer to Danko. Sylar will start working with Danko to eliminate all of his competition....just like he was in the beginning. He wants to be the "numero uno" again and now he has a way to leverage the govt to help. He'll ditch Danko when Danko stops being useful. Until another character gets more power, it's hard to stop Sylar (ok, there are many ways, but none that the writers would like to utilize......that would remove the fun of messing with our heads).

[Rob Helmerichs]

Lost is another show that treats you like you have the IQ of a box of rocks...
:eek:

[Regina]

My 2 cents...

For my "Lost" fan friends-looks like Micah has Waaaaaaaaaaaalt disease ;)

And does anyone else think Matt's ex resembles the speedster? I know most men have a "type"-I just wonder if they will be connected somehow...:confused:

Like I said, just my 2 cents...:o

[JimSpence]

In previous episodes when Tracy froze a human body and it shattered, weren't there a whole lot of frozen human bits lying around? So why was Tracy just a whole lot of ice cubes? Because of this thought, I took the wink and tear as just the melting of a cube. I think Tracy was able to freeze a lookalike in ice.

I liked Daphne and am sorry that they did kill her off this time.

When will big Matt find out about little Matt's power? What will happen to little Matt's mother?

[Hunter Green]

And does anyone else think Matt's ex resembles the speedster?
I, for one, don't see it. And I didn't when we first met Daphne -- I even commented on how unlike she was to Matt's wife (who we'd gotten to know well in season one and saw a cameo of in season two, in case you forgot).

[dianebrat]

My 2 cents...

For my "Lost" fan friends-looks like Micah has Waaaaaaaaaaaalt disease ;)

HA!
But I do have to say it's not in issue in my book since unlike Lost, the Hereos timeline proceeds roughly at the same pace as ours (like HIMYM), not held to "each episode = 1 day" ala Lost usually does.

I'm still glad the "who is rebel" storyline is over, I was one of those people saying "of course it's Micah..."

Diane

[Hunter Green]

A friend of mine turns out to be the third person in the world to whom it never occurred that it was Micah.

[dianebrat]

A friend of mine turns out to be the third person in the world to whom it never occurred that it was Micah.
*chuckle*
I will say this, while it being Micah was no surprise to me, I really like both the actor and the character, so I'm ok with the return.

[Mr. Soze]

btw.... was there ever any explanation about how the Puppet Master ended up giftwrapped in Danko's living room?
Didnt the end of the last ep show sylar in the guys apartment? I cant remember.Yeahbut, didn't Claire rescue the Puppet Master in CA, while Sylar was somewhere in Montana or North Dakota or where ever looking for Daddy?

I know this show requires a lot of suspension of disbelieve, but I can't work that one.

[Mr. Soze]

*chuckle*
I will say this, while it being Micah was no surprise to me, I really like both the actor and the character, so I'm ok with the return.Hee hee. He reminds me of one of my son's best friends.

[newsposter]

"you are the people from the service" is pretty funny....i wonder how upset mom will be with the girl that left :)

Yes, I think most people made that assumption, but seeing the name Noah Gray-Cabey in the opening credits still kind of a spoiled it a little.


times like this i'm glad

1. i dont look at opening credits
2. have no idea who most people are in real life (and i have no idea how you people keep actors and writers etc all in your minds..i just watch tv)

I'm surprised they killed off Ali Larter's character without a week of "One of these Heroes will DIE!" promos. Or I missed them all.

ah the benefits of tivo are yours at last!

[Hunter Green]

Yeahbut, didn't Claire rescue the Puppet Master in CA, while Sylar was somewhere in Montana or North Dakota or where ever looking for Daddy?

I know this show requires a lot of suspension of disbelieve, but I can't work that one.
Hopefully that's just a mystery waiting for a later explanation.

[Craigbob]

Good episode...

I got a kick out of the shaving at the beginning. From what I hear 7am Platinums are good blades! I shave with a Gillette Fatboy so I enjoy seeing DE razors in use. It was amusing how Danko was clean shaven under the shave soap...

So did I. I hated 7am blades. I still have a box with only 1 or 2 left. I prefer feathers in my Merkur Classic HD. I have a couple of older Gillettes, but they fell on the floor and are not quite right.

[treyj]

Finally got around to seeing this ep... and I'm embarrassed to admit that Micah did not occur to me as Rebel. :rolleyes: But someone I was talking to did say something pretty funny... doesn't Peter take on the powers of whoever he touches? So as soon as he grabbed his mom, wouldn't he have lost the power to fly and had her lame power of seeing a few seconds into the future while napping? "Okay mom, let's go... uh oh! Wait... I see us being captured. Damn." Maybe he has to "will" it, but then again, he seemed to have gotten the freezing power by accident on the airplane a few eps ago. Perhaps he has learned how to control it better.

If Peter were to grab Sylar, I guess he'd get the motherload!

[Magister]

Finally got around to seeing this ep... and I'm embarrassed to admit that Micah did not occur to me as Rebel. :rolleyes: But someone I was talking to did say something pretty funny... doesn't Peter take on the powers of whoever he touches? So as soon as he grabbed his mom, wouldn't he have lost the power to fly and had her lame power of seeing a few seconds into the future while napping? "Okay mom, let's go... uh oh! Wait... I see us being captured. Damn." Maybe he has to "will" it, but then again, he seemed to have gotten the freezing power by accident on the airplane a few eps ago. Perhaps he has learned how to control it better.

If Peter were to grab Sylar, I guess he'd get the motherload!

It has been touched upon here before. He can 'choose' to suck up the power if he wants. He doesn't lose powers just because someone touches him. He switches when he wants to.

[busyba]

It has been touched upon here before. He can 'choose' to suck up the power if he wants. He doesn't lose powers just because someone touches him. He switches when he wants to.

And as with powers in general, this was something that he eventually learned to control. That's why when he was on the prisoner plane he lost his MohinderStrength when he accidentally touched Icegirl, but since then he has not lost his NathanFlight involuntarily.