24 - 2/23/2009

[cheesesteak]

Dubaku might be the dumbest criminal mastermind ever. Dude, there are other women out there. Get your butt to the airport.

When Agent Walker told Jack she'd read his file, I wished he'd said that she didn't know anything and then listed all the ways he's saved the country the last couple of years and then showed her his whip scars.

What role did FBI analyst Pruneface play in Dubaku's plot? Her name was on the list but what did she do?

Can you just order a paramedic to cut someone open to retrieve a device? Especially when nobody knows who you are and you have no id saying you're important? Is that illegal search and seizure or something?

[stevieleej]

Wow! I keep a list of everyone on my payroll in a chip beneath my skin too!

If you were the President and someone told you they had a list of 100 gov't employees who were in on this plot, wouldn't your first question be, "Is there anyone close to me on the list - Secret Service, Staff, Cabinet members, etc.?"

I fully expected Dubaku to be gone after Jack helped rescue the girlfriend. Also there was no need for her to die. She had no more information to pass on. Maybe the sister is going to turn bad now.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Seriously, a chip under the skin? How often does he extract it to update the data?

Even in Jack land, that one is a stretch. Not as big as erasing dozens of servers in 10 seconds but the computer stuff is always wrong. I mean, who really opens a socket? :D

And the Sen's aide who is on the list... How many milliseconds before he gets arrested if he is on the list.



And the previews? Seriously, the WH must be the least secure building in DC, go to the IHOP at least there you'd get free pancakes!

[danplaysbass]

So it seems like Walker is truly ready to snap. It was kind of chilling when she told Jack that she was ready to use her gun him.

I totally expected that when Jack left Dubaku to help Walker that he would get away. I was SHOCKED when he was still laying there on the pavement.

[BitbyBlit]

Seriously, a chip under the skin? How often does he extract it to update the data?

I think he only put it there recently to ensure that he could make it out of the country safely once everything went down. I don't think it was under his skin while he was gathering all the data, particularly since this chip was a "read-once" chip.

[jay_man2]

...

I totally expected that when Jack left Dubaku to help Walker that he would get away. I was SHOCKED when he was still laying there on the pavement.Me too.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Can you just order a paramedic to cut someone open to retrieve a device? Especially when nobody knows who you are and you have no id saying you're important? Is that illegal search and seizure or something?
He had a 9mm warrant. :D

[Paperboy2003]

Anyone notice Dr Beardface (pronounced Beard Fa - say) showing up in the background at the hospital....

[scooterboy]

I totally expected that when Jack left Dubaku to help Walker that he would get away. I was SHOCKED when he was still laying there on the pavement.

That's because there was no perimeter. If Jack had set up a perimeter, Dubaku certainly would have escaped.

[fog00]

Anyone notice Dr Beardface (pronounced Beard Fa - say) showing up in the background at the hospital....

YES! My wife was napping on the couch and almost had a heart attack when I yelled "IT'S BEARDFACE". I watched it three times. If it wasn't him, it was someone who looked a whole lot like him.

[Paperboy2003]

YES! My wife was napping on the couch and almost had a heart attack when I yelled "IT'S BEARDFACE". I watched it three times. If it wasn't him, it was someone who looked a whole lot like him.

It was him, obviously he has hours at that hospital in addition to Sacred Heart

[Jeeters]

Can you just order a paramedic to cut someone open to retrieve a device? Especially when nobody knows who you are and you have no id saying you're important? Is that illegal search and seizure or something?
He had a 9mm warrant. :DAnd shoved the warrant in the paramedics gut no less.

[IJustLikeTivo]

I think he only put it there recently to ensure that he could make it out of the country safely once everything went down. I don't think it was under his skin while he was gathering all the data, particularly since this chip was a "read-once" chip.

No surgical scars at all? How up to date was his blackmail list? :D

BTW, I was surprised when dubaku was still there post explosion as well. A complete contradiction to the 24 bad guy escape rules.

[Jimbo713]

This is an entertaining season. It's on to Chapter 2 - next week with a 2-hour episode. And it's getting dark!

[DevdogAZ]

I totally expected that when Jack left Dubaku to help Walker that he would get away. I was SHOCKED when he was still laying there on the pavement.
Totally expected that too.

If he had inserted the chip under his skin recently, wouldn't there be a bandage or a scab or a scar?

[IJustLikeTivo]

Totally expected that too.

If he had inserted the chip under his skin recently, wouldn't there be a bandage or a scab or a scar?

Nice smeekage... :D I was surprised no one said something before me. Seemed obvious.

Besides, aren't there easier places to hide a chip.... Where to Hide Secret Chips (http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=419401&highlight=14)

[Bierboy]

Seriously, a chip under the skin? How often does he extract it to update the data?

It's done wirelessly....:D


I totally expected that when Jack left Dubaku to help Walker that he would get away. I was SHOCKED when he was still laying there on the pavement.
First thing I said to my wife -- "Dubaku's getting away..." Must have been a good mis-direct for so many of us to assume he would get away.

[retrodog]

The chip was bluetooth enabled. He could update it any time he wanted to.

Dubaku didn't escape because he had outlived his purpose. It's time for the BIG DOG to get in the game.

[cheesesteak]

I guess in the 24-verse, when you kill a coworker and get shot yourself, you just change your shirt and go back to work. Me, I'm taking the afternoon off.

I hate the First Beyotch, I mean Daughter.

[jay_man2]

...
I hate the First Beyotch, I mean Daughter.I still see the cast of Jericho in my head whenever I see her. :o

[Rob Helmerichs]

Dubaku didn't escape because he had outlived his purpose. It's time for the BIG DOG to get in the game.
Or at least, the MEDIUM DOG!

[ihatecable]

Love how you can use the Paddles on Dubaku two or three times and it doesnt get fried!

[twincaminferno]

I guess in the 24-verse, when you kill a coworker and get shot yourself, you just change your shirt and go back to work. Me, I'm taking the afternoon off.


You might wanna contact HR because YOUR RUNNING OUT OF VACATION TIME!!

[DevdogAZ]

Nice smeekage... :D I was surprised no one said something before me. Seemed obvious.
Sorry. You must have posted as I was typing.

[spikedavis]

I thought this was a great episode! One of the best in a long time. I loved the scene with Billy Mitchell trying to waltz out of the FBI.

[stevieleej]

I guess in the 24-verse, when you kill a coworker and get shot yourself, you just change your shirt and go back to work.
He didn't even wince when bending his elbow to put is jacket on.

[DevdogAZ]

He didn't even wince when bending his elbow to put is jacket on.
And when the guards grabbed his arm to lead him away, he didn't wince again.

[twincaminferno]

Great episode however this is why the FBI has that strict no dating policy...

[gchance]

My favorite part of this thread is the fact that virtually nobody took this episode seriously. Come to think of it, nobody takes 24 seriously anymore, we just have fun watching and picking it apart in the threads, hehe.

Poor Dubaku just needs love, can't any of you see that?!?!?

I must say though, that car chase and subsequent crash was GREAT, it had me cheering anyway.

Greg

[gchance]

And when the guards grabbed his arm to lead him away, he didn't wince again.

And when the non-torturous boss grabbed him. As he did that, I said, "Now! Take him away! And... don't torture him."

Sort of like when Jack Bauer, when he was about to mention Rack Bauer pulling her gun on him, said, "Oh by the way..." I finished, "...I faked every orgasm."

Greg

[Peter000]

Totally enjoyable ending to the story arc. Though I winced when out of the blue Chloe called up the FBI guy and said "It's a miracle, don't ask me how, but I retrieved the data from the chip." And of course the guy asks how and she responds with total technobabble.

[Peter000]

He didn't even wince when bending his elbow to put is jacket on.

And when the guards grabbed his arm to lead him away, he didn't wince again.

He just had no feelings. Literally, he had no nerve endings so felt no pain. :D

[IJustLikeTivo]

Totally enjoyable ending to the story arc. Though I winced when out of the blue Chloe called up the FBI guy and said "It's a miracle, don't ask me how, but I retrieved the data from the chip." And of course the guy asks how and she responds with total technobabble.

Right, cause she forgot she did illegal off site backups of secret government data from the siprnet...... Right....

[gchance]

BTW, mole-guy barely even winced when he was in the process of shooting himself. Even Michael on Lost winced more. WAAAALT! Er... JAAAAACCK!

Greg

[Brute]

What bugged me the most about this episode is that, in the midst of a massive government conspiracy, where Jack says multiple times that you can't trust anyone, what does he do?

He hands the one and only piece of evidence off to some random helicopter pilot to have it delivered to the FBI. No chance that guy was in on it?

W H A T ?

[IJustLikeTivo]

What bugged me the most about this episode is that, in the midst of a massive government conspiracy, where Jack says multiple times that you can't trust anyone, what does he do?

He hands the one and only piece of evidence off to some random helicopter pilot to have it delivered to the FBI. No chance that guy was in on it?

W H A T ?

Well, he had access to the FBI heliport..... ?????? Of course, what the helo guy was doing in the middle of the street at that moment isn't quite clear either.....

But they show up for all routine traffic accidents, right?

[Jimbo713]

He hands the one and only piece of evidence off to some random helicopter pilot to have it delivered to the FBI.

I noticed that too. And Jack rattled off the instructions to that stranger so quickly - - -

[johnny99]

What bugged me the most about this episode is that, in the midst of a massive government conspiracy, where Jack says multiple times that you can't trust anyone, what does he do?

He hands the one and only piece of evidence off to some random helicopter pilot to have it delivered to the FBI. No chance that guy was in on it?

W H A T ?

I was actually very surprised that the chip survived. I was expecting the helicopter to be shot down on the way to the FBI.

[getreal]

I totally expected that when Jack left Dubaku to help Walker that he would get away. I was SHOCKED when he was still laying there on the pavement.

You must've been thinking of Sylar from "Heroes". :down: :D

I was distracted by the speed that the computer nerd healed from the self-inflicted gunshot wound to his arm just moments before he put on his jacket effortlessly and then went running down the halls with both arms swinging away, and then being arrested and having one of the arresting agents grabbing his arm with no pain on the part of the traitorous geek.

I guess in the 24-verse, when you kill a coworker and get shot yourself, you just change your shirt and go back to work. Me, I'm taking the afternoon off.

He didn't even wince when bending his elbow to put is jacket on.

And when the guards grabbed his arm to lead him away, he didn't wince again.

He just had no feelings. Literally, he had no nerve endings so felt no pain. :D

Looks like I was shooting for the double- or triple-smeek, but managed to pull off a quadruple-smeek with a half-twist double-pike sow-cow. :)

[johnny99]

The chip was bluetooth enabled. He could update it any time he wanted to.

Dubaku didn't escape because he had outlived his purpose. It's time for the BIG DOG to get in the game.

What happened to Angelina Jolie's dad? He showed up in the first couple of episodes this season, then disappeared. You know that a minor African warlord could cause this much corruption in the US government. However, if you saw the previews of next week's episode, it does look like the warlord plot is going to continue at a least a little longer.

Is Jack Bauer's dad still alive? Was last season the last time we saw him?

[Rob Helmerichs]

What happened to Angelina Jolie's dad? He showed up in the first couple of episodes this season, then disappeared.
No, he didn't...he was in the movie before the season, but not since.

[retrodog]

What happened to Angelina Jolie's dad? He showed up in the first couple of episodes this season, then disappeared. You know that a minor African warlord could cause this much corruption in the US government. However, if you saw the previews of next week's episode, it does look like the warlord plot is going to continue at a least a little longer.

Is Jack Bauer's dad still alive? Was last season the last time we saw him?

No, the minor African warlord didn't cause this corruption. It was caused by his boss, the Major African warlord.

DEATH to all African warlords!!!

[goMO]

What bugged me the most about this episode is that, in the midst of a massive government conspiracy, where Jack says multiple times that you can't trust anyone, what does he do?

He hands the one and only piece of evidence off to some random helicopter pilot to have it delivered to the FBI. No chance that guy was in on it?

W H A T ?

hasn't Jack been watching Prison Break? When Michael handed over the whatchamacallit to whatshisname??

[terpfan1980]

I'm not sure what I could add to the thoughts above really, as the discussion has covered much of what I've thought about how the season and episodes have been going. I guess the one thing that does spring to mind is how the commercials (yes, I see those every now and then) and previews of what was coming on this episode that had been airing throughout the last week were fairly true to what was promised... they kept touting an episode that changes everything, and by the end, well, everything had changed and there was the nice reappearance of Tony to move us into the next phase of things.

I am looking forward to the next 2 hours. It should be a nice jump along in the story lines :up:

[goMO]

also, I usually can put the unrealistic stuff aside, but are you telling me there were no cameras in the server room??!! the FBI mole had video shots of everywhere else in the building so he could see when they were coming, but he thought his story would just be believed??

Also, if they took any prints from the gun, they wouldn't have found the girl's prints on them..

[retrodog]

also, I usually can put the unrealistic stuff aside, but are you telling me there were no cameras in the server room??!! the FBI mole had video shots of everywhere else in the building so he could see when they were coming, but he thought his story would just be believed??

Also, if they took any prints from the gun, they wouldn't have found the girl's prints on them..

That would produce little workable evidence. The magazine is plastic with an anti-print surface. Most of the rest of the gun has a similar finish. The only practical/meaningful place to look would have been the bullets in the mag, which would have most likely had the guy's prints. Since he grappled the gun from her, after she shot it, any of her prints (missing) would have been considered the result of him handling/smudging them away. But hey, this is 24 and we're discussing it way too far.


But as far as him not taking the day off after being shot... well duh!!! he still had to TCB. :D

[jebbbz]

That would produce little workable evidence. The magazine is plastic with an anti-print surface. Most of the rest of the gun has a similar finish...

An "anti-fingerprint" finish actually hold fingerprints quite well - such a finish means it is resistant to corrosion caused by oils and acids left by contact with skin. A highly textured grip might make it tough to lift prints from but the magazine (metal or plastic) and slide should be easy targets for CSI. And, unless the guy-mole claims to have wiped the gun clean after he wrestled it away from girl-mole but before he shot her the absence of her fingerprints would be suspiscious, even to the FBI of the world of 24.

[smak]

I totally expected that when Jack left Dubaku to help Walker that he would get away. I was SHOCKED when he was still laying there on the pavement.

Me too.

Totally expected that too.




LOL. I wonder if this is a storytelling device. Set up a very cliched situation, and then don't do it, and the audience gives you credit for not doing the obvious that happens in every other TV show/movie.

-smak-

[busyba]

Right after they arrest Billy Walsh and Moss says "Get me Bill Buchanan" they cut to Dubaku being treated at the hospital, Then they cut to a POV from over Agent Freckles' shoulder. In that shot we see one of the doctors treating Dubaku.

Is it just me or was that Dr. Beardface from Scrubs?

EDIT: I see now that it wasn't just me. :o In my defense, I hadn't finished the episode yet (I ran to the computer to post this as soon as I saw him) and I didn't read the thread so as to avoid spoilers for the rest of the ep.

[smak]

Self policing smeek! I like it.

-smak-

[busyba]

Oh, I forgot to mention... the wrong sister died. :)

[Eptiger]

Well, he had access to the FBI heliport..... ?????? Of course, what the helo guy was doing in the middle of the street at that moment isn't quite clear either.....

But they show up for all routine traffic accidents, right?

This is one of the several problems I had with this episode. Am I the only person who was sorely disappointed in it overall? I thought it was the worst of the season and the previous for next week don't instill much confidence in me.

I'm a big 24 fan, but I'm finding it very difficult now suspending my disbelief.


The trusting the random FBI guy was pretty big to me.
I question the legitimacy of this self-erasing storage device. Maybe this technology is just top secret or something, but I don't see how it's possible that once you get the data off of it, it knows to erase itself. How does it know you copied everything off? If it erased itself after being unplugged, it would need its own CPU to do that.
Even if we believe that they could erase every hard drive on the FBI network by "crashing the servers" (I could only see this from a security standpoint of the network being compromised), why was Chloe on the network to copy data off a storage device? They know that someone was listening in on them because they knew about Jack and Rack, so why did she plug into the network?
Agent Moss was too accepting and trusting of the mole. He knew there was probably another mole but he didn't question that dude as being one?
I know they've done it before, but I hate when they sow up these story arcs like this to pull out the terrorists' plan D.
I wasn't happy with Rack Bauer's acting this episode. I wasn't convinced by her line that she was prepared to shoot Jack, even if it was a cool line. Her questioning of Jack's methods have dragged on a little too long.
How did Tony find Jack? Why was he randomly just sitting out in the open like that?


I want to believe everything the show is telling me, but it's getting too ridiculous.

Elton

[tgmii]

Rack Bauer.. that made my day!

I really have to plug my ears when they make up computer talk. Or maybe a version of that box that reads the closed captions and bleeps it. I'm sure my wife feels the same way with medical shows, but it messes with the "suspend disbelief" thing.

Tom

[cheesesteak]

I'm a big 24 fan, but I'm finding it very difficult now suspending my disbelief.

You're just now having problems suspending belief? 24 has been a belief suspending fiesta since the first episode.

[zordude]

If I heard "main frame room" one more time I was gonna chuck something at the tv.

[gchance]

If I heard "main frame room" one more time I was gonna chuck something at the tv.

That's for the stupid audience who will be confused if they say "computer room". "But every room is a computer room."

Greg

[SeanC]

For the 24verse I was surprised by the memory chip story mini-arc.

Normally I would have expected that they wouldn't have gotten the data from the card one way or another so when the reformatting (LOL) destroyed the information I figured that was the end of the normal arc, but then Cloie's sudden recollection of the data mirror saving the day caught me off guard.

So in the sense of being surprised, I liked the arc of the story.

[jay_man2]

That's for the stupid audience who will be confused if they say "computer room". "But every room is a computer room."

GregBut at least use it correctly. Mainframe room, not Main Frame room like she said it.

[DevdogAZ]

Oh, I forgot to mention... the wrong sister died. :)
Both sisters should have died. Better yet, neither sister should have ever been introduced into the story.
For the 24verse I was surprised by the memory chip story mini-arc.

Normally I would have expected that they wouldn't have gotten the data from the card one way or another so when the reformatting (LOL) destroyed the information I figured that was the end of the normal arc, but then Cloie's sudden recollection of the data mirror saving the day caught me off guard.

So in the sense of being surprised, I liked the arc of the story.
Your post reminded me: I loved how when Jack pulled out the chip from Dubaku and got on the phone, he said he'd never seen anything like it and therefore couldn't upload the data.

But as soon as Chloe sees it, not only did she know exactly what kind of card it was, but she had a reader for it RIGHT ON HER DESK! And we're not talking about a real desk where a techy like her would have access to every device known to man, but a temporary workstation set up in the conference room by a guy who doesn't even know how to properly set up his own network.

[jking]

Love how Jon Voight's identity has been reduced to "Angelina Jolie's Dad".

[DeDondeEs]

My favorite part of the episode was watching agent Walker quickly run down the street after Dubaku's car flipped over. :D

[gchance]

My favorite part of the episode was watching agent Walker quickly run down the street after Dubaku's car flipped over. :D

Come to think of it, I quite enjoyed that part as well.

Greg

[Rob Helmerichs]

Love how Jon Voight's identity has been reduced to "Angelina Jolie's Dad".
I wonder if he'd prefer "Midnight Cowboy"? :D

[rawbi01]

My favorite part of the episode was watching agent Walker quickly run down the street after Dubaku's car flipped over. :D

Double +1 !!

[uncdrew]

Oh, I forgot to mention... the wrong sister died. :)

But is she really dead?

:p



You never know on this show...

[johnny99]

Love how Jon Voight's identity has been reduced to "Angelina Jolie's Dad".

What would you rather be known as, a 4-time Oscar nominated actor, or Angelina Jolie's Dad? :)

I bet he is going to show up on 24 pretty soon.

[gchance]

I can't wait for them to reveal that Dumas has a pet cougar whose girlfriend is Kim Bauer.

Greg

[busyba]

I can't wait for them to reveal that Dumas has a pet cougar whose girlfriend is Kim Bauer.

Greg


Juma?

[madscientist]

Actually Chloe making a backup of the critical data they could only retrieve one time was the most realistically intelligent thing they've done on this show in a while. Then they turn around and ruin it by explaining that the backup was being decrypted the whole time. Man! I want to get me some backup storage space that will oh-by-the-way continue to work decrypting files while I'm doing something else.

[Tivo_60]

Speaking of next Mon night, anyone else with Fios have the dvr series manager NOT schedule 24 for recording.
I even set the options to record both first run and repeats, but no luck. Each week I have to set it to record manually.
The only time it scheduled it properly was the second hr of the premier.

[gchance]

Juma?

Yeah, him. Candyman. Tony Todd.

Greg

[jay_man2]

Speaking of next Mon night, anyone else with Fios have the dvr series manager NOT schedule 24 for recording.
I even set the options to record both first run and repeats, but no luck. Each week I have to set it to record manually.
The only time it scheduled it properly was the second hr of the premier.No problem here. My FiOS DVR problem is with it scheduling reruns of House, but with 24 I have no issues. But the FiOS DVR is my 24 backup if the Series 3 craps out.

[Snappa77]

Yeah, him. Candyman. Tony Todd.

Greg

Worf's brother.

[gchance]

Worf's brother.

Jake Sisko.

Greg

[johnny99]

According to the Tivo schedule, Angelina Jolie's dad is guest starring on the next episode of 24. You had to figure that the series plot was going to expand sooner or later.

[newsposter]

Seriously, a chip under the skin? How often does he extract it to update the data?


i think there's a morphine pump or some other kind of stimulator unit ( i forget which) that can be adjusted thru the skin vs ripping it open..medtronics is the company i believe.

I love when jack sacrificed the car but he had to know he'd need it to get away ...maybe. Poor innocent getting killed, i guess it's par for the course with 'redshirts.' I think walker will need some serious downtime or therapy after this.

[jay_man2]

... I think walker will need some serious downtime or therapy after this.Nah, just do a Dollhouse crossover night and have her wiped. :p

[jrm01]

Tonight I finally got around to watching last week's Lost episode and then spent an hour reading through the Episode Thread here. Then I watched last weeks 24 and read this thread. What a difference. I enjoy both shows, buy my how they are so different in quality.

The Lost Thread consists of constant interpretations, theories and conclusions. This one concentrates on the actors/actresses and general discussion. I think it just shows how thin and shallow the plots are on 24 anymore, and how convoluted and twisted the Lost plots are.

Like I said, I enjoy both Series and like hearing the comments here, but they are really different.

[riddick21]

This episode sucked balls.