Tivo Series 3 Display [Text View]

dianebrat

02-24-2009, 07:07 AM

It only shows the format info when you're changing the format, it will not show it as a status screen. Apparently the pre-release beauty shots showed the Format section lit, but it's never been lit on the released software.

Diane

Resist

02-24-2009, 07:49 AM

RoyK

02-24-2009, 08:03 AM

Messages & Settings/Settings/Displays/Displays on the Front of the DVR/LED Lights
Change to All LEDs On

Resist

02-24-2009, 09:14 AM

Why would I want all the LEDs on?

RoyK

02-24-2009, 09:19 AM

It's a misnomer. That setting enables the front panel resolution display.

sinanju

02-24-2009, 09:55 AM

Actually it is lit and I figured it out, there is a format button below the clock on the display. Pressing it changes the TV format while lighting up the format section on the Tivo display.

If only this button was on the remote, instead of having to navigate through the menu to change it, would make things easier.

Why would you want that button on the remote? The intent is that it is set once when the TiVo is installed and perhaps again if you replace the TV.

Resist

02-24-2009, 09:04 PM

Why would you want that button on the remote? The intent is that it is set once when the TiVo is installed and perhaps again if you replace the TV.Depending on the pictured content I change mine all the time so I get a better display.

Resist

02-24-2009, 09:31 PM

That setting enables the front panel resolution display.I already had them on but it doesn't show the display format until you press the button on the front of the Tivo box.

sinanju

02-24-2009, 11:01 PM

Depending on the pictured content I change mine all the time so I get a better display.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Either you'd want the TiVo to scale, when necessary, or the TV... and there are setting for each, and variations for native TV resolutions.

Perhaps you could provide an example?

Resist

02-25-2009, 12:57 AM

sinanju

02-25-2009, 06:28 PM

With the format option on the remote I could change the screen to 480i/P or 720P or 1080i to suit the viewing for my TV. This would be useful to me because then I could view 480 content in full screen (due to my TV's limitations) without it being zoomed or distorted.

I'm assuming you have a 16:9 HD TV...

And setting the (1) Video Output Format fixed to the native resolution of the TV, (2) Aspect Correction to Panel, and (3) TV Aspect to Smart Screen doesn't do all of that they way you want automatically? What doesn't work?

For me and my 720p TV, the TiVo scales down 1080i very nicely... as nicely as my TV would, if not better. 480i is scaled up nicely and presented in proper aspect without zooming. 720p works just fine, of course.

I could, of course, go with hybrid on the output format and let the TV scale, but the picture jumps badly when the format changes.

dianebrat

02-25-2009, 07:31 PM

Messages & Settings/Settings/Displays/Displays on the Front of the DVR/LED Lights
Change to All LEDs On
But that will only make it so that if you do press the format button, the format will be displayed, then it goes off, it's not displayed all the time, which is what I thought the OP was asking about..

Diane

RoyK

02-25-2009, 07:54 PM

But that will only make it so that if you do press the format button, the format will be displayed, then it goes off, it's not displayed all the time, which is what I thought the OP was asking about..

Diane

It is displayed all the time on mine.

windracer

02-25-2009, 09:28 PM

I think there's some confusion here between the original Series3 (with the OLED display) which doesn't show the format and the newer THD models which have LEDs on the front showing the resolution.

dianebrat

02-25-2009, 10:35 PM

I think there's some confusion here between the original Series3 (with the OLED display) which doesn't show the format and the newer THD models which have LEDs on the front showing the resolution.
I think you're 100% correct
The original beauty shots of the S3 show the format showing in the OLED, but in practice the OLED only shows format when you change it. I think those beauty shots are the ones the OP found.

As opposed to the LED discrete format display in the TivoHD

rainwater

02-25-2009, 10:48 PM

I think you're 100% correct
The original beauty shots of the S3 show the format showing in the OLED, but in practice the OLED only shows format when you change it.

I think they do this to save the OLED display so it will last longer.

Resist

02-26-2009, 02:42 AM

And setting the (1) Video Output Format fixed to the native resolution of the TV, (2) Aspect Correction to Panel, and (3) TV Aspect to Smart Screen doesn't do all of that they way you want automatically? What doesn't work?My TV's HD component inputs only support 480p/720p/1080i, so when 480i content is displayed my screen goes blank if I use Native. I don't have an input the supports it all. By changing the format on the remote I could easily change to 480i.

Yes I know I need a more up to date TV with more input options.

bkdtv

02-26-2009, 02:52 AM

My TV's HD component inputs only support 480p/720p/1080i, so when 480i content is displayed my screen goes blank if I use Native. I don't have an input the supports it all. By changing the format on the remote I could easily change to 480i.

Yes I know I need a more up to date TV with more input options.Or you could just use hybrid, which is the same as native, except it outputs 480i as 480p.

There should be no reason for a user to manually change the format on the fly.

Resist

02-26-2009, 08:11 AM

I already tried Hybrid but the picture jumps to much between channel changes. I tried them all and only the 720p fixed or 1080i fixed work right. And again, it's all due to my TV's input limitation.

sinanju

02-26-2009, 08:35 AM

I already tried Hybrid but the picture jumps to much between channel changes. I tried them all and only the 720p fixed or 1080i fixed work right. And again, it's all due to my TV's input limitation.

Right. But once you pick 720p or 1080i fixed (matching whatever the native resolution of the TV may be) , along with the other settings I mentioned, there is absolutely no benefit -- none at all -- to changing it. I haven't heard you say what doesn't work for you if you were to do that. There's no reason to switch to 480i when your TiVo will scale it for you to the native resolution of the set without the distortion you say you don't want.

Resist

02-26-2009, 08:52 AM

It works but then I can't change the picture to full screen as that component input only allows for Wide or normal (normal makes HD input scrunched). If the content is not wide screen then I have to watch it with bars, which I would rather not. By changing the format I can get 480i content to fill my TV screen without being zoomed and cut off.

Many shows, while transmitted in HD are not wide screen, something I don't understand as all new TV's are now wide screen. So yes I would be giving up resolution for the format with some shows.

At the present time I have to use the Tivo remote and the TV remote to adjust my TV's screen to my liking. So a format button on the Tivo remote would eliminate one step for me.

sinanju

02-26-2009, 09:22 AM

So, you have a 4:3 TV on a composite connection?

I just happened to have a TV connected to my S3 via composite. I use baluns and CAT5e so my kitchen TV can see what's going on on the livingroom TiVo, so I put it into 4:3 mode and tried the following settings:

Aspect Correction Mode: Panel
TV Aspect Ratio: 4:3 Classic (4:3 only)
480i Fixed (I don't think 480p would make a difference)

720p and 1080i are properly scaled down and the 16:9 aspect ratio is presented properly letterboxed with bars top and bottom. 480i content fills the screen in proper aspect.

Why would that not work for you? Are you getting a postage stamp effect on 16:9 channels broadcasting 4:3 content?

You'd have to admit that situation is pretty rare -- your setup and that circumstance. Hardly worth adding a button to a remote that would, in almost every instance, never be pressed.

Resist

02-26-2009, 09:50 AM

16:9 on component connection.

As I said I don't want bars on the lower resolution content, I want everything to full screen without being zoomed or stretched. At least not the Tivo full stretch, I would rather use my TV's Panoramic stretch mode. It has one of the most natural looking stretch modes I have seen.

Yes my situation is rare but when my TV was introduced into the market there were only a few stations transmitting in wide screen HiDef. Why all 3 component inputs didn't cover the entire HD range is beyond me.

aaronwt

02-26-2009, 11:22 AM

"..natural looking stretch.."

:confused::confused:

There is nothing natural about stretching.

Resist

02-26-2009, 07:52 PM

Yes my Samsung HLN617W has a more natural looking stretch in that in stretches only the sides of the screen. So everything in the center looks very normal. You really can't see the stretch on the sides unless there is a ticker tape viewing on it. The Tivo's full mode looks more like my TV's Wide mode (with non HiDef wide screen content), where it is stretched evenly across the screen.

aaronwt

02-27-2009, 08:41 AM

That's just it. You see it stretched anytime there is something on the side like a person, a desk, a car. The only time you wouldn't notice is if you never look at the sides which I always do.
But I also understand that it is a personal preferecne, it's just one of those things that annoys me if I'm watching something since to me it is very noticeable and everytime something is on the sides(which is almost all the time) I notice the distortion and distracts me.

astrohip

02-27-2009, 01:10 PM

"..natural looking stretch.."

:confused::confused:

There is nothing natural about stretching.

Says you!

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1566/200603/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1566-271696.jpg

jrm01

02-27-2009, 01:28 PM

Please repost the "stretcher". My aspect ratio must be messed up, the bottom half was cut off.:D

Resist

02-28-2009, 02:21 AM

That's just it. You see it stretched anytime there is something on the side like a person, a desk, a car. The only time you wouldn't notice is if you never look at the sides which I always do.And yet again.....as I stated, the Samsung Panoramic stretch is not noticeable (EVEN LOOKING AT IT) unless there is a ticker tape rolling along the bottom of the screen. It is so subtle that you would be amazed but I guess you need to see it to believe it.