Heroes 2/23/09 "Cold Wars"

[Rob Helmerichs]

I wonder what happens when Psycho Midget learns that Primatech was a front for a cabal of Masters of the Universe with super-powers? Including a number of Petrellis?

Nothing good, I bet!

By the way, I notice that the ousted producers weren't in the credits for the first time, although Bryan Fuller isn't either...yet.

[NJChris]

Parkman was the designated IDIOT for this episode.

So he can make those guys all shoot themselves at the plane crash but not here?

[Cragmyre]

Parkman was the designated IDIOT for this episode.

So he can make those guys all shoot themselves at the plane crash but not here?

In my opinion, he wasn't thinking straight. Part of him wanted to get caught to be with Daphney.

[berkchops516]

Not sure how much longer I'm going to stick with this.

[Ment]

Parkman was the designated IDIOT for this episode.

So he can make those guys all shoot themselves at the plane crash but not here?

Obviously he thought he was in the X-Men universe and everyone one else was wearing Magneto helmets..

[Alfer]

A big MEH from me on this episode....wow how the mighty have fallen.

I sure miss the excitement of the first season.

[NatasNJ]

I had to Fast Forward large chunks this episode. Everytime it would flash back and show what has happened in the past few weeks just lost my interest instantly. So I FF all those scenes. Sad. Season 1 was so so good.

At this point why focus on 5 hereos. I would welcome them pulling a 4400 approach where you see the bad guys go round up OTHER hereos (one a week) and grab them instead of what seems just dealing with the same 5 heroes all of which I wish would just die. And thr 4400 idea would be horrible but couldn't touch the level of suck this season has been...

[headroll]

A few notes.

Looks like they were trying to reclaim the feel of "Company Man" one of the BEST Heroes episodes to date. FAIL.

So Mohinder has super strength, but can not break out of a few chains. FAIL.

-Roll

[jeepair]

I wanted Peter (while flying with Parkman) to absorb Parkman's powers and both of them drop to the Earth from 1000 feet. Hmm, how much does Parkman weigh? How can 'weak' Peter pick him up and fly.

yawn episode.

[allan]

I wanted Peter (while flying with Parkman) to absorb Parkman's powers and both of them drop to the Earth from 1000 feet. Hmm, how much does Parkman weigh? How can 'weak' Peter pick him up and fly.

yawn episode.

Well, I'd guess that speed and momentum would help a lot, though I bet Peter's sore, just as Nathan was when he carried Parkman at the end of S2. :) But, it is interesting that Peter didn't get Parkman's powers like he did Tracy's in the plane. Maybe he's getting better control of his "new" powers.

[flyers088]

Well, I'd guess that speed and momentum would help a lot, though I bet Peter's sore, just as Nathan was when he carried Parkman at the end of S2. :) But, it is interesting that Peter didn't get Parkman's powers like he did Tracy's in the plane. Maybe he's getting better control of his "new" powers.

I think they just screwed up and forgot their own rules for Peter.

[Sirius Black]

While the flashback scenes may not have been all that interesting, they were beautiful to watch. The B&W in HD is fantastic!

[jking]

Didn't the promos say something like we would know once and for all when this episode was over whether HRG was good or bad? Did I miss something? Sure, he's secretly working with Ma Petrelli, but what is that supposed to tell me? She's no angel.

[unicorngoddess]

I, too, was confused when Peter was able to fly away with Parkman. If this was the first episode with the new staff, then is it possible there are going to be some instances where they just change stuff out of the blue? I even mentioned to hubby after that scene that it should have gone, poof...flash...oops as Peter and Parkman would just be standing there as Peter wouldn't have been able to fly away and just be able to read everyone's minds.

[cruton]

Didn't the promos say something like we would know once and for all when this episode was over whether HRG was good or bad? Did I miss something? Sure, he's secretly working with Ma Petrelli, but what is that supposed to tell me? She's no angel.

I think if Nathan = Bad, then HRG is good because it looks like he's working with Ma Petrelli to undermine Nathan's plans. Who knows?

The only storyline that is even remotely enjoyable to watch is Sylar's. I think I'm going to give it a couple more weeks and call it quits if things don't improve. Last night's episode was horrible. I don't know what I'm going to do if I see another painting on the floor of Isaac's apartment depicting a city in ruins.

[atrac]

I think they just screwed up and forgot their own rules for Peter.

I already didn't care for this episode and you just made me realize that I should like it even less! ;)

Look Mom, another large floor painting showing another "big explosion" that they have to stop from happening!

[allan]

I already didn't care for this episode and you just made me realize that I should like it even less! ;)

Look Mom, another large floor painting showing another "big explosion" that they have to stop from happening!

*sigh* I wouldn't have objected if the prophetic paintings had gone the way of the time-travellers.

[BK89]

Yeah - this one could have been the most boring ep yet! Did anything happen? Except for these morons getting caught again? How did super strength and mind control guy get taken down with a couple of tasers? This is seriously feeling like a chore to watch (like last season felt)...

I had last season sitting on my DVR for almost 6 months before I got around to watching them - now I am thinking I should have just deleted them and not caught up at all... :down:

[hapdrastic]

I don't understand the Peter confusion. It requires skin-to-skin contact, as far as we've seen. Maybe he just didn't touch the skin. Or maybe he now has more control and didn't *try* to take the power, so it stayed as flight. Of the things to complain about in this episode, the Peter/Parkman issue isn't even on the radar.

[Shakhari]

*sigh* I wouldn't have objected if the prophetic paintings had gone the way of the time-travellers.

I'm hoping that they nerf Hiro's powers the same way that they nerfed Peter's ... that is, when Hiro gets his powers back, he can only move through space, not through time.

[That Don Guy]

*sigh* I wouldn't have objected if the prophetic paintings had gone the way of the time-travellers.
Don't forget that Daphne and Ando combined can time travel.

Here's an idea: notice that, in the painting, the explosion is in the "background" of DC. Perhaps they can have Daphne and Ando travel back in time just after the explosion appears but before the shock wave gets to, presumably, the rest of them, and they go back to a time before all of this rounding up of people with powers started - they can even call it "Pushing the Reset Button", as that's what it will be - intentionally, so fans can just pretend that this season never happened.

-- Don

[UTV2TiVo]

I'm hoping that they nerf Hiro's powers the same way that they nerfed Peter's ... that is, when Hiro gets his powers back, he can only move through space, not through time.

I agree and get rid of all time travel related storylines. That would help, but it's probably too late. ...and yet I keep watching...

[jking]

I don't understand the Peter confusion. It requires skin-to-skin contact, as far as we've seen. Maybe he just didn't touch the skin. Or maybe he now has more control and didn't *try* to take the power, so it stayed as flight. Of the things to complain about in this episode, the Peter/Parkman issue isn't even on the radar.

Yeah, I agree. It's not unreasonable to assume that Peter has learned to control if he wants to take a power or not. Given, that would have been much more logical to assume had he not accidentally taken Tracy's powers on the plane, but we also saw in the next episode that was holding Nathan at gunpoint and only took his power to fly just before he made his escape.

[jking]

And speaking of flying, the special effect looks off this season somehow. I don't really know what it is. Perhaps it's because Peter (or his stuntman) looks a little like the Greatest American Hero when he takes off and lands.

[allan]

And speaking of flying, the special effect looks off this season somehow. I don't really know what it is. Perhaps it's because Peter (or his stuntman) looks a little like the Greatest American Hero when he takes off and lands.

Nah, Peter didn't crash into anything.

:D :D

[Sirius Black]

Nah, Peter didn't crash into anything.

:D :D

Not to mention the complete lack of a goofy cape or tights or IIRC curly blond 1980s hair. Believe it or not, it's just me.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

I was really hoping the Brute Squad would bust in on Earl & Randy.

I agree with hapdrastic. From what we've seen Peter now requires skin to skin contact in order to mimic someone's ability.

Overall, I am not impressed with this season. I'm not ready to bag it like so many others are, but it's definitely lost a lot of its coolness. Oh, and if short bald guy hasn't figured out by now that Nathan has some sort of ability, he's a moron.

[flyers088]

Who in the heck owns Issac's apartment? How is everyone just allowed to come and go as they please? And wouldn't that be one of the first places the bad dudes camp out since Nathan knows it exists?

[BK89]

Who in the heck owns Issac's apartment? How is everyone just allowed to come and go as they please? And wouldn't that be one of the first places the bad dudes camp out since Nathan knows it exists?

HA! Great point. Why hasn't Isaccs next of Kin tried to sell that big old apartment for top dollar in NYC? How long has he been dead - two seasons now? Maybe in the Hero's universe - they are also experiencing slumping real estate values.

Save the economy...Save the world... :D

[pjenkins]

I'm actually rooting for the wormy government guy to AK47 all the current heroes (sic) in the back of the skull....

[aintnosin]

Didn't the promos say something like we would know once and for all when this episode was over whether HRG was good or bad? Did I miss something? Sure, he's secretly working with Ma Petrelli, but what is that supposed to tell me? She's no angel.
What does it matter? HRG switches sides more often than Anne Heche.

[smak]

These few episodes haven't been as bad as I thought they were going to be after I read how Ausiello and others said how bad the episodes were before Fuller returns.

-smak-

[atrac]

What does it matter? HRG switches sides more often than Anne Heche.

LOL!! :)

[Magister]

These few episodes haven't been as bad as I thought they were going to be after I read how Ausiello and others said how bad the episodes were before Fuller returns.

-smak-

While this last episode was a little weak, it definately didn't get so horrible that it wasn't worth sitting through knowing that a new direction in writing was coming soon.

[allan]

While this last episode was a little weak, it definately didn't get so horrible that it wasn't worth sitting through knowing that a new direction in writing was coming soon.

Agreed. I'd classify it as a "meh", which isn't that good, but vastly better than "blech". Hopefully the new writing will eliminate the "blechs" and minimize the "mehs". :)

[troublescoot]

Hmm.. I like that Sylar has a brother that he hasn't killed. That makes things interesting for me. It almost makes up for the never-advancing-the-plot part.

[Craigbob]

And speaking of flying, the special effect looks off this season somehow. I don't really know what it is. Perhaps it's because Peter (or his stuntman) looks a little like the Greatest American Hero when he takes off and lands.

LOL. On that little note: http://www.beyondhollywood.com/category/the-greatest-american-hero-2009-movie/

[cheesesteak]

They should rename this show "Zeroes".

[IndyJones1023]

I guess you all missed it when Peter had a gun on his brother. His hand glowed/zapped for a split second before he took off. Yes, he can only absorb one power now - but only when he chooses. He has to touch the person and want the power. It doesn't just transfer merely because they are touching.

[cheesesteak]

At least Peter finally shot somebody. Usually he just stands there pointing the gun trying to look menancing.

[allan]

I guess you all missed it when Peter had a gun on his brother. His hand glowed/zapped for a split second before he took off. Yes, he can only absorb one power now - but only when he chooses. He has to touch the person and want the power. It doesn't just transfer merely because they are touching.

It did once, with Tracy on the plane. But obviously he CAN avoid absorbing a power if he wants to.

[Tangent]

Don't forget that Daphne and Ando combined can time travel.

...

I want to know how they control going forwards and backwards in time. If supercharged superspeed = travelling back in time, how did they move forward when they returned with the powerless Hiro? These plot holes are cumulative. The more there are the less into the show I am... :(

[EvilMidniteBombr]

I want to know how they control going forwards and backwards in time. If supercharged superspeed = travelling back in time, how did they move forward when they returned with the powerless Hiro? These plot holes are cumulative. The more there are the less into the show I am... :(Clearly she must have run backwards. DUH!

[That Don Guy]

I want to know how they control going forwards and backwards in time. If supercharged superspeed = travelling back in time, how did they move forward when they returned with the powerless Hiro?
The same way it was done in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (and an episode of the original Star Trek series), presumably.

-- Don

[Church AV Guy]

Are you implying that Daphne and Ando slingshot around the sun?

[nerd moment] Actually, it was done in TWO original Star Trek episodes. "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" and "Assignment: Earth"[/nerd moment]

[Hunter Green]

I guess I was the only one who found this episode a step back in the direction of -- not reaching, but in the direction of -- what the show should be, used to be. The characters all seemed to be doing things for reasons that made sense based on what they knew and what their motivations were. (Even Mohinder's sudden redevelopment of conscience, which felt like a continuity error, was addressed.) The only stupidity the story depended on was Peter's inability to be decisive (which has been a trait of his since episode one) and Parkman being overwhelmed by his emotions (understandable in the circumstances). The story is still burdened by its past mistakes, and the effort it's made to fix them (e.g., neutering the overpowered characters), and the choice of storyline for the season; but it was more engaging and less eyeroll-inducing than they've been in a while. I almost even cared at points.

[TAsunder]

Since no one else pointed this out yet, I guess I must have exaggerated the scene where Daphne got shot in my head, because it seemed clear to me that she got shot multiple times and not just in the shoulder. Am I wrong? WTF...

[EvilMidniteBombr]

yeah, she got shot several times

[morac]

Are you implying that Daphne and Ando slingshot around the sun?

Nah, they just ran fast enough to cause the Earth to spin backwards. :)


yeah, she got shot several times

Maybe she moved fast enough that the bullets phased through her. :p