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newsposter

02-10-2009, 07:18 AM

I like how walker really fit into this role so quickly. Jack cant be that good a teacher, so it really was in her all this time. Maybe she will be jacks partner next year

Ok the situation with mrs president is over pretty much and everyone was told to close up shop and get out of there. So what's left to do? Show over :confused:

Unless tony turns up with a backup device and really starts creating some chaos :p

I'm really glad both bad fbi agents are dead but now that closes off some storyline too. Unless there are more bad SS agents of course. I'm glad the prez decided to sacrifice her hubby, I like consistency in presidents. And did jack really know what car that agent was in, i was worried he would hit the wrong car

did bill ever make it in the whitehouse in any other years? nice to see him/jack and crew in there and being taken seriously and given anything they want immediately. Access like that is usually something jack has to fight for. I hope this doesnt take some twist and wind us up back where we started thanksgiving weekend.

jlb

02-10-2009, 07:28 AM

All we know about the CIP device is that Tony said that it was detroyed. Who's to say it is not still in a working state. He could have had a false broken one to use at the right time.

I like 24 and it is entertaining, but it is just a little meh this year for me. I think we need an "endgame" sort of like Lost winding down to make for a good season. If we had a real solid idea that Jack, or someone key to the series, like Chloe, were going to die, m aybe their would be some real gravitas to the show.

DevdogAZ

02-10-2009, 08:19 AM

It's pretty typical at this point in the season that one threat is neutralized and then another will rear its head soon. Might have something to do with Sangala and Juma/Dubaku or it might be something entirely different. Based on what we saw in Redemption, I'm going to say it's loosely tied to the Sangala stuff, but (spoiler for those who haven't seen Redemption):
it will involve Jon Voight's big bad businessman/politician character.

Bierboy

02-10-2009, 08:36 AM

It's pretty typical at this point in the season that one threat is neutralized and then another will rear its head soon....

Absolutely....this has been the modus operandi for several of the last seasons.

goMO

02-10-2009, 08:42 AM

Bierboy

02-10-2009, 08:57 AM

not sure I like the Dubaku girlfriend thing. Just doesn't seem realistic that he's a real sweet talker for her and takes time out of his busy day to schmooze her. Her attraction to him just doesn't seem believable.

That's just a hook to get to the "girlfriend's sister suspects he's a bad guy/sister threatens him after she gets evidence he's not who he says he is/now he kills the sister" plot. I'm sure there's really more to it than that...:rolleyes:

newsposter

02-10-2009, 09:16 AM

DevdogAZ

02-10-2009, 09:36 AM

I dont get even if the sister/girl find out who he is. the govt knows who he is and pretty much where he is. So other than them telling the govt he likes his steak rare and hates diet coke, what could those women have thats such top secret knowledge?

and what does the gf do? maid or something? only thing i can think of is she's gotten access to a high level target he needs.
I think you're totally missing the boat here. The girlfriend is a waitress in a diner. I think she's legitimately just a girlfriend.

However, the sister doesn't trust him and so she checked up on the name he gave them. The letter she was looking at was from Immigration and Naturalization which said that there was nobody by that name that had immigrated from Sangala in the last 15 years. She doesn't have any top secret knowledge and she isn't claiming to.

The government (at least Jack) knows where he was a few minutes before they got there, but they don't know what alias he's using with the girlfriend/sister, so they have no way to tie the two together (yet).

ElJay

02-10-2009, 09:52 AM

Another week of spinning wheels. It's just not drawing me in this season.

Find bad guy.
Go to bad guy location.
Shootout.
Bad guy isn't there.

I know this is the formula for the show, but I feel like they're repeating it too often this time, and it's too easy for the characters. I hope this is the end of the first husband storyline. That was was plodding on so slowly that I now care nothing about the conspiracy theories around his son.

I'm expecting the Chief of Staff to be exposed as a bad guy anytime now.

crazywater

02-10-2009, 10:33 AM

So far I think this season has been very good...

My favorite lines from last night's episode, spoilerized of course;

Jack in response to reluctance of others to "do what is necessary" to get information

"When are you people going to stop thinking everyone else is following your rules? They're not."

Larry the FBI guy: "The rules are what make us better."

Jack: "Not today."

and the best line of the night;

President Taylor: "How am I supposed to know where your loyalties really lie?"

Jack: "With all due respect Madam President, ask around!"

Bierboy

02-10-2009, 10:42 AM

No need to spoilerize anything (other than previews) from the episode we're discussing.

crazywater

02-10-2009, 10:43 AM

Just being careful....don't want anyone getting upset you know.

Bierboy

02-10-2009, 10:50 AM

Just being careful....don't want anyone getting upset you know.

Copy that.....

....oops....been watching too much 24.....:D

spikedavis

02-10-2009, 11:32 AM

I've noticed that in other forums people have nicknamed Agent Walker "Rack Bauer". An appropirate nickname.

I really enjoyed the episode with the exception of the stupid Dubaku girlfriend subplot.

This was the last episode filmed before the writer's strike-and they took time to rethink how the season was panning out-apparently things change quite a bit, for the better starting from here out. That makes me excited because I've enjoyed the season so far!

newsposter

02-10-2009, 11:42 AM

I think you're totally missing the boat here. The girlfriend is a waitress in a diner. I think she's legitimately just a girlfriend.

However, the sister doesn't trust him and so she checked up on the name he gave them.

And why would a bad man like him have just a girlfriend when he knows he will be leaving for his homeland 'soon'. Seems like a pointless casting and just a waste of time if her or her sister are 'just' as they appear. The govt knows who the guy is..it's not a secret about what he does. So how does even the family going to the cops and telling them this guy is a fake even help the plot of the show except maybe to find where he hides his guns or something?

Bierboy

02-10-2009, 11:45 AM

And why would a bad man like him have just a girlfriend when he knows he will be leaving for his homeland 'soon'..

Nookie?

jebbbz

02-10-2009, 11:48 AM

I watch and generally enjoy 24 but have felt the show was constrained by two things, its taking place in real time and the overwhelming nature of the threats Jack was confronting. For me, this always stacked the deck in favor of Jack's willingness to go to extremes. He (and we) always knew the guy he was about to question was a bad guy and the immediacy and scope of the threat always justified extreme measures (like, the hacksaw). In this episode, however, the situation changed. There was still the pressure of time but the stakes were much lower -- only one life was at risk even if it was that of the First Gentleman.

Thus, Agent Walker's revulsion at what she had done was justified. Even though she knew she was only, uh, kidding, she caused real pyschological pain to an innocent woman and, as I mentioned, the stakes were low. President Taylor had already announced she had to be willing to pay the price of her husband's life for the sake of the country, innocent lives in Sangala, and her principles so Walker (and Jack) could not inflate the threat to a level that would have justified physical torture. For those looking for a break in the action along with a moral dilemma for the characters to cope with, this was the opportunity.

Although he didn't do much with it, SA Moss really had a fairly strong position to defend in his Reflecting Pool exchange with Jack. The time pressures were still there for swift action but the threat level was too low to automatically excuse extreme measures. I think this is hinted at by Jack only killing the SS agent in self-defense but Moss assuming the death of the SS agent to have been a deliberate reult of Jack being Jack. Jack's "Not today" could have been met with a "This is now just a kidnapping."

I have no idea if the writers will do anything with the opportunity but it might allow for a quarter of an hour of reflection now that Henry Taylor is no longer even a hostage but merely a prominent victim on life support. Until the next big threat appears (and I am assuming one will) Jack and Walker will face much more of a moral quandry than they did when The Device threatened to kills tens of thousands in the twinkling of an eye.

DevdogAZ

02-10-2009, 12:33 PM

And why would a bad man like him have just a girlfriend when he knows he will be leaving for his homeland 'soon'. Seems like a pointless casting and just a waste of time if her or her sister are 'just' as they appear. The govt knows who the guy is..it's not a secret about what he does. So how does even the family going to the cops and telling them this guy is a fake even help the plot of the show except maybe to find where he hides his guns or something?
I'm just not sure what you're getting at here. He's got a girlfriend. Big deal. Are you saying that terrorists don't like female companionship? As for his true identity, we have no reason to think that the fake alias he's given to the girlfriend is in any way linked to his real identity, so there is no threat from the government. The only threat is someone knowing his alias is fake, and that's a loose end that I'm sure he'll attempt to tie up in the near future.

DevdogAZ

02-10-2009, 12:38 PM

I also wanted to discuss how absurd it was that Jack simply left the SS agent sitting there with a knife in his gut and automatically assumed he was dead. It's not like there weren't people around who could have called 911. That type of wound is not likely to be life threatening if treated quickly. I'm sure the writers simply wanted to tie up that part of the storyline, but it just seemed to have been sloppy. If they really wanted that SS agent dead by Jack's hand (albeit in self defense), a gunshot or a stab wound to the chest or neck would have been much more believable.

Bierboy

02-10-2009, 01:01 PM

...There was still the pressure of time but the stakes were much lower -- only one life was at risk...

How do you figure? Thousands of lives in Sangala (as you, yourself, mention later in your post) were also at stake. Just because they aren't American lives doesn't make them any less important. :confused:

ihatecable

02-10-2009, 01:11 PM

I've noticed that in other forums people have nicknamed Agent Walker "Rack Bauer". An appropirate nickname.I prefer Agent Freckles myself ;)

newsposter

02-10-2009, 02:13 PM

I'm just not sure what you're getting at here. He's got a girlfriend. Big deal. Are you saying that terrorists don't like female companionship? As for his true identity, we have no reason to think that the fake alias he's given to the girlfriend is in any way linked to his real identity, so there is no threat from the government. The only threat is someone knowing his alias is fake, and that's a loose end that I'm sure he'll attempt to tie up in the near future.

well i dont know what terrorists like so i cant answer that.

and regarding the girls, i find it hard to believe the great writers of 24 would put in characters like that without having them ' go somewhere'

just showing the guy as human and he needs a gf is a bit of a waste of tv time. Maybe shes a waitress at the local diner where a target goes regularly and she can easily spike his drink or something.

and i still cant see why it matters (now) that he has a fake ID at that address. he did his terrorism and unless he's stupid enough to leave plans around (highly doubtful), showing us his apt and gf and having her interrupt his bad deeds seems kind of pointless.

i guess in the upcoming weeks we will find out if i'm right that there's more to the 2 women than just gf and sis. :D

newsposter

02-10-2009, 02:14 PM

I prefer Agent Freckles myself ;)

there's a Lost crossover issue there though

Talon

02-10-2009, 02:21 PM

I've noticed that in other forums people have nicknamed Agent Walker "Rack Bauer". An appropirate nickname.

LOL! :up:

jebbbz

02-10-2009, 02:59 PM

How do you figure? Thousands of lives in Sangala (as you, yourself, mention later in your post) were also at stake. Just because they aren't American lives doesn't make them any less important. :confused:

Those lives were no longer at stake. The president had said to go ahead with the invasion and try and trick the bad guys into thinking it had been called off (pull back the ships but just launch from a greater distance; send out a fake Prime Minister to hand over to the bad guys). She had already placed her husband's life lower on the scale of priorities than saving Sangalan lives. Jack (and Agent Freckles) knew this. The only pressing problem (in the sense that there was a clock ticking on Henry Taylor's life) was freeing the First Gentleman.

Even the other big problem, moles and traitor's in the administration, is not time-sensitive, although it may soon become so if the bad guys come up with another weapon or take lots of hostages -- there are still many hours left in Jack's day.

zalusky

02-10-2009, 03:06 PM

Eptiger

02-10-2009, 03:21 PM

Those lives were no longer at stake. The president had said to go ahead with the invasion and try and trick the bad guys into thinking it had been called off (pull back the ships but just launch from a greater distance; send out a fake Prime Minister to hand over to the bad guys). She had already placed her husband's life lower on the scale of priorities than saving Sangalan lives. Jack (and Agent Freckles) knew this. The only pressing problem (in the sense that there was a clock ticking on Henry Taylor's life) was freeing the First Gentleman.

You're leaving out one thing: finding out the location of the first gentleman was liking to lead to finding Dubaku. If it hadn't been for the waitress's sister calling, Jack might've caught him. Granted, they weren't assuming this at the onset, but I think Jack's done pretty crazy stuff before just to save one person.

Also: Jack said that they had to pretend that they were going to hurt his family. I don't think he intended to hurt them, and through a phone call it'd be easy to lead him to believe that Agent Freckles was killing his baby by her strategically placing herself at the crib (like she did) and just getting the baby to cry louder and stuff. It's not like he asked her to tie them up and cut off their fingers. Of course, they're breaking the law, but they weren't not crossing the line to an excessive extent.

I agree that it was strange that Jack left that guy to die. I'm surprised he didn't try to get Chloe to call for help or something. Agent Walker can survive being buried alive but a trained operative like that secret service agent can't withstand a knife wound that probably didn't hit his heart?

Why did Agent Freckles say "Tomorrow" when she hung up with Jack when she was at their house? I guess she meant "see you tomorrow"? That just didn't make sense to me (I kept rewinding to try to make sense of it) that she'd say that or that she'd see Jack tomorrow (he'd likely be in Senate hearings). Was Jack actually pissed at her at that point? He kind of scoffed at her, but I found that odd. Yeah, he needed the backup from her for going to Dubaku's evil lair, but she threatened to kill a baby for the first time in her life.

Elton

DevdogAZ

02-10-2009, 03:29 PM

Why did Agent Freckles say "Tomorrow" when she hung up with Jack when she was at their house? I guess she meant "see you tomorrow"? That just didn't make sense to me (I kept rewinding to try to make sense of it) that she'd say that or that she'd see Jack tomorrow (he'd likely be in Senate hearings). Was Jack actually pissed at her at that point? He kind of scoffed at her, but I found that odd. Yeah, he needed the backup from her for going to Dubaku's evil lair, but she threatened to kill a baby for the first time in her life.

Elton
Jack was telling her that if she was having a moral dilemma over the things she'd done or was being asked to do by Jack, Jack would understand if she begged out. She was simply indicating (mostly to us, the viewing audience) that even though she did have reservations, she wouldn't let them bother her until the current crisis (read: this season of 24) is over.

jradford

02-10-2009, 03:31 PM

Why did Agent Freckles say "Tomorrow" when she hung up with Jack when she was at their house? I guess she meant "see you tomorrow"? That just didn't make sense to me (I kept rewinding to try to make sense of it) that she'd say that or that she'd see Jack tomorrow (he'd likely be in Senate hearings). Was Jack actually pissed at her at that point? He kind of scoffed at her, but I found that odd. Yeah, he needed the backup from her for going to Dubaku's evil lair, but she threatened to kill a baby for the first time in her life.

Elton
She was saying that she "couldn't do this anymore." (The no-holds barred, Jack-approach to interrogation. i.e. Acting like you're going to hurt a baby.) I think Jack asked her something along the lines of, "I think you need to step out of this one." To which she responded something like, "Yeah, I think so, too. Tomorrow." I.e. She's sticking around until the end of the show, but "tomorrow" she's done with the Rack Bauer approach.

Edit - Damn. I new someone else had to be responding at the same time. I lost the race.

pjenkins

02-10-2009, 03:48 PM

She was saying that she "couldn't do this anymore." (The no-holds barred, Jack-approach to interrogation. i.e. Acting like you're going to hurt a baby.) I think Jack asked her something along the lines of, "I think you need to step out of this one." To which she responded something like, "Yeah, I think so, too. Tomorrow." I.e. She's sticking around until the end of the show, but "tomorrow" she's done with the Rack Bauer approach.

Edit - Damn. I new someone else had to be responding at the same time. I lost the race.

it's ok, you used Rack Bauer, so you win :)

spikedavis

02-10-2009, 03:59 PM

it's ok, you used Rack Bauer, so you win :)

Rack Bauer FTW.

jebbbz

02-10-2009, 04:48 PM

You're leaving out one thing: finding out the location of the first gentleman was liking to lead to finding Dubaku. If it hadn't been for the waitress's sister calling, Jack might've caught him. Granted, they weren't assuming this at the onset, but I think Jack's done pretty crazy stuff before just to save one person.

Also: Jack said that they had to pretend that they were going to hurt his family. I don't think he intended to hurt them, and through a phone call it'd be easy to lead him to believe that Agent Freckles was killing his baby by her strategically placing herself at the crib (like she did) and just getting the baby to cry louder and stuff. It's not like he asked her to tie them up and cut off their fingers. Of course, they're breaking the law, but they weren't not crossing the line to an excessive extent...

I'm not leaving out Dubaku. I am arguing that with the loss of the CID Dubaku has been de fanged (until the writers re-fang him). He can now be pursued in a more normal if still vigorous manner. Bill, Chloe, and Tony pursued him in such a manner until they lost control of the CID and Dubaku gained control of it. Dubaku is still a threat but not to the extent he was.

Yes, Jack and Walker knew they were only pretending but wife-of-the-bad guy didn't. She was an innocent treated with cruelty for the sake of rescuing Henry Taylor and President Taylor had already passed "judgment" on him -- not worth sacrificing other lives and betraying her moral and political principles. Threatening and even torturing the bad guy may would not have caused Walker much distress but threatening an innocent child and mother properly, I think, caused Walker to wonder if she could justify it. It made the show more interesting for me and gave the writers a chance to present Jack a moral dilemma.

Consider the awful choice Jack faced some seasons ago (I forget which one - the bioterror one) when the chief villain gave Jack a choice: let thousands of innocents die or put a bullet into the innocent head of (whats-his-first-name) Chapelle. Watching Chapelle on his knees giving Jack "permission" to pull the trigger was one gripping scene. Stalin shrugged off his murderous rule noting that one death was a tragedy while a million deaths was a statistic. Then Jack faced the choice of tragedy or statistic. To a lesser extent he faced a dilemma this time -- terrorize an innocent woman or let Henry Taylor die. Walker seemed to get the dilemma. Jack not so much.

stellie93

02-10-2009, 05:54 PM

I think there's a big difference between the threat of violence and actual harm. And I'm sure they would rather have taken the double agent alive for info, but after all, he just kidnapped the first gentleman for an African terrorist. I'm not feeling too much sympathy for him.

vikingguy

02-10-2009, 09:26 PM

I liked it another solid episode. The bauer power slide for the last kill was pretty damn cool. I do admit I watch the show to watch jack off as many bad guys as he can in 60 minutes. It is fun watching jack corrupt ginger bauer and slowly turning her to the dark side. If the writers can keep up the gun play and action I will be very happy.

spikedavis

02-10-2009, 09:30 PM

DevdogAZ

02-10-2009, 10:30 PM

I just don't get the Rack Bauer thing. If she had a huge rack, it would make sense, but since she doesn't (at least not that I've noticed), it kinda falls flat.

SeanC

02-10-2009, 10:42 PM

You're just over analyzing it.

Rack is a reference to female, it also rhymes with Jack, pretty straight forward.

mrdazzo7

02-10-2009, 10:52 PM

I still don't get why the government hasn't been plastering Dubaku's picture all over the news... how is he able to just walk around freely?? LOL. They've know all day that he's not only in this country orchestrating terrorist attacks, but that he's doing it in Washington DC. Televise that sh**!!

Sidenote, the jack-slide was awesome. He really is a massive badass. I also love the dilemma they set up for Walker, you can see the confliction in her face. I like that she acknowledged that she's not cut out for this, but that she'll walk away "tomorrow"... she's kind of a badass too

busyba

02-11-2009, 12:14 AM

I just don't get the Rack Bauer thing. If she had a huge rack, it would make sense, but since she doesn't (at least not that I've noticed)[...]
Here, this might help:

http://www.seriesblog.es/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/24-annie-wersching.jpg

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/la/fox_tca_party_5_150708/annie_wersching_1975172.jpg

busyba

02-11-2009, 12:15 AM

Is it wrong that I'm actually rooting for Dubaku to kill the annoying sister?

Peter000

02-11-2009, 12:39 AM

Is it wrong that I'm actually rooting for Dubaku to kill the annoying sister?

No. I hate the busybody sister already. Even though her instincts are right on, she's STILL irritating about it. It's funny, they knew she'd be annoying when they wrote it so they put her in a wheelchair to try to offset the annoyingness. Didn't work.

pjenkins

02-11-2009, 02:25 AM

I do admit I watch the show to watch jack off as many bad guys as he can in 60 minutes..

note to self: do not read threads at 2am+, I totally read that sentence wrong ;)

Rob Helmerichs

02-11-2009, 06:26 AM

You're just over analyzing it.

Rack is a reference to female, it also rhymes with Jack, pretty straight forward.
It's also kind of offensive, even by joke TV character nickname standards...

IJustLikeTivo

02-11-2009, 06:38 AM

IJustLikeTivo

02-11-2009, 06:40 AM

No. I hate the busybody sister already. Even though her instincts are right on, she's STILL irritating about it. It's funny, they knew she'd be annoying when they wrote it so they put her in a wheelchair to try to offset the annoyingness. Didn't work.

Self Righteousness is always annoying. I too am waiting for her to be killed.

IJustLikeTivo

02-11-2009, 06:42 AM

It's also kind of offensive, even by joke TV character nickname standards...

Offensive yes, appropriate yes. But in the scheme of things a rounding error where 24 lies. I mean we have the jack Bauer body count web sites after all. compared to that this is nothing. If I were doing this just for nicknames, I do like Ginger Bauer but in the scheme of things the Rack/Jack idea works better.

Rob Helmerichs

02-11-2009, 07:33 AM

Offensive yes, appropriate yes. But in the scheme of things a rounding error where 24 lies. I mean we have the jack Bauer body count web sites after all. compared to that this is nothing. If I were doing this just for nicknames, I do like Ginger Bauer but in the scheme of things the Rack/Jack idea works better.
Actually, Agent Freckles works pretty well...

scooterboy

02-11-2009, 08:34 AM

II do admit I watch the show to watch jack off as many bad guys as he can in 60 minutes.

note to self: do not read threads at 2am+, I totally read that sentence wrong ;)

I read it at 9:30am and still thought he was referring to a different sort of "production" at first. :)

Fish Man

02-11-2009, 09:21 AM

My first post about this season, even though I've been watching all the episodes.

I think Dubaku's girlfriend and/or her sister are going to become some sort of key plot elements in future episodes. Their appearance up to this point is simply pointless unless it goes somewhere interesting. Therefore, I think it will.

The only "cliffhanger" in this episode was whether the first gentleman will survive his gunshot wound. However, the fact that he was conscious and an ambulance was being called suggests that he will.

Anyway, a "lull" in the suspense is typical at this point in the season, only to have a new related threat pop up early in next week's episode and all hell break loose again.

Finally, I must comment on this:

I just don't get the Rack Bauer thing. If she had a huge rack, it would make sense, but since she doesn't (at least not that I've noticed), it kinda falls flat.

Wow! Different strokes, I guess.

Annie Wersching gets my vote for perhaps the most perfect figure in television today. Her "rack" is incredible. A bit larger than average, but not unnaturally so, and just perfectly shaped and carried.

Combine that with the freckles and I totally swoon! I've been swooning over her since her appearance on Star Trek: Enterprise (Episode "Oasis" and her first professional acting job!)

She'd never have to torture me for information. Just be where I could see her and ask me a question. I'd have no control! ;)

newsposter

02-11-2009, 09:27 AM

amazing what happens to that sentence if you delete 'watch'

jebbbz

02-11-2009, 09:38 AM

busyba

02-11-2009, 10:13 AM

BTW, do they not have a combat-driving course at the Secret Service?

Here's this guy in a car at a power plant with 4 guys with assault rifles in front of him, and he's given a rather imperative retreat order....

Does he pop it into reverse and floor the gas pedal? No! He goes about executing a rather leisurely 3-point U-turn. Seriously... WTF?

Too stupid to live (although I did feel bad for the guy in the back seat).

I guess he took the "Driving for Reshirts" course instead. :)

busyba

02-11-2009, 10:17 AM

I have concluded that I over-analyzed the terrorizing of the SS agents wife. It was wrong because it was entirely unnecessary. Once Bauer had the bad agent in the alcove he need only have introduced himself ("Bauer, Jack Bauer") and maybe flashed his drivers license to prove his identity and any bad guy with a brain would sing like a mezzo-soprano with a Persian Blue clawing her face.

Of course, that would pretty much drain the show of its drama...

Yeah, when he said something like "you wouldn't hurt my family" I was expecting Jack to say, "Hello!? I'm Jack Bauer. What do you think?" :D

BTW, we already saw this page of the Bauer playbook several seasons ago. He needed information from a captured terrorist and he set up a video conference call with his family being held by US forces back in the home country and even went so far as using video tricks to convince the terorrist that they executed his son on the call.

DevdogAZ

02-11-2009, 10:30 AM

You're just over analyzing it.

Rack is a reference to female, it also rhymes with Jack, pretty straight forward.
I guess I've never heard the term "rack" as a generic reference to females. I've only heard it used to describe breasts, and even then, only large ones.
Here, this might help:

Wow! Different strokes, I guess.

Annie Wersching gets my vote for perhaps the most perfect figure in television today. Her "rack" is incredible. A bit larger than average, but not unnaturally so, and just perfectly shaped and carried.

Combine that with the freckles and I totally swoon! I've been swooning over her since her appearance on Star Trek: Enterprise (Episode "Oasis" and her first professional acting job!)

She'd never have to torture me for information. Just be where I could see her and ask me a question. I'd have no control! ;)
Don't get me wrong. I find her incredibly attractive, especially the freckles and reddish hair. However, I don't think I've ever seen her in anything else, and the clothes they're dressing her in on 24 don't really accentuate her "assets" (appropriately so for a female FBI agent), so I guess I'd never noticed that part of her. If you say they're nice, I guess I'll have to do a little more research. ;)

DevdogAZ

02-11-2009, 10:34 AM

spikedavis

02-11-2009, 10:55 AM

The more I think about it-I'm thinking that somehow Rack is the FBI mole. They took her out of the FBI office and made us suspicious of every other character there-So we won't be clued in that it's her! Otherwise, its Moss, Janeane Garafolo, Billy Mitchell or Blondie. They really want us to think it's Blondie-but I'm sure they have to throw a curveball-and that makes me think it will be Rack Bauer.

Eptiger

02-11-2009, 11:29 AM

Rack Bauer FTW.

Thanks for the clarification, you two. I misinterpreted the conversation as her giving up, not her saying that she's going to hold it together until tomorrow. I guess it could be that she was saying she'll let Jack keep going without interfering until tomorrow, but the fact that Jack knew she would be there means that she was saying she was going to stay on until the next day.

I'm not leaving out Dubaku. I am arguing that with the loss of the CID Dubaku has been de fanged (until the writers re-fang him). He can now be pursued in a more normal if still vigorous manner. Bill, Chloe, and Tony pursued him in such a manner until they lost control of the CID and Dubaku gained control of it. Dubaku is still a threat but not to the extent he was.

Fair enough. They should watch 24 though, every time Jack is involved in a situation the terrorist has like 3 backup plans, at least =P With that logic in mind, it was a critical situation ;)

I still don't get why the government hasn't been plastering Dubaku's picture all over the news... how is he able to just walk around freely?? LOL. They've know all day that he's not only in this country orchestrating terrorist attacks, but that he's doing it in Washington DC. Televise that sh**!!

Sidenote, the jack-slide was awesome. He really is a massive badass. I also love the dilemma they set up for Walker, you can see the confliction in her face. I like that she acknowledged that she's not cut out for this, but that she'll walk away "tomorrow"... she's kind of a badass too

Agreed on both counts. Maybe they didn't want to post his picture to incite mass panic? That doesn't really make sense though since two planes already crashed together. So yeah, it's strange.

I'm liking Agent Freckles more now than I did at first. They're building up her character well. I like her more than Moss, who is less interesting of a play-by-the-book character than previous seasons (particularly that hobbit in season 5).

Amen to that. We couldn't believe he didn't just floor it in reverse, especially when he looked up and saw the RPG being aimed at him.

Also agreed. He probably would've died anyway, but even getting out of the car and running and gunning ala Jack Bauer would've given him better odds of survival. He is a Secret Service agent, after all.

Elton

DevdogAZ

02-11-2009, 11:48 AM

I'm guessing that the government doesn't have Dubaku's picture, which is why he can wander around the U.S. without anyone recognizing him. As seen in the previews for next week,
Jack will show a cell-phone picture of Dubaku to the either the girlfriend or the girlfriend's sister. Not sure where Jack gets the picture, but that indicates to me that up until that point, there's been no reason for them to think he's a terrorist. I guess we'll see next week.

newsposter

02-11-2009, 11:51 AM

I'm guessing that the government doesn't have Dubaku's picture, which is why he can wander around the U.S. without anyone recognizing him. As seen in the previews for next week,

i thought jack saw him in redemption?

IJustLikeTivo

02-11-2009, 11:56 AM

Eptiger

02-11-2009, 12:19 PM

Due to the shuffling around Obama, my tivo didn't catch 24 and by the time I got upstairs to set that machine I missed about 14 minutes.

Can someone summarize how Jack etal got in to see the president and anything else that happened early. I started when:

The bad guys were cutting off the first gentleman's finger.

Since you missed about 1/4 of the episode, it'd take a little while to explain everything short of saying that she made an announcement about the thread being over and then met with Jack and friends through Matobo, and they were explaining themselves when Dubaku called. It's better to just watch it (http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=twentyfour) online.

Elton

gchance

02-11-2009, 01:33 PM

Thanks for the clarification, you two. I misinterpreted the conversation as her giving up, not her saying that she's going to hold it together until tomorrow. I guess it could be that she was saying she'll let Jack keep going without interfering until tomorrow, but the fact that Jack knew she would be there means that she was saying she was going to stay on until the next day.

The real reason she said she'd stop tomorrow is that there's still what, 19 hours left of the season? She's basically saying sure, I'll quit, but I have to fulfill my contractual obligation for the rest of the season first. :)

Greg

jradford

02-11-2009, 02:03 PM

Don't get me wrong. I find her incredibly attractive, especially the freckles and reddish hair. However, I don't think I've ever seen her in anything else, and the clothes they're dressing her in on 24 don't really accentuate her "assets" (appropriately so for a female FBI agent), so I guess I'd never noticed that part of her. If you say they're nice, I guess I'll have to do a little more research. ;)

I think they're doing a pretty good job of making sure she's not just eye candy, but if you google her, she has a website and the picture on her "bio" page gives you an idea of what she's working with, (very safe for work, no skin.) I can see where the nickname came from.

Also, I'm with a previous poster on the GF of Dubaku. Terrorists don't have girlfriends just to keep them company when deployed on enemy soil. That is chapter 1 in the handbook. My guess is that the sister in the wheelchair had access to pertinent information in the execution of his "plan" and he used the little sister as a way to get to her.

DevdogAZ

02-11-2009, 02:34 PM

I think they're doing a pretty good job of making sure she's not just eye candy, but if you google her, she has a website and the picture on her "bio" page gives you an idea of what she's working with, (very safe for work, no skin.) I can see where the nickname came from.
According to her resume on that site, one of her special skills is that she can "burp on cue."

jay_man2

02-11-2009, 04:02 PM

According to her resume on that site, one of her special skills is that she can "burp on cue."Is she married to the guy who can fart at will. Why would anyone want to fart at that great guy Will? :p

busyba

02-11-2009, 11:26 PM

According to her resume on that site, one of her special skills is that she can "burp on cue."

That's difficult???

madscientist

02-11-2009, 11:27 PM

i thought jack saw him in redemption?No he didn't. Spoilers for Redemption:

Jack killed a bunch of the bad guys but not Dubaku who was back at the rebel base (Jack killed Dubaku's brother, though). Later, Jack left his friend standing on the bomb and took off with the kids, and he heard the bomb go off but he couldn't see it. As far as we knew, until this season started and we saw him alive, Dubaku was dead in the blast.

newsposter

02-12-2009, 07:48 AM

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Also, I'm with a previous poster on the GF of Dubaku. Terrorists don't have girlfriends just to keep them company when deployed on enemy soil. That is chapter 1 in the handbook. My guess is that the sister in the wheelchair had access to pertinent information in the execution of his "plan" and he used the little sister as a way to get to her.

I forget, what agency did sis say she had a friend in? I wanna say homeland or immigration. Just hold the gf hostage and the sis would get her whatever info she needed. Or maybe the apt is next to some secret agency and he wants to drill thru their wall. Ooops wrong show, thats prison break

JohnB1000

02-12-2009, 09:23 AM

It's going to be interesting to see if anybody looks any different once we see the post hiatus (Writers strike) episodes. I think I read somewhere they filmed around 9 episodes before they had to stop filming and essentially wait a year before starting up again.

I am probably off on my numbers. Anybody have it more exact?

Maybe a smeek but I believe those episodes were dumped. The story was set in Sangala and formed the basis for the Redemption movie. All eps now are newly filmed.

Rob Helmerichs

02-12-2009, 09:42 AM

Maybe a smeek but I believe those episodes were dumped. The story was set in Sangala and formed the basis for the Redemption movie. All eps now are newly filmed.
No, they were dumped before filming started last year (i.e., Fall 2007). They re-worked the season so it wouldn't be in Africa and shot the first several episodes (which we're watching now). Then the writers' strike happened, and they postponed the season. Redemption was then conceived, written, and filmed to make the gap between seasons a little less.

But what we're watching now was written and filmed well over a year ago. I think they had seven or so episodes in the can when the season was postponed.

DVC California

02-12-2009, 10:48 AM

I just don't get the Rack Bauer thing. If she had a huge rack, it would make sense, but since she doesn't (at least not that I've noticed), it kinda falls flat.

Flat?!?

http://photopost.wdwinfo.com/data/557/5768annie_wersching.jpg

DevdogAZ

02-12-2009, 11:33 AM

Never said she was flat. But thanks for the pic.

So the episodes we've been watching up until now were before Kiefer went to jail for his DUI? And what we'll see from here on out was after his stint in the klink?

JLucPicard

02-17-2009, 09:47 AM

I know I'm late to the game here and there's already been another ep (I haven't watched that one yet), but my take on the GF is that she, herself, could be some 'back-up plan', as in she's some relative of someone from Sangala who could be used for leverage or something. She definitely isn't just some 'companionship' for Dubaku.

My first inkling was that she was some kind of cover-story for him being in the US, but as things have played out - especially with the soon-to-be-dead sister - that she must have some connection to an 'asset' that could come into play later.

Seems like a REAL stretch - even for 24 - that her whole storyline was just set up to give him a reason to leave before Jack & Rack hit the bodega where they were holding the 1st Gentleman.