24 - Day 7: 1:00-2:00 pm OAD 1/26/09 (spoilers)

[DevdogAZ]

Good episode. As soon as it was over, my wife said, "I'm kind of liking this season." I agree with her. It's been pretty good so far. I was glad to see Tony and Jack pull one over on the bad guys, and hopefully Agent Walker now believes them.

I did think it was a little unrealistic that the mostly paralyzed 60-year old First Dude was able to fight with a 25 year old Secret Service agent but that's pretty minor.

[Eptiger]

I did think it was a little unrealistic that the mostly paralyzed 60-year old First Dude was able to fight with a 25 year old Secret Service agent but that's pretty minor.

There's only one other thing that bothered me: the rate at which these government agencies are able to produce "reports" for the president. Why don't they just pick up the phone and call her? Is she doing something more important?

Anyway, yeah, I'm also enjoying the season. I was sad to see Tony's "brother" die like that, but I guess there wouldn't have been any easy way to keep him alive. Anyone else watch the preview for next week?

I wonder where they'll go with the season if they catch Dubaku in next week's episode? I guess he'll just get away?

Elton

[s2kdave]

I did think it was a little unrealistic that the mostly paralyzed 60-year old First Dude was able to fight with a 25 year old Secret Service agent but that's pretty minor.

Yeah, and just because he could barely make a fist doesn't mean the drugs wore off enough where he had full use of his arms.

Yeah it's a pretty good season so far although there are a bunch of little things that bother me. Like when dubacu isn't hacked into the network, doesn't the normal flight communications resume? Why don't they warn them about the situation and set up a secondary protocol for the next week or so? Or is dubacu carrying the full work load of hundreds of employees in addition to his terrorist actions? Also, if the white house knew about the other aspects like the electrical and water supply, couldn't they just phone them and at least give them a heads up that someone is phishing or misrepresenting the white house orders?

[jwreiner]

Good episode. As soon as it was over, my wife said, "I'm kind of liking this season." I agree with her. It's been pretty good so far. I was glad to see Tony and Jack pull one over on the bad guys, and hopefully Agent Walker now believes them.

I did think it was a little unrealistic that the mostly paralyzed 60-year old First Dude was able to fight with a 25 year old Secret Service agent but that's pretty minor.


For me, 24 is never just boring like other shows. Instead, I have some combination of liking it/hating it at the same time. This season, I have more of the liking it, but still a small fraction of the hating it.

Most of the hating it at the moment is related to the fact that all of the deaths so far are a result of the ex-CTU plan of exposing "corruption". Something like 300 people have died so far. Several thousand more have been put at risk. The show hasn't really set up why the "good guys" thought that all these loses were justifiable? To achieve or prevent what, exactly? Also, the whole firewall thing might be the craziest concept 24 has ever invented, which is saying quite alot.

[vikingguy]

Another enjoyable epsiode. Any time jack and tony get into a fire fight it is all good. That knife into the back of the hot chick was pretty brutal. I am liking this season much more than the last.

[Bierboy]

....That knife into the back of the hot chick was pretty brutal...
Actually, the second knife wound in the front, was more brutal....

[jeepair]

Reports: LOL, I was thinking the same exact thing. No way you can get all that data and format it properly and logically etc...

Jack covering Tony. I would have chosen a semi-auto instead of a bolt action for a fast 2nd shot. I don't see how he could have aquired the 2nd bad guy that fast... And... a scope at 30-50 yards? Even if the scope was out as far as it could go, there would be a limited field of view. Would have been better for something like an eotech or aimpoint or iron than a scope. Anyway, that bugged me a bit.

[TIVOSciolist]

A good season. So far, I like Agent Walker even more than Naked Mandy.

[nrrhgreg]

I don't get how, after 5 hours of planes being grounded, there are still 1300 planes in the air.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I don't get how most of the Cabinet would think that doing whatever terrorists tell you to do because otherwise they might hurt you is even remotely sound policy...

Seems to me that Dubaku should know enough recent history to realize that the moment those two planes collided, he had committed suicide for himself and his country.

[dba62]

I don't get how, after 5 hours of planes being grounded, there are still 1300 planes in the air.

How long did it take to ground all air traffic on 9/11 from the time the decision was made until the time the final plane landed?

[jlb]

A good season. So far, I like Agent Walker even more than Naked Mandy.

Blasphemy!

[bubba1972]

Just because you point two planes toward each other doesn't mean they are going to collide. There is a lot of empty space up in the sky...

[Bierboy]

Just because you point two planes toward each other doesn't mean they are going to collide. There is a lot of empty space up in the sky...

Not in the "24" universe...:D

[Sirius Black]

Just because you point two planes toward each other doesn't mean they are going to collide. There is a lot of empty space up in the sky...

They must also use blind pilots. The skies were clear. Visibility was likely unlimited and they still didn't see the other plane.

In Die Hard 2 when they took over ATC, they took over voice communications as well. Have they done that here too so that the real ATC can't talk with the planes?

Why does it take so long to land these planes? As it is an emergency, they should be able to land anywhere. Runway, highway, country road, etc.

[gchance]

Just because you point two planes toward each other doesn't mean they are going to collide. There is a lot of empty space up in the sky...

You forgot that the time warp that is Jack Bauer is in DC. Time & space don't work the same way when he's around.

Greg

[IJustLikeTivo]

For me, 24 is never just boring like other shows. Instead, I have some combination of liking it/hating it at the same time. This season, I have more of the liking it, but still a small fraction of the hating it.

Most of the hating it at the moment is related to the fact that all of the deaths so far are a result of the ex-CTU plan of exposing "corruption". Something like 300 people have died so far. Several thousand more have been put at risk. The show hasn't really set up why the "good guys" thought that all these loses were justifiable? To achieve or prevent what, exactly? Also, the whole firewall thing might be the craziest concept 24 has ever invented, which is saying quite alot.

I like the show I just have to learn to ignore stupid plot points. Nothing ATC could do would make planes hit each other. They all have active alerting systems (TCAS) that force response to near miss conditions which are completely independent of ATC. Of course the same was true in Die Hard 2 as well where the bad guys moved the ILS using a computer.....

Still moving at a nice pace.

[IJustLikeTivo]

How long did it take to ground all air traffic on 9/11 from the time the decision was made until the time the final plane landed?

About 3 hours. Mostly due to the trans oceanic stuff. Also, they had to wait for VFR traffic to land since they had no way to ground them directly.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Why does it take so long to land these planes? As it is an emergency, they should be able to land anywhere. Runway, highway, country road, etc.

They've only done it twice, but they always land them at airports. At some point they have to be able to take off. And, you can't land an airliner just anywhere, they weight up to 1 million lbs.

[atrac]

Another great episode! Agreed that the "Popular" girl's death by knife was quite brutal.

So...the whole silent clock for Agent Walker last week was because she technically was "dead" (her heart stopped and needed a adrenaline injection). In this very same episode they explain that Tony's heart was slowed down to a crawl, but since it never stopped... he didn't get a silent clock in the episode that he "died." Clever! ;)

[Eptiger]

Another great episode! Agreed that the "Popular" girl's death by knife was quite brutal.

So...the whole silent clock for Agent Walker last week was because she technically was "dead" (her heart stopped and needed a adrenaline injection). In this very same episode they explain that Tony's heart was slowed down to a crawl, but since it never stopped... he didn't get a silent clock in the episode that he "died." Clever! ;)

I have a feeling that the fans read more into the silent clock than the writers do =P They probably just do it now to build up further suspense for the next hour.

Poor hot girl. Not that I would've done better in her situation in recognizing that something was wrong, but I'm kind of surprised that she didn't think it was odd that the First Dude was so talkative in their other encounters and was totally motionless this time. I kind of wish First Dude stabbed the secret service agent, too. Killing hot girls for dirty money is no bueno.

Elton

[DevdogAZ]

Reports: LOL, I was thinking the same exact thing. No way you can get all that data and format it properly and logically etc...

Jack covering Tony. I would have chosen a semi-auto instead of a bolt action for a fast 2nd shot. I don't see how he could have aquired the 2nd bad guy that fast... And... a scope at 30-50 yards? Even if the scope was out as far as it could go, there would be a limited field of view. Would have been better for something like an eotech or aimpoint or iron than a scope. Anyway, that bugged me a bit.
The scope was just for looking cool on TV. Most viewers don't analyze it that much.
So...the whole silent clock for Agent Walker last week was because she technically was "dead" (her heart stopped and needed a adrenaline injection). In this very same episode they explain that Tony's heart was slowed down to a crawl, but since it never stopped... he didn't get a silent clock in the episode that he "died." Clever! ;)
There wasn't a silent clock last week for Agent Walker. It was simply her labored breathing instead of the normal beeping.

[Church AV Guy]

So, Mythos dies. Too bad. I was really hoping that he would stay around for a while.

I guess the remnants of CTU now have a bunch of diamonds to fund any further operations.

So, maintaining your cover with the bad guys involves killing a bunch of them?

The first gentleman is either smart or lucky. It looked to me like he waited as long as he could before it was too late and the wire was around his neck. He appeared to wait for the killer to be off balance, and then used his own body weight to topple them off railing. He landed on top of the guy, and used that advantage to choke him to death. It was very improbable, but not impossible. What am I thinking, in the 24 universe, the improbable is constrained to be what happens in these circumstances. :D

[Bierboy]

...Poor hot girl....

Not that hot IMO....but that's fodder for another thread (and maybe a poll!)...

[teknikel]

Not that hot IMO....but that's fodder for another thread (and maybe a poll!)...

Hotter than Hilary Swank.

[atrac]

There wasn't a silent clock last week for Agent Walker. It was simply her labored breathing instead of the normal beeping.

D'oh! I guess my ear infection took care of that little detail. :(

[newsposter]

So who was the guy that 'killed' tony but knew it was just a show so he later could be revived..i dont remember that.

i'm glad the prez is standing firm..makes the show more interesting than oops we better withdraw.

And i still think her advisor is top of the bad man chain of command.

best line of the night

"No I’m a stay at home mom"

[loubol]

I think they all need an hour break to eat lunch and go to the bathroom and then maybe they could make some better decisions. Couldnt jack have had Chloe pick him up a burger on the way to the hanger?

[Church AV Guy]

So who was the guy that 'killed' tony but knew it was just a show so he later could be revived..i dont remember that.

Christopher Henderson was played by Peter Weller in day 5. He was the person who trained jack. He was in about half the episodes of that season.

just to add, I think Tony "died" in episode 13 of day 5, 7pm to 8pm, and everyone was suspicious that they didn't have the silent clock at the end of that episode. He didn't "die" at the end of the episode as is customary, but much earlier on.

[Rob Helmerichs]

And i still think her advisor is top of the bad man chain of command.
He was so obviously evil from the moment he first appeared, I can't imagine he has anything to do with the conspiracy.

[stellie93]

I live about 20 miles from "Kidron, Ohio" the target for the next disaster. It's a small farming community--nothing like they're talking about. But it's the only Kidron Ohio I know of. We all were shocked to hear that we are a terrorist target out here in farm country. ;)

[BitbyBlit]

Nothing ATC could do would make planes hit each other. They all have active alerting systems (TCAS) that force response to near miss conditions which are completely independent of ATC.

I don't think this world is familiar with independent or redundant systems. :D

[busyba]

"Ok then... Let's put that behind us." :D

[busyba]

Anyway, yeah, I'm also enjoying the season. I was sad to see Tony's "brother" die like that, but I guess there wouldn't have been any easy way to keep him alive.

Considering his most well-known role, yeah, there really is. ;)

[Eptiger]

He was so obviously evil from the moment he first appeared, I can't imagine he has anything to do with the conspiracy.

So true :)

@busyba: How would they keep him around if he knew that they had been working against him? I did like the "let's put that behind us" thing =P I'm surprised they didn't think that was odd.

Elton

[Sirius Black]

So true :)

@busyba: How would they keep him around if he knew that they had been working against him? I did like the "let's put that behind us" thing =P I'm surprised they didn't think that was odd.

Elton

Well as far as the real bad guys know, they are all bad guys. The real bad guys tried to double cross the fake bad guys and failed. The fake bad guys decided that rather than burn bridges, they would take the betrayal as a standard operating procedure of bad guys and let it go. The thing that bothers me is that Jack wasn't exactly hidden and the fake bad guys had just said that Jack was dead.

[Sirius Black]

Considering his most well-known role, yeah, there really is. ;)

That really would be interesting. Bring sci-fi into the world of Jack Bauer.

[newsposter]

Well as far as the real bad guys know, they are all bad guys. The real bad guys tried to double cross the fake bad guys and failed. The fake bad guys decided that rather than burn bridges, they would take the betrayal as a standard operating procedure of bad guys and let it go. The thing that bothers me is that Jack wasn't exactly hidden and the fake bad guys had just said that Jack was dead.

easily explained..tony and jack wanted all the diamonds...but they had suspicions when they crew found out the leader was dead, there may be repercussions so jack had to be hiding out somewhere in case of trouble.

now the real problem is..why not kill the 2 remaining guys and why did they let them take away the man and his wife when if they killed both bad guys, they could have the diamonds AND have rescued the leader.

[DancnDude]

easily explained..tony and jack wanted all the diamonds...but they had suspicions when they crew found out the leader was dead, there may be repercussions so jack had to be hiding out somewhere in case of trouble.

now the real problem is..why not kill the 2 remaining guys and why did they let them take away the man and his wife when if they killed both bad guys, they could have the diamonds AND have rescued the leader.

They needed the leader to be dropped off at the next place so they can track the GPS in his tooth.

And I still think it's funny that they disbanded CTU this year but now FBI = CTU. The FBI are a bunch of dumbasses this year. And they think they're really changing up the forumla ;)

[BitbyBlit]

easily explained..tony and jack wanted all the diamonds...but they had suspicions when they crew found out the leader was dead, there may be repercussions so jack had to be hiding out somewhere in case of trouble.

now the real problem is..why not kill the 2 remaining guys and why did they let them take away the man and his wife when if they killed both bad guys, they could have the diamonds AND have rescued the leader.

From the perspective of the men who met Jack and Tony, Jack and Tony wanted to get away with the diamonds with the least amount of trouble. Killing all the men and dealing with Dubaku directly would have been an additional risk, and they had become well aware that Dubaku had no problem getting rid of loose ends. Not only that, but they didn't know where Dubaku was, so they might have had trouble contacting him in the first place. Killing all the men and fleeing without giving Dubaku the Matobos would have had Dubaku chasing after them in addition to the government. Thus, the best course of action was to let the remaining men live and give them the Matobos, so they could return to focus on their plans and keep the government's attention on them while Jack and Tony left the country with the diamonds.

[morac]

I like the show I just have to learn to ignore stupid plot points. Nothing ATC could do would make planes hit each other. They all have active alerting systems (TCAS) that force response to near miss conditions which are completely independent of ATC.

I thought about that too, but the 2nd plane in the collision was a tiny commuter shuttle (possibly a prop plane). IIRC smaller planes don't have a TCAS installed so at least that part is believable.

Of course there's other plot points such as the ATC system not being on a remotely accessible network in real life. Even if it was, there's no way to prevent voice communication with planes since you could basically just set up a transmitter and set it to the correct frequency and talk to them that way.

They could even shut down the ATC computers and run things manually if they wanted to. It's not as efficient, but it can be done.

[Eptiger]

That really would be interesting. Bring sci-fi into the world of Jack Bauer.

Oh is this because he was on Highlander? I never saw that show.

And I still think it's funny that they disbanded CTU this year but now FBI = CTU. The FBI are a bunch of dumbasses this year. And they think they're really changing up the forumla ;)

No way, I think CTU was cooler and more willing to break the rules to get things done. The FBI feels much bulkier and harder to control. Plus, the leak this time isn't the suspicious guy who goes into the server room ;)

They could even shut down the ATC computers and run things manually if they wanted to. It's not as efficient, but it can be done.

Yeah I mean ultimately the show is saying that without computers the pilots are totally screwed even though passengers were clearly able to make calls on the plane a couple of episodes ago. They could've just had the stewardesses/stewards borrow someone's phone. Planes had to have been flying before this SIP firewall was created, even in the 24 world.

Elton

[newsposter]

They needed the leader to be dropped off at the next place so they can track the GPS in his tooth.

)

no no no..i mean from the head guys perspective i'd be wondering why did jack bauer let ME live? makes no sense.

[DevdogAZ]

Forgot to mention this earlier. How did Jack/Tony contact Bill/Chloe to tell them about Agent Walker being buried? There's no way they could make a phone call while the other bad guys were watching them.

[jay_man2]

Forgot to mention this earlier. How did Jack/Tony contact Bill/Chloe to tell them about Agent Walker being buried? There's no way they could make a phone call while the other bad guys were watching them.I had the same question, then remembered I'm watching 24. :p

[IndyJones1023]

Maroon 5 guy died!

And why in the hell would that woman need her spare key to her own apartment?

[IndyJones1023]

Oh, and I think the only reason the First Dude was able to choke the evil agent is because the agent had the wind knocked out of him. He was on bottom when they hit the table.

[JohnB1000]

Forgot to mention this earlier. How did Jack/Tony contact Bill/Chloe to tell them about Agent Walker being buried? There's no way they could make a phone call while the other bad guys were watching them.

Read this thread last night and decided to post exactly this today, glad I read up a bit :)

[Eptiger]

Maroon 5 guy died!

And why in the hell would that woman need her spare key to her own apartment?

That's funny - I also thought he resembled Adam Levine. Anyway, I actually didn't notice her getting the key from under her rug. Maybe she left her keys at her office?

Forgot to mention this earlier. How did Jack/Tony contact Bill/Chloe to tell them about Agent Walker being buried? There's no way they could make a phone call while the other bad guys were watching them.

Weren't they listening in? I thought they had bugged Jack. At the least I'm sure they had a GPS on him. They probably just used context clues then to figure out exactly where she was given the conversation that was going on.

Elton

[JohnB1000]

You need to pay more attention :)

She definitely took the key from under the rug.

Bill said "Tony called us"

[DevdogAZ]

Oh, and I think the only reason the First Dude was able to choke the evil agent is because the agent had the wind knocked out of him. He was on bottom when they hit the table.
Once they fell over the railing, I agree with you. But the SS agent should never have been overpowered by the First Dude enough to fall over the railing in the first place.

[IndyJones1023]

Once they fell over the railing, I agree with you. But the SS agent should never have been overpowered by the First Dude enough to fall over the railing in the first place.

He wasn't overpowered, he was off balance. The struggle occurred right when he was trying to lean the First Dude over the ledge. The (dead) weight of the First Dude plus a little bit of a struggle sent them both over the edge.

[busyba]

Forgot to mention this earlier. How did Jack/Tony contact Bill/Chloe to tell them about Agent Walker being buried? There's no way they could make a phone call while the other bad guys were watching them.

Tony was wearing a wire. He could have simply spoken the details out loud while he and Jack were out of earshot on burial detail.

[Eptiger]

You need to pay more attention :)

She definitely took the key from under the rug.

Bill said "Tony called us"

You're paying too much attention to semantics =P The key thing doesn't make sense (so I agree with you there), but what's more effective: saying "Tony called us" or saying "We put a wire on Tony and he's deep under cover trying to get to Dubaku so he spoke through his wire and secretly told us where you were buried." :)

Elton

[speedcouch]

best line of the night

"No I’m a stay at home mom"

Absolutely hilarious! I can't stand Chloe, but that one had me laughing out loud! :up: Maybe she's developed a personality while we were away (other than her usual sour puss persona).

Cheryl

[Eptiger]

Absolutely hilarious! I can't stand Chloe, but that one had me laughing out loud! :up: Maybe she's developed a personality while we were away (other than her usual sour puss persona).

Cheryl

We still don't know about her kid, right? I mean we haven't met him or anything like that? I don't remember her getting pregnant.

Elton

[Zevida]

I think the season is cooking along just swimmingly! I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

I did not at all remember that Chloe had a kid, but I looked it up and apparently she found out she was pregnant right at the end of season 6. I remember basically nothing that happened in season 6.

I'm also thinking that if this was Law & Order, things would be looking very bad for the First Gentleman.

[jtfresh619]

If memory serves me, I do rememeber a silent clock for tony is season 5. I've always wondered if they would bring him back.