Tivo and Roxio Toast 10

[mohanman]

Hey guys,
anyone have this and have they used it to stream to their tivo? Any good?

Just curious if I should stick with my appletv for movies or try this out

Mo

[mohanman]

Nevermind. I wasted 99 dollars and answered my own question. The advertisement is false. It states stream on the fly. There is no streaming! It transfers the whole file, and does not work with most hd files I tried. Its liked I paid 99$ for pytivo which is a much better piece of software. Will probably ask for a refund

Mo

[richsadams]

Sorry that you had to find out the hard way, but glad that you posted. I purchased Toast 9 Titanium about a month ago and was a little ticked that I'd have to pay another $79 to upgrade for the "streaming" feature.

I'm using PyTivoX for basically the same thing but thought that Roxio had a better mouse trap (for $100 they should!) Guess I'll stick with what I have for now.

[PacoII]

Mac2TiVo doesn't do streaming, but what it does do is on the fly encoding to allow you to play any file on your TiVo immediately. I added a folder of AVIs to the sharing folder, and was immediately able to play them on my TiVo, without having to re-encode them into TiVo format. Yes, they have to transfer, that is the TiVo way, but I could start playing them within a few minutes of starting the transfer. Not having to encode them is awesome!

[PacoII]

Just curious, can you point me to where you saw this ad? Spoke with a friend who works at TiVo, and he said that they do not claim streaming of TiVo files in any ads they have. Just that you can transfer video from your mac to your TiVo. If there is one, he would like to know.

Nevermind. I wasted 99 dollars and answered my own question. The advertisement is false. It states stream on the fly. There is no streaming! It transfers the whole file, and does not work with most hd files I tried. Its liked I paid 99$ for pytivo which is a much better piece of software. Will probably ask for a refund

Mo

[gbrown]

I had the same issue wit ROXIO. They hounded me all last month to upgrade to 9. On the 22nd I did. Then they come out with 10. I complained to Customer Support. They offered to let me return 9 and buy 10.

But now that I have read this thread, it's just plain not worth it.

[mattack]

Can someone who has tried Toast 10 answer these questions:

1) Can you download from the Tivo WITHOUT reencoding (get the UNMODIFIED show downloaded, EXCEPT for the obvious unencryption)?

2) Does Roxio have any EDITING capabilities for the recordings? (i.e. I don't want to reencode them, slowly, to Quicktime format.)

3) Are the shows downloaded with extended info (show info -- at least show title, hopefully OAD and episode #)?

From what I've heard from others, #1 and #2 are _NO_ with respect to Toast 9.

[Ladd Morse]

Toast 9 has editing capabilities -- I use the included utility (Toast Video Player) all the time to edit out commercials. It is called from the "Extras" menu while in Toast.

[moyekj]

Just curious, can you point me to where you saw this ad? Spoke with a friend who works at TiVo, and he said that they do not claim streaming of TiVo files in any ads they have. Just that you can transfer video from your mac to your TiVo. If there is one, he would like to know.
It's right on Roxio's main web page about Toast 10:
http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/titanium/watch.html
Under the Mac2Tivo heading there is the following misleading (in bold) text:
Send standard and HD video from your Mac to your TiVo® DVR for viewing on television. Publish folders full of video on your Mac and stream them on-the-fly to your DVR without lengthy video conversions.
The use of "stream" is misleading as really what they are doing is converting on the fly to mpeg2 and then transferring to Tivo just like Tivo Desktop or pyTivo do.

[mattack]

Toast 9 has editing capabilities -- I use the included utility (Toast Video Player) all the time to edit out commercials. It is called from the "Extras" menu while in Toast.

But again, you have already *converted* the video to another format, right? It's not completely unmodified-from-the-Tivo video? Though I realize you are refuting part of what I said, I thought it didn't have editing capabilities.

[Mindflux]

Toast 9 has editing capabilities -- I use the included utility (Toast Video Player) all the time to edit out commercials. It is called from the "Extras" menu while in Toast.

Toast Video player edits files? I couldn't figure out how to make that work. You can drop a video file into Toast's burn session and click edit and you get this little funky window for editing, but I've never seen Toast Video Player do it.

[Ladd Morse]

Please excuse me -- I was fooled by looking at the menus as to which application (Toast Video Player vs Toast 9) did the editing, but the capability is definitely there.

When doing the editing, you are in definitely in Toast Video Player (as can be seen by looking at the menus), **BUT** you only have the editing controls IF you get to Toast Video Player from within Toast itself.

Open up Toast 9. On the left side near the top, select the VIDEO tab. Below that, select the DVD-Video option.

To the main Toast window, add an MPEG file that has been sucked from the TiVo with your favorite transfer application (I've been using TiVo Decode Manager). You can drag-and-drop or click the "+" button near the bottom left of the main window.

One the MPEG has been added, click the EDIT button to the right of the name of the MPEG. You are taken to the window where you can edit the name and other info, and set the thumbnail image for the DVD menu.

Under the thumbnail image is *another* EDIT button. Click this button and the video will (eventually) appear with editing tools exactly like those used in Elgato's EyeTV software.

Mark the beginning and the end of the commercials you wish to delete, close the windows to go back to the main Toast window, name the Disc or Disk Image file you wish to create and click the "go" button in the lower right corner.

A disc image or burned disc (your option) of your mpeg file will be created and the commercials will not be there.

My apologies for not realizing that Roxio had fooled me into thinking that if I was editing out commercials in Toast Video Player, the edit controls would always be available no matter how you got to Toast Video player.

[mattack]

A disc image or burned disc (your option) of your mpeg file will be created and the commercials will not be there.

Do you mean a .dmg or what? So you can't get just a .mov out of it or a raw MPEG2 file?

Basically, I hope to be able to edit the recordings then still have them on a hard drive. (not on the Tivo). I have been burning stuff to DVD-Rs or DVD-RWs on my non-Tivo hard drive/DVD recorder, but once I got S3 & TivoHD, I thought I could use the transfer-to-computer for this.. but the inability to edit (without reencoding) has been a blocking issue for me.

[Ladd Morse]

MPEG Streamclip can open TiVo files pulled from the TiVo via TiVo Decode Manager, and it had editing capabilities. After editing, you can save the video file into most video file types.

[Timber]

Please excuse me -- I was fooled by looking at the menus as to which application (Toast Video Player vs Toast 9) did the editing, but the capability is definitely there.

When doing the editing, you are in definitely in Toast Video Player (as can be seen by looking at the menus), **BUT** you only have the editing controls IF you get to Toast Video Player from within Toast itself.

Open up Toast 9. On the left side near the top, select the VIDEO tab. Below that, select the DVD-Video option.

To the main Toast window, add an MPEG file that has been sucked from the TiVo with your favorite transfer application (I've been using TiVo Decode Manager). You can drag-and-drop or click the "+" button near the bottom left of the main window.

One the MPEG has been added, click the EDIT button to the right of the name of the MPEG. You are taken to the window where you can edit the name and other info, and set the thumbnail image for the DVD menu.

Under the thumbnail image is *another* EDIT button. Click this button and the video will (eventually) appear with editing tools exactly like those used in Elgato's EyeTV software.

Mark the beginning and the end of the commercials you wish to delete, close the windows to go back to the main Toast window, name the Disc or Disk Image file you wish to create and click the "go" button in the lower right corner.

A disc image or burned disc (your option) of your mpeg file will be created and the commercials will not be there.

My apologies for not realizing that Roxio had fooled me into thinking that if I was editing out commercials in Toast Video Player, the edit controls would always be available no matter how you got to Toast Video player.

This has been driving me crazy the past 24 hours and I'm still not following so maybe its me. I can't figure out how to remove the commercials, I move the video over from TiVo Transfer, select Edit twice, run Media Editor and identify the start and end points but then literally what are the next things I do? I'm calling the Toast Media Editor from within Toast 10.

Thanks!

-=Tim=-

[Ladd Morse]

This has been driving me crazy the past 24 hours and I'm still not following so maybe its me. I can't figure out how to remove the commercials, I move the video over from TiVo Transfer, select Edit twice, run Media Editor and identify the start and end points but then literally what are the next things I do? I'm calling the Toast Media Editor from within Toast 10. This confused me at first also, being used to working with the actual EyeTV software where in editing you set the beginning and end points to cut out the commercials, click a command to actually cut out the commercials, then close the editing window.

In Toast, you do the "click edit twice" trick to get to Toast Video Player with editing controls, set the beginning and end points to show where you want the commercials cut out, then you simply close the window.

When you go to make a disc image or burn the video to disc, Toast skips over the commercials.

Very unintuitive, I know, with the software giving no indication that the edit points you set are acknowledged, but it works.

[Timber]

This confused me at first also, being used to working with the actual EyeTV software where in editing you set the beginning and end points to cut out the commercials, click a command to actually cut out the commercials, then close the editing window.

In Toast, you do the "click edit twice" trick to get to Toast Video Player with editing controls, set the beginning and end points to show where you want the commercials cut out, then you simply close the window.

When you go to make a disc image or burn the video to disc, Toast skips over the commercials.

Very unintuitive, I know, with the software giving no indication that the edit points you set are acknowledged, but it works.

Thanks!!!

However, OMG that's the lousiest interface I've ever heard of!!!

-=Tim=-

[richsadams]

However, OMG that's the lousiest interface I've ever heard of!!!You can say that again!

[Timber]

So I just upgraded to 10 from 8, apart from commercial editing (LOL) what other benefits are there?

-=Tim=-