Entourage 11/16/08

[Philosofy]

I like how they're fleshing Turtle out. But I did find it a little implausible that the studio owner scrapped the entire movie. Dana should have been able to handle that one (or at least Drama :))

[hanumang]

Actually, (and sorry if I'm ruining the joke) there is precedent for the scrapping of an entire movie in production. A remake of Revenge of the Nerds was killed in much the same way. (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117954365.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)

Looking forward to the boys spending some time in Queens... :D

[Sirius Black]

So now Entourage is no longer about an actor and his followers. It's just a bunch of guys who, presumably, live in the same apartment in Queens. Vinnie can go back to his pizza delivery job. Are they ending the show?

[Philosofy]

Vinnie can live in Queens and guest star on Law and Order episodes.

[flatcurve]

I want to know why Eric went back. Doesn't he have other clients? Whether or not the movie got made, his writers still got paid.

[Fofer]

I thought this was a great episode, it really picked up from a disappointing last few. The tense screen between Vince and the director was very well done... it was one of the few times we've gotten to see Vince truly struggle.

And when the director ran through the studio demanding to speak to the chairman, that was great too!

[Fofer]

I want to know why Eric went back. Doesn't he have other clients? Whether or not the movie got made, his writers still got paid.
They would have gotten paid a LOT MORE when the movie was released. Production getting halted carves a huge chunk out of their payday. That'll be an interesting call to make...

And yes, E should have stayed back, he has other clients... but we all know his biggest and true loyalty is and always will be with Vince.

Even still, he has his cell phone and can still conduct business from Queens.

I hope they don't go the cheesy route and have E fielding Hollywood calls while he's flippin' pizza pies. :p

[hanumang]

So now Entourage is no longer about an actor and his followers. It's just a bunch of guys who, presumably, live in the same apartment in Queens. Vinnie can go back to his pizza delivery job. Are they ending the show?

Except for this year, we've never actually seen Vince during the production of a film. The series as always taken place between shoots. I'm guessing you disagree, but a trip back to Queens doesn't make the series into something it hasn't been...

And no, Entourage has been renewed for season 6 (http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6602342.html).

[ClutchBrake]

I see them going back to Queens as nothing more than heading back home to lick their wounds for a bit.

[Sirius Black]

I'm guessing you disagree, but a trip back to Queens doesn't make the series into something it hasn't been...

And no, Entourage has been renewed for season 6 (http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6602342.html).

I probably do disagree because until this season, the show has been about living the good life of being a Hollywood superstar. Hollywood has beens and nobodies (which Vinnie is very close to becoming) don't have entourages. They have friends. Like most hollywood celebrities, Vinnie has no other marketable job skills. What's he going to do in Queens? Aforementioned pizza delivery?

It was odd that both Drama and Eric were on the plane back to New York. Both of them are gainfully employed and presumably making some income. Do we know for sure that plane was heading to New York or were they just going back to LA? Did they actually say they were going to New York?

I'm glad to see it's been picked up for another season either way. I just miss the old feel of the show.

[Philosofy]

Drama might be on hiatus, and they might just be going back for a long weekend or two week vacation.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Do we know for sure that plane was heading to New York or were they just going back to LA? Did they actually say they were going to New York?
They were already in LA, so they must have been going somewhere else.

Interesting that they're all flying coach, including Vince...

Also interesting that so often, the second-to-last episode in an Entourage season feels like a season finalé.

[Philosofy]

I couldn't quite make out the flight attendant dialogue at the end: something like "Is that Vincent Chase back in coach?" and I missed the reply.

[Fofer]

Interesting that they're all flying coach, including Vince...

Vince flew coach earlier -- he gave his seat to Turtle, remember, that's when he met Jamie Lynn. And he even got a compliment from the kid sitting in front of him.

I couldn't quite make out the flight attendant dialogue at the end: something like "Is that Vincent Chase back in coach?" and I missed the reply.

The other flight attendant just shook her head and said "no" -- as if it's just so impossible to believe that a big star like Vincent Chase would be sitting in coach.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Vince flew coach earlier -- he gave his seat to Turtle, remember, that's when he met Jamie Lynn. And he even got a compliment from the kid sitting in front of him.
Right, but he had a first-class ticket that time. Not this time.

[Fofer]

Right, but he had a first-class ticket that time. Not this time.

True dat.

[hanumang]

Right, but he had a first-class ticket that time. Not this time.

Right, but the reasoning for getting even that one 1st Class tix - in 'First Class Jerk' (my fav episode title) - was so that all 4 of them could fly back together. Otherwise, one dude would have to catch the next flight.

In First Class Jerk, E even chided Turtle about that expense - saying he wasn't even supposed to get one 1st Class - so Vince flying coach again (in this last episode) is in keeping with how tight money is with the gang...

[TiVo Bum]

I couldn't quite make out the flight attendant dialogue at the end: something like "Is that Vincent Chase back in coach?" and I missed the reply."Is that Vincent Chase back in 13b?" "In coach??? No."

[Sparty99]

Actually, (and sorry if I'm ruining the joke) there is precedent for the scrapping of an entire movie in production. A remake of Revenge of the Nerds was killed in much the same way. (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117954365.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)

Looking forward to the boys spending some time in Queens... :D
First, that description did not find the movie cancelled in the same matter as we saw last night, and second, a Revenge of the Nerds remake is not a $100M blockbuster as Smoke Jumpers was.

[Fofer]

First, that description did not find the movie cancelled in the same matter as we saw last night, and second, a Revenge of the Nerds remake is not a $100M blockbuster as Smoke Jumpers was.

Good points. I will counter that, first, "Entourage" is a TV show and second, TV shows (and movies) often play a bit fast and loose when it comes to storytelling, for the sake of dramatic effect. :D

[Sparty99]

Good points. I will counter that, first, "Entourage" is a TV show and second, TV shows (and movies) often play a bit fast and loose when it comes to storytelling, for the sake of dramatic effect. :D
All very true, but the level of catastrophe in Vince's career is getting ridiculous. I think for me it went off the deep end when he threw the $1M photo shoot out the window. It's just going too far. It's like they're saying, "Well, we've finally got Vince on the right track, how can we screw it up for him again." The type of directorial B.S. that we saw last night would never be done in the real world, especially if he signed on to the project knowing that Vince was on board.

[lonaman]

Except for this year, we've never actually seen Vince during the production of a film. The series as always taken place between shoots. I'm guessing you disagree, but a trip back to Queens doesn't make the series into something it hasn't been...

Medellin

[hanumang]

First, that description did not find the movie cancelled in the same matter as we saw last night, and second, a Revenge of the Nerds remake is not a $100M blockbuster as Smoke Jumpers was.

I beg to differ on the first point. Smoke Jumpers was scrapped because the dailies sucked - especially bad for an overbudget production - not because Werner Weiner and Vince couldn't get along.

As for Revenge of the Nerds, the loss of the shooting location isn't as big a deal as it was made out to be in the press releases. That happens a lot. The remake was done-in because the project was a bad idea from the start, and the dailies demonstrated that.

[hanumang]

Medellin

I was waiting for someone to say this. :)

I don't think Medellin counts. There was only one episode where we were actually on set. And even that episode wasn't done in the typical Entourage style (because, yes, it was an homage to Hearts of Darkness).

But if you think it counts, fine. :)

[DevdogAZ]

So what do you guys think about Vince's performance? What they showed us was pretty poor, and I have to agree with Werner's assessment. So are the people who make Entourage wanting us to believe that Vince really isn't a good actor and this is going to force him to become better? Or do the people who make Entourage really think Vince's performance was good and we're supposed to side with Ari that Werner is a nutcase?

[Sirius Black]

Can't we believe both? That Vinnie isn't that great and that Werner is a nutcase? It's made what 3 films in five years? That includes that independent film he did before Aquaman and doesn't include this film that isn't going to happen. That's a major indication that something is not quite right about Vincent's career.

[Jesda]

'Vince' is on par with Tom Cruise in terms of talent. Make of that what you will.

[DevdogAZ]

Can't we believe both? That Vinnie isn't that great and that Werner is a nutcase? It's made what 3 films in five years? That includes that independent film he did before Aquaman and doesn't include this film that isn't going to happen. That's a major indication that something is not quite right about Vincent's career.
It just seems odd that the star of the show, who is loosely based on Mark Wahlberg, who in turn is Exec. Producer of the show, would be intentionally portrayed as a crappy actor. In the past, we've been led to believe that he's a very good actor, from his work in Queen's Boulevard and Aquaman, and that the problems with Medellin were not the fault of his acting, but more about the direction and the stupid fat suit he was in.

That's why I'm wondering what their intention is. Is it possible they were wanting viewers to believe that Vince was knocking those takes out of the park and that Werner just had it out for him? That's what Dana Gordon's line at the end of the episode seemed to indicate. But I just didn't see it. Vince seemed flat and emotionless and if I were that director, I'd have made him shoot it again too, although I might have given him a little more "direction."

So is Vince really a crappy actor after all? Is he just experiencing a lack of confidence? What's the point of this story line?
'Vince' is on par with Tom Cruise in terms of talent. Make of that what you will.
Whatever you may think of Tom Cruise's talent (or his mental state), the fact remains that he is one of the biggest box office stars of all time. If they were portraying Vince as a mediocre actor who got tons of roles simply because of sex appeal, then I could see the comparison, but since Vince really isn't getting any roles, I can't buy it.

[jgerry]

I beg to differ on the first point. Smoke Jumpers was scrapped because the dailies sucked - especially bad for an overbudget production - not because Werner Weiner and Vince couldn't get along.
Didn't Dana say that both she and whatshisname the chairman thought Vince was great in the dailies? Did they also say the dailies sucked overall? I can't remember.

[hanumang]

Didn't Dana say that both she and whatshisname the chairman thought Vince was great in the dailies? Did they also say the dailies sucked overall? I can't remember.

Yes to both. Dana and John Ellis thought Vince was great in the dailies but that the dailies did suck overall.

[flatcurve]

It's hard to judge because when an actor has to act like he's acting, they usually either dead pan it or ham it up to make it obvious on screen.

[tivoboyjr]

It just seems odd that the star of the show, who is loosely based on Mark Wahlberg, who in turn is Exec. Producer of the show, would be intentionally portrayed as a crappy actor. In the past, we've been led to believe that he's a very good actor, from his work in Queen's Boulevard and Aquaman, and that the problems with Medellin were not the fault of his acting, but more about the direction and the stupid fat suit he was in.

That's why I'm wondering what their intention is. Is it possible they were wanting viewers to believe that Vince was knocking those takes out of the park and that Werner just had it out for him? That's what Dana Gordon's line at the end of the episode seemed to indicate. But I just didn't see it. Vince seemed flat and emotionless and if I were that director, I'd have made him shoot it again too, although I might have given him a little more "direction."

So is Vince really a crappy actor after all? Is he just experiencing a lack of confidence? What's the point of this story line?

Whatever you may think of Tom Cruise's talent (or his mental state), the fact remains that he is one of the biggest box office stars of all time. If they were portraying Vince as a mediocre actor who got tons of roles simply because of sex appeal, then I could see the comparison, but since Vince really isn't getting any roles, I can't buy it.

While watching, what I thought would happen was that Werner would get Vince worked up enough that Vince would give a great performance (which Werner may or may not have admitted) and the movie would be a hit and Vince's performance would be acclaimed and he (and the gang) would be back on track. I was surprised at the way things went, and none of it seemed realistic to me. I guess the point was just to show that Wener was a nutcase and the movie was doomed. But even then, it seems like the studio would just replace Werner and not shut the whole thing down.

But yeah, Vince didn't seem very good to me.

Didn't Dana say that both she and whatshisname the chairman thought Vince was great in the dailies? Did they also say the dailies sucked overall? I can't remember.

I didn't hear that. I just heard Dana say that whatshisname thought Vince was great. So if Vince was great and he was the supposed weak link, why shut it down? Even if it was over-budget -- don't most big action movies go over budget? Wouldn't it be better to bring in another director to finish it to at least recoup some of the money already spent?

[SNJpage1]

In one of the shows this season Ari told Vince that he was not a great actor but he was great at being an actor. Meaning his persona was what made him a big ticket seller not his acting.

[hanumang]

So is Vince really a crappy actor after all? Is he just experiencing a lack of confidence? What's the point of this story line?

Though the powers that be might never admit this, I believe the point of this storyline is to demonstrate that when it comes to stardom in show business, luck is the biggest factor.

For a long time, Vince got by on luck. He's still very many of things that he was when he was a 'big star' (including 'principled' and a totally emotional decision maker) but he isn't catching any breaks now. As mentioned, if Werner wasn't a complete nutjob, Vince might be back on track.

I understand whittling it all down to luck might seem like a copout but it fits how folks in the biz feel about the biz. (The kind of mindset that drives Entourage, even if the show is caricature, at least in terms of how it treats the business side of things.)

[MacThor]

Except for this year, we've never actually seen Vince during the production of a film. The series as always taken place between shoots. I'm guessing you disagree, but a trip back to Queens doesn't make the series into something it hasn't been...[/URL].

Aquaman. James Cameron & Mandy Moore.

[Rob Helmerichs]

While watching, what I thought would happen was that Werner would get Vince worked up enough that Vince would give a great performance (which Werner may or may not have admitted) and the movie would be a hit and Vince's performance would be acclaimed and he (and the gang) would be back on track. I was surprised at the way things went, and none of it seemed realistic to me. I guess the point was just to show that Wener was a nutcase and the movie was doomed. But even then, it seems like the studio would just replace Werner and not shut the whole thing down.

But yeah, Vince didn't seem very good to me.
In that particular scene, where I think he started off not very good (because of Werner's undermining of his confidence by mentioning non-existent tics) and got worse (because of his increasing confusion over what the hell Werner wanted). But in the earlier scenes I thought Vince was just fine, even if he didn't have a lot to do.

It does take an awfully good actor to play an actor giving a variable performance, and Grenier probably didn't nail it to the wall. But I thought he did an OK job of showing the deterioration of Vince's performance due to Werner's interference and undermining.

[hanumang]

Aquaman. James Cameron & Mandy Moore.

No, sorry.

We saw pre-production stuff (screen tests of the harpoon weapon and the dry-for-wet process) and casting, but we never actually were on set (aka production) like we've been with Smoke Jumpers.

[Bananfish]

I think Vince also said he did 50 takes - we only saw a few. I suspect some takes were better than other, but by the end Werner had him so discombobulated that he didn't know which way was up.

[mrpantstm]

I can only assume they're going back to Brooklyn to help Vince find himself again. The other three have all started lives on the west coast, to more or less of a degree. Drama has his show, Eric has one or two other clients and Turtle...well Turtle has a booty call and a possible limo business.

I know they are all friends but I can't imagine Vince would be the kind of movie star/friend to make them drop their lives because he's going through a rough patch. I figure it'll be a way for Vince to get back to his roots and he'll go back.

Bet Ari wishes he took that Studio Exec job now.

[Rob Helmerichs]

...well Turtle has a booty call...
...with a New York girl!

[zordude]

They would have gotten paid a LOT MORE when the movie was released. Production getting halted carves a huge chunk out of their payday.

In the episode with the bidding war for the script, I know it started out as X up front and Y if it gets made, but I thought by the the time it was all done they just got paid a flat 5mil (or some such) up front, with no contingency.

Z

[zordude]

I probably do disagree because until this season, the show has been about living the good life of being a Hollywood superstar. Hollywood has beens and nobodies (which Vinnie is very close to becoming) don't have entourages. They have friends. Like most hollywood celebrities, Vinnie has no other marketable job skills. What's he going to do in Queens? Aforementioned pizza delivery?

I'm glad to see it's been picked up for another season either way. I just miss the old feel of the show.

I'm not trying to show-crap, but I said this last week and still agree.

I hope the guys get back "up" soon.

Z

[Rob Helmerichs]

In the episode with the bidding war for the script, I know it started out as X up front and Y if it gets made, but I thought by the the time it was all done they just got paid a flat 5mil (or some such) up front, with no contingency.
I'm pretty sure that all writing deals are structured so they get a portion when they sign, another portion when production begins, and another portion when production ends.

[hanumang]

Yes to both. Dana and John Ellis thought Vince was great in the dailies but that the dailies did suck overall.

Actually, I need to correct this, as this is not how it went down (just caught the last 5 minutes on a re-air).

The boys, after Werner storms into Ellis' meeting, talk about how unfair it is to judge a film based on three days worth of dailies, but Dana doesn't specifically mention the dailies being bad (she mentions the film being overcomplicated and a mess as the reason it was scrapped).

So while I'd argue it's inferred, it's not explicitly stated. Sorry.

[zordude]

I'm pretty sure that all writing deals are structured so they get a portion when they sign, another portion when production begins, and another portion when production ends.

In the real world, I agree... I just don't think that's how it went down in the show.

Z

[tem]

I think it was kind of stupid to just drop the writers' story line completely.

And, they should have gotten Werner Herzog to play the director. He could have just played himself :)

(and :down: for spelling it 'Verner')

[Bob Coxner]

A good real world example of a movie being shut down in mid production would be Man of La Mancha, directed by Terry Gilliam (who is almost as nuts as Werner Herzog). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_La_Mancha The irony is the documentary about the disaster was very good.

Don Quixote is considered a cursed film source. Orson Welles also had a movie production of it killed in mid production. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote_(unfinished_film)

[BriGuy20]

Man of La Mancha is a good example, but I don't think it was a summer tentpole kind of production like it seems they wanted Smoke Jumpers to be. J.K. Rowling wanted Gilliam to make Harry Potter, but the studio gave that an unequivocal no based on Terry's history of messy productions.

My guess is what USUALLY happens with messes like this is the studio comes in, edits the movie (or has a merc director do it for them), and it turns into crap (Ultraviolet, Brazil, etc.). I do have trouble thinking that the director's vision would have been better in this case though.

[hanumang]

Man of La Mancha is a good example, but I don't think it was a summer tentpole kind of production like it seems they wanted Smoke Jumpers to be.

That's the aspect of Entourage - that a summer tentpole would get thrown out like this - that makes it caricature, of course. :)

Never mind the fact that two unknown writers get their first script turned into a tentpole...

[BriGuy20]

Just scrapping a $100 million movie seems more far-fetched to me than unknowns getting their first script turned into a tentpole.

It does seem like the big tentpole guys (George Lucas, Speilberg, Wachowskis, Peter Jackson) have all cut their teeth on at least one movie/script before penning/helming a blockbuster.

[hanumang]

Sorry - I wasn't arguing one point over the other, only that the show is 'out there' when it comes to things like this.

[BriGuy20]

Sorry - I wasn't arguing one point over the other, only that the show is 'out there' when it comes to things like this.

I can agree with you on that point 100%. :)

[Fofer]

Honestly, none of this is any less believable than half the crap on this show. :D

Drama's shenanigans, E's "success," Turtle getting it on with Jamie Lynn...

It's not meant to be a documentary on the film business. It's just meant to be fun, wish-fulfillment entertainment, the guy's version of "Sex in the City."

[tivoboyjr]

I had a dream last night that only Entourage fans will get it or possibly think it's funny.

Barak Obama's choice for Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is the brother of Ari Emanuel, the Hollywood agent who was the inspiration for Ari Gold. (True story, if you didn't know.) They supposedly have very similar personalities. For some reason, this fascinates me and I guess it led me to think of the following in a dream or when half-awake. Think of this as an extended SNL sketch. A digital short, perhaps:

Jeremy Piven is the host and plays both Ari Gold and his brother Rahm Gold, who just got the gig as President Obama's Chief of Staff. The sketch is about the life of Rahm Gold in the White House, and the point of the sketch is that his life is very similar to Ari's.

Both have gay Asian assistants (Lloyd/Boyd), who help them tremendously but they verbally abuse. Rahm is constantly getting in trouble for the way he speaks to Boyd, which doesn't fly so well in the White House.

Obama is a lot like Vinnie Chase. He looks like a President and acts like a President, but some people question whether he has the goods to deliver. At heart, Barak is a decent guy, but sometimes the weight of his responsibilities get him down. He needs Rahm to keep him focused and keep up his confidence, though things always seem to work out for Barak in the end.

Both Ari and Rahm have wives played by Perrey Reeves. Her purpose is to show that Ari/Rahm do in fact defer to someone, and also to occasionally be shown getting dressed/undressed so we get a gratuitous shot of her hot body.

Obama has a manager "G," who is also his best friend. G is played by Verne Troyer. Rahm and G do not get along.

Obama's older brother, John, lives with them in the White House. John's nickname is "Johnny Politics." John was once a rising star city councilman, but has since lost several bids to be water commissioner in a rural community in campaigns financed by his brother.

That's all I remember. It's better than the monotone-talking guy and the Target lady on SNL, right? Where do I submit my script? :)

[hanumang]

Obama doesn't have a Turtle? :)

Andrew Klein represents more than a few writers, maybe you should give him a call...

[tivoboyjr]

Obama doesn't have a Turtle? :)

Andrew Klein represents more than a few writers, maybe you should give him a call...

Like I said, that was all I could remember. I think Turtle was just the same.

You happen to have Andy's number? :)

[Fofer]

I had a dream last night that only Entourage fans will get it or possibly think it's funny.

Barak Obama's choice for Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is the brother of Ari Emanuel, the Hollywood agent who was the inspiration for Ari Gold. (True story, if you didn't know.) They supposedly have very similar personalities. For some reason, this fascinates me...

If you want to be further fascinated, Rahm Emanuel himself is said to be the inspiration for the character "Josh Lyman" on "The West Wing."

Interesting pair of brothers, those Emanuel men are. :)

[tivoboyjr]

If you want to be further fascinated, Rahm Emanuel himself is said to be the inspiration for the character "Josh Lyman" on "The West Wing."

Interesting pair of brothers, those Emanuel men are. :)

I knew that, but it didn't inspire any dreams.

[hanumang]

You happen to have Andy's number? :)

Well, my girlfriend's ex-roomate's half-sister worked in his Encino office.

I'll see what I can do. :)

[tivoboyjr]

Well, my girlfriend's ex-roomate's half-sister worked in his Encino office.

I'll see what I can do. :)

Thanks so much! Now we're talking. I've got a million ideas better than that one, by the way. I'll be waiting to hear from you. :)

[DevdogAZ]

Never mind the fact that two unknown writers get their first script turned into a tentpole...
Not to mention that it went from unknown script to production in a very short period of time, probably just a couple of months.

[DevdogAZ]

I had a dream last night that only Entourage fans will get it or possibly think it's funny.

Barak Obama's choice for Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is the brother of Ari Emanuel, the Hollywood agent who was the inspiration for Ari Gold. (True story, if you didn't know.) They supposedly have very similar personalities. For some reason, this fascinates me and I guess it led me to think of the following in a dream or when half-awake. Think of this as an extended SNL sketch. A digital short, perhaps:

Jeremy Piven is the host and plays both Ari Gold and his brother Rahm Gold, who just got the gig as President Obama's Chief of Staff. The sketch is about the life of Rahm Gold in the White House, and the point of the sketch is that his life is very similar to Ari's.

Both have gay Asian assistants (Lloyd/Boyd), who help them tremendously but they verbally abuse. Rahm is constantly getting in trouble for the way he speaks to Boyd, which doesn't fly so well in the White House.

Obama is a lot like Vinnie Chase. He looks like a President and acts like a President, but some people question whether he has the goods to deliver. At heart, Barak is a decent guy, but sometimes the weight of his responsibilities get him down. He needs Rahm to keep him focused and keep up his confidence, though things always seem to work out for Barak in the end.

Both Ari and Rahm have wives played by Perrey Reeves. Her purpose is to show that Ari/Rahm do in fact defer to someone, and also to occasionally be shown getting dressed/undressed so we get a gratuitous shot of her hot body.

Obama has a manager "G," who is also his best friend. G is played by Verne Troyer. Rahm and G do not get along.

Obama's older brother, John, lives with them in the White House. John's nickname is "Johnny Politics." John was once a rising star city councilman, but has since lost several bids to be water commissioner in a rural community in campaigns financed by his brother.

That's all I remember. It's better than the monotone-talking guy and the Target lady on SNL, right? Where do I submit my script? :)

I love it. Too bad they could never do it, though (unless they license it from you now).

But just to preserve the fantasy, it would be pretty cool if Jeremy Piven and Bradley Whitford played the two roles. And I love the Verne Troyer bit.

[tivoboyjr]

I love it. Too bad they could never do it, though (unless they license it from you now).


I'm like the two rednecks who wrote Smoke Jumpers - very willing to sell out.

[Sparty99]

Drama's shenanigans, E's "success," Turtle getting it on with Jamie Lynn...
Interestingly enough, however, Jerry Ferarra apparently is getting it on with Jamie-Lynn in real life.

[Amnesia]

Interestingly enough, however, Jerry Ferarra apparently is getting it on with Jamie-Lynn in real life.
Source?

[Fofer]

Interestingly enough, however, Jerry Ferarra apparently is getting it on with Jamie-Lynn in real life.

Interestingly enough, Jerry Ferarra the actor getting it on with Jamie-Lynn Siegler the actress, is somewhat believable to me.

Yet, "Turtle" (the character) getting it on with "Jamie-Lynn" (the character playing herself as the actress) is not.

That said, I'm not too quick to believe the former, either. Just because a gossip rag bought a paparazzi's photo of them hanging out at some event together certainly doesn't mean they're "getting it on."

[Sparty99]

Source?

Interestingly enough, Jerry Ferarra the actor getting it on with Jamie-Lynn Siegler the actress, is somewhat believable to me.

Yet, "Turtle" (the character) getting it on with "Jamie-Lynn" (the character playing herself as the actress) is not.

That said, I'm not too quick to believe the former, either. Just because a gossip rag bought a paparazzi's photo of them hanging out at some event together certainly doesn't mean they're "getting it on."
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS291&pwst=1&q=jamie-lynn+sigler,+jerry+ferrara&start=0&sa=N

[DevdogAZ]

Interestingly enough, Jerry Ferarra the actor getting it on with Jamie-Lynn Siegler the actress, is somewhat believable to me.

Yet, "Turtle" (the character) getting it on with "Jamie-Lynn" (the character playing herself as the actress) is not.

That said, I'm not too quick to believe the former, either. Just because a gossip rag bought a paparazzi's photo of them hanging out at some event together certainly doesn't mean they're "getting it on."
Well, she definitely didn't deny it when asked about it.

[Fofer]

Well, she definitely didn't deny it when asked about it.
Okay, so they're getting it on, I still stand by my statement... Jerry Ferrara with Jamie-Lynn Siegler is a helluva lot more believable than Turtle the hanger-on with Jamie-Lynn Siegler.

[Bob Coxner]

If you want to be further fascinated, Rahm Emanuel himself is said to be the inspiration for the character "Josh Lyman" on "The West Wing."

Interesting pair of brothers, those Emanuel men are. :)

There's a third brother who's a world famous physician. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_J._Emanuel Rahm's mother has been quoted as saying Rahm is the least successful of the three brothers.

My favorite quote from Rahm was when he was asked what "Rahm" meant. He said it was Hebrew for "f**k you". Does that sound like Ari Gold/Emanuel, or what?

[Fofer]

There's a third brother who's a world famous physician. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_J._Emanuel Rahm's mother has been quoted as saying Rahm is the least successful of the three brothers.
Wow. That's just... amazing. I'd love to see a profile on this interesting family done. A TV interview with all of them together. And get a glimpse at their parents, too.

My favorite quote from Rahm was when he was asked what "Rahm" meant. He said it was Hebrew for "f**k you".?

I know he was just joking, but just to be pedantic, "Rahm" translates from Hebrew to "thunder."

[TAsunder]

In that particular scene, where I think he started off not very good (because of Werner's undermining of his confidence by mentioning non-existent tics) and got worse (because of his increasing confusion over what the hell Werner wanted). But in the earlier scenes I thought Vince was just fine, even if he didn't have a lot to do.

It does take an awfully good actor to play an actor giving a variable performance, and Grenier probably didn't nail it to the wall. But I thought he did an OK job of showing the deterioration of Vince's performance due to Werner's interference and undermining.

That's how I saw it as well. I think the show also goes to some lengths to make all movies look bad. Aquaman looked terrible, Medellin even worse. Queens Boulevard looked possibly worse than Medellin. It is, after all, a comedy, and I think a lot of the humor comes from how bad the movies he's making are.

Okay, so they're getting it on, I still stand by my statement... Jerry Ferrara with Jamie-Lynn Siegler is a helluva lot more believable than Turtle the hanger-on with Jamie-Lynn Siegler.

Turtle with a fictionalized version of Jamie-Lynn Siegler is believable. If she has it for losers then she has it for losers.

[Snappa77]

I had a dream last night that only Entourage fans will get it or possibly think it's funny.

Barak Obama's choice for Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is the brother of Ari Emanuel, the Hollywood agent who was the inspiration for Ari Gold. (True story, if you didn't know.) They supposedly have very similar personalities. For some reason, this fascinates me and I guess it led me to think of the following in a dream or when half-awake. Think of this as an extended SNL sketch. A digital short, perhaps:

Jeremy Piven is the host and plays both Ari Gold and his brother Rahm Gold, who just got the gig as President Obama's Chief of Staff. The sketch is about the life of Rahm Gold in the White House, and the point of the sketch is that his life is very similar to Ari's.

Both have gay Asian assistants (Lloyd/Boyd), who help them tremendously but they verbally abuse. Rahm is constantly getting in trouble for the way he speaks to Boyd, which doesn't fly so well in the White House.

Obama is a lot like Vinnie Chase. He looks like a President and acts like a President, but some people question whether he has the goods to deliver. At heart, Barak is a decent guy, but sometimes the weight of his responsibilities get him down. He needs Rahm to keep him focused and keep up his confidence, though things always seem to work out for Barak in the end.

Both Ari and Rahm have wives played by Perrey Reeves. Her purpose is to show that Ari/Rahm do in fact defer to someone, and also to occasionally be shown getting dressed/undressed so we get a gratuitous shot of her hot body.

Obama has a manager "G," who is also his best friend. G is played by Verne Troyer. Rahm and G do not get along.

Obama's older brother, John, lives with them in the White House. John's nickname is "Johnny Politics." John was once a rising star city councilman, but has since lost several bids to be water commissioner in a rural community in campaigns financed by his brother.

That's all I remember. It's better than the monotone-talking guy and the Target lady on SNL, right? Where do I submit my script? :)


That is great. And yes it is 1000% better than monotone/targetlady sketches they have been doing over and over and over again.

[busyba]

I had a dream last night that only Entourage fans will get it or possibly think it's funny.

Barak Obama's choice for Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is the brother of Ari Emanuel, the Hollywood agent who was the inspiration for Ari Gold. (True story, if you didn't know.) They supposedly have very similar personalities. For some reason, this fascinates me and I guess it led me to think of the following in a dream or when half-awake. Think of this as an extended SNL sketch. A digital short, perhaps:

Jeremy Piven is the host and plays both Ari Gold and his brother Rahm Gold, who just got the gig as President Obama's Chief of Staff. The sketch is about the life of Rahm Gold in the White House, and the point of the sketch is that his life is very similar to Ari's.

Both have gay Asian assistants (Lloyd/Boyd), who help them tremendously but they verbally abuse. Rahm is constantly getting in trouble for the way he speaks to Boyd, which doesn't fly so well in the White House.

Obama is a lot like Vinnie Chase. He looks like a President and acts like a President, but some people question whether he has the goods to deliver. At heart, Barak is a decent guy, but sometimes the weight of his responsibilities get him down. He needs Rahm to keep him focused and keep up his confidence, though things always seem to work out for Barak in the end.

Both Ari and Rahm have wives played by Perrey Reeves. Her purpose is to show that Ari/Rahm do in fact defer to someone, and also to occasionally be shown getting dressed/undressed so we get a gratuitous shot of her hot body.

Obama has a manager "G," who is also his best friend. G is played by Verne Troyer. Rahm and G do not get along.

Obama's older brother, John, lives with them in the White House. John's nickname is "Johnny Politics." John was once a rising star city councilman, but has since lost several bids to be water commissioner in a rural community in campaigns financed by his brother.

That's all I remember. It's better than the monotone-talking guy and the Target lady on SNL, right? Where do I submit my script? :)

Write in a Michelle Obama character played by the Target Lady and you have a green light. :)