UFC 91 Lesnar vs Couture

[packerfan]

I've never purchased a pay per view event, but I'm tempted to do so for this fight. It seems like it could be a big waste of money if it ends in less than a couple minutes. Anyone know if the fight will be available the next morning on youtube?

[Fool Me Twice]

Ahm skeered fer Randy! That chemically enhanced beast is one large individual. (I've never failed a drug test!) I guess it'll be clear in the first minute whether Randy is going to win. If Lesnar can't put Couture away early, he's in big trouble, I would think, or hope.

Youtubes are removed quickly, but you might find them there afterward if you're quicker.

[ClutchBrake]

I've never purchased a pay per view event, but I'm tempted to do so for this fight. It seems like it could be a big waste of money if it ends in less than a couple minutes. Anyone know if the fight will be available the next morning on youtube?

There's more than one fight tonight. Support the sport, buy the card. :)

[Snappa77]

Wow. They are showing almost the ENTIRE undercard.

[Fool Me Twice]

I'm sick. I don't like Lesnar, but man is he big and strong and fast. Who's going to beat him?

[pjenkins]

great fights, Lesnar is a beast, love Couture's speech "that's one big summabitch"... :)

[kcarl75]

This was a great card. I was really impressed with Dustin Hazelett. I'd like to see A. Silva vs. Demian Maia sometime soon. Lesner is a beast.

Lesner or Couture vs. Fedor will be exciting.

[Jebberwocky!]

I loved watching Kenny Florian win, he kind of looks like Ben Stiller :D and Joe Stevenson is no easy win.

Overall, almost every fight ended without the need for the judge's having to be involved and that's a good thing.

[Kamakzie]

Somehow I don't expect Lesnar to be champ very long but he is a hoss.

[Jebberwocky!]

why?

[Kamakzie]

why?

I just think he has a limited skill set at this time.

[Fool Me Twice]

Yeah, but he's big enough that it doesn't seem to matter. Fedor could handle him, but he's not in the UFC. Gonzaga couldn't handle Randy, so forget about Lesnar. Mir probably won't have that footlock there next time. I don't know who's going to stop him right now.

[Jebberwocky!]

I've never purchased a pay per view event, but I'm tempted to do so for this fight. It seems like it could be a big waste of money if it ends in less than a couple minutes. Anyone know if the fight will be available the next morning on youtube?

here (http://www.myvideofight.com/video/ufc/couture-vs-lesnar-video/index.html)

[Jebberwocky!]

one thing we saw was Brock taking a punch to the head - it looked like he handled it pretty well. I couldn't tell, was it a knee or fist that caused the cut on his eye? Give The Natural credit, I just think he was fighting an uphill battle.

In a game where anyone can taste defeat with a well timed strike, I don't see Brock losing any time soon but you never know.

[Fool Me Twice]

I was disappointed in how quickly Quarry was taken down and submitted. Florian looked great. I want to see more of Hazelett.

[Kamakzie]

Brock is going to need to get into better cardio shape, because he seems to suck wind in short order.

[Fool Me Twice]

I don't think he can get in better cardio shape. I think that's his peak. On the plus side, he's really really big.

[packerfan]

On the plus side, he's really really big.

....and his wife is hot!

[Jebberwocky!]

Assuming a lot of viewers dropped in to watch just because of Brock - they sure got a treat - arguably one the best UFC's overall in a long time.

Can't hurt to bring in more fans.

[KungFuCow]

Big Nog might beat Brock.. I think he's about the only guy in the UFC right now that could do it. In the past he's been able to take a beating and pull out a submission win. CroCop and Bob Sapp come to mind. Only thing is.. Brock is really good at keeping dominant position and Nog doesn't have great wrestling. With Brock's base, it's going to be tough to hit a sweep on him.

Mir would lose in a rematch. We've seen great restraint from Brock after that fight. I think he learned a lesson there.

Brock's just gonna keep getting better and better too.. it should be interesting to see how his next fight goes.

[Philosofy]

I'm not impressed with the UFC's heavyweight division. The champ was 45 years old! Not to take anything away from Randy, he's great, but he's 45!!! There should have been somebody better than that! And Lesnar is a beast, but he doesn't have all around skills. How did he get the title shot before Mir, because Mir beat Lesnar? Its all about marketing, I guess. The only exciting fighter I want to see is Nog, but he's been on hold coaching the Ultimate Fighter with Mir. Compared to other UFC divisions, and the lighter weights in WEC, the heavyweight division is kind of weak.

[Fool Me Twice]

Nog doesn't have great wrestling.

He wanted to be your friend, but now you say this behind his back? You're dead to him!

[pjenkins]

will Kimbo and the other EliteXC heavyweights be coming to the UFC or going to Affliction? And where is Fedor signed? Has the UFC ever considered going after him?

[EvilMidniteBombr]

That was a great fight! I was surprised to see Lesnar win but I was rooting for him. I just didn't think that he had the skills to beat Couture. Turns out that I was wrong. It was a battle. Neither fighter really seemed to dominate. But once Lesnar started pounding Randy in the 2nd round, I knew it was going to end soon.

Brock is going to need to get into better cardio shape, because he seems to suck wind in short order.
I noticed that too. At the end of the first round, Brock was breathing pretty hard. To be fair, Couture was suckin' wind too.

[The Flush]

This was the first time I've ordered the PPV; I usually grab a torrent the next day. The fighters made sure I got my money's worth.

What about Jeremy Stephen's uppercut? WOW!

The UFC really could not lose with the heavyweight fight. Either way they get a popular champion. I would love to see Brock vs Fedor after Brock gets a few more fights under his belt.

[KungFuCow]

I'm not impressed with the UFC's heavyweight division. The champ was 45 years old! Not to take anything away from Randy, he's great, but he's 45!!! There should have been somebody better than that! And Lesnar is a beast, but he doesn't have all around skills. How did he get the title shot before Mir, because Mir beat Lesnar? Its all about marketing, I guess. The only exciting fighter I want to see is Nog, but he's been on hold coaching the Ultimate Fighter with Mir. Compared to other UFC divisions, and the lighter weights in WEC, the heavyweight division is kind of weak.

Look at the HW rankings.. other than Fedor and Josh Barnett, the UFC has or had at one point all the top HW's. Also, Brock would crush all the HWs in the top 10 that arent in the UFC except Fedor and Josh.. and the odds of ever seeing either one of them in the octagon are slim to none, what with Fedor having the crazy management and Josh's former steroid scandal. Plus Josh would rather do pro wrestling in Japan than MMA it seems.

I mean seriously, how long would CroCop last with Brock? He wouldnt make it out of the first round. Same with AA.. he would get steamrolled. He's a hell of a striker but he's be on his back so fast he wouldnt know what happened.

I really dont know if Brock is good or bad for the sport but I know his sheer size alone is going to present some real problems to almost every HW out there. Randy never had him in a bad position and by contrast, Randy manhandled Tim Sylvia, who has about as much bulk as Brock and is actually a lot taller.

[pjenkins]

Isn't Lesnar pretty young/green by MMA standards as well? I mean he's going to get better if he continues working like he has won't he?

[bengalfreak]

These fights end waaay too quickly. I haven't seen a MMA fight go the distance yet.

[ClutchBrake]

That was one of the best nights of fights I've seen in a LONG time. One decision in 9 fights, and the fight that did go to a decision was Fight of the Night!

I'll also give props to the UFC for showing us all 9 fights. :up:

[Jebberwocky!]

That was one of the best nights of fights I've seen in a LONG time. One decision in 9 fights, and the fight that did go to a decision was Fight of the Night!

I'll also give props to the UFC for showing us all 9 fights. :up:

they had to show all the fights - otherwise the show would have ended early!

Much better show than that last POS you paid to go see ;)

[ClutchBrake]

they had to show all the fights - otherwise the show would have ended early!

Much better show than that last POS you paid to go see ;)

The great part was that they showed us two incredible fights AFTER the main event. The Bocek/Robinson and Gurgel/Riley matchups. The Bocek/Robinson fight was great and went almost the entire three rounds. The Gurgel/Riley fight was a three round war that won Fight of the Night. Very glad that they aired them rather than making people pay for them at UFC.com or holding on to them for a UFC Unleashed.

Good God no kidding about it being better than UFC 90. I got WAY more for my $60 last night than I did for my $640 at UFC 90!

[Jebberwocky!]

The great part was that they showed us two incredible fights AFTER the main event. The Bocek/Robinson and Gurgel/Riley matchups. The Bocek/Robinson fight was great and went almost the entire three rounds. The Gurgel/Riley fight was a three round war that won Fight of the Night. Very glad that they aired them rather than making people pay for them at UFC.com or holding on to them for a UFC Unleashed.

Good God no kidding about it being better than UFC 90. I got WAY more for my $60 last night than I did for my $640 at UFC 90!

you still spent $60 more than I did :D

[aRKade]

I'm not impressed with the UFC's heavyweight division. The champ was 45 years old! Not to take anything away from Randy, he's great, but he's 45!!! There should have been somebody better than that! And Lesnar is a beast, but he doesn't have all around skills. How did he get the title shot before Mir, because Mir beat Lesnar? Its all about marketing, I guess. The only exciting fighter I want to see is Nog, but he's been on hold coaching the Ultimate Fighter with Mir. Compared to other UFC divisions, and the lighter weights in WEC, the heavyweight division is kind of weak.

From what I understand Nogueira is defending his "interim" Heavyweight belt against Mir in the next pay-per-view. The winner of that fight will then take on Lesnar so they can unify the UFC Heavyweight championship. So technically Lesnar is getting his title shot at pretty much the same time as Mir.

Kind of confusing but that is what happens when the champion - Couture - leaves with the belt for over a year.

[TAsunder]

It's not just his size, but his athleticism. Lesnar is a great athlete. Doesn't he run with a log on his back for cardio or something like that?

[phodg]

I think Lesnar will gas out if anyone can take him past 2 rounds, though. His size is his greatest asset but that's a lot of weight to lug around. I think he'll struggle against Nog or Mir, whichever one of them wins. And don't expect Fedor in the UFC any time soon, if ever. His purse is way more than Dana likes paying.
They need a new season of the Ultimate Fighter using just heavyweights. The division's too thin compared to the lighter weights.

[ClutchBrake]

I think Lesnar will gas out if anyone can take him past 2 rounds, though. His size is his greatest asset but that's a lot of weight to lug around. I think he'll struggle against Nog or Mir, whichever one of them wins. And don't expect Fedor in the UFC any time soon, if ever. His purse is way more than Dana likes paying.
They need a new season of the Ultimate Fighter using just heavyweights. The division's too thin compared to the lighter weights.

Well, Lesnar did go three rounds with Herring. But he didn't have to work so much as Herring was hurt.

Money wasn't the primary issue with Fedor and the UFC. The issue was strict UFC contracts and laughable requests Fedor's manager was asking of the UFC.

[pjenkins]

The issue was strict UFC contracts and laughable requests Fedor's manager was asking of the UFC.

like only red jelly beans or what?

[UTV2TiVo]

I think the UFC balked at terms related to letting Fedor fight outside of the UFC whenever he wanted. I don't think the UFC signs anything but exclusive contracts.

[ClutchBrake]

like only red jelly beans or what?

Like the UFC co-promoting events with his (meaning Vadim Finklestein, Fedor's manager) M-1 promotion, building a complex in Russia, requiring a bunch of other Red Devil fighters being signed along with Fedor, etc. Fedor really wants to be able to fight with multiple organizations as well as Sambo tournaments. The UFC doesn't allow fighters to fight anywhere else without their permission (totally agree with them on that).

Not that the UFC are saints or anything. Their contracts are very strict. But they can also be very lucrative. It's a shame we likely won't ever see Fedor in the UFC. Right now though the only person I care to see him fight isn't a UFC fighter anymore anyway, Josh Barnett. If Lesnar sticks with it a couple more years I'd love to see him fight Fedor. Even Fedor has said he'd like to face Lesnar after he has had a couple more years to develop.

We'll see what happens in the HW division over the next couple of years. There are guys that could potentially break the mold of the HW division coming up right now. We'll see if any of them pan out.

[pjenkins]

btw ClutchBrake, are you competing in MMA at all yet?

[Ment]

The biggest poison pill in the Fedor - UFC contract proposals is that Fedor could never leave the UFC as undefeated champion. Even if Fedor relented on bringing his team-mates into the UFC, competing in Sambo in Russia; he would never sign a contract where he would have to lose in order to leave.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

Well, Lesnar did go three rounds with Herring. But he didn't have to work so much as Herring was hurt.I'm glad you said that. I was about to. Herring was not much of a test for Lesnar. Definitely not on the level of Couture. I don't know why it went the distance, though. Other than Lesnar being overly cautious as to not get caught in a submission like he did with Mir.

[The Flush]

Who is Lesnar's BJJ coach? I could see him training with the loser of the Mir/Nogeuera fight or maybe even Jeff Monson in prep for his first title defense.

[Jebberwocky!]

Chuck's last fight in the UFC? Don't see him winning this one.

Anderson Silva Superfight with Chuck Liddell at UFC 95 Looking Like a Real Possibility
(http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/11/17/anderson-silva-superfight-with-chuck-liddell-at-ufc-95-looking-like-a-real-possibility/)
Britain’s The Sun confirmed that the UFC is headed back to London for UFC 95 in February, and they’re adding weight to the rumor that it might have Anderson Silva vs. Chuck Liddell as its main event.

SunSport understands Middleweight champion Anderson Silva, 33, has been asked to appear on the card, with a potential bout with light heavyweight star Chuck Liddell already being mooted.

Dana White said Silva was “flipping out” about the negative response from fans and media types to his performance against Patrick Cote at UFC 90. Going up a weight class to pummel a former champ might be enough to silence those critics for good. The bout also has enough star power and intersecting story lines to make it a huge draw.

[ClutchBrake]

Meh, I'd rather see Couture vs. Liddell 4 than Anderson vs. Liddell. Chuck has already lost 3 of his last 4.

I understand where Anderson is coming from, Liddell is still a big name and probably the most recognizable star in the UFC. It seems like a wasted fight but I suppose when you've got a guy like Anderson you need to keep him happy so you don't end up with another Anderson vs. Cote (I want my damn money back!).

[Jebberwocky!]

Meh, I'd rather see Couture vs. Liddell 4 than Anderson vs. Liddell. Chuck has already lost 3 of his last 4.

I understand where Anderson is coming from, Liddell is still a big name and probably the most recognizable star in the UFC. It seems like a wasted fight but I suppose when you've got a guy like Anderson you need to keep him happy so you don't end up with another Anderson vs. Cote (I want my damn money back!).

Not me, been there, done that three times already.

I'm always going to enjoy watching Chuck get a beatdown (not reason why, just do) and I think he would get one from Anderson.

Would you rather see Tito vs. Anderson :)

Either guy has the ability to draw fans (I think Tito vs. Chuck was the top PPV seller in UFC history)

[ClutchBrake]

Would you rather see Tito vs. Anderson :)


I don't know, really. I'm sure you meant that as a joke but when facing Anderson I'm not sure I wouldn't rather see Tito than Chuck.

Poor Tito (not really). He thought leaving the UFC would make him a bigger star only to see everything crumble around him. Now he is saying that he might be coming back to the UFC. We'll see if Affliction picks him up. I think his price is too high for them. We'll see how the 1/24 show goes for Affliction. If it doesn't do well you can count on Tito begging Lorenzo for a chance to get back in the UFC. If he does come back he needs to check his ego at the door (not going to happen).

[Jebberwocky!]

I don't know, really. I'm sure you meant that as a joke but when facing Anderson I'm not sure I wouldn't rather see Tito than Chuck.

Poor Tito (not really). He thought leaving the UFC would make him a bigger star only to see everything crumble around him. Now he is saying that he might be coming back to the UFC. We'll see if Affliction picks him up. I think his price is too high for them. We'll see how the 1/24 show goes for Affliction. If it doesn't do well you can count on Tito begging Lorenzo for a chance to get back in the UFC. If he does come back he needs to check his ego at the door (not going to happen).

timing is everything LOL - I remember Tito saying an announcement was forthcoming about him signing w/ Elite - and they went belly up a week later.

Say what you want about Tito, you can't argue that he made a ton of $$$ for the UFC. I always enjoyed his persona - too bad he didn't keep up with the changing MMA world. His timing was good when he started MMA - wasn't he one of the first to fight well over the weight limit by cutting weight and then re-hydrating?

[ClutchBrake]

timing is everything LOL - I remember Tito saying an announcement was forthcoming about him signing w/ Elite - and they went belly up a week later.

Say what you want about Tito, you can't argue that he made a ton of $$$ for the UFC. I always enjoyed his persona - too bad he didn't keep up with the changing MMA world. His timing was good when he started MMA - wasn't he one of the first to fight well over the weight limit by cutting weight and then re-hydrating?

And a month before that he was supposed to be announcing a groundbreaking contract with another company (presumably Affliction). Now he is back to the Affliction/UFC banter.

Honestly I'd like to see Tito back in the UFC for the simple reason you mentioned, he makes money for the UFC. I just get tired of listening to his "woe is me, I'm being treated so poorly" routine. He made MILLIONS fighting in the UFC. And you can pile that on top of the millions he has made as a result of his affiliation with the UFC.

He had back surgery recently and will be out for probably another six months. Supposedly it is going to make him a new fighter. But that is only going to happen if he does what Matt Hughes and Liddell have refused to do, find new trainers and evolve.

If he does come back he needs to cut the crap with Dana White.

[goblue97]

will Kimbo and the other EliteXC heavyweights be coming to the UFC or going to Affliction? And where is Fedor signed? Has the UFC ever considered going after him?
I think the Fedor issue has been addressed but here's the scoop on Kimbo. Dana White has little to no respect for the guy. He has publicly offered him a spot on a future season of The Ultimate Fighter though if he ever wants to join the UFC. This is the same Dana White that allowed a "streetfighter" named Sean Gannon to fight in the UFC. Gannon is known as the only guy to beat Kimbo in a streetfight.

[UTV2TiVo]

I think the Fedor issue has been addressed but here's the scoop on Kimbo. Dana White has little to no respect for the guy. He has publicly offered him a spot on a future season of The Ultimate Fighter though if he ever wants to join the UFC. This is the same Dana White that allowed a "streetfighter" named Sean Gannon to fight in the UFC. Gannon is known as the only guy to beat Kimbo in a streetfight.

Gannon wasn't a street fighter. He was a cop who challenged Kimbo to fight a 'real' fighter. Their fight wasn't a sanctioned event but it was in a gym on mats, not on the street (or in a backyard like Kimbo's other fights at the time).
Although Gannon didn't have the skills to compete in the UFC he was at the time the closest Kimbo ever came to an MMA practitioner.