NBC cancels two shows....so far.

[Alfer]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/11/breaking-nbc-ax.html?cnn=yes

Neither really interested me.


For those not clicking...it was Lipstick Jungle and My Own Worst Enemy

[Graymalkin]

I got no beef with them canceling MOWE.

Too bad about Lipstick Jungle, though -- some nice eye candy in there. Let's get Lindsay Price on another show, stat!

[DougF]

My wife will be disappointed. She really likes Lipstick Jungle. Not to surprising, though, given it's recent move to Fridays.

[Magister]

I saved MOWE but never got a chance to watch it, I was just too busy. Now I can just delete them.

[ClutchBrake]

That sucks. I was enjoying the heck out of My Own Worst Enemy. So was my girlfriend.

[AccidenT]

For a minute I was afraid one would be Life.

Now I'm relieved. :)

[MegaHertz67]

That's why I don't run to watch some new shows. I have all of Enemy recorded, but did not watch because I wasn't sure if it would find an audience and I didn't want to get caught up in a plot to be left hanging when the ax came.

It happened to me on Invasion, and it pissed me off so much. :mad:

[Zevida]

Oh no! I really enjoyed the My Own Worse Enemy premiere and was saving up the other episodes for when I had a chance to catch up. Bummer!

[NatasNJ]

I was just about to start recording MOWE shows but glad I didn't. Got burnt on so many shows over past 2 seasons I just gave up on most new shows on the major networks. FX has had some solid shows so far. Sticking with them.

[catcard]

I was really enjoying My Own Worst Enemy - NBC sucks! :mad:

[TonyTheTiger]

I was looking forward to MOWE. I have them all on the DVR. I guess they're going to be gone unwatched.

[catcard]

I guess I should just stop watching TV - I'll just wait to see if a series lasts long enough to produce a DVD then watch it then...

[ozzman73]

Oh no!...I really enjoyed MOWE...

Seems like star power = cancellation

[pkscout]

Crap. I liked My Own Worst Enemy. Let's see, keep Knight Rider, cancel MOWE. I think MOWE should be NBC's new tag line.

[Jeeters]

I'll probably still watch the MOWE from this week I haven't gotten to, as well as any others in the can they opt to to air... it's not *that* heavily serialized of a show and I handle it just disappearing without any 'closure'.

[Jeeters]

It happened to me on Invasion, and it pissed me off so much. :mad:Boy, did that ever suck, especially with that ending scene in the last aired episode. :(

[IJustLikeTivo]

I got no beef with them canceling MOWE.

Too bad about Lipstick Jungle, though -- some nice eye candy in there. Let's get Lindsay Price on another show, stat!

Sigh. Lovely to look at......

Ditto on Lindsay and I have to save Kim Raver never looked better. Interesting show when Brooke is the least attractive. Still, it was doomed when they moved to Friday.

MOWE deserved to die.

[jlb]

Both my wife and I really enjoy LJ.

BIH NBC!!!!!!!!

[TriBruin]

I'll probably still watch the MOWE from this week I haven't gotten to, as well as any others in the can they opt to to air... it's not *that* heavily serialized of a show and I handle it just disappearing without any 'closure'.


Without spoiling this week too much, I wonder if you feel the same about "closure" after this weeks episode?

Let me just say, they gave us a way to get closure, I hope they use it.

[edc]

I got no beef with them canceling MOWE.

Too bad about Lipstick Jungle, though -- some nice eye candy in there. Let's get Lindsay Price on another show, stat!

Maybe a half-hour sitcom where she plays a promiscuous bisexual in skimpy outfits? ...oh, wait ;)

[DevdogAZ]

I was excited for MOWE when I first heard about it and set an SP as soon as it was in the guide data. However, when I saw what the ratings were for the premiere, I knew it wouldn't last, as it had about half the viewers of the premiere of Studio 60 and the premiere of Journeyman, both of which didn't make it in the same timeslot. I've got them all saved up, but now I know there's no point in watching and I'll get rid of them.

It's looking more and more like the cable networks, that don't have such high ratings expectations, are the places where quality TV will be allowed to find its niche and flourish. The broadcast networks simply require too many viewers too fast for a good, smart show to develop a following.

[TIVOSciolist]

Interesting show when Brooke is the least attractive.

Last season's Project Runway had the contestants designing an outfit for Brooke Shield's character that she was going to wear. Anyone know whether the outfit made it on air before the cancellation?

[unicorngoddess]

There should be an anti-NBC. A network that picks up all the shows that NBC dumps. Then when that Network gets better than NBC, NBC will be left scratching their heads going, "I don't get it."

Are there even REAL people in charge of making decisions at NBC???

[Kamakzie]

There should be an anti-NBC. A network that picks up all the shows that NBC dumps. Then when that Network gets better than NBC, NBC will be left scratching their heads going, "I don't get it."

Are there even REAL people in charge of making decisions at NBC???

Since Knight Rider got picked up for a full season order I'm guessing a horny teen executive? :p

[IJustLikeTivo]

Since Knight Rider got picked up for a full season order I'm guessing a horny TWEEN executive? :p

FYP.

[Gunnyman]

Is Brandon Tartikoff running NBC again?
More brainless crap renewed while unteresting shows like MOWE get canned.
Sad.

[BriGuy20]

I'm guessing it'll be easier to syndicate Knight Rider than Lipstick Jungle. Foreign audiences seem to go for our low-quality shows: Baywatch, CSI Miami, etc.

That's the only reason I can think of that one wouldn't want to totally scrap it. Of the few minutes I've been able to bear watching it, the dialogue quality seems a step below syndicated programming.

[ruexp67]

BIH NBC

I like MOWE. :(

[tewcewl]

Someone brought up Invasion in this thread. Wasn't that show finalized by the time the last episode came along? I thought it had one full season to finish its story.

[unicorngoddess]

I think they let it finish the season off, but since the episodes were already written and produced before the ax came down, I don't think there was any closure.

[DevdogAZ]

I'm guessing it'll be easier to syndicate Knight Rider than Lipstick Jungle. Foreign audiences seem to go for our low-quality shows: Baywatch, CSI Miami, etc.

That's the only reason I can think of that one wouldn't want to totally scrap it. Of the few minutes I've been able to bear watching it, the dialogue quality seems a step below syndicated programming.
But if they're retooling KR during its first season, is there really any hope that it will survive long enough to be syndicated? I know the landscape is changing and it doesn't require the magic 100 eps anymore, but I'd think it would require at least two successful seasons, and I just don't envision that for KR.

[Jon J]

I got tired of MOWE after two episodes and my wife quit LJ after only one. In our case NBC made the right call.

Just put my Neilsen books in the mail and neither show was in either. ;)

[tivogurl]

The quick cancellation of My Own Worst Enemy bodes ill for Dollhouse, which bears a similar premise.

[kjnorman]

I was liking My Own Worst Enemy, so that is a shame.

Still, I am trying to ween myself away from the TV to do other things in the evening so one less show to watch is good....

[jlb]

The quick cancellation of My Own Worst Enemy bodes ill for Dollhouse, which bears a similar premise.

But MOWE is on NBC and dollhouse is on Fox......er....oh wait........BIHF!

[pkscout]

There should be an anti-NBC. A network that picks up all the shows that NBC dumps. Then when that Network gets better than NBC, NBC will be left scratching their heads going, "I don't get it."

Are there even REAL people in charge of making decisions at NBC???

There is I think. It's called CBS. CBS picked up JAG after NBC canceled it, ran it for almost a decade, and spun NCIS off from it. Not too bad for a NBC reject.

[unicorngoddess]

Dear CBS,

Following your success of picking up JAG after it was cancled by NBC, could you please consider picking up Journeyman. Please see attached box of rice-a-roni for your consideration.

Sincerely,
NBC H8ER

[Michael S]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised about MOWE. I didn't start watching yet since I should have known it would suffer the same fate as Journeyman did.

[Bierboy]

Someone brought up Invasion in this thread. Wasn't that show finalized by the time the last episode came along? I thought it had one full season to finish its story.
I think they let it finish the season off, but since the episodes were already written and produced before the ax came down, I don't think there was any closure.
That is correct; there was no "full season" to bring closure to Invasion...it lasted only one season.

[alpacaboy]

I don't get it. If you have MOWE stacked up on the DVR, why would you avoid watching it just because the series got canceled? I can understand if you tried it and don't like the series yourself, but just because it got canceled I don't get.

I had a few episodes of "The Ex List" on the DVR when I found out it was canceled. I actually kind of like knowing I have the complete set. I probably won't watch Lost or Heroes again until they have their series finales...

[innocentfreak]

Dear CBS,

Following your success of picking up JAG after it was cancled by NBC, could you please consider picking up Journeyman. Please see attached box of rice-a-roni for your consideration.

Sincerely,
NBC H8ER

Unfortunately the lead is now on Gray's Anatomy so I don't see that happening.

The thing that really gets me is in this day and age of so many channels and more and more people with DVRs why haven't they expanded the prime time slots. I really wish the networks would stop considering 4 and 5 million viewers low ratings. There is obviously an audience.

I would love to see a network debut that picks up canceled series such as these and keep them alive even if it is a pay network like HBO. I would gladly pay to keep watching shows like these instead of the crap they run more and more.

[mattack]

Is Brandon Tartikoff running NBC again?


Huh? Wasn't he (RIP) the one who kept stuff like Cheers (and Seinfeld?) on while it was low rated, so they could live long enough to become highly rated?

[scooterboy]

I don't get it. If you have MOWE stacked up on the DVR, why would you avoid watching it just because the series got canceled? I can understand if you tried it and don't like the series yourself, but just because it got canceled I don't get.

+1

I've never understood this either. Assuming it was recorded because it looked good, one could very well enjoy the episodes even though it's been canceled.

[bootsy]

+1

I've never understood this either. Assuming it was recorded because it looked good, one could very well enjoy the episodes even though it's been canceled.

I just started watching my episodes. I'll watch what i have and then be bummed out...:(

[pkscout]

I don't get it. If you have MOWE stacked up on the DVR, why would you avoid watching it just because the series got canceled? I can understand if you tried it and don't like the series yourself, but just because it got canceled I don't get.

It really depends on how they end the series. I'm watching it now, but I'll probably hold the rest of the episodes until I find out if they had a chance to write some closure to it. Or more specifically, I don't want to watch it if they're going to end it in a cliff hanger. I suspect some folks just don't want to invest any of their limited time on something they know isn't going to become an ongoing experience.

[JLucPicard]

+1

I've never understood this either. Assuming it was recorded because it looked good, one could very well enjoy the episodes even though it's been canceled.
There have been a couple of shows that I did this with. After having watched Threshold, Drive and several like them, getting to like it, then having it cancelled, I have come to now record new shows that look interesting and let them pile up. Then if it gets cancelled (like Journeyman), I may delete the episodes unwatched.

There are some I would just as soon not get invested in then get upset when they are cancelled. I'd rather just miss out on the experience and not have to stew over their cancellation.

[DevdogAZ]

I don't get it. If you have MOWE stacked up on the DVR, why would you avoid watching it just because the series got canceled? I can understand if you tried it and don't like the series yourself, but just because it got canceled I don't get.

I had a few episodes of "The Ex List" on the DVR when I found out it was canceled. I actually kind of like knowing I have the complete set. I probably won't watch Lost or Heroes again until they have their series finales...
I don't want to invest my time and energy into watching a show that I already know isn't going to finish telling the story. If I knew going in that it were a 7 episode season and that's all it was planned to be, I'd be thrilled. I wish they'd do more of those. But if I know it was intended to be a full season and got canceled after 4-5 episodes, that's like reading the first several chapters of a book and then finding out that the rest of the book was never written and you'll never know how it ends.

[jeff125va]

Sigh. Lovely to look at......

Ditto on Lindsay and I have to save Kim Raver never looked better. Interesting show when Brooke is the least attractive. Still, it was doomed when they moved to Friday.

MOWE deserved to die.

I've never watched the show, but I often watch and re-watch the thing at the end of the previews when they're all sitting there with their hands all over each other. And yes, I never thought of Kim Raver as hot when she was on 24. It sorta seemed like they de-hottified the women on that show, but that's not really the case when I think of Kim Bauer, Naked Mandy, Michelle, etc.

I did like MOWE though, bummed about that.

[DreadPirateRob]

I don't want to invest my time and energy into watching a show that I already know isn't going to finish telling the story. If I knew going in that it were a 7 episode season and that's all it was planned to be, I'd be thrilled. I wish they'd do more of those. But if I know it was intended to be a full season and got canceled after 4-5 episodes, that's like reading the first several chapters of a book and then finding out that the rest of the book was never written and you'll never know how it ends.

+1

Firefly is still painful to watch (as brilliant as it is) because there is a palpable sense of loss when you finish the last DVD and know that there are no more episodes coming, even though there are hundred of stories left to be told. But at least you get 14 episodes of the show, so there is some depth there.

I had stacked up episodes of MOWE precisely for the reason DevdogAZ suggested, and I deleted them all last night.

[LlamaLarry]

Hmm, dang it! The wife and I enjoyed Lipstick Jungle, but yeah, when it moved to Friday it was clear they were done. Like others, I was always amused that Brooke had somehow become the least attractive woman on the show.

Now to decide what to do with all the episodes of MOWE that I have on the DVR...

Should I free the space and delete, thus saving the BIH NBC? Or is it worth watching anyway?

[jlb]

Dear CBS,

Following your success of picking up JAG after it was cancled by NBC, could you please consider picking up Journeyman. Please see attached box of rice-a-roni for your consideration.

Sincerely,
NBC H8ER

I guess we should ask for Dollhouse too.....seeing as Fox will never give it the chance it deserves......

Unfortunately the lead is now on Gray's Anatomy so I don't see that happening.

......

Come on now.....right after fiming a Grey's scene, he could travel back in time 8 hours so he could film his Journeyman scenes. Come on.....get with the program..... ;)

[unicorngoddess]

Then if it gets cancelled (like Journeyman), I may delete the episodes unwatched.


If you deleted Journeyman unwatched, you REALLY missed out. That show ROCKED AND had closure...or at least as much as you could get. That show had the benifit of knowing there was a strike ahead so got to finish the last episode prestrike knowing there was a chance it would never come back.

[JLucPicard]

I understand that, but I also saved myself all the angst that others now feel that it was cancelled - pick your poison, I guess.

[marrone]

Am disappointed about LJ. Doesn't look like many others are, though.
I didn't even know it was on Fridays now. That's what a Tivo does, I suppose. But most shows that go on Friday nights are doomed...they should keep Fridays to reruns.

LJ wasn't one of my "must watch" shows, but it's one I still liked, and actually enjoyed with my wife. We don't agree on too many shows!

And yeah, they never did show Brooke as terribly attractive.

-Mike

[ronsch]

I don't want to invest my time and energy into watching a show that I already know isn't going to finish telling the story. If I knew going in that it were a 7 episode season and that's all it was planned to be, I'd be thrilled. I wish they'd do more of those. But if I know it was intended to be a full season and got canceled after 4-5 episodes, that's like reading the first several chapters of a book and then finding out that the rest of the book was never written and you'll never know how it ends.

+1

Besides, I had to make a special exception to get the pilot episode and forgot to adjust the SP on one of my TiVos to override both Boston legal and CSI: Miami. Ergo, I have no other episodes recorded. :o

Not to mention (although I will;)) that my wife and I are still back in late April watching our regular network shows.

[scooterboy]

To each their own I guess. Personally, I like the journey as much as the destination. That's why I've never been bothered by ongoing unanswered questions in shows like Lost and Heroes. I like the ride as much as the "getting answers" part.

And Firefly IS a perfect example. If I had saved all of those episodes then deleted them unwatched just because it got canceled, I would have missed out on some very good television.

I also enjoyed Journeyman as long as it was on. And now My Own Worst Enemy.

Of course I would've preferred that these shows didn't get canceled, but I'm glad I saw what I did. The bitterness of cancellation doesn't make the episodes any less than what they were. Just fewer of them.

[getreal]

I was excited for MOWE when I first heard about it and set an SP as soon as it was in the guide data. ... I've got them all saved up, but now I know there's no point in watching and I'll get rid of them.

MOWE is still a good show with stellar acting by Christian Slater. I don't understand why people would delete shows they were looking forward to watching. Treat it like pulp fiction. Just enjoy it for what it is. Especially if it's something that appeals to you. If you know that the show will end, then you don't have to get all emotionally attached to it.

Also, after networks pour so much $$$ into shows and then cancel them quickly, why don't they just post them all on the internet where everybody (not just Americans) can watch them. Their website advertisers will get more exposure and that's really what it all boils down to, doesn't it?

:confused:

[DevdogAZ]

To each their own I guess. Personally, I like the journey as much as the destination. That's why I've never been bothered by ongoing unanswered questions in shows like Lost and Heroes. I like the ride as much as the "getting answers" part.

And Firefly IS a perfect example. If I had saved all of those episodes then deleted them unwatched just because it got canceled, I would have missed out on some very good television.

I also enjoyed Journeyman as long as it was on. And now My Own Worst Enemy.

Of course I would've preferred that these shows didn't get canceled, but I'm glad I saw what I did. The bitterness of cancellation doesn't make the episodes any less than what they were. Just fewer of them.
I've enjoyed shows after they were canceled prematurely, such as Firefly and Freaks and Geeks. However, I watched those shows after I read many, many glowing reviews and knew that there was something there worth watching, even though it's unfinished. I'm glad I watched Journeyman and Traveler from the start.

With MOWE, I'm just not that excited to start watching it knowing that it's not going anywhere. If a year from now people are still talking about how good it was and what a travesty it was that it got the axe, I'll find it and check it out. But something tells me that's not likely to be the case.

[madscientist]

I'm definitely not begrudging anyone their use of TV (or not) time. I just want to point out that if everyone starts just saving up all serialized shows and waiting to see if they catch on before watching them... we'll never have any more serialized shows. I, too, enjoy the show while it's on and shake my fist, then shrug and move on if it gets canceled too soon. Even in real life you often don't get to know the real end of the story.

[pkscout]

I'm definitely not begrudging anyone their use of TV (or not) time. I just want to point out that if everyone starts just saving up all serialized shows and waiting to see if they catch on before watching them... we'll never have any more serialized shows. I, too, enjoy the show while it's on and shake my fist, then shrug and move on if it gets canceled too soon. Even in real life you often don't get to know the real end of the story.

I'm not convinced there is any causal relationship between what DVR viewers do and do not watch and what the networks do. Sure, Neilson is starting to make some adjustments for time shifted viewing, but I think it's only if you watch it within like 48 hours. We often don't watch anything all week and then catch up on the weekend. So whether I watch the show Saturday or queue it up for a month, it doesn't count either way.

[nhaigh]

I'm definitely not begrudging anyone their use of TV (or not) time. I just want to point out that if everyone starts just saving up all serialized shows and waiting to see if they catch on before watching them... we'll never have any more serialized shows. I, too, enjoy the show while it's on and shake my fist, then shrug and move on if it gets canceled too soon. Even in real life you often don't get to know the real end of the story.

I'm sure this is a self perpetuating problem. I for one am so sick of getting into a new show and suffering its cancellation. I still have every episode of LJ unwatched and need to decide if I will and the same goes for MOWE and a few others.

[DeathRider]

+1

Firefly is still painful to watch (as brilliant as it is) because there is a palpable sense of loss when you finish the last DVD and know that there are no more episodes coming, even though there are hundred of stories left to be told. But at least you get 14 episodes of the show, so there is some depth there.

I had stacked up episodes of MOWE precisely for the reason DevdogAZ suggested, and I deleted them all last night.

Maybe they'll end MOWE in a cliffhanger, do a mini-series...

At least Firefly got some closure in Serenity Movie...

[madscientist]

Sure, Neilson is starting to make some adjustments for time shifted viewing, but I think it's only if you watch it within like 48 hours. We often don't watch anything all week and then catch up on the weekend. So whether I watch the show Saturday or queue it up for a month, it doesn't count either way.True, but I think most DVR views do watch most shows within 24/48 hours. For shows I like (which includes most of the serialized shows) I typically watch them the same night. Although I never watch anything live (even sports) it's not uncommon for me to be shifted by only 20-30 minutes. Sometimes even less (Dexter, I'm looking at you!) I have two kids so I have no more time on the weekends for TV than I do during the week... even less, actually, since I can get the kids in bed earlier on school nights.

At the point where I don't watch a show for a week or longer, that show is already getting close to being canceled from my SP list.

[Graymalkin]

If Lipstick Jungle ended its run last night, it would be OK. Not a cliff-hanger.

But they did show a preview of a new episode next week.

[JLucPicard]

At least Firefly got some closure in Serenity Movie...
Ya, but how long did we have to wait for that?????

[JLucPicard]

Neilson is starting to take into account some DVRE viewing (at least that's what I read here), but the nature of what the ratings are and what they're used for, I would think, precludes any adjustment for a longer period than that.

I, too, am one that except for a few shows watches most of what I record well after it's original airing (mainly based on the sheer volume of stuff I record!). I've pretty well given up on my viewing habits having ANY impact on ratings whatsoever. :)

[Peter000]

I was excited for MOWE when I first heard about it and set an SP as soon as it was in the guide data... I've got them all saved up, but now I know there's no point in watching and I'll get rid of them.

I just don't understand this attitude. It's like not going out on a date because you know there's no chance of getting married. Hey, you might enjoy the date!

The show is still great, and is well worth watching the eps that have aired.

[BriGuy20]

I'm sure this is a self perpetuating problem. I for one am so sick of getting into a new show and suffering its cancellation. I still have every episode of LJ unwatched and need to decide if I will and the same goes for MOWE and a few others.

You'd be better served IMHO getting a set of Sex and the City and watching that. LJ was a pale imitation of the former at best.

[IJustLikeTivo]

You'd be better served IMHO getting a set of Sex and the City and watching that. LJ was a pale imitation of the former at best.

With the minor issue that the ugliest woman on LJ is better looking than the best on SITC Kristen Davis.

[catcard]

Now to add insult to injury, I just saw on NBC last nite they are going to have a new show in PRIME TIME: "Rosie Live" starring Rosie O'Donnell :eek:

[Graymalkin]

Yeah, what's that about? They've been trying to bring variety shows back to TV now for two decades, and it never works.

[catcard]

I am just concerned at the reduction in shows that might require some intelligence and thought processes - so many "fluff" shows - is the general American intelligence level really that low? Really disturbing to me...

[marrone]

They killed LJ for ROSIE?
Heck, even Christian Slater is more appealing than her!

-Mike

[unicorngoddess]

Also, I really enjoyed last night's episode of MOWE. :(

I saw the teaser preview for the new Rossie show. Didn't she go away for a reason? Why is she coming back?

[DougF]

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0607944/


Brooke Shields is baffled by claims her TV show Lipstick Jungle has been cancelled - because no-one has told her yet.

Internet reports last week (begs10Nov08) suggested the plug had been pulled on the NBC drama series, because of falling ratings.

But Shields insists she still has a job.

She tells Usmagazine.com, "It's not true. They're not breaking down the sets. We're still working. We still have more to do, so it's erroneously presented that we've been cancelled, thank God....

[unicorngoddess]

Hmmm...I wonder if the same might be true of MOWE.

[Bierboy]

I think Brooke is sniffing glue again -- at least according to the New York Post. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11132008/tv/lipstick_jungle_cancelled_138515.htm) Of course, consider the source...

[Jeeters]

Perhaps Lipstick will finish production on whatever unfilmed scripts they have (and maybe tweak the last one to be a series ender), and the Post is just wrong about the 'currently filming' episode being the last.

[JLucPicard]

I would guess that if the network decided to pull the plug on the show, it would not pump more money into filming episodes that weren't filming already.

[Jeeters]

I would guess that if the network decided to pull the plug on the show, it would not pump more money into filming episodes that weren't filming already.It happpens all the time where a show that's currently being aired isn't outright suddenly cancelled, but the network refuses to order/buy any more scripts for the show, effectively letting the scripts they have in hand turn into the end of the series. Just because they don't want the show anymore, doesn't mean it's bleeding money and needs to be gotten rid of ASAP. It's often making money, but just not as much as they'd like. So they let it die a quiet death over several weeks, which also gives them time to decide what they want to fill the slot with, too.

[smak]

Yeah, what's that about? They've been trying to bring variety shows back to TV now for two decades, and it never works.

I like the commercial for Rosie where she's mistaken for people much more talented than her.

-smak-

[JLucPicard]

Perhaps Lipstick will finish production on whatever unfilmed scripts they have (and maybe tweak the last one to be a series ender), and the Post is just wrong about the 'currently filming' episode being the last.
Hadn't read the NY Times link before posting my first response, but from that article it says that the crew reports that the ep they're currently filming is the last. Looks kinda dead to me.

[bengalfreak]

I am just concerned at the reduction in shows that might require some intelligence and thought processes - so many "fluff" shows - is the general American intelligence level really that low? Really disturbing to me...


Nope, everyone's just sick to death of formulaic crime shows.

[IJustLikeTivo]

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0607944/

Given the lead times of magazines, it's entirely possible that was true when she said it.

[catcard]

Nope, everyone's just sick to death of formulaic crime shows.

MOWE and LJ are crime shows :confused:

[crazywater]

I like the commercial for Rosie where she's mistaken for people much more talented than her.

-smak-

I thought that was an actual news conference... :rolleyes:

[bengalfreak]

MOWE and LJ are crime shows :confused:

No, you said you were concerned about the number of new "fluff" shows on TV. My comment was that the reason you are seeing fluff shows is becase everyone is sick of formulaic crime shows thus a lot of the new shows are what you consider fluff. It doesn't mean its necessarily popular fluff.

[madscientist]

Personally I wouldn't call MOWE a "crime show". But since there's no real definition, there's no way to be sure :)

[photoshopgrl]

I really liked MOWE but mainly because I'm a long time fan of Slater and was happy to see him in a show again. I think the show had promise but even after watching just the pilot I knew it wouldn't make it. I thought they might get the first season before being bumped though. Oh well.

[jcondon]

+1

I've never understood this either. Assuming it was recorded because it looked good, one could very well enjoy the episodes even though it's been canceled.

Kind of like reading the first couple Chapters of a book and not having the rest. What's the point?

[alpacaboy]

Depends on if you like the journey. I actually just watched the last 3 episodes of MOWE a couple days ago. I thought the show is pretty well put together, and the episodes I saw did the thing I wanted them to do more of, so I was entertained.

At an extreme, I can watch part of a sports event. Beginning, middle, end - doesn't matter. If I like the sport (gymnastics, women's beach volleyball), I don't even need to know the running score. If I don't generally follow the sport (baseball, football, basketball), seeing the end of the game doesn't enhance the experience any.

I know. I think I'm wired differently than most.

[mattack]

Kind of like reading the first couple Chapters of a book and not having the rest. What's the point?

But almost all TV shows *don't* have an 'ending'. They're separate, *vaguely* related episodes, if at that.. (of course most old shows 'hit the reset button' at the end of every episode, like the original Star Trek & Gilligan's Island).

Even for a running story, you still enjoy the part of the story that does exist. I missed one of the episodes of SwingTown, so am going to wait to rent the DVD so I can see the episodes in order.. but just because it was cancelled, I still want to see them all.

Heck, a show being cancelled with _unaired_ episodes is more likely to make me not watch it than a show that airs all of its episodes.. but not much more likely, I'll probably still watch them and wait for a DVD to see the unaired ones.

[mattack]

Last night I finished watching MOWE. It was well worth watching, even though I knew it was cancelled and didn't have an 'ending'.