Heroes Season 3 disappointing

[xlin85]

the Story about sylar become some hero, wow .... not so interesting, and i dont understand why sylar,can so be powerfull has a nuclear power like peter in heroes first season.... and this about hiro... well why that hero so dumb! has power but useless i think .... peter and sylar become brother ??? :eek: :confused:
PooOr HerOeS ....:down:

[spikedavis]

Go on...

[gastrof]

the Story about sylar become some hero, wow .... not so interesting, and i dont understand why sylar,can so be powerfull has a nuclear power like peter in heroes first season.... and this about hiro... well why that hero so dumb! has power but useless i think .... peter and sylar become brother ??? :eek: :confused:
PooOr HerOeS ....:down:

Is Mr. Muggles cuter than your dogs?

[hummingbird_206]

Yeah, much as I hate to say it, I agree, disappointing. Not the worst show ever, but I really thought after what they put us through last season, and the admission by the creator that he screwed up, that this season would be great. Maybe my expectations were just too high? But whatever the reason, yep, disappointing.

[jstack]

It's down right awful now.

[LoadStar]

Yeah, much as I hate to say it, I agree, disappointing. Not the worst show ever, but I really thought after what they put us through last season, and the admission by the creator that he screwed up, that this season would be great. Maybe my expectations were just too high? But whatever the reason, yep, disappointing.

Ah, ah, ah... Kring never admitted that he screwed up. What he did was acknowledge several ways that some viewers felt that he screwed up, but he never really said that they were necessarily screw-ups... and frankly, I don't think they were.

I think that last season and this are the same problem: viewers want everything, and they want it now. US television watchers don't have short attentions spans - they have NO attention span. By this point in my post, I've probably already exceeded the attention span of the people who say that this season is bad, so I don't know why I bother typing past this point.

Heroes is a show where the pieces will not necessarily fit together right away. There will be characters introduced and plot elements started in episode 2 that really won't be effectively used until episode 20. If you just bear with the show, it'll work out in the end.

Frankly, I don't know how you people made it through season 1, because they really didn't do anything different in the way they told the story of season 1 than the way they told season 2 and 3. Might I suggest Two and a Half Men as a show that would be more your speed?

[astrohip]

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Frankly, I don't know how you people made it through season 1, because they really didn't do anything different in the way they told the story of season 1 than the way they told season 2 and 3. Might I suggest Two and a Half Men as a show that would be more your speed?
Overlooking the fact yours is a condescending post...

I disagree with you, and agree with most of the rest. And I don't think your point about delayed gratification is valid in the least. LOST is a show with a similar approach, and many of us LOVE IT. The problem with Heroes is just poor writing. I enjoyed season one, but thought the end was weak. Season two was a disaster. And going in with high hopes for S3, only to find it's perhaps more of a train wreck than S2 in its own way. Scattershot plots, aimless characters, time & space distractions--it's like every 15 minutes they throw an unstapled script up in the air, and however it lands, that's what they shoot. Didn't Linderman die? Didn't Nikki die? Oops, let's give her a twin. Good Peter, bad Peter, bad Claire, good Claire, bad Mom, good mom, who the hell knows. And Hiro is an absolute idiot. He has gone from charming & cute, to someone pleeeeeaaaase put him out of my misery.

I could go on and on, but you get my drift. I love delayed gratification as long as the ride is fun. But when I just get seasick along the way, who cares where the journey leads, I just wanna get off the &$@# boat.

I'm still watching, but last night may have been it. I said that last week, and stuck around. I'm not sure how long I wanna keep deluding myself that it's gonna get better.

[atrac]

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Frankly, I don't know how you people made it through season 1, because they really didn't do anything different in the way they told the story of season 1 than the way they told season 2 and 3.

For me that's part of the problem -- both seasons seem liked recycled plots of season one. I'd prefer a different approach instead of "something happens in the future that we have to change from happening now."

Might I suggest Two and a Half Men as a show that would be more your speed?

Now now, there's no need to get nasty. ;)

[LoadStar]

For me that's part of the problem -- both seasons seem liked recycled plots of season one. I'd prefer a different approach instead of "something happens in the future that we have to change from happening now."

I wasn't talking about the plot, I was just referring to the way the story was told... lots of random elements that intertwined with each other, without necessarily impacting each other, at least until near the end of the season.

[bicker]

I think Heroes is verging into the same problem that afflicted X-Files.

[ElJay]

I think that last season and this are the same problem: viewers want everything, and they want it now. US television watchers don't have short attentions spans - they have NO attention span.

This is the normal sort of insult hurled at people who don't like a show: "You're just not sophisticated enough to like it." There's a difference between having a short attention span and the feeling of being led aimlessly by the writers. There are plenty of shows that have character or story arcs while at the same time keeping the show interesting with a sense of progress. What they're doing right now is not interesting, at least not to me. As much as I feel led on at times (and annoyed) by something like "Lost," at least the characters in that show remain amusing and true to themselves. I can't say the same for the people in "Heroes."

I guess it all comes down to whether or not you trust the writers and producers of this show to take all of this random crap that's being thrust into the story and make something good about it in the end. After the way the end of season one went down and the entirety of season two, I have no faith in them being able to do that. "Just wait, it's going to be great" is not a valid reason for me to keep watching this show given its track record over the past dozen+ episodes.

[bicker]

Right-on-target, ElJay. There is no real reason to believe that current storyline is craftily subtle and unique. The producers and writers have likely misstepped, and we can only hope that they can recover.

[bengalfreak]

Ah, ah, ah... Kring never admitted that he screwed up. What he did was acknowledge several ways that some viewers felt that he screwed up, but he never really said that they were necessarily screw-ups... and frankly, I don't think they were.

I think that last season and this are the same problem: viewers want everything, and they want it now. US television watchers don't have short attentions spans - they have NO attention span. By this point in my post, I've probably already exceeded the attention span of the people who say that this season is bad, so I don't know why I bother typing past this point.

Heroes is a show where the pieces will not necessarily fit together right away. There will be characters introduced and plot elements started in episode 2 that really won't be effectively used until episode 20. If you just bear with the show, it'll work out in the end.

Frankly, I don't know how you people made it through season 1, because they really didn't do anything different in the way they told the story of season 1 than the way they told season 2 and 3. Might I suggest Two and a Half Men as a show that would be more your speed?

Wow, spoken like a true snob. I still like the show and you don't so there must be something defective about you.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Wow, spoken like a true snob. I still like the show and you don't so there must be something defective about you.
Well, to honest, somebody who doesn't agree with me is defective.

But I try to be tolerant. I know it's not your fault.






:D

[Bob Coxner]

It jumped the shark for me. SP canceled. Glad to see that I'm not alone.

Hiro and Ando were always the ones who kept me coming back for more. It's a crime what they've done to Hiro, turning him into a total putz.

[DougF]

I'm just four episodes into season two and I'm starting to wonder if I should even bother finishing it. Between this thread and this article (http://tv.msn.com/tv/how-to-heal-heroes/?GT1=28103&), I think I might be wasting my time.

Note: I didin't read that article as I'm trying to stay mostly spoiler-free since I'm a year behind. I have no idea if there are spoilers in it, but i's called "How To Heal 'Heroes'".

[windracer]

It's funny ... I didn't watch "Heroes" at all for the first two seasons. I remember seeing the promos for it before it started and thinking it was just a copy of "The 4400" on USA. So I didn't bother.

Eventually I kept hearing about how good it was, colleagues at work kept hounding me to watch it. So earlier this year, after the writer's strike ended Season 2 early, I caught up and watched the entire first two seasons straight.

And I was impressed, it was a pretty good show, not the "The 4400" at all.

But now I have to agree that season 3 seems to be going the wrong direction. As soon as Suresh came up with the injection to give himself abilities, the whole 4400 vibe came back. I've seen this done before.

Oh well.

[jlb]

I think the underlying problem is........serialized shows. It takes some tight, tight writing to take a grand idea, turn it into a serial drama, and have it work for more than one season. Lost has had its bumps along the way (i.e., nikki and paolo) but generaly, the writers have done a great job with it.

For Heroes, they had a great idea. Season one was flying along (no pun intended) and then as they got towards the end they kind of petered out (again NPI).

This is whya show like Law and Order can last for 18 years with a changing cast. I'll still watch Heroes, most likely, but it already was relegated to my still manual recording Series 2 and not on my HD TiVo. It will be quiote sad for the show if I have to remove this repeated manual recording.

[hummingbird_206]

Ah, ah, ah... Kring never admitted that he screwed up. What he did was acknowledge several ways that some viewers felt that he screwed up, but he never really said that they were necessarily screw-ups... and frankly, I don't think they were.

I think that last season and this are the same problem: viewers want everything, and they want it now. US television watchers don't have short attentions spans - they have NO attention span. By this point in my post, I've probably already exceeded the attention span of the people who say that this season is bad, so I don't know why I bother typing past this point.

Heroes is a show where the pieces will not necessarily fit together right away. There will be characters introduced and plot elements started in episode 2 that really won't be effectively used until episode 20. If you just bear with the show, it'll work out in the end.

Frankly, I don't know how you people made it through season 1, because they really didn't do anything different in the way they told the story of season 1 than the way they told season 2 and 3. Might I suggest Two and a Half Men as a show that would be more your speed?

You know, I almost skipped posting to this thread because there's always got to be someone who has to show their @#$%^& by telling everyone else how wrong they are to feel the way they feel. So I wasn't really surprised to see this snitty response to my post of my opinion. But I really was hoping that people could just leave it as a thread to allow people to vent their frustrations rather than turn it into "I'm right and you're wrong kind of thing." Guess it really was too much to hope for.:(

[Bierboy]

It jumped the shark for me. SP canceled. Glad to see that I'm not alone.

Hiro and Ando were always the ones who kept me coming back for more. It's a crime what they've done to Hiro, turning him into a total putz.

I am SOOO close to canceling the SP....for the most part, I agree that this season is like a rudderless ship. Zig zagging all over the place --- too difficult to even BEGIN to understand, and no light at the end of the tunnel. Now, believe me, I don't ALWAYS need light at the end of the tunnel. But with Heroes, there's not even a glimmer....sad....but true.

I will, however, let the eps build up in a folder, and, should the day come that it redeems itself (or I absolutely have NOTHING better to do), I will watch them.

[whitson77]

Might I suggest Two and a Half Men as a show that would be more your speed?

This is worth pointing and laughing at. How arrogant are you?

I'm thinking that your defense of the show (which was great in season 1 and has failed to find itself ever since), just shows how slow witted YOU must be.

This show is great. Every chracter has completely changed from who they were three years ago...let's do a total reset of the show...Silar is a good guy...Everyone who was good is now a complete fool...yea yea, that sounds smart.

Only a spastic monkey would think these are good developments.

[pjenkins]

Only a spastic monkey

you rang?

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:)

[whitson77]

Awww...man turning 40 makes you a spastic monkey??? :(

Well that sucks. :D

[Tweety_pbe98]

How anyone can suggest that Heroes is some complex, cerebral show is beyond me. You cannot create interesting, intertwined story arcs without some characters that act in consistent manners. The show is a complete mess.

The problem is obvious. Tim Kring, the brilliant scribe behind Teen Wolf Too, can't write to save his life. At the end of season one, he lost the real talent behind the show, Bryan Fuller, to Pushing Daisies. The reason season one of Heroes was so good was because of Fuller's genius (see also: Wonderfalls, Dead Like Me). When he left, the show was left with a guy who tried to ruin Jason Bateman's career with a movie about a teenage, boxing werewolf.

[cheesesteak]

Too many people with too many powers.

Too much time travel.

Personality resets.

Hiro is now a putz. Suresh is an idiot.

Heroes used to be edge of the seat, screw TiVo - I'm watching this show live. Now I let it sit around until the weekend.

A great, one season idea that's being stretched thin due to sequelitis.

[headroll]

It jumped the shark for me. SP canceled. Glad to see that I'm not alone.

Hiro and Ando were always the ones who kept me coming back for more. It's a crime what they've done to Hiro, turning him into a total putz.

Hiro and Ando are still trapped at the Company, these idiots wandering around in the form of Hiro and Ando will both be killed (Ando first it seems) then we will finally get back the real characters.

-Roll

[RAKEN]

Did we really need another bash heros thread?

Sure Heros isn't as good as mclaughlin group, but really what is?

[Steveknj]

Ah, ah, ah... Kring never admitted that he screwed up. What he did was acknowledge several ways that some viewers felt that he screwed up, but he never really said that they were necessarily screw-ups... and frankly, I don't think they were.

I think that last season and this are the same problem: viewers want everything, and they want it now. US television watchers don't have short attentions spans - they have NO attention span. By this point in my post, I've probably already exceeded the attention span of the people who say that this season is bad, so I don't know why I bother typing past this point.

Heroes is a show where the pieces will not necessarily fit together right away. There will be characters introduced and plot elements started in episode 2 that really won't be effectively used until episode 20. If you just bear with the show, it'll work out in the end.

Frankly, I don't know how you people made it through season 1, because they really didn't do anything different in the way they told the story of season 1 than the way they told season 2 and 3. Might I suggest Two and a Half Men as a show that would be more your speed?


I agree it's disappointing. I still am watching, but it is way too confusing. I think part of the problem is there are WAY too many MAIN characters and the writers are struggling to find something for ALL of them. I think I would pair this down to 5-6 main characters instead of introducing a whole host of new characters. Plus, as a 4400 fan, it seems to me that Heroes has stolen about halr their ideas from The 4400. In fact, the whole term "abilities" is from The 4400. The last arc in The 4400 was ALSO about synthetic formulas giving laymen abilities, and the fight between those with abilities and those without them. That's what seems to be setting up here on Heroes.

[windracer]

Plus, as a 4400 fan, it seems to me that Heroes has stolen about halr their ideas from The 4400. In fact, the whole term "abilities" is from The 4400. The last arc in The 4400 was ALSO about synthetic formulas giving laymen abilities, and the fight between those with abilities and those without them. That's what seems to be setting up here on Heroes.
See my post (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6768509#post6768509) a few above yours. ;)

[bengalfreak]

Another of the bad ideas actually comes from season 1. The idea that Peter and Sylar can absorb others abilities. It creates two characters with waaay too much power. When Peter gets caught or hurt by someone, I often find myself saying why in the world didn't he use this power to do that. At the very least, the ability to absorb abilities should be limited in some way. Make the newly acquired ability temporary.

Also, I thought Peter and Sylar were exactly the same in their abilities before this season. I assumed Sylar just cut brains out of people because he was a psychopath. I mean what did Peter actually get from absorbing Sylar's ability other than the 'hunger' they keep talking about.

[allan]

Another of the bad ideas actually comes from season 1. The idea that Peter and Sylar can absorb others abilities. It creates two characters with waaay too much power. When Peter gets caught or hurt by someone, I often find myself saying why in the world didn't he use this power to do that. At the very least, the ability to absorb abilities should be limited in some way. Make the newly acquired ability temporary.

Also, I thought Peter and Sylar were exactly the same in their abilities before this season. I assumed Sylar just cut brains out of people because he was a psychopath. I mean what did Peter actually get from absorbing Sylar's ability other than the 'hunger' they keep talking about.

Sylar's original ability was the ability to understand how things work. I've never been clear how that understanding allowed him to steal powers, but apparently it does. That understanding is what Peter gained from Sylar.

And I agree that Peter, and to a lesser extant Sylar, are too powerful.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Sylar's original ability was the ability to understand how things work. I've never been clear how that understanding allowed him to steal powers, but apparently it does. That understanding is what Peter gained from Sylar.
Right, Peter needs to understand the powers, not just mimic them. (I'm not yet clear on why he feels that need, he hasn't explained himself yet.)

[mrmike]

Right, Peter needs to understand the powers, not just mimic them. (I'm not yet clear on why he feels that need, he hasn't explained himself yet.)

Actually, I think he wants to understand the ramifications of his actions. "The butterflies". Sylar has always been better at using his powers because he understands them completely due to his power. Peter has always been tentative and non-instinctive, having to think about using them (and not using them all that well sometimes) because he does not. I do not believe this will change (unless he opens Sylar's head maybe).

[Rob Helmerichs]

Actually, I think he wants to understand the ramifications of his actions. "The butterflies". Sylar has always been better at using his powers because he understands them completely due to his power. Peter has always been tentative and non-instinctive, having to think about using them (and not using them all that well sometimes) because he does not. I do not believe this will change (unless he opens Sylar's head maybe).
I got the impression that Peter's interest is understanding the powers in relation to the virus, the cure, that whole complex of storylines. He wants to save the world, and in order to do that he has to have a better understanding of how the powers work.

Just becoming more powerful doesn't seem like a very Petery thing to want...

[EMoMoney]

Heroes Season 3 disappointing
I agree. I dropped the SP last week.

[kemajor]

And I agree that Peter, and to a lesser extant Sylar, are too powerful.

I know this is the prevailing wisdom around these parts. However, personally I would like to see them kicking major ass every week bringing all their super powers to bear. Let them have to fight off like 15 others with one power each, lets have some big knock down drag outs. The other day with both of them together in Sylar/Gabriels future house and "on the same team" I wanted to see some big time power plays, total ass kicking. Bring every dang power you got into play!!! Action Action Action!!! :)

Of course they would need a Star Wars budget for every weeks show to suit my fancy. Don't get me wrong, I like the mysteries and story lines, but I gotta have the action. No I'm not 16, I just sound like it. :)

- Kelly

[Billyh1026]

I'm probably simple minded since I think it's still a killer show still. AND...I'm still waiting to find out what dragged Sylar into the manhole....:confused:

[Figaro]

Too much time travel and future painting/seeing. Get some new plot devices and find a way to kill Claire, she sucks.

[bluntspoon]

I agree. I dropped the SP last week.

Also, my disappointment is immense.

Dammit.

[smark]

I'm disappointed compared to Season 1 but it's only been what? 4 episodes out of 26? I'll give it at least to midseason before I firm up my decision. It can occasionally take a few episodes to really lay a groundwork but the writing has been kinda eh to set it up.

[fmowry]

On the entertainment scale 2 1/2 Men is about an 8, Heroes 3 ish right now.

Also a 4400 fan here.

Frank

[classicX]

While certain elements are silly, confusing, and "goofbrained," I'm still interested in the story arc enough to keep watching.

The formula / injection for giving everyone powers is silly, but it's what people want - people want to feel, even if in the confines of a TV show, that they can possibly have some power or ability that makes them special. It's almost inevitable in these kinds of shows - the 4400 twist that the injection kills the person 50% of the time was just a clever plot device to spice up a rather common theme, successful as it was.

The problem is that people also want to see powers that they've never seen before, or done in a way that they've never seen before. And the comics do it better. I haven't seen a power on heroes that I haven't seen in some form in a comic book character - and coming up with something new is quite difficult. Sylar's ability is significantly more original than pretty much everyone else's on the show - and introduces an aspect of humanity that is interesting to explore - the need to know, to understand.

Just like man, Sylar finds that his ability to learn, to understand, only drives him to want to know more, and understand more. "The hunger." This is no different than man's apparent need to understand, from the mundane to the sublime to the grotesque. Increasing our knowledge has been man's greatest achievement, our greatest drive, and our greatest downfall.

In other words, I still like the show.

[astrohip]

See this thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=408321), which references this post (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=61351).

Extremely well-written analysis, from someone who loves Heroes, about how to get the show back on track. Mirrors many of my thoughts.

[jlb]

I'm sort of on the fence regarding my SP. I'm grabbing it on my manual record S2, but I have 3 eps queued up now that I have yet to watch. I also record Fringe on this box and with my Medium record quality I have room for about 13 episodes (at most) of both as I record longer blocks to account for clock drift and the fact that the box does not know about the new DST change dates.

I'll keep recording, but it may turn out that I start to lose a few of them due to space.

[Bierboy]

I'm sort of on the fence regarding my SP. I'm grabbing it on my manual record S2, but I have 3 eps queued up now that I have yet to watch....

That's exactly where I am; three eps in my NPL. They can sit forever as far as I'm concerned. If I run out of stuff to watch (unlikely) then I'll get to them. Fortunately, I have a Seagate 750GB DB 35 in my S3, so no worries about running out of space (unless my cable provider greatly increases the number of HD channels -- unlikely, since it's Mediacom :( :down::down::down:).

[tonestert]

My girlfriend and I love the show.
What does everyone that complains about Heroes want, more cop/detective/FBI, doctor, or lawyer shows ? We really need more of those. For me it's great to see a show that is not about cops doctors or lawyers.

[astrohip]

My girlfriend and I love the show.
What does everyone that complains about Heroes want, more cop/detective/FBI, doctor, or lawyer shows ? We really need more of those. For me it's great to see a show that is not about cops doctors or lawyers.
I don't really think about alternatives when I dislike a show. Either I like it or I don't. It's not, "Hmm, let's diss Heroes and maybe we can get another L&O!". Heck, I've never even watched a single L&O (I've also never watched any of the CSIs).

I just like to have fun when I watch TV. If I enjoy it, I keep watching (and pray a few million others are too). And if I don't, I don't.

[fmowry]

My girlfriend and I love the show.
What does everyone that complains about Heroes want, more cop/detective/FBI, doctor, or lawyer shows ? We really need more of those. For me it's great to see a show that is not about cops doctors or lawyers.

I want a show that's not a disjointed pile of crap that Heroes has become. Maybe more like season 1.

Frank

[allan]

My girlfriend and I love the show.
What does everyone that complains about Heroes want, more cop/detective/FBI, doctor, or lawyer shows ? We really need more of those. For me it's great to see a show that is not about cops doctors or lawyers.

I think most of us want to recapture the magic of Season 1. Ironically, most of the problems are from the writers trying too hard to be "Season 1".

Personally, I still like Heroes, and I thought the latest ep (10/20) was very good. But many of the other eps this season weren't as good as they should have been.

[Odds Bodkins]

This is worth pointing and laughing at. How arrogant are you?

Hardly out of character for him as he's been arrogant long before this thread.