Babylon 5, "Interludes and Examinations", S03E14, OAD 5/6/96 *spoilers*

[gchance]

Guide page: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/059.html

"You angry now? Angry enough to kill me? Because that's the only way I'm leavin'... unless your people get off their encounter-suited butts and do something. I've got nothing to lose!"

- In the opening seconds of the episode, it struck me how far the CGI has come between the beginning of the series and now. Amazing advances in such a short time! The real space backgrounds had a lot to do with it, I'm sure.
- It's been 10 days since the last episode.
- We've secretly replaced the coffee that Dr. Franklin normally dr... oh, nevermind.
- "Every day, people around here talk more and more like Kosh."
- Sheridan's finally hit the wall with his patience in regards to Kosh, and the Vorlons in general. He's still speaking riddles though, and I don't think the consequences he's speaking of end with his death.
- Kosh came to Sheridan as his father in his dream, similar to the way he did with G'Kar. What's interesting to me here is he's much more eloquent when taking personas in dreams.
- Speaking of death: how does one kill a being of light? This is a real question, it looked like the Shadows just ripped apart his encounter suit. Obviously his essence, energy, whatever you want to call it, went through the station, but man. I'm sure the Shadows know more about Vorlon physiology than we do. :)
- My last thought is, what the hell happens now? Obviously it's the "master stepping aside" for Sheridan, but this will cause ripples to be sure. But where?

My apologies for not posting this yesterday. Usually I post at the end of the day before I go home from work, but I got tied up, and couldn't post from home because my computer's sick at present. The IT guy's not supposed to have a virus! Anyway.

Greg

[Craigbob]

Yeah. major shocker with Kosh going bye bye.

Sheridan now gets to run this war his way. Plus Kosh will not be there to help him at Z'Ha'Dum.

It was a non-localized phenomena, same thing as the Minbari concept of a Soul. Hmmm interesting no?

IOW Why Morden was in the room at the time. Wasn't there a chance he would get hurt or injured (one would hope)?

Franklin's stim use catches up with him.

Adira is dead. Londo of course thinks it's Refa's doing. IOW if he will find out the truth and what he will do in that case. I think its safe to say that Refa is not long for this world, now that Londo thinks he killed Adira.

Things are starting to heat up here.

[BeanMeScot]

Why in hell would Londo think Refa did it when he just pissed off Morden and Morden is 10 times more frightening than Refa ever thought of being? That didn't make sense to me. Any idiot could tell "who done it".

[gchance]

Several reasons. He's already threatened Refa, using poison. Poisoning is the method of choice for the old republic, and now Adira's been poisoned. If she just turned up dead, it would be different. Also, Londo's not thinking clearly. What's interesting is, had he said something to Vir about it, I think Vir would have put two and two together. But you know, I don't think Londo WANTS Vir's help at this point.

Craigbob, Refa wasn't long for this world anyway, even before the Adira situation that he had nothing to do with. You would think that being in the position he's in, he'd know better than to screw with someone, especially when that someone's an Old Republican like Londo.

It's funny, too, given the way Centauri view Narn. They always talk about the barbarism of the Narns, and how they live like animals, when they're probably more noble, more honorable than the Centauri ever have been. But that's probably the point.

Greg

[aintnosin]

Why in hell would Londo think Refa did it when he just pissed off Morden and Morden is 10 times more frightening than Refa ever thought of being? That didn't make sense to me. Any idiot could tell "who done it".
There used to be a website that had hilarious alternate versions of B5 episodes.

This one had Morden asking Londo, "So you don't remember that I theatened you earlier today? Okay, sure, I'll help."

[busyba]

There used to be a website that had hilarious alternate versions of B5 episodes.

This one had Morden asking Londo, "So you don't remember that I theatened you earlier today? Okay, sure, I'll help."

There's one from the episode where everyone sees Kosh as an angelic figure from their religion, and a Drazi in a bar asks Londa what he saw, and he says, "I saw... nothing. I saw nothing."

In the "alternate" version, he says, "I saw... a puddy tat. I thought I thaw a puddy tat." :)

[aintnosin]

In the "alternate" version, he says, "I saw... a puddy tat. I thought I thaw a puddy tat." :)
Peter Jurasik actually does say that in one of the bloopers.

[Sirius Black]

For the newcomers that still remain, this is actually Episode 15. Episode 14 is Ship of Tears.

[rorrim]

Yeah, this was one I had a hard time with. Londo has been portrayed as many things up to this point, but none of them have been stupid. I had a hard time believing that anyone, even under the stress and grief that he was in at the time, wouldn't see what actually occurred.

[Mr_Bester]

Yeah, this was one I had a hard time with. Londo has been portrayed as many things up to this point, but none of them have been stupid. I had a hard time believing that anyone, even under the stress and grief that he was in at the time, wouldn't see what actually occurred.
Stupidity is not what the problem was. The vorlons NEVER revealed themselves(or visited) the centauri. the centauri have always been aligned with the shadows. At least that is the implication.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Stupidity is not what the problem was. The vorlons NEVER revealed themselves(or visited) the centauri. the centauri have always been aligned with the shadows. At least that is the implication.
He was referring to Londo being too stupid to realize that Morden, not Refa, was behind Adira's assassination. (Quoting the post he was responding to, of course, would have made that more obvious!)

[rorrim]

He was referring to Londo being too stupid to realize that Morden, not Refa, was behind Adira's assassination. (Quoting the post he was responding to, of course, would have made that more obvious!)

Sorry for not quoting, but Rob is correct.

[Mr_Bester]

Oops, I am running behind. I had the Kosh sighting in my mind. Perhaps I should try to wake myself up....

[busyba]

Peter Jurasik actually does say that in one of the bloopers.

that's what I was referencing... I didn't realize that the "alternates" in the post I was quoting was talking about parodies by third parties. :o

[JYoung]

One thing this episode does is do what's unexpected.
Just when you think Londo can't go any darker, he gets pushed even farther.

And Kosh, you expected him to say cryptic things throughout the entire series.
Nope.

And Sheriden manages to get what he wants but at a terrible cost.

The DVD commentary for this episode is interesting as Ed Wasser is one of the participants.

[BitbyBlit]

Yeah, this was one I had a hard time with. Londo has been portrayed as many things up to this point, but none of them have been stupid. I had a hard time believing that anyone, even under the stress and grief that he was in at the time, wouldn't see what actually occurred.

Londo was very focused on the destiny of the Centauri, and more specifically, his position within the Centauri. He brought back the old Centauri political warfare when he poisoned Refa, and figured that Refa was playing the same game. I don't think he ever expected Morden to join in the fun.

Yes, he had pissed off Morden earlier, but he was thinking of Morden's threats in a much more open and direct manner. As much as Londo recognized the power and strategic capabilities of Morden's associates, I don't think he fully grasped their political strengths, or realized how much they wanted to use him. That's why he went after Refa, but never Morden.

Now, that doesn't mean he wasn't stupid. But I don't think it was out-of-character stupidity. He was just so focused on the path ahead of him that he didn't pay attention to everything happening around him. In his mind, everything revolved around the return of the glory of the Centauri Republic and his rise to Emperor. The death of Adira, therefore, was because of the political games he was playing. The idea of an outside force manipulating the situation never occurred to him.

[aintnosin]

Londo was very focused on the destiny of the Centauri, and more specifically, his position within the Centauri. He brought back the old Centauri political warfare when he poisoned Refa, and figured that Refa was playing the same game. I don't think he ever expected Morden to join in the fun.

Yes, he had pissed off Morden earlier, but he was thinking of Morden's threats in a much more open and direct manner. As much as Londo recognized the power and strategic capabilities of Morden's associates, I don't think he fully grasped their political strengths, or realized how much they wanted to use him. That's why he went after Refa, but never Morden.

Now, that doesn't mean he wasn't stupid. But I don't think it was out-of-character stupidity. He was just so focused on the path ahead of him that he didn't pay attention to everything happening around him. In his mind, everything revolved around the return of the glory of the Centauri Republic and his rise to Emperor. The death of Adira, therefore, was because of the political games he was playing. The idea of an outside force manipulating the situation never occurred to him.
Maybe he was subconsciously looking for a reason to take out Refa anyway, so he wanted to blame Adira's death on him.

[Hunter Green]

Pity we won't get to see Adira again, though. Any excuse to get that actress on screen is a good one, even without hair.

No one's talking about Franklin. Even to this day, the number "thirteen" said a bit too loud who can make my wife start quoting Franklin's shouting.

Isn't it weird? You never knew Kosh. You never even got to see him as a sympathetic character. And still you can be just a little bit sad at his death.

[aintnosin]

Pity we won't get to see Adira again, though.Are you sure about that? ;)

[gchance]

Are you sure about that? ;)

I don't know about you, but I didn't SEE her. I just saw some nondescript shape in a body bag.

Greg

[aintnosin]

I don't know about you, but I didn't SEE her. I just saw some nondescript shape in a body bag.

Greg
That's not what I mean. Are you sure it's the last time we see her?

[Hunter Green]

Shhhhhhhh!