The Biggest Loser: Families, TBL S6 entire season thread *SPOILERS* [Text View] - Page 2

mrdazzo7

12-09-2008, 10:39 PM

One last thing. Vicky may be 76 lbs lighter but she is every bit as ugly as she was before> Ugly is through and through. She says she won't put weight on but without knowing how to not do that or why she gained in the first place, she has no chance. I find it ironic that her idea of caring for her kids is feeding them fast food every night for dinner. What a tragic mess.

I don't watch reality TV, and in fact despise it, but I love TBL. Maybe its because I don't follow the genre, but I find it THOUROUGHLY facsinating that people make these concrete character judgements regarding contestants on these shows, as if what's presented is even a *fraction* of what really goes on.

I'll agree that Vicki's messed up how she's taken care of her kids, so I'll give you that. But the sheer level of genuine HATRED for this woman that people have without even actually knowing her, that I don't get. This is a REALITY SHOW. Every single scene is edited together, and it's common knowledge that producers do *anything* they can to "make" stories interesting. People are making statements that Vicki is "ugly inside and out" and a "horrible person" based on what they saw on a reality show.

I will never, ever understand making judgements like that when you're clearly being manipluated. To flat out decide that someone is truly a peice of garbage based on what you've seen on TV is ridiculous to me.

Just my two cents.

EvilMidniteBombr

12-09-2008, 10:49 PM

It would not surprise me that Vicky gains weight at home. That or she doesn't show up for the finale.

debtoine

12-09-2008, 10:50 PM

Unseen Llama

12-09-2008, 11:04 PM

I don't watch reality TV, and in fact despise it, but I love TBL. Maybe its because I don't follow the genre, but I find it THOUROUGHLY facsinating that people make these concrete character judgements regarding contestants on these shows, as if what's presented is even a *fraction* of what really goes on.

I'll agree that Vicki's messed up how she's taken care of her kids, so I'll give you that. But the sheer level of genuine HATRED for this woman that people have without even actually knowing her, that I don't get. This is a REALITY SHOW. Every single scene is edited together, and it's common knowledge that producers do *anything* they can to "make" stories interesting. People are making statements that Vicki is "ugly inside and out" and a "horrible person" based on what they saw on a reality show.

...oh, and I voted for Ed 10 times... :D

I will never, ever understand making judgements like that when you're clearly being manipluated. To flat out decide that someone is truly a peice of garbage based on what you've seen on TV is ridiculous to me.

Just my two cents.

If you don't realize that Vicky is complete evil...you must not be a human being... :D I kid, I kid!

I realize that the producers will cut the show to be more dramatic. But if you look at the overall character of Vicky, she just hasn't learned anything on this show and it's just a game for her still. I am very interested to see if she will continue weight loss until the finale.

USAFSSO

12-09-2008, 11:07 PM

They may have edited to make story lines look one way, but this has been 3 months of seeing Vicky the same way each week. Vindictive, manipulative, and having to be the center of attention, each and every week. This is at least the second time we see Vicky saying she hadn't learned a thing and she know she will put on the weight when she gets home.

They did say the meal plan was for the whole family, so both Ed and Heba get it, but only one will count.

I would campaign for Ed, just because he threw it.

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 07:21 AM

I thought the prize was for meals for the contestant and their family... I may be wrong, though.

Vicky is a total beotch... ugly is as ugly does.

I hope they gain it back in spades!

Heba is Ed's wife....... Hence the question, she is family.

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 07:23 AM

I don't watch reality TV, and in fact despise it, but I love TBL. Maybe its because I don't follow the genre, but I find it THOUROUGHLY facsinating that people make these concrete character judgements regarding contestants on these shows, as if what's presented is even a *fraction* of what really goes on.

I'll agree that Vicki's messed up how she's taken care of her kids, so I'll give you that. But the sheer level of genuine HATRED for this woman that people have without even actually knowing her, that I don't get. This is a REALITY SHOW. Every single scene is edited together, and it's common knowledge that producers do *anything* they can to "make" stories interesting. People are making statements that Vicki is "ugly inside and out" and a "horrible person" based on what they saw on a reality show.

I will never, ever understand making judgements like that when you're clearly being manipluated. To flat out decide that someone is truly a peice of garbage based on what you've seen on TV is ridiculous to me.

Just my two cents.

I understand that the producers paint a picture, but I base my judgement not on the parts they manipulate but the words that come out of her mouth in the confessional ( the part where they speak directly to the camera ). She says things in such a sociopathic way that it makes it impossible to interpret any other way.

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 07:24 AM

I'm very glad Michelle is in the finals. She seems to have learned and evolved the most throughout the process.

It might be editing, but I still can't stand Vicky and it disappoints me that she's in the finals. Oh well, she obviously earned it since Ed water logged before the weigh in (sheesh, even Bob practically said it). I actually telephone voted for Ed, and will probably do it again from another phone number. :)

I wonder how many people in the viewing audience don't know that Alison Sweeney is pregnant. They'll probably be pretty surprised next week at the finale since, in my opinion, NBC did a pretty good job of hiding that detail.

deb

You can vote 10 time via the internet vice one from a phone...... Just saying. I'd do whatever I can to stop Heba. If I could stop Vicky, I would but I figure she'll do just fine with that by herself.

So, it's pretty clear that Ed water loaded. Why? How did that help him or Heba? Was he hoping that he would end up below and she would not? Bear in mind that they didn't know about the way voting would occur. Their going in assumption was that if any of them went against Michelle, they would be safe. If two of them were below, they thought for sure one would have to leave. Hence, I see no advantage to deliberately throwing the weigh in. What am I missing?

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 07:29 AM

They did say the meal plan was for the whole family, so both Ed and Heba get it, but only one will count.

I would campaign for Ed, just because he threw it.

They had no way to know that during the challenge. Either way, it seems unfair to give an advantage to Heba is america chooses to vote for her.

Hansky

12-10-2008, 07:40 AM

I watch this for the exercise and nutrition, which means I get about 7 good minutes a week. This week I watched the final 15-20 minutes and if I did not know better, I would swear that the couple doing the sales pitches were spoofing bad actors. How could either one really go on camera and have zero enthusiasm? It is almost as if they decided that they would look as dumb and dopey as possible, not caring which one got in. I'd say at least 75% vote against their wishes. As dopey as they looked, it looked intentional, as if the plan was for the husband to get in.

flyers088

12-10-2008, 08:48 AM

All I got from last night is that Ed is whipped. Shilling for your wife when you are supposed to be giving your case to be in the finals is lame.

And I made sure to call and vote for Ed to be in the finals and Heba to be out. I am sure Ed thinks everyone loves Heba and will vote for her but I was more annoyed by the pleas that Heba be in the finals so Ed gets my vote to move on.

laria

12-10-2008, 09:42 AM

Their going in assumption was that if any of them went against Michelle, they would be safe.
Maybe they don't trust Vicky as much as they claim to. :)

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 10:03 AM

All I got from last night is that Ed is whipped. Shilling for your wife when you are supposed to be giving your case to be in the finals is lame.

The only thing I got out of it was that they decided off Camera to make sure that if anyone on the blue team went below the line it would be Ed and they would vote him off since Heba has a much better chance of winning overall. (she is at 28 % weight loss vice Ed at 24%). And, if by chance Michelle went below as a Bonus, they could vote her off.

This would be consistent with Ed shilling for Heba in the voting. What he doesn't realize having not seen the show when they filmed those appeals is how negatively Heba came across during the show. No one is going to vote for her unless she was against Vicky.

At this point, it is really Michelle's game to lose. If she stays on track, she is far more likely to win than Vicky since she seems to have paid attention and has resolved many of the issues that led to hear eating problems.

sbourgeo

12-10-2008, 10:22 AM

And I made sure to call and vote for Ed to be in the finals and Heba to be out. I am sure Ed thinks everyone loves Heba and will vote for her but I was more annoyed by the pleas that Heba be in the finals so Ed gets my vote to move on.

Don't forget to add 10 votes for Ed at nbc.com (http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/vote/). I did... :)

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 10:27 AM

Don't forget to add 10 votes for Ed at nbc.com (http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/vote/). I did... :)

10 for each email address...... And, they don't check.....

I did 10 for each of the two I normally use. Just to stay within the letter of the rules.

anniekins

12-10-2008, 11:38 AM

Stop voting! Neither person is worth NBC thinking this season was fun or popular. NBC is monitoring the responses and traffic to judge how well the show was received this season.

Vicky, Heba and Ed were so miserable to watch each week. We love the trainers, we love the helpful information etc, but watching people play the game to the point of backstabbing and bullying was not fun.

I refuse to vote because it's like saying good job NBC another great season.:down:

gchance

12-10-2008, 11:49 AM

The opening scene was hilarious. To quote Vicky:

After the weigh in, the blue team was esstatic.

Not a typo, she actually said it that way. It took a while for me to stop laughing hysterically. Way to go, Vicky!

One last thing. Vicky may be 76 lbs lighter but she is every bit as ugly as she was before> Ugly is through and through. She says she won't put weight on but without knowing how to not do that or why she gained in the first place, she has no chance. I find it ironic that her idea of caring for her kids is feeding them fast food every night for dinner. What a tragic mess.

You know, part of the ugliness is her attitude I think, another part is the scowl she constantly has on her face. When she smiles she looks fine, but that's just it, she rarely smiles.

I will never, ever understand making judgements like that when you're clearly being manipluated. To flat out decide that someone is truly a peice of garbage based on what you've seen on TV is ridiculous to me.

Sure, there's a certain amount of editing that goes on, like what they do with Jillian. But to look straight in the camera multiple times and not only say hateful things about the other players, but state specifically what you're going to do, how you're going to do it, and how you will relish in their misery? That's a different story.

Even if you give her the benefit of doubt, SHE is the one who's saying those things. Any hatred we feel towards her is her own doing.

The same goes for Heba, by the way. Heba was Vicky long before Vicky showed her true colors.

This is at least the second time we see Vicky saying she hadn't learned a thing and she know she will put on the weight when she gets home.

Bingo.

I watch this for the exercise and nutrition, which means I get about 7 good minutes a week. This week I watched the final 15-20 minutes and if I did not know better, I would swear that the couple doing the sales pitches were spoofing bad actors. How could either one really go on camera and have zero enthusiasm? It is almost as if they decided that they would look as dumb and dopey as possible, not caring which one got in. I'd say at least 75% vote against their wishes. As dopey as they looked, it looked intentional, as if the plan was for the husband to get in.

Hey, Hansky, haven't seen you post in a while. Not since about a year ago in the weight loss thread. Glad to see you around.

All I got from last night is that Ed is whipped. Shilling for your wife when you are supposed to be giving your case to be in the finals is lame.

You really think that was his motivation? Just before their "pleas", I turned to my wife and said, "He's going to tell us to vote Heba." Once he did that, I told my wife Heba would tell us to vote for her. My wife's response was, "I'd vote for Ed because he told us to vote otherwise."

I feel the same way. :) Damn Vicky staying over the line! I would have voted if that had been the case.

Greg

craftassistant

12-10-2008, 12:25 PM

guess we all need to "water log" the voting system for Ed.

I can't wait to see Bob rip them a new one. Oh wait there won't be a chance to do that. bummer.

This season really has made Biggest Loser more game play then weight loss/health improvement. Such a shame.

Havana Brown

12-10-2008, 12:49 PM

Havana Brown

12-10-2008, 12:50 PM

NBC website says you have until Monday 3 p.m. to vote. I thought on tv it said voting was only for 24 hours?

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 01:02 PM

Bob really called out Vicky on her not learning anything and that she would gain the weight just like Ryan. I was surprised he talked about Ryan's weight gain. Wow, Michelle lost 9 pounds, she's a rock star! Every time they showed her on screen, she just looked gorgeous. I felt bad for her when they showed her doing some heavy weights with one leg up in the air AND balancing on the bosu ball!!! :eek:

I suspect Bob toned down what he would really say if he weren't on TV. I think he hates the idea that she really wasted her 12 weeks and learned nothing. They've been given a huge gift and she has thrown it away to try to get money.

Maybe that will work but even if she wins, she'll clearly be fat again. Sad really. Some of the people on the show really embrace the concept and some just see it as survivor for fat people. I really wish they'd change the rules to get some of the game play aspect out of it and focus more on the education and uplift sections.

Havana Brown

12-10-2008, 01:07 PM

sharkster

12-10-2008, 01:19 PM

Maybe that will work but even if she wins, she'll clearly be fat again. Sad really. Some of the people on the show really embrace the concept and some just see it as survivor for fat people. I really wish they'd change the rules to get some of the game play aspect out of it and focus more on the education and uplift sections.

(bolding mine) ITA, especially about changing the rules to eliminate the cutthroat types like that wretched Vicky. I'm STILL pissed off at that bonehead Amy for not voting her off the island a couple of weeks ago. I hope she's (Amy) happy now because it not only caused her to be voted off BY Vicky, but it made it a less pleasant experience for the viewers AND caused hard working people to have to leave when she should have been the one gone.

Over the years of watching this show I have seen some people end up having to leave who shouldn't, due to the game play. That just so does not seem right because the point of the show is, or should be, for the contestants to be successful in their bids of getting healthy. If they want it to be some kind of VH1 show, then they shouldn't bill it as a success story type show, IMO.

I know it wouldn't sell, because people like drama, but it seems to me that the only fair thing is that the one with the lowest weight loss percentage each week should be the one to go. Or at least SOME sort of method that is reflective of a person not doing the work. That would also eliminate the OTHER types of game playing that involve bloating up one week, when they expect to be safe, then showing a huge number the next week.

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 01:28 PM

Did anyone watch the full Tyra show? Vicky's sister was supposed to be on the show with her, but the producers wanted Brady with her.

Also, at the end Ali came out. Tyra commented on her arms. She still looks terrific. She's built more like a swimmer now. Somewhat broad shoulders, and tiny V shaped waist.

She works hard to keep that body. On Oprah she says she starts with 30 minutes on a stair machines ( the one with steps that move ) then moves to anther machine for another hour. Usually a rowing machine where she does hald the strokes overhand and the other half underhand. Then she does weight training. She is a full on exercise addict and she looks amazing.

EvilMidniteBombr

12-10-2008, 01:29 PM

I think they should make eliminations based on total percentage of weight lost for the full amount of time they've been on campus. Then the two lowest percentages are in danger of being voted off. That may keep people from water loading before a weigh in since that percentage will be factored into their weight loss the next week.

I say give the audience 50% of the voting power and the contestants the other 50%. Of course the viewers voting would not work for a show that is taped months in advance.

Butcher Girl

12-10-2008, 01:43 PM

...the sheer level of genuine HATRED for this woman that people have without even actually knowing her, that I don't get. This is a REALITY SHOW. Every single scene is edited together, and it's common knowledge that producers do *anything* they can to "make" stories interesting. People are making statements that Vicki is "ugly inside and out" and a "horrible person" based on what they saw on a reality show.

I will never, ever understand making judgements like that when you're clearly being manipluated. To flat out decide that someone is truly a peice of garbage based on what you've seen on TV is ridiculous to me.

Just my two cents.

I can speak only for myself, but I hate what Vicky has done to the spirit of the show, not Vicky herself. Like you said, I don't know her enough to hate her, and frankly I don't care enough about her to hate her. HOWEVER, you must admit that Vicky's MySpace blog is unedited and is written by Vicky herself. Even there, where she could say whatever she wanted, her nasty, self-centered attitude glares through in her very own words. Putting the blame on everyone else but herself for her failures, how she deserves this more than anyone, how glad she was that Phil was gone, excuses for not trying, etc. For example, she apologizes to Michelle for "stealing her fire" (her words, not mine) last week, but in the same breath says, "I'm sorry everyone else made such a big deal out of me not jumping". Additionally, in the week 12 blog she says, in not so many words, that if Michelle wins at the finale, it's all Amy's fault for voting out Brady a couple of weeks ago, and not Michelle as Vicky had instructed her to do. Though, I'm sure if Vicky wins (please NO!) she'll take every bit of credit for herself and probably won't even thank Bob. She implies in her blog that she doesn't trust Bob and really doesn't have any faith in him as her trainer. Look what he did for her! And that's the thanks he gets?

Her comments last night about how, when her children question their ability to lose weight later in life, they should think about HER success on the show, and that they came from HER so if she can do it, they can too. Hey - how about, you're strong enough, you're worth it, I believe in you, ...nope. You came from ME so I am the reason that you succeed. Another self-centered nugget of wisdom from Vicky.

She is, at the VERY least, ungrateful, spiteful and selfish - and that's what I got from reading HER unedited side of the story. I, too know that NBC edits for ratings, and I thought back in week 3 that I would give her the benefit of the doubt, so I read her blog. It did nothing to improve my perception of her. I agree, she has learned nothing and she made this season particularly unpleasant to watch. I think it sends a poor message to young folks watching that if you play the game, albeit dirty, you get everything you want.

I am so happy to see these folks get healthy, certainly I can't be against that, that's the point of the show...but I don't agree at all with Vicky's attitude. This is about a LIFE change, not just a BODY change.

Butcher Girl

12-10-2008, 01:54 PM

p.s. - I just realized that in the makeover episode, Vicky totally reminds me of Ms. Piggy from the muppets. Only not nearly as cute.

check out the picture from the catwalk...even her shoes look like little hooves.

http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/08/biggest-loser-6-vicky-vilcan/

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 01:55 PM

Speaking of her own works. Besides esstatic as she said last night. Check out this gem from her Myspace blog about heba.

"She was very strong willed and spoke her mind in the most articulated manner". The only person I know who speaks in an articulated manner is someone who bends the truth. Who would that be?

Havana Brown

12-10-2008, 02:49 PM

I think Vicky looks much better without all that make-up. When she was doing the voice-overs in her gym clothes and hair pulled back she looked better than at the weigh-in with her hair down or on her way home. Heba, on the other hand, I gotta say, looked great on her ride home. At first I noticed her pretty dress, then I notice her make-up was done very nicely and her hair looked great. She wasn't so bad last night, except for all the wooo hooooing when Ed won the challenge. And yes, the whole family gets to eat from those meals he won. Too bad it wasn't Vicky, her kids sure could use it since you know she's not going to cook vegetables for them. :rolleyes:

Hansky

12-10-2008, 03:05 PM

Hey, Hansky, haven't seen you post in a while. Not since about a year ago in the weight loss thread.

Strangely enough, I don't need to lose weight. Just interesting watching the workouts and how much weight they lose. I don't care about the other 90 minutes of the show. A friend of mine won the "Boot Camp" reality show a few years ago. I think it only lasted one or two seasons.

Hansky

12-10-2008, 03:12 PM

That just so does not seem right because the point of the show is, or should be, for the contestants to be successful in their bids of getting healthy. If they want it to be some kind of VH1 show, then they shouldn't bill it as a success story type show, IMO.

The point of the show is to get ratings. One can also say that if they want to be a health and weight loss show, without the drama, they can do it on Discovery Health. They did do such a show, and it is unlikely the show would have lasted 3 weeks in prime time.

lyndas9254

12-10-2008, 03:18 PM

I love this show too and I love Jillian. I know she seems more hard core but when your trying to lose weight and you need a lot of help you need a strong push and sweetness just doesn't do it.

Sadara

12-10-2008, 03:21 PM

I will be really glad when this season is over. I haven't enjoyed much. Watching vicki and heba hasn't been much fun. They don't seem to be learning anything up from a biggest loser, they are only in it for the game play. I think of all of the people who didn't get to go on the show that would've learned something from what it offers. I hope that none of the blue team wins the finale.

lyndas9254

12-10-2008, 03:24 PM

I forgot to add I also agree that the show is for ratings. I like watching for the workouts and seeing what it takes for heavier people to lose weight...and its alot. Anyway, with primetime viewing and the need for ratings and the need to grab viewer interest something has to grab us as viewers and that needs to jump out.

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 03:29 PM

And yes, the whole family gets to eat from those meals he won.

I think the kids should but Heba should not. Unless all contestants get it, it's not fair that she does. Ed won the prize, she didn't. It could potentially be an advantage to her if she gets chosen and he doesn't. Otherwise, all the contestants should get it and clearly that isn't going to happen. Since they win or lose as individuals now, they should win challenges the same way.

Too bad it wasn't Vicky, her kids sure could use it since you know she's not going to cook vegetables for them. :rolleyes:

Ain't that the truth. Hard to believe that she NEVER cooks dinner. NEVER.

Hansky

12-10-2008, 03:32 PM

I will be really glad when this season is over. I haven't enjoyed much. Watching vicki and heba hasn't been much fun.

Why not change the channel and never give the show another thought. The season is over when you stop watching.

Dssturbo1

12-10-2008, 03:35 PM

i put in my ten votes for ed at nbc online. i just hope he wins the get back in vote big time and they announce that ed was picked in a landslide over heba.

then michelle kicks all their arses.

Ohmissfl

12-10-2008, 05:47 PM

i put in my ten votes for ed at nbc online. i just hope he wins the get back in vote big time and they announce that ed was picked in a landslide over heba.

then michelle kicks all their arses.

I put one in for Heba last night--but I think I am going to put the other nine votes to Ed also. I really don't like the way they did that--he gained two pounds just so she could get into the finale--LOL I hope it backfires on them big time! And I am a BIG TIME supporter of Michelle--I hope she takes it all the way--and whoever said that Vicki and Heba haven't learned anything--they are absolutely right!

GOOOOOOO MICHELLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IJustLikeTivo

12-10-2008, 07:19 PM

i put in my ten votes for ed at nbc online. i just hope he wins the get back in vote big time and they announce that ed was picked in a landslide over heba.

then michelle kicks all their arses.

I'd be stunned if the actually reveal the numbers. It would be so lopsided and frankly a bit hurtful to show it. Now, if it were Vicky, I'd say show the vote let her know what a troll the world thinks she really is. Nasty but she brings that out in me in spades.

gchance

12-10-2008, 08:01 PM

Wow, Michelle lost 9 pounds, she's a rock star! Every time they showed her on screen, she just looked gorgeous. I felt bad for her when they showed her doing some heavy weights with one leg up in the air AND balancing on the bosu ball!!! :eek:

Yeah when that clip came on, my wife said, "No thank you." I have a heck of a time doing that move WITHOUT the ball, let alone with. It's in Jillian's book, Making the Cut.

Also, at the end Ali came out. Tyra commented on her arms. She still looks terrific. She's built more like a swimmer now. Somewhat broad shoulders, and tiny V shaped waist.

What did she say about her arms?

She works hard to keep that body. On Oprah she says she starts with 30 minutes on a stair machines ( the one with steps that move ) then moves to anther machine for another hour. Usually a rowing machine where she does hald the strokes overhand and the other half underhand. Then she does weight training. She is a full on exercise addict and she looks amazing.

And you can tell she "got it", too. In most of last season, you could tell. Can you picture Vicky doing that routine on her own?

Greg

bareyb

12-10-2008, 09:22 PM

And you can tell she "got it", too. In most of last season, you could tell. Can you picture Vicky doing that routine on her own?

Greg

I'm told Ali is coming to the 24 Hour Fitness in Sunnyvale at some point in the near future, and I can't wait to meet her. She's my all time favorite biggest loser. She is like a person who has been in prison and is now free. I can relate, and I think a lot of other people do with her too. Truly an inspiration.

Vicky isn't even in the same league. How can you call yourself a "caretaker" when you are feeding your family fast food every night? That's just pure laziness and it says something about her character. Either that or it says something about her complete cluelessness about food. I tend to think it's the former over the latter. Nope. Not a big fan of Vicky. She seems to be softening a little, but I don't see it lasting five minutes after the TBL is over. Her and Brady will simply hole up with each other and go back to being the way they always have been.

As far as Ed and Heba? Ed's future is completely dependent on whatever Heba does. If she gets fat again, he will get fat with her. If she embraces a new healthy lifestyle I'm sure he will do that too. Whatever Heba wants, Heba gets... :p

justapixel

12-10-2008, 09:46 PM

We has a power failure of some sort and missed a bit.

For the person who said people are being duped into hating Vicky - I agree a bit. They are only showing what they want to show, the apparently wanted to create a villian and they did. That said, nobody put words, facial expressions and attitude into Vicky - that came from her. Even if she didn't behave that way the majority of the time, she did behave that way. Lots of people can go through this kind of experience without getting petty and vindictive - she didn't.

I like the person who said they don't hate Vicky, they hate what she's done to the show. I might replace that "she" with the producers, who chose to put a negative person on what should be a positive show. We'll see if they think it's a good strategy or not in future seaons, although I won't be watching if they turn it into Survivor.

I'm rooting for Michelle. She was pretty before, but she is gorgeous now. Her forgiveness for her mother shines and you can tell she's going to be mentally and physically healthy for life.

gchance

12-10-2008, 10:54 PM

I'm told Ali is coming to the 24 Hour Fitness in Sunnyvale at some point in the near future, and I can't wait to meet her. She's my all time favorite biggest loser. She is like a person who has been in prison and is now free. I can relate, and I think a lot of other people do with her too. Truly an inspiration.

If you get advance word, let me know and I'll come down. Hopefully it won't be midweek. She's a cutie.

I mean, er, uh, my wife would love to meet her, yeah.

Greg

bareyb

12-10-2008, 11:12 PM

If you get advance word, let me know and I'll come down. Hopefully it won't be midweek. She's a cutie.

I mean, er, uh, my wife would love to meet her, yeah.

Greg

You got it Greg. Some time after the first of the year. :up:

veruca salt

12-10-2008, 11:27 PM

flyers088

12-11-2008, 08:06 AM

IJustLikeTivo

12-11-2008, 09:51 AM

So it seems as though the consensus here is to vote for Ed. I'm curious why ya'll want him in the final. I would rather have Heba in the final because I want Michelle to win. I think Michelle has a better chance of winning against Heba than Ed. Am I missing something?

A vote for Ed serves two purposes. First it refuses to reward their scheme to help Heba get in the final and second it helps Michelle. Heba has lost a larger percentage than Ed and is a bigger threat. Ed is a safer choice if you want Michelle to win.

TR7spyder

12-11-2008, 11:44 AM

It seems pretty certain (now) that Ed will be voted in. But a couple of months ago, they must have thought that Heba will be in. So, thinking that he isn’t going to be the finalist, Ed will be less motivated to push himself. Which is good for Michelle and unfortunately, it is also good for Vicky :(.

As for Vicky, I can see her employ weight cutting tactics the likes of which we haven’t yet seen in this show…

Havana Brown

12-11-2008, 12:08 PM

What did she say about her arms?

That Tyra was envious of her arms.

Numercially Michelle is at 33 % Vicky is at 31, Heba at 28 and Ed at 24%.

I'm glad you posted that because to me Ed's 85 lb. weight loss seemed pretty impressive and thought he was probably in the lead. This puts it in perspective.

IJustLikeTivo

12-11-2008, 12:20 PM

That Tyra was envious of her arms.

I'm glad you posted that because to me Ed's 85 lb. weight loss seemed pretty impressive and thought he was probably in the lead. This puts it in perspective.

Percentage wise, he was the worst of the four left.

Ed is at 24%
Heba at 28
Michelle at 33
Vicky at 30.9

Numerically, they're all within 8 lbs but Michelle at 80 lbs has the largest percentage since she was the smallest to start.

Vicky is the only real competition for Michelle. It's not clear how long there is between the final filmed show and the live final.

Greg Chance who listens to Jillian's podcast may have insights as to when they left the ranch.

gchance

12-11-2008, 12:29 PM

Greg Chance who listens to Jillian's podcast may have insights as to when they left the ranch.

No clue, I remember Jillian saying they had filmed the last episode, but I don't remember exactly how long ago it was. I do know they've been filming the next season for a long time (6 weeks or more), and I don't think they overlap.

Greg

gchance

12-11-2008, 12:59 PM

Havana Brown

12-11-2008, 01:31 PM

I just did online voting for Ed. I'm pretty sure I have voted more than 10 times. I started yesterday and did more today. Did you all get quicked out after your 10 votes?

IJustLikeTivo

12-11-2008, 01:43 PM

I just did online voting for Ed. I'm pretty sure I have voted more than 10 times. I started yesterday and did more today. Did you all get quicked out after your 10 votes?

I got neither quicked out nor kicked out but I voted 10 times not 11..... Didn't want to take my shoes off.

Havana Brown

12-11-2008, 01:49 PM

Ah, okay. I wasn't keeping track, I figured when I reached 10 they would tell me I reached my limit.

veruca salt

12-11-2008, 07:52 PM

Because I refuse to give Heba whatever she wants.

You have a valid point!!

A vote for Ed serves two purposes. First it refuses to reward their scheme to help Heba get in the final and second it helps Michelle. Heba has lost a larger percentage than Ed and is a bigger threat. Ed is a safer choice if you want Michelle to win.

Thanks for pointing it out. I swear I read your post where you originally gave the percentages. It didn't sink in, though. Can I blame it on being exhausted?

IJustLikeTivo

12-11-2008, 08:56 PM

You have a valid point!!

Thanks for pointing it out. I swear I read your post where you originally gave the percentages. It didn't sink in, though. Can I blame it on being exhausted?

Fine with me, I'm exhausted a lot. I don't get offended by that, my clients all too frequently ignore what I tell them.

IJustLikeTivo

12-13-2008, 10:07 AM

Was just watching a promo for the show. It appears they show a later picture of Michelle than we have seen and she looks really good. The body language is interesting. In the first few weigh in pictures, she looks unhappy and has her arms crossed in front of her to hide the fat. As she loses more and more weight, she smiles, her arms move to the side, her shoulders are back. The transformation is really remarkable. I sure hope she wins!

USAFSSO

12-13-2008, 11:31 AM

They are playing Season 4 on the Fox Reality channel this weekend.

Havana Brown

12-15-2008, 01:34 PM

Last chance workout!!!

I mean, last chance to vote.

Was just watching a promo for the show. It appears they show a later picture of Michelle than we have seen and she looks really good.

I noticed that too. She looks tiny!!

craftassistant

12-15-2008, 01:48 PM

you are too funny HB!

Havana Brown

12-16-2008, 10:30 AM

When I got home last night I thought it was Tuesday night and was looking forward to the show!!! :mad:

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 12:25 PM

When I got home last night I thought it was Tuesday night and was looking forward to the show!!! :mad:

7 More hours. Do you think they went out for lunch today? Chinese buffet maybe? ;)

Now would be a great time for a 4 hour spin session last chance workout!

gchance

12-16-2008, 12:34 PM

Yesterday on the way home from work and this morning, I listened to Jillian's podcast from Sunday morning. A few TBL-related things...

- Their final weigh in is NOT today. That was Saturday afternoon. Jillian talked at length about their final weigh-in.
- Remember the goofy scarf thing Bob wore last year? Jillian and her producer, Janice, made fun of it at length, and begged Bob not to wear it again this year.
- Jillian mentioned that NBC doesn't like her legs so she won't be wearing a dress.
- Jillian is over the top proud of Michelle. She talked about the struggles Michelle had, then said it doesn't matter if she wins the big prize or not, that her attitude has changed so much, she's won already. She also said that she views Michelle now more as a friend than a contestant.
- At the end of the show, Bernie & Brittany from Season 5 called in. Bernie calls in semi-regularly, but he said that he ran the Chicago Marathon this year in 4:15, and the day after, Brittany called him and asked if she wanted to run a half marathon with her. Saturday was the half marathon (I don't remember which one it was though). Jillian commented that it bothers her when her contestants are in better shape than she is.
- Both Brittany & Bernie are training for triathlons now.

She still didn't mention how long it was between the last weigh-in and Saturday's weigh-in.

If you guys get a chance, listen to the podcast (http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/LOSANGELES-CA/KFI-AM/Jillian121408.mp3). It was a good one this week.

Greg

gchance

12-16-2008, 12:41 PM

Yahoo now has some before & after photos. Wait until you see Phil.

http://tv.yahoo.com/the-biggest-loser/show/37103/photos/1

Greg

USAFSSO

12-16-2008, 01:33 PM

Havana Brown

12-16-2008, 01:36 PM

7 More hours. Do you think they went out for lunch today? Chinese buffet maybe? ;)

Now would be a great time for a 4 hour spin session last chance workout!

I would be dehydrating myself.

Any spoilers out there on the interwebs?

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 01:42 PM

I would be dehydrating myself.

Any spoilers out there on the interwebs?

I hear that the winner will be:

the person who loses the largest percentage of weight..... ;)

Patience grasshopper.

I recall one contestant saying in an earlier year that for the last week all they ate was diet jello.

USAFSSO

12-16-2008, 01:45 PM

I hear that the winner will be:

the person who loses the largest percentage of weight..... ;)

Patience grasshopper.

I recall one contestant saying in an earlier year that for the last week all they ate was diet jello.

Jerk. I told myself I wouldn't look, then did. Now no reason to watch.

Havana Brown

12-16-2008, 02:58 PM

It makes it hard for a woman to win it all if it's based on percentage weight loss. When you have a big man like Ed coming in, he's a big threat. I wish either the trainers, producers, or America could vote for the winner. It looks like Michelle has made a lifestyle change, while someone like Vicky or Heba will be a big fat heffer again in no time at all.

USAFSSO

12-16-2008, 03:31 PM

gchance

12-16-2008, 05:09 PM

So do they know their weights, or did they weigh them in and only the producers see the final lbs.

If they were "done" Sat night would have been the big party of drinking and eating everything you want. Then back to being sensible on Sun.

The producers know the weights, and I would imagine the crew would for staging and such. The trainers and contestants don't. I would think Ali would have to know also. And the doctor I would imagine, hehe.

I would be dehydrating myself.

Any spoilers out there on the interwebs?

Why?

Greg

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 07:43 PM

One evil witch down, one to go.

Edited to add. Rats she won by 4 lbs. Well at least she didn't win the big prize.

craftassistant

12-16-2008, 08:10 PM

OMG....don't you just love 84% of America...now back to my tivo watching ...to see where the last home person weighed in at.

I just have to say everyone kicked butt at home. Jerry is the best though by far I think! he is so great looking now!

veruca salt

12-16-2008, 08:50 PM

I don't understand why they still take their "shoes" off to weigh in. We all know that's not a scale.

veruca salt

12-16-2008, 08:52 PM

Anyone know who that was who Bob and Jillian greeted on the way out?

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 08:57 PM

Michelle has to have this in the bag. She was at 33% before they left the ranch. That means she only needs to have lost 20 more lbs in the two months since. No way she lost less. I'm betting 115 total final weight 127.

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 08:58 PM

Anyone know who that was who Bob and Gillian greeted on the way out?

Bernie and Britney. He just ran a Marathon and she just did a half marathon. Talk about getting with the program!

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 09:00 PM

Wahooooo! Michelle wins the pennant. And Vicky gets NOTHING!

craftassistant

12-16-2008, 09:02 PM

I just have to say that was a kick butt ending to everyone....with all the weight losses! Can't wait to have chats about how everyone looks!

craftassistant

12-16-2008, 09:07 PM

oh someone said on the show that they were home for 2 months and 3 weeks. I believe it was Ed.

veruca salt

12-16-2008, 09:07 PM

Wahooooo! Michelle wins the pennant. And Vicky gets NOTHING!

YEA!! I'm just about a commercial away from her getting on the scale. I don't mind it being spoiled when it's the outcome I want!! WOO-HOO!

veruca salt

12-16-2008, 09:09 PM

Bernie and Britney. He just ran a Marathon and she just did a half marathon. Talk about getting with the program!

How do you know EVERYTHING???

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 09:13 PM

What is clear by the ending is that Ed and Vicky tried to win by diet alone. Neither had anything like the muscle tone that Michelle had.

I think the Amys and Phil looked the most amazing of the remainder though I have to admit that Heba did a great job at home.

Heba's nastiness cost her $150,000 dollars. Had she won the vote, she would have one as she lost almost 2 % more than Michelle. As I said before, she was the biggest threat to Michelle all along.

Interestingly, three of the eliminated contestants lost more than Michelle. In addition to Heba both Amy P and Phil lost more with Amy C in a close 4th. In that sense Vicky was right to get rid of all of them. They would have all beaten her along with Ed.

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 09:15 PM

How do you know EVERYTHING???

I have mysterious sources.... Like the last page of this thread where Greg Chance posted that he heard that on Jillian's radio show this week....

veruca salt

12-16-2008, 09:21 PM

I have mysterious sources.... Like the last page of this thread where Greg Chance posted that he heard that on Jillian's radio show this week....

You made me go back and re-read his post v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y! Nowhere in his post does it say that Jillian would greet them on her way out!

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 09:22 PM

You made me go back and re-read his post v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y! Nowhere in his post does it say that Jillian would greet them on her way out!

Sorry, I thought you meant about them running. I just recognized them from when they were on the show. That's how I knew who she greeted.

debtoine

12-16-2008, 09:23 PM

Yay Michelle! I'm so happy that the rest of America felt like most of us did, and voted Heba out of the finale. Had she been there, she'd have won the big prize, instead of the at home prize.

Michelle, both Amy's, Shellay, Stacy, Phil and Jerry looked amazing. Most of them looked great, but I think these people looked the best of everyone.

deb

EvilMidniteBombr

12-16-2008, 09:27 PM

For some reason I lost about 20 minutes of the show.
Does anyone know what Vicky's weight at the final weigh in on the ranch? The good news is that Phil and Amy C. both lost a higher percentage than Vicky did. The bad news is that it don't pay the bills.

I'm so happy to see that Michelle won. I only wish that Phil or his Amy would have done better than Heba.

Since she's so fond of saying that it isn't about the payday, I wonder if she will be donating all of her winnings?

debtoine

12-16-2008, 09:33 PM

Here are the numbers after last week's show:

Vicky: Starting weight 246/Last week 176/This week 170 (-6) -3.41%
Heba: Starting weight 294/Last week 217/This week 210 (-7) -3.23%
Ed: Starting weight 335/Last week 250/This week 252 (+2) +.8%
Michelle: Starting weight 242/Last week 171/This week 162 (-9) -5.26%

So Vicky was at 170 when she left the ranch.

deb

veruca salt

12-16-2008, 09:36 PM

Sorry, I thought you meant about them running. I just recognized them from when they were on the show. That's how I knew who she greeted.

OK...I'll still be looking to you to tell me my future when the time is right!

IJustLikeTivo

12-16-2008, 09:44 PM

OK...I'll still be looking to you to tell me my future when the time is right!

Let me take out my Tarot cards and do a reading......

I see great success in your future.....

And we have another card.....

EvilMidniteBombr

12-16-2008, 09:44 PM

USAFSSO

12-16-2008, 10:25 PM

....

I think the Amys and Phil looked the most amazing of the remainder though I have to admit that Heba did a great job at home.
...

Amy P looked amazing. I would be annoyed if I was kicked off and lost more than the winner.

Mindflux

12-16-2008, 10:28 PM

This was in my NPL until it mysteriously disappeared. I did not get to see the FINALE! BOOOOOOO.

USAFSSO

12-16-2008, 10:31 PM

This was in my NPL until it mysteriously disappeared. I did not get to see the FINALE! BOOOOOOO.

Will be on Fine Living Network this weekend.

I'm amazed we only got 12 pages this season.

Mindflux

12-16-2008, 10:33 PM

Will be on Fine Living Network this weekend.

I'm amazed we only got 12 pages this season.

I don't think I get that channel? I did a search for biggest loser and that did not come up.

Cragmyre

12-16-2008, 10:39 PM

craftassistant

12-16-2008, 10:42 PM

I think the most amazing part was Vicky giving kudos to Phillip for his inspiration during a conference call. She said that he said to "Live for today" or something similar to that. Then again, she may have been talking about a different Phillip, but I didn't get that impression.

I heard that too. I was like wow!

I wish they would do a reunion type show with all the past seasons kinda of like a road rules vs real world .

gchance

12-17-2008, 12:12 AM

Anyone know who that was who Bob and Jillian greeted on the way out?

How do you know EVERYTHING???

You made me go back and re-read his post v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y! Nowhere in his post does it say that Jillian would greet them on her way out!

No, I didn't. When they did the radio show they didn't say they had planned it or anything. They did say, "See you Tuesday night", and talked about how they were going to go out drinking. Brittany said she was looking forward to it because she hadn't had any alcohol in 3 months. Bernie mentioned red wine, to which Jillian said WHAT?!?! and Brittany said no, vodka, and Jillian agreed.

Sometimes you can read between the lines. Jillian said she really needed the drink after such a rough season. I'm sure in the next few shows she'll go into some detail, and she'll likely have Michelle on the show. I'd bet good money on it, actually. Last year after the show was over she had Brittany in for a show by herself, the same with Ali.

Wahooooo! Michelle wins the pennant. And Vicky gets NOTHING!

Ding dong, the witch is dead!

oh someone said on the show that they were home for 2 months and 3 weeks. I believe it was Ed.

Specifically, right before Michelle went up there, Allison Sweeney said it had been 102 days on the ranch and 122 days at home.

What is clear by the ending is that Ed and Vicky tried to win by diet alone. Neither had anything like the muscle tone that Michelle had.

I think the Amys and Phil looked the most amazing of the remainder though I have to admit that Heba did a great job at home.

I totally agree, Phil looked as good or better than Jim did a few seasons ago.

Interestingly, three of the eliminated contestants lost more than Michelle. In addition to Heba both Amy P and Phil lost more with Amy C in a close 4th. In that sense Vicky was right to get rid of all of them. They would have all beaten her along with Ed.

Amy P looked amazing. I would be annoyed if I was kicked off and lost more than the winner.

I dunno. She might not have lost as much if she was still on the ranch. Revenge is a bitch.

Greg

IJustLikeTivo

12-17-2008, 05:06 AM

Having slept on it overnight, the single best part about what happened is that is showed that all the nasty game play hurt the people who did it. Vicky got nothing and Heba lost the money ($150,000) that she would have won and barely won a consolation prize.

Regarding Heba and Ed, I am very very surprised that they revealed the magnitude of the voting differential. While I certainly expected that America would not reward Heba I did not expect that they would ever say by how much. I have to think that Heba was pretty shocked. She seemed stunned throughout the rest of the show after that. Time wounds all heels I guess.

craftassistant

12-17-2008, 08:31 AM

Well Heba and Ed won alot during the show...they won the RV, the food at home, etc.

Honestly if I was Ed..I would be taking this experiance and running with the healthy eating portion and opening a catering business at home. Between him and Heba they could have a great little personal chef biz in the Raleigh area.

I liked how the Humble Pie gave him his own section of the menu.

IJustLikeTivo

12-17-2008, 08:38 AM

I liked how the Humble Pie gave him his own section of the menu.

Heba got a nice serving of Humble Pie to go with her $100,000 in the form of the final voting. Ouch.

Mindflux

12-17-2008, 08:49 AM

Regarding Heba and Ed, I am very very surprised that they revealed the magnitude of the voting differential. While I certainly expected that America would not reward Heba I did not expect that they would ever say by how much. I have to think that Heba was pretty shocked. She seemed stunned throughout the rest of the show after that. Time wounds all heels I guess.

I knew, KNEW when Ed pleaded to vote him out of the game that America would do the polar opposite. We're a bunch of arseholes. :D

That being said, my fiancee and I were rooting for Michelle.. and we really wanted to have some other than Heba win the $100k 'come back'. We were spiting fire at Vicky's behavior and just in awe that the rest of the blue team didn't seem to see that she's a scheming bitch.

I'm still pissed my TiVo magically deleted this as I didn't get to watch it. I wanted to see how Colleen did... we were sad to see her go.

laria

12-17-2008, 08:54 AM

I wish that they'd spend less time showing us the same recap videos we've seen all season, and more time on a Survivor-style Q&A reunion show after they announce the winner. :)

IJustLikeTivo

12-17-2008, 09:44 AM

I wish that they'd spend less time showing us the same recap videos we've seen all season, and more time on a Survivor-style Q&A reunion show after they announce the winner. :)

+400. I'd like to hear about how the home time went. And I'd just love to have Probst ask Vicky/Heba about why they were such nasty ho's and how it feels to be hated by all of America.

BTW, Mindflux, the voting had way less to do with Americans being contrary and and a lot to do with Heba being nasty as heck early in the game ( e.g. Phil). She calmed down towards the end and I think she got religion regarding weight and exercise ( BTW, I sincerely hope that She and Ed have the children they want ) whereas I suspect Vicky will instantly forget all the lessons of the show and regain the weight in less than a year.

laria

12-17-2008, 10:00 AM

refried

12-17-2008, 10:10 AM

I wanted to see how Colleen did... we were sad to see her go.

Her dad weighed in before she did and took the lead. She didn't beat her father's percentage.

IJustLikeTivo

12-17-2008, 10:31 AM

Her dad weighed in before she did and took the lead. She didn't beat her father's percentage.

I expected her to do better. She lost 51 lbs while she was at the ranch but only 13 in the 15 weeks after that. She still looked better but I think her heart wasn't really in it somehow.

craftassistant

12-17-2008, 11:29 AM

I thought Heba actually looked great. Except she really need something more, um... "uplifting" for that outfit.

Amy P, Amy C, Phil, and Jerry all did too. I barely even recognized Phil when he came out.

Yeah Heba's outfit was terrible. Her hair was a bit flat too. But it was decent.

I loved her outfit when they went back to the Humble Pie restraunt when they came home. She needed something like that.

I just loved how incredible all the men and women looked.

Even LT and Big Tom did good. LT not as good, but Big Tom did really good. It was great hearing him say his wife has lost 35lbs. That to me says they are on board for further weight loss.

laria

12-17-2008, 11:54 AM

Yeah Heba's outfit was terrible.

I didn't think her outfit was that bad, but her "girls" were somewhere around her waist. I mean, I know when you are very large and you lose a lot of weight, there's extra skin everywhere, but really she could have worn a decent bra under that dress. :)

flyers088

12-17-2008, 12:45 PM

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/28239000/

They have up to date photos of some of the past contestants. Interesting to see that some have been able to keep up with their programs while others have let themselves go over the years.

Dssturbo1

12-17-2008, 12:50 PM

Oh Snap! Kudos to the producers/nbc for letting Ali call out that 84% as a big ole landslide :)~

Still gotta hand it to Heba and Ed since they both lost more than 54 lbs since leaving the ranch. America (her attitude) did cost her $150K by keeping her out of the final 3 since she wound up as the biggest loser of the whole season at 46.94%.

WTG Michelle!

oh man i was hoping vicky would bust her ass in those heels, lol.....

and did anyone notice that Dan from last season put out an album and it debuted at #7 on the country charts, never woulda guessed that.

laria

12-17-2008, 01:05 PM

oh man i was hoping vicky would bust her ass in those heels, lol.....

Seriously, did they coat the stage with Teflon or something? I seem to remember there being a slippery stage issue last season too.

Havana Brown

12-17-2008, 02:22 PM

IJustLikeTivo

12-17-2008, 03:23 PM

I know there's much Heba hate, but I gotta give it to the girl. She lost half her weight and she looked great. If we didn't know anything about her and it was the first time we saw her we would think differently. Now Vicky, she's still a ****** bag. She gets up at 4 and work out twice a day and doesn't spend much time with the fam. You just KNOW she can't keep that up and she'll put the weight back on.

I don't remember a season where everyone, especially the women, did so great. They all lost sooooo much weight. And those arms, they all had great arms, and Phil too!

Not Ed. His arms looked like spaghetti, Vicky's didn't look too good either. I think they lost most of their weight by diet and cardio with little lifting.

I skipped Vicky's segment, did she say that she got up at 4 and did two workouts a day?

sharkster

12-17-2008, 04:46 PM

I was LMAO that 84% of the country voted for Ed, due to Heba's b*tchiness. Even more important than that, IMO, is that said b*tchiness got her much less of a prize since she got voted off as she would have won the big prize otherwise. :D bwahaha

But MOST importantly, I was elated that the Queen Beotch, Vicky, didn't get anything!!! Sorry to gloat (ok, maybe I'm not), but nanner nanner to her and I'm glad she got her bad karma prize ... nothing.

I was ecstatic for Michelle having won. She looked so incredible and worked so hard. I was rooting for her to win. A couple of the other ladies, and gentlemen also did a great job. Both Amys looked great. I didn't want the young Amy to win anything, though, since she made the major faux pas of not voting Vicky off earlier on. Karma baby!

gchance

12-17-2008, 05:23 PM

I skipped Vicky's segment, did she say that she got up at 4 and did two workouts a day?

Yup, and she cried about her kids again as well. They showed her at the gym on a treadmill, then with a trainer, then she said she goes to work all day, and goes to the gym after. She was crying about how when she gets home from the gym, she misses out on valuable time with her kids because she gets home so late, then they showed her walk in the door, kiss and hug her kids, and they went to bed.

Yeah. That's me every DAY. Only with me it's not working out that does it, it's just going to and coming home from work. I have to work out at lunch, and the kids get me for maybe 15 minutes in the morning and 15 minutes at night.

Greg

justapixel

12-17-2008, 08:50 PM

I'm glad the meanness didn't get rewarded.

Heba looked pretty good though. Quite beautiful, in fact, and I thought she looked a little chastened. I don't think she was surprised by the vote and I think she knew exactly why it went that way.

Who dresses these people? They need a much better stylist on this show. Heba looked like she wasn't even wearing a bra, and after dropping that much weight, she can't get away with that. The pregnant host, whatever her name is, looked horrible in that dress with that black lace peeking out of the top near her moles. I couldn't tell what was mole and what was lace and I have HDTV. (I know, it's not broadcast in HD)

Okay, let me put on my moderator hat for a minute. Since the next season will be starting in just a couple weeks, the format of the threads needs to follow the "official" format. One thread per show, etc, with the air date in the subject line. I received complaints about this but at that time there seemed very little interest in this show. That interest grew and now it needs to be done correctly. Thanks to whoever starts the new season, first episode thread in advance. :)

/moderator

Go Michelle. You look stunning.

bareyb

12-17-2008, 09:18 PM

Woo Hoo! Michele wins and Vicki gets NADA!!! BWAHAHAHAHA! :D

Michele will be a good representative of the show. Just like Ali is. Who by the way, was at the local gym today taking pix with people. I wanted to meet her so bad, but I had to work. :(

Still, glad Michelle won, she was the only one I really liked. The rest of them all looked great. Even Heba is pretty stunning these days. I hope she's happy and I hope she learned something from all this. She really looked daunted after the big bombshell. Something like that has GOT to make a person take stock. I know a lot of folks become nicer people after they lose weight are are happier so maybe we can hope that will happen for Vicky. :p

Glad to hear there's another season around the corner. This is still one of my favorite shows. Vicky and Heba notwithstanding.

USAFSSO

12-17-2008, 09:52 PM

Not to bag on Heba anymore, BUT, she didn't even smile or look happy when Ed weighed in.

I think Heba is a nice person, she was just hoodwinked by Vicky. Vicky was someone she linked up at first and thought it might be detrimental if she went against Vicky. Then Ed left and she only had Vicky, and she knew she had no place to go but with Vicky.

Dssturbo1

12-18-2008, 12:20 AM

heba/ed/vicky/brady all got to watch the edited program shows and read the web/forums/blogs etc. Even if they were there in real life and still had their own views of it they still all pretty much knew they were not liked especialy vicky followed by heba.

I think she was more pissed at being called out and ali was allowed to say it was a landslide and give the exact 84/16 split. in her mind and ed i'm sure they thought it might be closer like 60/40 or 70/30. But she got called out and vicky got off with no mention of her bitchy/attitude behavior on the show.

Her revenge though was to be the $100k winer and overall knowing she was the biggest loser of the group too even if she didn't smile she could take that to the bank...........:).

IJustLikeTivo

12-18-2008, 07:32 AM

She was crying about how when she gets home from the gym, she misses out on valuable time with her kids because she gets home so late, then they showed her walk in the door, kiss and hug her kids, and they went to bed.

Her kids are young. She can't work out when they go to bed? She said what she said to engender sympathy but we're all busy. I work all day, I did grad school, I work out. When my father was dying I did work, a grad school class a trainer course that was considered 1/2 of a master and helped my mother with dad and worked out. You find ways.

Cry me a freaking river woman!

sbourgeo

12-18-2008, 09:00 AM

Her kids are young. She can't work out when they go to bed? She said what she said to engender sympathy but we're all busy. I work all day, I did grad school, I work out. When my father was dying I did work, a grad school class a trainer course that was considered 1/2 of a master and helped my mother with dad and worked out. You find ways.

I agree that she was looking for sympathy with her sob story, but I thought I had my hands full with work, school, and other responsibilities until I had kids. Having someone who requires constant supervision and is dependent on you for everything made me appreciate how much easier things were before I had kids.

FWIW, I cheered when Vicky came up short at the final weigh in. :D

IJustLikeTivo

12-18-2008, 09:24 AM

I agree that she was looking for sympathy with her sob story, but I thought I had my hands full with work, school, and other responsibilities until I had kids. Having someone who requires constant supervision and is dependent on you for everything made me appreciate how much easier things were before I had kids.

FWIW, I cheered when Vicky came up short at the final weigh in. :D

I don't dispute that kids take time but without exception I find that if things are important, you find the time. If they're not, instead, you find excuses.

I bet she has lots of time to eat and watch TV. Plus, she says they go out for dinner every night. How much time must that take?

Havana Brown

12-18-2008, 10:39 AM

I'm sure Vicky is so pissed about losing the game (she did say it was all game play) that she's going to start ballooning right away. I think Michelle and others really learned from the show.

I thought Colleen's dad and Phil both looked about 20 years younger. They looked very attractive too.

Jayjoans

12-18-2008, 11:00 AM

I chuckled after Vicki weighed in missing the number she needed to win, the audience apparently stood and applauded. The host said that the audience was giving her a standing ovation for all of her hard work, but I thought the audience was more likely applauding the fact that she did not win, more like an emotional sigh of relief from the attendees.

gchance

12-18-2008, 11:41 AM

Speaking of which, does she have a new blog entry yet? :)

Greg

Havana Brown

12-18-2008, 11:58 AM

Speaking of which, does she have a new blog entry yet? :)

Greg

We did not hear about this at the finale!

From Vicky's myspace entry:

Bob took us on a hike to the site of the first challenge so that we could see how far we had come. For me it was reliving a nightmare as my foot and hurt back still prevented me from hiking. Although I do know that I’ve come very far in my physical fitness, hiking just wasn’t one of the things I had improved.

While we were hiking Ed began to complain of pain in his abdomen. Once we got to the top of the hill and were meditating I looked over at Ed. He was pale, shaking, sweating profusely and in obvious pain. This is when my nurse instinct took over and I asked Bob to make it snappy because Ed needed medical attention. They took Ed to the hospital that day and found out he had an incarcerated hernia which needed surgery. They gave him lots of IV fluids and he actually had surgery the day after the weigh in.

I am so glad that he got the medical attention he needed and that he is going to be alright. Ed it is so unfortunate that this had to happen the day before the weigh in, after all of your hard work. Thanks so much for being my friend and making me laugh on a daily basis. It was awesome getting to know you! Love Ya, man!

IJustLikeTivo

12-18-2008, 01:24 PM

We did not hear about this at the finale!

From Vicky's myspace entry:

Bob took us on a hike to the site of the first challenge so that we could see how far we had come. For me it was reliving a nightmare as my foot and hurt back still prevented me from hiking. Although I do know that I’ve come very far in my physical fitness, hiking just wasn’t one of the things I had improved.

While we were hiking Ed began to complain of pain in his abdomen. Once we got to the top of the hill and were meditating I looked over at Ed. He was pale, shaking, sweating profusely and in obvious pain. This is when my nurse instinct took over and I asked Bob to make it snappy because Ed needed medical attention. They took Ed to the hospital that day and found out he had an incarcerated hernia which needed surgery. They gave him lots of IV fluids and he actually had surgery the day after the weigh in.

She didn't improve her hiking? I call that walking. You're either more fit and can go longer or not. Once again, a nice juicy excuse.

Ed's medical issue would explain why he looked so pale on the show. Sorry to hear about that. He was semi decent compared to the other two.

Butcher Girl

12-18-2008, 01:33 PM

It's unfortunate, but I don't think Heba learned or accepted a darn thing about herself or her behavior's impact on the finale vote, from what I've read:

..."In an interview afterward, when asked why America voted against her, she said, 'I guess there are just a lot of negative people out there who don't like to see success.'..."

Wow...she must be delusional.

IJustLikeTivo

12-18-2008, 02:01 PM

bareyb

12-18-2008, 02:12 PM

At the time America voted, we hadn't seen success. She was still losing then.

Let's change her name from Heba to Cleopatra, the Queen of Denial.

And you know? That's really the problem with Heba. I think everyone in her life has always given her exactly what she wants and she seems absolutely clueless that she is doing anything out of the ordinary or outrageous. She just thinks "anyone would do the same" and justifies it that way. After seeing those comments, it's clear she is still living in her own world. Does she work? Have a job? It almost seems like she doesn't have to live in the "real world" and simply surrounds herself with folks who do exactly what she says to do. Hopefully, this will be a wake up call, but it's not looking like it yet...

Havana Brown

12-18-2008, 02:26 PM

Honestly if I was Ed..I would be taking this experiance and running with the healthy eating portion and opening a catering business at home. Between him and Heba they could have a great little personal chef biz in the Raleigh area.

I was thinking the same thing too. They could do real well as them as role models. I still don't see how y'all think that the CONSOLATION prize wasn't all that. I know Heba looked disappointed when America didn't vote her in the finale, but she still lost the most weight and she won a money prize.

IJustLikeTivo

12-18-2008, 02:38 PM

I was thinking the same thing too. They could do real well as them as role models. I still don't see how y'all think that the CONSOLATION prize wasn't all that. I know Heba looked disappointed when America didn't vote her in the finale, but she still lost the most weight and she won a money prize.

Her prize should have been $250,000, instead it is $100,000. Why? Because her attitude sucks. That is not my idea of a role model. It won't be anyone else's either. Michelle will make way more in endorsement than she won while Heba will have to be happy with the money she won cause she won't get anymore.

I do think that with Ed's culinary skills they have a chance to build a business but she shouldn't be the front man. ( no pun intended )

Butcher Girl

12-18-2008, 04:31 PM

Wow - I just came across this juicy nugget from Michelle's post-finale interview:

...When it came to her Blue team opponents, Aguilar said that she had felt like she was "going a little bit crazy" as she observed the gameplay tactics used by Blue team members Vicky Vilcan, a 37-year-old anesthetist from Houma, LA, and Heba Salama, a 30-year-old pharmaceutical sales representative from Raleigh, NC.

"[I was like] 'Is it just me? Am I the only one who thinks they're a little bit crazy,'" Aguilar told reporters. "Then as soon as the show started airing I realized 'No, I'm not crazy" because they were that way [I remembered them] to be. I wasn't so much shocked as I was just relieved to know I wasn't crazy."

Aguilar also cited her background in television production to say that she felt Vicky had been portrayed accurately on the show.

"I actually come from a television background as an assistant director and an assistant producer, and one thing I've learned is that you can't make that kind of stuff up," Aguilar told Reality TV World.

However, she added that Vicky's naivety regarding how television shows were created likely did not help her -- especially when it came to her less than flattering confessional interviews.

"I think because Vicky was such a fan of the show going into it... I think she [felt that] everybody probably played the way she played [on the show] and that they just didn't show it. So to hear her coming out of interviews on the show and saying things like 'Oh they're never gonna use my interview' in my mind I'm thinking as a producer 'That's exactly what I'm gonna use,'" Aguilar told Reality TV World. "I think it was just a little bit of her being naive and not knowing exactly how the TV world works [too]."

Aguilar also said that, while it ended up working in their favor nonetheless, that she had not been surprised by America's overwhelming vote to send Ed Brantley, a 31-year-old chef from Raleigh, NC, into the Final 3 instead of his wife Heba.

"When we were on the ranch and they had come back in from doing their confessionals where they were asking America to vote for either [Ed] or Heba, they came in and [Heba said] 'Oh, we told America to vote for me.' A 'don't worry about it' kinda thing," Aguilar told reporters. "I just kinda said to myself 'Well that's probably a bad idea, I think that may backfire.' Nobody in America likes to be told what to do."

Wow!!!