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5thcrewman
08-04-2008, 02:35 PM
This episode took place on March 1, 1962 and Wiki backs up the historical data and refers to this episode.

ETA: It looks like a regional flight taking off right behind the jet had the best view of it going down. The airline? Mohawk.

So it looks like Peggy didn't put her kid up for adoption, nor was she allowed to keep him!!

The faux-bo-ho was funny! The revenge was even funnier! 32!!

Duck blew it and Sterling Cooper will pay.
TiVo'Brien
08-04-2008, 03:55 PM
I agree that Duck's strategy will fail. I wondered why Don didn't at least say something to the client like, "It was my preference that we keep Mohawk" rather than falling on Sterling Cooper's sword. What a crappy position to be in for Don. I was kind of amazed he turned down the hot Asian waitress.

No wonder Pete Campbell's father couldn't spring a few bucks to help Pete and his wife with the down payment on their NY apt -- he spent it all on oysters and club memberships. Pete hasn't and won't shed a tear over that cold SOB, I'm sure.

Did Cooper seem a bit addle-minded to anyone else? He wasn't in last week's episode, and this week he had barely any role. I wonder if the actor is having health problems.
Neenahboy
08-04-2008, 04:35 PM
I agree that Duck's strategy will fail. I wondered why Don didn't at least say something to the client like, "It was my preference that we keep Mohawk" rather than falling on Sterling Cooper's sword. What a crappy position to be in for Don. I was kind of amazed he turned down the hot Asian waitress.


Well, he did say it wasn't his decision and that he felt bad about how it was handled.

Wasn't really surprised about the waitress. It's clear Don's still trying to make it work with Betty (that IS what he wanted at the end of last season, after all). She's turned into quite the little bitch so far this year, though. I'm sure Don will find his way back to a mistress soon enough.
ElJay
08-04-2008, 07:20 PM
If this episode was March 1962, then it seemed a bit early for "Ue o muite arukō" to be played in the USA. I guess they got away with it since it was a Japanese(?) restaurant. The song's performer, Kyu Sakamoto, was killed in a jetliner crash.
TiVo'Brien
08-04-2008, 08:14 PM
...........The song's performer, Kyu Sakamoto, was killed in a jetliner crash.:( I did not know that.
TeighVaux
08-04-2008, 08:46 PM
Actor Christopher Allport, who played Pete Campbell's dad last season, died in real life last January in an avalanche. I see in the closing credits that the show was dedicated to him.

As far as Peggy's baby, I am a bit confused. It looks like just the aunt/grandmother have custody in some little apartment. Who were the other two little boys in the bedroom with the baby?

Betty is turning out to be a bit of a nut in a pretty package.
Regina
08-04-2008, 09:08 PM
As far as Peggy's baby, I am a bit confused. It looks like just the aunt/grandmother have custody in some little apartment. Who were the other two little boys in the bedroom with the baby?



..Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one who wondered about that too-are they her sister's out of wedlock children? Or Peggy's other 2 children who also live there and have been told she is their aunt? SCANDALOUS! :p
TeighVaux
08-04-2008, 09:32 PM
..Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one who wondered about that too-are they her sister's out of wedlock children? Or Peggy's other 2 children who also live there and have been told she is their aunt? SCANDALOUS! :p

I don't think you're alone although maybe they are just setting up that plot point. I didn't see any husbands there, at either that apartment or at the Mass for either the grandmother or the aunt.
IJustLikeTivo
08-04-2008, 09:53 PM
I don't think you're alone although maybe they are just setting up that plot point. I didn't see any husbands there, at either that apartment or at the Mass for either the grandmother or the aunt.

My assumption was that Mom and sister were widows and they just added one more kid to the brood.
cheerdude
08-05-2008, 07:28 AM
My guess is that it was the sister's ... whether she is a widow or now, we don't know (I believe).

Good episode - I definitely see them setting up the fall in regards to Mohawk/American.
5thcrewman
08-05-2008, 11:40 AM
It looks like 1962 was a bad year for 707's with 5 crashes (http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/aircraft_detail.cgi?aircraft=Boeing+707).
5thcrewman
08-05-2008, 11:41 AM
My assumption was that Mom and sister were widows and they just added one more kid to the brood.
The doctors and the courts didn't think Peggy was a fit mother. What made her sister and Mom any better?
scottykempf
08-05-2008, 12:33 PM
The faux-bo-ho was funny! The revenge was even funnier! 32!!



The operator's license said that her birthdate was February 1931, so she would only be 31.
IJustLikeTivo
08-05-2008, 12:49 PM
The doctors and the courts didn't think Peggy was a fit mother. What made her sister and Mom any better?

Did they ever say that?
anom
08-05-2008, 12:56 PM
Did they ever say that?
Peggy's sister said that the court (or doctors?) found her unfit to raise her kid. As to what made Peggy's sister more fit, I guess a family member raising kids of her own would be the court's first choice in looking for an alternate caregiver.
IJustLikeTivo
08-05-2008, 01:43 PM
Peggy's sister said that the court (or doctors?) found her unfit to raise her kid. As to what made Peggy's sister more fit, I guess a family member raising kids of her own would be the court's first choice in looking for an alternate caregiver.

Hmmm, must have missed that bit of dialog. Thanks.
5thcrewman
08-05-2008, 01:46 PM
So why was Peggy lugging around an Electrolux(?) and leaving it at her Mom's place?
anom
08-05-2008, 04:19 PM
So why was Peggy lugging around an Electrolux(?) and leaving it at her Mom's place?
I thought she had borrowed it from her.
cheerdude
08-05-2008, 04:41 PM
Hmmm, must have missed that bit of dialog. Thanks.

Peggy said "I am capable of making my own decisions."
Peggy's sister "Really? The State of New York didn't think so; the doctors didn't think so"

<thanks to IMDB>
anom
08-05-2008, 05:12 PM
Peggy said "I am capable of making my own decisions."
Peggy's sister "Really? The State of New York didn't think so; the doctors didn't think so"

<thanks to IMDB>
That reminded me that I was trying to figure out who the actress was who played Peggy's sister.

It was the same woman who plays the neighbor on Big Love. I knew that I knew her from somewhere. What would we do without IMDB?
USAFSSO
08-05-2008, 11:46 PM
Great episode. Nice to see the other characters and their lives. I know they said we will see more of that this season.

Betty is definitely asserting her self. "I know what little boys want" something like that

Either Don looks good after this airline fiasco, and Duck gets the boot. Or he starts looking at the other firm. (season cliff hanger)
balboa dave
08-06-2008, 03:08 AM
If this episode was March 1962, then it seemed a bit early for "Ue o muite arukō" to be played in the USA. I guess they got away with it since it was a Japanese(?) restaurant. The song's performer, Kyu Sakamoto, was killed in a jetliner crash.Since you want to be picky about it, it was released in Japan in 1961, so it's perfectly reasonable a Japanese restaurant could have been playing it. :)
PJO1966
08-06-2008, 12:04 PM
"I'm in the persuasion field, and frankly I'm a little disappointed in your presentation."

"A bouquet of thoughts"

Best lines in the episode.
Cindy1230
08-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Superb acting by Elizabeth Moss and the kid. She didn't have one ounce of concern for him when he was crying in the church, purely ambivalent. He was just crying his eyes out by not wanting to be held by her... Well that probably wasn't acting on the kid's part but quite a scene.

Did you guys notice the pink elephant that Pete's wife was holding?
Was it to be taken literally as the 'pink elephant in the room' or a consequence of grief, trying not to completely lose it and not knowing what to do ?

And little Sally making the drinks. Wow.
anom
08-06-2008, 02:58 PM
And little Sally making the drinks. Wow.
I loved that little touch.

I now have big plans for my two year old. <surfs amazon.com for preschool picture books of cocktail recipes>
TiVo'Brien
08-06-2008, 03:15 PM
Superb acting by Elizabeth Moss and the kid. She didn't have one ounce of concern for him when he was crying in the church, purely ambivalent. He was just crying his eyes out by not wanting to be held by her... Well that probably wasn't acting on the kid's part but quite a scene.

Did you guys notice the pink elephant that Pete's wife was holding?
Was it to be taken literally as the 'pink elephant in the room' or a consequence of grief, trying not to completely lose it and not knowing what to do ?

And little Sally making the drinks. Wow.I'm always shocked by how much alcohol these people consume. Those were the days, though, drinkin' and smokin', smokin' and drinkin'. My family had lots of ash trays and special glasses for certain types of drinks. I used to make a gin and tonic for my mom now and then.

Thanks for pointing out Peggy's indifference to her baby's crying. As a non-father, that went completely over my head. I watched the episode twice and both times I sat trying to figure out why the director found that so important.

I didn't get the point of the obvious pink elephant reference. :confused:
USAFSSO
08-06-2008, 07:33 PM
...And little Sally making the drinks. Wow.

I loved that little touch.

I now have big plans for my two year old. <surfs amazon.com for preschool picture books of cocktail recipes>


I remember making my parents drinks when I was a kid. Granted it was vodka martinis (gibsons). Once and a while I would accidentally use gin. Still remeber the looks on their faces. :D
TiVo Bum
08-06-2008, 08:38 PM
Still remeber the looks on their faces. :DI'll never forget the look on my mother's face when I was about 7 or 8 and I came in from playing outside one day in the middle of the afternoon and my mom's there playing cards with the other housewives in the neighborhood with a big glass of Coke sitting next to her. Asked her if I could have some and she said, "Sure, go ahead." Took a BIG swig and did the world's best spit take when I tasted rum for the first time. And there was a lot of it. Boy, did those ladies laugh their asses off. Totally ruined their deck of cards though. :)

Also won't forget the whupping I got from my dad when I took the church key for some unremembered mischief, subsequently lost it and dad couldn't open his Carling Black Labels that night.

This show really hits home for me. Both my parents smoked incessantly. Took many long, painful years before my mom's emphysema finally did her in. Don't know how my father is still alive - he smoked up to 5 packs a day for almost 30 years before a quadruple bypass put an end to that.

I enjoy this show - but it's a real uncomfortable enjoyment.
JLucPicard
08-17-2008, 12:58 PM
The faux-bo-ho was funny! The revenge was even funnier! 32!!
OK, I'm kind of embarrassed to ask this because it's probably obvious, but after trying Google & Wikipedia, I'm coming up blank.

Faux-bo-ho? As the kid in the ending credits of Bones so eloquently put's it - What's that mean?
5thcrewman
08-17-2008, 02:43 PM
OK, I'm kind of embarrassed to ask this because it's probably obvious, but after trying Google & Wikipedia, I'm coming up blank.

Faux-bo-ho? As the kid in the ending credits of Bones so eloquently put's it - What's that mean?

I'm talkin' 'bout Michael Gladis aka Paul Kinsey. The beard wearin', black woman datin' ad man that soo wants to be SoHo but lives in Jersey.

Faux : Fake
Bo-ho : Bohemian