Doctor Who - 8/1/2008 - Journey's End

[IndyJones1023]

Damn, that was a nice, long, satisfying and thrilling conclusion to a great two-parter!

[LoadStar]

Ok, to sidetrack slightly - now that you have finally seen this episode, go and try and find the Doctor Who Proms. It's a concert featuring music from Doctor Who, and it includes appearances by Freema Ageyman (Martha Jones), Camille Coduri (Jackie Tyler), Noel Clarke (Mickey Smith), Catherine Tate (Donna Noble), and Julian Bleach (Davros). The best part - the performance of "Song of Freedom," the music that played in the background of this episode while the TARDIS was pulling the Earth back into place, was _magnitudes_ better than the version that was actually used in the episode.

[trainman]

Review of the episode (and last week's) (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-doctorwho23-2008aug02,0,4034646.story), by an admitted fan, from today's L.A. Times. (Yes, the accompanying picture is not from the finale, although that seems to be implied by the caption.)

I can't help but foresee future problems with the "if Donna remembers anything, her brain will explode" plot point. "Donna, I'm taking your grandfather to the doctor." "Careful, Donna, they're paving the street with fresh tar. This is what happened to my shoe."

[kmccbf]

This was my fav. episode of the series this year.

Donna was great in this one, for a least a while. If there is every a female Doctor, I would love to see her get the part.

It will be interesting to see what happens now with the series. I never thought I would say this, but I will miss Donna.

[IndyJones1023]

They certainly changed my mind about Donna. But I'm looking forward to a new companion. I wouldn't mind seeing her guest in a two-parter in the future.

Now, what's the deal? Is this the last Who until 2010?

[emandbri]

I loved the episode! It was so cool to see everyone together and I'm excited to see more of Micky.

I thought it was great and thought Catherine Tate did a great job with all the techno babble she had to do. I was also impressed with Freema Ageyman's German.

I know we have to wait for Doctor who but is torchwood coming back next year?

[LoadStar]

Now, what's the deal? Is this the last Who until 2010?

It's the next regularly scheduled Who until then. Next year will feature 4 specials, then the show returns for a full series in 2010.

I know we have to wait for Doctor who but is torchwood coming back next year?

Torchwood is also doing the "special" thing - they're doing a 5 episode, one week thing, I believe.

[drew2k]

Great ending to a great season. I will really miss Catherine Tate as Donna Noble - she was my favorite companion. Lots of funny moments, especially when the Human Doctor started to mimic Donna's voice patterns: "No way! Oy! Stop it!" Also when Captain Jack saw the Doctor, DoctorDonna, and Human Doctor and commented, "You have no idea what I'm thinking right now", and when Captain Jack was priming the pumps on the Tardis and Donna commented that he was the best, he knew just what he was doing. ;)

:lol:

It's going to be a long wait until the Christmas special and the next season...

[spikedavis]

Ah yes-I can finally speak about this episode.

I freaking loved it. My favorite part though is the end with Wilf. "Everynight...when the stars come out. I'll look up and think of you. On her behalf."

Cue tears.

[mitchb2]

Great job of finding a way for Rose and The Doctor to be together. Wow.

So do we know who the new companion will be?

[pgogborn]

It's the next regularly scheduled Who until then. Next year will feature 4 specials, then the show returns for a full series in 2010.Reaching for my pedant's hat.

The next special, the Christmas special, from the point of view of people watching it on the BBC, will squeeze into this year.

[pgogborn]

I was also impressed with Freema Ageyman's German.German Lesson

If you were wondering about some of the dialogue during Martha's trip to Germany, Script Editor Lindsey Alford and Kevin Myers offer these handy translations!:

FX: way off in the distance, DALEKS, in the air, gliding slowly through the trees.

DALEKS: Exterminieren! Exterminieren! Halt! Sonst werden wir Sie exterminieren! Sie sind jetzt ein Gefangener der Daleks! Exterminieren! Exterminieren!

Translation: Exterminate! Exterminate! Stop! Or you will be exterminated. You are a prisoner of the Daleks. Exterminate! Exterminate!

Martha heads off in the opposite direction. Scurrying away into the darkness. On a mission.



OLD WOMAN: Hier ist niemand. Was immer Sie wollen, gehen Sie fort. Lassen Sie mich in Ruhe.

Translation: There's no one here. Whatever you want, just go away. Leave me alone.

The OLD WOMAN's hostile, standing on the path.

MARTHA: Ich heisse Martha Jones. Ich komme von UNIT. Agentin fuenf sechs sechs sieben eins, von der medizinishen Abteilung.

Translation: I'm called Martha Jones. I come from UNIT. Agent 5, 6, 6, 7, 1. Medical officer.

OLD WOMAN: Es hiess Sie kaemen vorbei.

Translation: They said you might come.



OLD WOMAN: Sie sind der Albtraum. Nicht die anderen, Sie! Ich sollte Sie umbringen, am besten gleich jetzt!

Translation: You are the nightmare. It's not them, it's you! I should kill you right now!

MARTHA: Then do it.

And Martha just steps into the lift.

The Old Woman lowers her gun, defeated, shaking.

OLD WOMAN: Marta. Zur Hoelle mit Dir.

Translation: Martha. You're going straight to Hell >
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/episodes/?episode=s4_13&action=factfile .

[Sherminator]

There was a big debate over at The Doctor Who Forum (formerly Outpost Gallifrey), that Exterminieren isn't a proper German word. The correct wording should have been "abschaffen Sie".


So.... To speculate about another show, what's the betting that Micky and Martha are to replace Toshiko and Owen?

[pgogborn]

There was a big debate over at The Doctor Who Forum (formerly Outpost Gallifrey), that Exterminieren isn't a proper German word. The correct wording should have been "abschaffen Sie".


So.... To speculate about another show, what's the betting that Micky and Martha are to replace Toshiko and Owen?But who is going to tell a Dalek "you're so thick! You're mister thick thickity thick face from thicktown thickannia. And so is your Dad!"

As for Martha there could be a difference between intent and outcome.

[5thcrewman]

All the Pepperpots blew their tops! Achoo!

[Unbeliever]

I noticed that Tennant let his Scottish accent through for the Gallifreyan Doctor, and kept the English accent for the DonnaDoctor.

--Carlos V.

[Anubys]

what a great ending...Even Donna did a great job (I'm still elated that she's gone)...

it was really funny when they were celebrating on the TARDIS and Donna yanked the PM away from Jack so she can hug him...very nicely done :D

it sucks to hear that we'll have to wait so long for another series...

can someone explain the Doctor's conversation with Gwen? he asked about her name and she mentioned something about her family going back to the 1800...didn't get what his "knowing" comment after that was about...

[keyzersoce]

can someone explain the Doctor's conversation with Gwen? he asked about her name and she mentioned something about her family going back to the 1800...didn't get what his "knowing" comment after that was about...



Eve Myles, who plays Gwen, was in a Dr. Who episode: "The Unquiet Dead".
She played Gwyneth, a psychic, and servant girl at a funeral parlor in Cardiff. She helps the Doctor, Rose, and Charles Dickens stop an attack by the "Gelth", depicted as blue vapors. The funeral parlor was built on a rift in space and time, which the Doctor assumes gives Gwyneth her psychic ability and allows the Gelth to cross. Gwyneth sacrifices herself to destroy the invaders.

[justen_m]

They certainly changed my mind about Donna.
+1

I like the assertive, aggressive, combative Donna. Doctor Donna is good, too. I just hate the whiny, crying Donna.

[drew2k]

So.... To speculate about another show, what's the betting that Micky and Martha are to replace Toshiko and Owen?Speculation: I can see Mickey joining Torchwood Cardiff. For sure he'll given Ianto something else to be jealous of ... :p

As for Martha ...
Can't recall where I read this but she has already signed on for a new series, so she likely won't be going to Torchwood.

[Sherminator]

Yep, Freema Agyeman was to appear in TW S3, but has been let go because she has accepted a lead in an series filmed for a competing UK channel.

[Ladd Morse]

This two part ending would have been an extremely satisfying ending to the absolute last Dr. Who series to ever be produced. To know that more are coming, albeit with a very long wait, is just icing on the cake.

Think of the number of series-ending shows we've seen that were barely sufficient (a small number compared to the ones that outright sucked) and be amazed once again at how good the two Dr. Who eps were.

[emandbri]

Eve Myles, who plays Gwen, was in a Dr. Who episode: "The Unquiet Dead".
She played Gwyneth, a psychic, and servant girl at a funeral parlor in Cardiff.

Thanks I didn't catch that! I thought maybe they were setting something up for a future episode.

[Weezoh]

Having just watched this tonight we had a question -- Who locked the TARDIS door on Donna? I think we have seen the TARDIS act on its own on occasion but was wondering if we missed something here.

[busyba]

Having just watched this tonight we had a question -- Who locked the TARDIS door on Donna? I think we have seen the TARDIS act on its own on occasion but was wondering if we missed something here.

I think it was Caan.

[cheesesteak]

I think it was Caan.
I loved Dalek Caan's voice.

I thought the actor playing Davros did a great job. One of my favorite classic Who episodes is Genesis of the Daleks - a Tom Baker episode with Sarah Jane Smith - that tells the story of the origin of the Daleks.

Donna's father's salute to the Doctor at the episode's end got to me.

I hope Mickey joins Torchwood. I've always enjoyed his character.

Catherine Tate did good.

If I were king of the world, we'd get a weekly Best Of Classic Doctor Who episode when the 2009 specials aren't on.

[dcheesi]

I think it was Caan.*CAAAAAAAN!!!!*

Oops, wrong franchise ;)

[danterner]

*CAAAAAAAN!!!!*

Oops, wrong franchise ;)

:D

There was quite a bit of franchise-crossover going on in this episode:

I posted some comparison pics over here (http://daniel-terner.blogspot.com/).

[Magister]

:D

There was quite a bit of franchise-crossover going on in this episode:

I posted some comparison pics over here (http://daniel-terner.blogspot.com/).

I will say that look of Davros predates Palpatine...

[danterner]

I will say that look of Davros predates Palpatine...

I agree. If anyone borrowed from anyone, it was Lucas borrowing from Doctor Who. But in this episode, it just seemed (probably coincidentally) that Davies was stealing a page right back.

[pgogborn]

Davros has long had the ability to fire electric bolts from his hand (although there is now a convergence in the quality of the rendition of Doctor Who and Hollywood special effects).

But Davros is a Thor wannabe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Thor.jpg

(he is not noble enough to be Zeus)

[Fl_Gulfer]

The way I see it that could have been filmed as the last episode just incase Tennant dosen't come back after his stint with the stage.
And the way the world is going who knows if any of us will be around in 2010.

[Rob Helmerichs]

The way I see it that could have been filmed as the last episode just incase Tennant dosen't come back after his stint with the stage.
...except we know he's coming back for the specials...

[IndyJones1023]

...except we know he's coming back for the specials...

Perhaps that was still an unknown quantity at the time this script was written.

[busyba]

:D

There was quite a bit of franchise-crossover going on in this episode:

I posted some comparison pics over here (http://daniel-terner.blogspot.com/).

"R4-E1 versus Supreme Dalek"

Dude... No contest! That's like astronauts versus comatose cavemen. :)


You're article should have had an honorable mention for Davros channeling Rocky Horror when he spoke of a bomb that would "destroy reality.... ITSELF!!" :D

[pgogborn]

What I want to know is, when the Dalek eye pods snapped upward when the Supreme Commander came on the bridge were they channeling a Nazi salute or were they channeling an erection.

[busyba]

What I want to know is, when the Dalek eye pods snapped upward when the Supreme Commander came on the bridge were they channeling a Nazi salute or were they channeling an erection.

What's the difference? :D

[5thcrewman]

What I want to know is, when the Dalek eye pods snapped upward when the Supreme Commander came on the bridge were they channeling a Nazi salute or were they channeling an erection.

Extermineren! Extermineren!

[Idearat]

Extermineren! Extermineren!

Someone commented that "Extermineren" isn't German for "Exterminate". Maybe it's German for "schwing!"

[cheesesteak]

I try not to think of Dalek johnsons.

[sushikitten]

Must. Download. This.

I have started watching over hubby's shoulder and now I enjoy it. :) Unfortunately, our cable company decided to do an update, which turned our cable box off so we missed part 2. :mad:

[Agatha Mystery]

Must. Download. This.

I have started watching over hubby's shoulder and now I enjoy it. :) Unfortunately, our cable company decided to do an update, which turned our cable box off so we missed part 2. :mad:

Well, you know where to get wasted....;)

[sushikitten]

Well, you know where to get wasted....;)

True.

But our computer is messed up and we cannot connect. Have to troubleshoot tonight.

[BitbyBlit]

It didn't make sense to me why the Doctor needed to disable Jack's teleport device. When the Doctor temporarily enabled it during last season, disabling it again made sense. But this time Jack fixed it himself.

[Cainebj]

well i don't have much to add but agree with all of you this was one helluva satisfying episode.
pure genius to bring everyone back together. a gazillion :up:

[Church AV Guy]

well i don't have much to add but agree with all of you this was one helluva satisfying episode.
pure genius to bring everyone back together. a gazillion :up:

:up:

I was in Doctor Who heaven. When Davros recognized Sarah, I think I stopped breathing for a moment. Rarely does any show bring up the past in such a way, and here they were going back to what, 1975? It was incredible, and very well written. As has been said here many times, what an amazing episode. This would have made a superb series finale, and yet the series will go on. :up:

[Mars Rocket]

I loved it as well.

So in the end, when Rose asks the Doctor what the end of the sentence was...

1. Did Gallifreyen Doctor purposely hold back because he knew the human Doctor would tell her?

2. Did he just find it too hard to say it, given that he was going to be leaving her forever...again, or

3. Is he just a weenie and couldn't bring himself to say it?

[Mars Rocket]

One more thing: wouldn't a human Doctor make for a lousy life partner? I would think he would always be depressed and longing for his other life. Rose got a bad deal, and I think she knew it.

[busyba]

I loved it as well.

So in the end, when Rose asks the Doctor what the end of the sentence was...

1. Did Gallifreyen Doctor purposely hold back because he knew the human Doctor would tell her?

2. Did he just find it too hard to say it, given that he was going to be leaving her forever...again, or

3. Is he just a weenie and couldn't bring himself to say it?

First off, the appropriate terms to differentiate them are "Doctor Who" and "Doctor Two". :D ("Doctor Blue" also works.)

As for the question, my feelings are that it's #3; he just didn't have it in him to say those words, but Doctor Two could because of the humanity he inherited.

[Ian]

I agree, it's number three.

The Doctor (1) didn't WANT to say it, and Doctor (Blue) didn't remember what he was going to say (don't forget, he grew from a hand chopped off from the main body long before that "sentence" moment took place)... he said it because, in becoming part-human, he was ABLE to and WANTED to.

So there.

-Ian

[busyba]

Doctor (Blue) didn't remember what he was going to say (don't forget, he grew from a hand chopped off from the main body long before that "sentence" moment took place)...

I don't know if this was something that got edited from the SciFi version, but there was dialogue to indicate that Doctor Blue had all the knowledge and memories of the original Doctor, going right up until he was spawned, not just up until the hand had gotten chopped off.

Something about having been hit with the residual regenerative energy from the main Doctor at the beginning of the episode, IIRC.


Keep in mind, if Doctor Two was only a copy of The Doctor from the moment that the hand was chopped off, he wouldn't have had any reason to love Rose. Not yet. All those feelings were developed over the course of the second season, after the amputation.

[Magister]

Keep in mind, if Doctor Two was only a copy of The Doctor from the moment that the hand was chopped off, he wouldn't have had any reason to love Rose. Not yet. All those feelings were developed over the course of the second season, after the amputation.

Yes he would, since he is human... SHE IS HOT!!! Wouldn't take much to have feelings for the hottie blonde.

[busyba]

Yes he would, since he is human... SHE IS HOT!!! Wouldn't take much to have feelings for the hottie blonde.

Well I was talking about his heart; I think you're talking about a different body part. ;)

[pgogborn]

One more thing: wouldn't a human Doctor make for a lousy life partner? I would think he would always be depressed and longing for his other life. Rose got a bad deal, and I think she knew it.Aparantly in a bit of the original Russell T Davis script that did not make it to air Doctor Who gave Doctor Two a bit of coral from the TARDIS so that he could grow his own time machine.

Simon Moffat's, the new chief Doctor Who showrunner, take on why Doctor Who dumped Rose runs thus“You have to hand it to the Doctor for dumping a slightly needy girlfriend by palming her off on a copy of himself.

“He tried leaving her in a parallel universe and that didn’t work!” >
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1493528.ece

However, I reckon the basic thing is the Curse of the Time Lords. As he previously told Rose "I don't age, I regenerate, but humans decay. You whither and you die, imagine watching that happen to...
See and hear the Doctor emote it on YouTube >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kb-s1EvL58

As Donna pointed out, Rose was given the gift of a Doctor who would grow old with her.

[TAsunder]

I guess I'm in the vast minority, but I found these past three episodes increasingly disappointing. Everyone was having way too much fun, it was far too self-impressed, the tone was off, and it just didn't feel like anything beyond a cheeky romp throw-away episode. Certainly these few episodes did not even come close to the level of quality Moffat demonstrated in the library episodes.

The daleks were, if this is possible, overstated. Everyone cowered in fear at the first mention of them, and then somehow they blasted them apart two seconds later. Suddenly everyone has massive superweapons they are ready to use conveniently. All the little moments of reunion were just way too cheesy and "reuniony". Nevermind the pseudo-science which was particularly heavy on "pseudo" and overwhelmingly blabbering.

These episodes reminded me of Doctor Who before it started up again a few years back. It was just fluffy 60's camp. Whereas the series has in the past used fluffy camp in a sort of intentional parody of itself, this little arc actually seemed to take the fluff seriously and believe it is high quality stuff. It isn't.

[danterner]

I can't comment on your last paragraph there, TAsunder, as I'm not a long-term watcher of the show and only started watching with the first Eccleston episode when the series started up again in 2005. However, I agree with the other points you raised. I felt the same. That doesn't mean I didn't like the episode; I just didn't like it as much as I was hoping to. I'm going to plagiarize myself and borrow from some comments I made in another forum, explaining why I feel the way I do:

In an impressive bit of prestidigitation, in an episode filled with more deus ex machina than the tardis itself, Davies has pulled 27 plot devices and carefully seeded clues from across the series - putting them into perfect alignment to deliver the ultimate, all-powerful finale. Yet, like the reality bomb itself, in the end it kinda sorta just backfired and fizzled for me. I’m not quite sure why.

Maybe it’s because I just feel bad for Donna: I really like Donna. I wanted her to have a better resolution. Better to die a hero than live on as an unwitting temp. And I also wanted for it to turn out that SHE was special for herself, not that she was special because the DOCTOR is special and because she became a part of a Doctor trinity.

Maybe it’s because, at the crescendo of the episode, dramatic and awesome music swelling in the background, it occurred to me that the Crucible looked a heck of a lot like the Death Star in the midst of its firing sequence, and that Davros looked a whole lot like the Emperor. Just as that dawned on me, Davros started shooting electricity bolts from his fingertips. Arguably, Star Wars owes more to Doctor Who than vice versa, given how long the series has been around, but in that particular moment it struck me that Davies seemed to be stealing a page back from Lucas.

Maybe it’s because, although I’m a fan, I’m not a long-term fan and so bits of the fan service were lost on me. I could tell when they were happening, but the impact was dulled. I imagine seeing K-9 was probably an “oh, cool!” moment for long-term fans of the show, for example. Or that there was an episode in the Sarah Jane Adventures where she was actually given the warp star necklace. Not having that sort of history with the Who Universe, those moments just kind of came off as more machina to me.

Maybe it’s because Rose never really seemed like Rose. She seemed to have fewer problems speaking around her own teeth this episode, but she just didn’t seem like quite the same character she had been.

Maybe it’s because I didn’t really get the Donna/Jack flirtation. It’s part of Jack’s character, to be sure, but Donna seemed to be the one doing all the flirting. For some reason that just didn’t read quite right to me.

Maybe it's because I couldn't quite figure out why the Doctor didn't want Jack teleporting, or who exactly closed the TARDIS door on Donna, or why the Doctor was petty with Jackie and told her to keep her hands off the controls.

All in all, I think I’m mostly happy with the way things wrapped up for this season, and Doctor Who continues to be amongst my favorite shows. I know I’ve focused on the imperfections, but on the whole I really did like this finale. (Just not quite as unreservedly as I wanted to).

[dcheesi]

I guess I'm in the vast minority, but I found these past three episodes increasingly disappointing. Everyone was having way too much fun, it was far too self-impressed, the tone was off, and it just didn't feel like anything beyond a cheeky romp throw-away episode. Certainly these few episodes did not even come close to the level of quality Moffat demonstrated in the library episodes.

The daleks were, if this is possible, overstated. Everyone cowered in fear at the first mention of them, and then somehow they blasted them apart two seconds later. Suddenly everyone has massive superweapons they are ready to use conveniently. All the little moments of reunion were just way too cheesy and "reuniony". Nevermind the pseudo-science which was particularly heavy on "pseudo" and overwhelmingly blabbering.

These episodes reminded me of Doctor Who before it started up again a few years back. It was just fluffy 60's camp. Whereas the series has in the past used fluffy camp in a sort of intentional parody of itself, this little arc actually seemed to take the fluff seriously and believe it is high quality stuff. It isn't.+1 That's the "cheese factor" I kept feeling, but couldn't put a finger on...

[whitson77]

Any word on the new companion? I might have missed it in this thread even. :)

[LoadStar]

Any word on the new companion? I might have missed it in this thread even. :)

I doubt they'll select a new companion until sometime next year. The specials throughout the year next year will probably be all like the recent Christmas specials - if there is a companion, it will only be for that special.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I doubt they'll select a new companion until sometime next year. The specials throughout the year next year will probably be all like the recent Christmas specials - if there is a companion, it will only be for that special.
Rumor has it that Tennant has told them whether or not he's coming back after the Year Of Specials, but that nobody's talking. If that rumor's NOT true, there's no way they would hire a new companion until they knew who she (he?) would be playing against.

[keyzersoce]

Any word on the new companion? I might have missed it in this thread even. :)

In a perverse way, I'm sort of hoping he takes Donna's grandfather along for one trip. The old guy would enjoy it so much until the Doctor yelled: "RUN!!!"

[busyba]

Any word on the new companion? I might have missed it in this thread even. :)

I heard a rumor that it might be his daughter.

(who, incidentally, Tennant is currently banging in real life. So that's going to make for some odd on-screen father/daughter chemistry. :D)

[DianaMo]

I thought that he was referring to the early Torchwood employees from 1901.

However Wiki agrees with your comments...

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Gwyneth

can someone explain the Doctor's conversation with Gwen? he asked about her name and she mentioned something about her family going back to the 1800...didn't get what his "knowing" comment after that was about...



Eve Myles, who plays Gwen, was in a Dr. Who episode: "The Unquiet Dead".
She played Gwyneth, a psychic, and servant girl at a funeral parlor in Cardiff. She helps the Doctor, Rose, and Charles Dickens stop an attack by the "Gelth", depicted as blue vapors. The funeral parlor was built on a rift in space and time, which the Doctor assumes gives Gwyneth her psychic ability and allows the Gelth to cross. Gwyneth sacrifices herself to destroy the invaders.

[DianaMo]

Let's see, when Romana 1 stayed in E-space, she received her own K-9.

Sarah Jane has also received a K-9 unit (or two) as a parting gift.

When Rose saw that she was getting the dimmer copy of the Doctor, she should have realized that "I could've had a K-9!". <groan!>

Why was the copy dimmer than the original? We learned that in Multiplicity.

Why didn't the real Doc want to stay with Rose?

He knew that his future wife wasn't Rose and needed to stay available for the Doctor who is from ER.

:up:

I was in Doctor Who heaven. When Davros recognized Sarah, I think I stopped breathing for a moment. Rarely does any show bring up the past in such a way, and here they were going back to what, 1975? It was incredible, and very well written. As has been said here many times, what an amazing episode. This would have made a superb series finale, and yet the series will go on. :up:

[spikedavis]

Rumor has it that Tennant has told them whether or not he's coming back after the Year Of Specials, but that nobody's talking. If that rumor's NOT true, there's no way they would hire a new companion until they knew who she (he?) would be playing against.

and unfortunately, my feeling on that is if he has told the BBC his decision and they are keeping it quiet from the press....it has to mean he's leaving. Otherwise why wouldn't they tout it? And if he is leaving, then why even take the extra year off?

[DianaMo]

David Tennant is starring as Hamlet for the Royal Shakespeare Company. Directed by Gregory Doran and designed by Robert Jones, the production will run in rep at the Courtyard theatre in Stratford until November 15 2008. These are photographs from dress rehearsals.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/gallery/2008/jul/31/david.tennant.theatre.shakespeare?picture=336095864

[Rob Helmerichs]

and unfortunately, my feeling on that is if he has told the BBC his decision and they are keeping it quiet from the press....it has to mean he's leaving. Otherwise why wouldn't they tout it? And if he is leaving, then why even take the extra year off?
I suspect either way, they want it to be Big Honkin' News at a time of their choosing. Now would not benefit them at all, with no Doctor Who coming along for quite a while.

[whitson77]

I heard a rumor that it might be his daughter.

(who, incidentally, Tennant is currently banging in real life. So that's going to make for some odd on-screen father/daughter chemistry. :D)

I did a search on that and saw that rumor too. In fact that's why I came back to this thread. I would be very pleased with that choice. She's very cute and had charisma. And the writing the last two seasons has been greatness almost every episode IMO. That Greg Moffat (could be a spelling mistake there!) guy rules.

[LoadStar]

and unfortunately, my feeling on that is if he has told the BBC his decision and they are keeping it quiet from the press....it has to mean he's leaving. Otherwise why wouldn't they tout it? And if he is leaving, then why even take the extra year off?

The extra year isn't strictly for David's benefit. It's also due to the BBC entering a major budget saving mode. It has something to do with the license fee not going up as much as they had expected or needed, as I understand.

[pgogborn]

Regarding Georgia Moffett (the Doctor's Daughter) I have noticed her in trailers for a spin off from the BBC 1 show Spooks.

It seems she will have a major role in Spooks Code 9, starting Sunday 10th August 2008, 9pm on BBC 3 (I am assuming that they are not going to kill her off in episode 1).

[dianebrat]

Regarding Georgia Moffett (the Doctor's Daughter) I have noticed her in trailers for a spin off from the BBC 1 show Spooks.

It seems she will have a major role in Spooks Code 9, starting Sunday 10th August 2008, 9pm on BBC 3 (I am assuming that they are not going to kill her off in episode 1).

You never know, look what Torchwood pulled off both before they premiered, and then after.

they pre-hyped it as if Suzie was one of the leads for the show, then killed her off in the first episode, it was brilliant!

Diane

[Fleegle]

Regarding Georgia Moffett (the Doctor's Daughter) I have noticed her in trailers for a spin off from the BBC 1 show Spooks.

It seems she will have a major role in Spooks Code 9, starting Sunday 10th August 2008, 9pm on BBC 3 (I am assuming that they are not going to kill her off in episode 1).

Heh, she's purty!

[nirisahn]

I heard a rumor that it might be his daughter.

(who, incidentally, Tennant is currently banging in real life. So that's going to make for some odd on-screen father/daughter chemistry. :D)

The Doctor doesn't know she's alive. I think it would be a really cool episode to have them come face-to-face, even if she doesn't turn out to be the new companion.

[Rob Helmerichs]

The Doctor doesn't know she's alive.
Well, there are five extra-length episodes before the next season starts for him to find out...

[pgogborn]

You never know, look what Torchwood pulled off both before they premiered, and then after.

they pre-hyped it as if Suzie was one of the leads for the show, then killed her off in the first episode, it was brilliant!

DianeYep, Spooks Code 9 killed off one of the leads in the first show - but it wasn't the 'Doctor's Daughter')

[JohnB1000]

Well thanks for that pgogborn, I don't come into Dr Who threads expecting to see unannounced spoilers for completely different shows :)

[pgogborn]

Well thanks for that pgogborn, I don't come into Dr Who threads expecting to see unannounced spoilers for completely different shows :)But I did use spoilers and it was a follow from a post that specifically mentioned that show and its specific connection with Doctor Who.

I do not cater for smeekers :)

[dianebrat]

But I did use spoilers and it was a follow from a post that specifically mentioned that show and its specific connection with Doctor Who.

I gotta say it too, that was really uncalled for, my spoiler was announced, it was clear it was a Torchwood spoiler, yours was not at all announced, and now I know something about a show I was planning to watch that I can't "un-know"

faux pas, I'd even ask since it was driven off my Torchwood spoiler, I'd prefer it be edited so no one else is spoiled by it the way we were.

Diane

[Fleegle]

The 2nd season of Torchwood has aired here in the US on both BBCAmerica and on HDNet. How long should we hold spoilers from the first season?

BTW, Kristen shot JR and Maggie shot Mr. Burns!

[Rob Helmerichs]

The 2nd season of Torchwood has aired here in the US on both BBCAmerica and on HDNet. How long should we hold spoilers from the first season?

BTW, Kristen shot JR and Maggie shot Mr. Burns!
But she's talking about a spoiler from a show (Spooks Code 9) that aired a couple of nights ago.

I hate spoiler nazis as much as anybody, but in this case she's absolutely right. There was no way of knowing that a key plot point in that particular show would be revealed.

[Fleegle]

Ah, well that's understandable... I thought she was complaining about the Torchwood episode 1 thing...

[pgogborn]

Sometimes the makers of a show want you to anticipate something is going to happen, even if you don't know who it is going to happen to.

Long term Spooks fans should already know this and it contains information about what I think the makers of Spooks Code 9 WANTED the viewers to be thinking from the get go - but you may not agreeIn Spooks series 1 a very big moment was the early killing of a main character. As far as I can tell Spooks Code 9 was set up to have people wondering who of the main characters was going to be killed.

A bit like the Doctor Who Titanic episode was set up to have you wondering who would make it off the ship. But perhaps not so obvious to casual Spook viewers as to casual Doctor Who viewers.

Definite spoiler about Spooks Code 9Nice switch, instead of killing off the office clerk they killed off the ranking officer - and did it in episode 1 rather than episode 2.