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classicX

07-31-2008, 02:26 PM

How's tricks?

sieglinde

07-31-2008, 06:47 PM

Huh?

IndyJones1023

07-31-2008, 08:12 PM

This should be in Happy Hour.

We watched it. It wasn't all that good. Enjoyable for the familiarity factor, but ho-hum story-wise.

vertigo235

07-31-2008, 08:27 PM

It was much better than Ark of Truth though.

Generic

07-31-2008, 08:28 PM

Waiting for it to come out on Unbox.

bobvr

07-31-2008, 09:00 PM

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=398368&highlight=stargate

JustAllie

07-31-2008, 10:14 PM

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=398368&highlight=stargate
I'm not posting in a "leaked" thread. To me that seems like supporting bootlegging.

Anyway, I watched the movie and am now watching the extras on the DVD. I liked it more than Ark of Truth, definitely.

I liked the fact that they got back to some of the "classic" villains and themes of Stargate. I've kinda missed the Goa'uld. :D

I didn't like the fact that Michael Shanks yet again phoned in his performance, and he couldn't be bothered to travel to the Arctic to film his scenes up there with some of the others. :rolleyes: His loss, that was an incredible opportunity that he passed up.

JustAllie

07-31-2008, 10:26 PM

IndyJones1023

07-31-2008, 11:09 PM

By the way, given the millions (or billions) who have been killed by the Goa'uld and the Ori and the Wraith and so on in the past few years in the Stargate universe, was it really the "right" thing to do for them to go back and fix the timeline?!?

I think the ultimate defeat of the "bad guys" in the "proper" timeline trumps the "new" "timeline" "created" by "Ba'al" with his "time machine."

PS - I "like" quotation "marks."

gastrof

08-01-2008, 02:23 AM

I posted this on another forum...the title was something like "Why I may hate Continuum".

Spoilerly goodness follows

On the "making of" video, they said "It's like working on one of the earlier seasons!"

For me, it was NOT like watching one of the earlier episodes.

SG1 was scifi, true, but it was intelligent. (Sorry if you physics majors out there think the science was weak, but the writing at least SEEMED intelligent.)

Continuum started to get under my skin when Vala disappeared. I knew a little about the plot, and immediately said "They've wrecked it."

If the timeline was altered, pieces of it shouldn't have fallen away until everything was changed.

Then our big Jaffa friend vanishes onscreen. (If Vala's vanishing was onscreen, I missed it.)

"This is making no sense now" I thought to myself.

When Cam's grandfather got shot, and he felt it decades later, that was when I nearly shut the thing off.

The really outrageous part was when Daniel phoned himself.

WHY would there be another Daniel Jackson?

I mean, for that matter, if Teal'c and Vala vanished in favor of the new timeline's version of them, why didn't it happen to Cam (who'd have vanished totally), Sam (who'd be dead), and Daniel (who'd suddenly know nothing about the Stargate and be....wherever it was when he phoned him....uh...did I actually just say that)?

With what happened with Teal'c and Vala, there sure shouldn't have been a second Daniel.

They were gating back to Earth when the timeline changed?

NOPE.

Teal'C and Vala had already been affected, along with a few other people. Why not the remaining three of SG1?

Don't get me wrong.

I love STARGATE and it was fun to have another story to watch (actually I have a half hour to go before the movie is done), but the writing STUNK where the handling of the temporal aspects is concerned.

I half expected Sam to stop, look at the camera, and say "I know I'm only a character in this, but I'm a scientist and this doesn't make any sense at all."

Hey...

If any of you out there have an intelligent way of explaining this that WILL make what happened seem sensible, clue me in.

I WANT TO BELIEVE. :D

I just sort of feel like they let us down.

This story, with just a few tweaks in the logic department, would have been great. They could have had Cam, Sam, and Daniel gate back to Earth WITHOUT anything weird happening first. The Bal clone could have been taken care of, Vala and Teal'c could have stayed behind for some reason, planning to gate to Earth later, and THEN while the three were in the wormhole, the timeline could have been shown changing.

They could also have gone without Daniel TALKING TO HIMSELF. (It added nothing to the story, and was only another "this makes no sense" moment.)

Again, if any of you can pull a rabbit out of a hat and come up with a way of explaining the seeming holes in the writing's logic, I'm all ears.

Until I get such an explanation, tho', I'm going to continue feeling a little disappointed.

Hope there's another movie to make up for this one. I really do. It'd be a shame if SG1 went out this way.

Thanks for your attention.

More spoilery goodness-

Since I originally posted this, I saw the last part of the movie.

I can't complain about the resolution, except over the fact that the "original" version of Cam apparently lived out the rest of his life as his own grandfather's younger twin brother. (?!?!?!?!?!?!?!)

The closing shot of the photo in Cam's locker made me wonder "Has Cam ever wondered who the other guy is who looks like both him and his grandfather?"

Now I've got this horrible feeling that Cam is his own father or something. :D

Sirius Black

08-01-2008, 06:39 AM

Better than Ark of Truth but to expect 'logic' in a "mess with the time line" episode, is to expect a miracle.

gastrof

08-01-2008, 01:02 PM

Better than Ark of Truth but to expect 'logic' in a "mess with the time line" episode, is to expect a miracle.

They've done it before. Why not this time?

Did you note my suggestion which really wouldn't have changed the storyline at all, but would have had the benefit of having it all make sense?

rebekah

08-02-2008, 01:09 AM

IndyJones1023

08-02-2008, 09:17 AM

flyers088

08-02-2008, 12:28 PM

phox_mulder

08-02-2008, 02:28 PM

Yeah, I am trying to do a magic trick which involves the creation of 'fake smoke' to recreate the effects of a cigarette within a jar. For this trick I need some liquid ammonia and a few drops of spirits of salts (otherwise known as hydrochloric or muriatic acid). Could anyone tell me if this would be readily available from a standard chemist or, failing that, where would you suggest I try to get some from?

ummm, ya.

Muriatic Acid is readily available from Home Depot or Lowes type stores.
Look in the concrete/cement area.
It's used for roughing up or etching concrete.

Why a first post is asking this, and in the totally wrong section, who knows.

phox

super dave

08-02-2008, 05:15 PM

ummm, ya.

Muriatic Acid is readily available from Home Depot or Lowes type stores.
Look in the concrete/cement area.
It's used for roughing up or etching concrete.

Why a first post is asking this, and in the totally wrong section, who knows.

phox

Because in a recent movie, I could swear it was this one, a group used this concoction to blow something open. Now, my daughter and I are drawing a blank, a heavy set guy went to smoke, I thought Samantha took the butt and then he gave her the lighter, and they stuck it in that mixture for a fuse. When they were in the far past.....??

Anubys

08-02-2008, 06:57 PM

well, I liked it...it had lots of funny moments and I thought everyone did a good job...it was a little sad seeing how much Sam and Jack look to have aged even though it's been less than a year since we've seen them...

it was like a really good ep...time just flew by watching it, which is exactly what I was hoping for...

drew2k

08-03-2008, 11:37 AM

I liked it quite a bit, and really liked the extra, "Stargate Goes to the Arctic".

I am ignoring all issues and inconsistencies regarding time travel, but .... Sam can fly fighter jets? :p

jones07

08-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Sam can do everything.
She's the Westly Crusher of time and space.

flyers088

08-03-2008, 09:27 PM

Watched it last night. Liked it alot. I am a sucker for the SG universe and just have resigned myself to get over the WTF moments. Hope they keep pumping out movies.

vertigo235

08-04-2008, 12:00 AM

I liked it quite a bit, and really liked the extra, "Stargate Goes to the Arctic".

I am ignoring all issues and inconsistencies regarding time travel, but .... Sam can fly fighter jets? :p

I thought she was an air force pilot, remember she was going to be an astronaught too.

vertigo235

08-04-2008, 12:02 AM

Anyhow, it's sad that I knew this but here is what Gateworld.net says.

Carter graduated at the top of her class from the U.S. Air Force Academy. As a pilot, she logged over 100 hours in enemy air space during the Persian Gulf War. She spent two years at the Pentagon trying to make the Stargate program a reality from about 1994 to 1996, before Dr. Daniel Jackson ever deciphered the Stargate and allowed the gate to be activated.

IndyJones1023

08-04-2008, 07:24 AM

I thought she was an air force pilot, remember she was going to be an astronaught too.

An astrozero?

Hoffer

08-06-2008, 04:35 PM

I watched this last night. I thought it was good. I don't get concerned with being true to time travel or whatever. It's just a dumb SciFi show. I always hated the whole Ori thing. So, I thought this one was 1,000 times better than the last direct to DVD movie.

vertigo235

08-06-2008, 06:26 PM

An astrozero?

Pretty much ;)

vertigo235

08-06-2008, 06:27 PM

BitbyBlit

08-07-2008, 11:41 AM

This story, with just a few tweaks in the logic department, would have been great. They could have had Cam, Sam, and Daniel gate back to Earth WITHOUT anything weird happening first. The Bal clone could have been taken care of, Vala and Teal'c could have stayed behind for some reason, planning to gate to Earth later, and THEN while the three were in the wormhole, the timeline could have been shown changing.

Actually, that would make less sense. If you accept the fact that changes to the timeline have a ripple effect, and don't immediately affect everything simultaneously, as was done in the movie, then you can accept the fact that Cam, Sam, and Daniel were able to survive the time change. However, if changes to the timeline have instantaneous effects, then they must alter everything across not just space, but also time simultaneously. Thus, being in a wormhole at a specific time is of no use because all of time is affected, and there is no ripple to hide from while it passes.

As soon as Baal went back in time and stopped the Stargate program, he created a paradox. Without the Stargate program, Baal would not have become who he ended up being, and thus would not have wanted to go back in time to stop the Stargate program. The universe, however, countered Baal's paradox with a Cam paradox. If Baal had not succeeded in changing the timeline, Cam would not have tried to stopped him, but then Baal would have succeeded.

Although we saw the intermediate timeline where Baal succeeded, to the final timeline, Baal's attempted time change was instantly countered by Cam stopping him. Thus, the intermediate timeline could be looked at as the universe resolving Baal's paradox. While the universe was in that state, other anomalies could occur, such as SG-1 seeing people and objects around them disappearing as well as them not being affected by the time change. To SG-1, the world around them disappeared, but to the new timeline, SG-1 spontaneously appeared. So the anomalies could be looked at from either perspective.

Of course, the problem with this explanation is that it is not consistent with previous time travel via solar flares. The universe didn't do anything to counter the note sent back in time in 2010. Perhaps with all of the anomalies that occurred due to the note, nothing manifested itself as a counter to it. So the universe doesn't try to counter paradoxes, they just sometimes get countered due to the anomalies created by them.

JustAllie

08-07-2008, 11:43 AM

My brain hurts after reading that.

Is it really necessary to spoilerize comments?

BitbyBlit

08-07-2008, 11:55 AM

Is it really necessary to spoilerize comments?

Since I was discussing specific plot points, I think they should be spoilerized.

Anubys

08-07-2008, 12:25 PM

Since I was discussing specific plot points, I think they should be spoilerized.

not really...this thread is for people who have already watched the movie...

IndyJones1023

08-07-2008, 12:32 PM

not really...this thread is for people who have already watched the movie...

Same page, brutha. However, this thread should be in Happy Hour and it should have the word "spoilers" in the title. Just to be official.

Mike20878

08-15-2008, 12:19 PM

Same page, brutha. However, this thread should be in Happy Hour and it should have the word "spoilers" in the title. Just to be official.

Why Happy Hour? Because it's not actually a "tv show?"

Church AV Guy

08-15-2008, 01:21 PM

I was wondering about two things. The emergence of Anubis had nothing to do with the presence or absence of SG-1 in the universe, so whouldn't HE be the main system lord? Ba'al had no means of combating Anubis, and at one time, before Oma attacked Anubis in the other dimensions, Ba'al was a servant of Anubis. They left that out because it would have been to much to explain? Second, without SG-1s help, the Asgard would have been overrun and destroyed by the replicators by now. from their databases, the replicators would have learned about this galaxy, and they should have come here in force by now. Maybe Ba'al knew how to stop them, since he was there when they were eradicated. Still, not even a mention.

I enjoyed it, but as others have said, it was pretty weak. The temporal mechanics were convenient, inconsistent and confusing, but they served the plot. Teal'c got to say, "I die free" again!

IndyJones1023

08-15-2008, 01:32 PM

Why Happy Hour? Because it's not actually a "tv show?"

Exactly. It's a DVD movie.

JustAllie

08-15-2008, 01:42 PM

I was wondering about two things. The emergence of Anubis had nothing to do with the presence or absence of SG-1 in the universe, so whouldn't HE be the main system lord? Ba'al had no means of combating Anubis, and at one time, before Oma attacked Anubis in the other dimensions, Ba'al was a servant of Anubis. They left that out because it would have been to much to explain?
I think the main reason for this is that Anubis was, well, an amorphous cloud of black evil. He would "inhabit" people played by various actors, but he usually made those actors look awful.

Ba'al, on the other hand, was played by a hunky guy.

So I'd imagine that this sort of thing drove some of the decisions behind who would be the main characters for the film. ;)

MirclMax

08-15-2008, 04:15 PM

Mike20878

08-15-2008, 04:42 PM

Answer me this one ...

Ba'al goes back in time ... and apparently stays there and lives out that timeline (With Vala by his side as stated in the dialogue) ...

What happened to the Ba'al that was already alive in the past? He couldn't kill him ... did he just find him and freeze him somewhere and pretend to be him from then on?

-MirclMax

Well, he did step back through the gate the first time around so I presume he went back to the future and his timeline would have already changed to have him with Vala (Kesh (sp?) ).

MirclMax

08-15-2008, 04:58 PM

Well, he did step back through the gate the first time around so I presume he went back to the future and his timeline would have already changed to have him with Vala (Kesh (sp?) ).

He did go through the gate.. but not back to the future. Clearly the original Ba'al stayed throughout the timeline allowing him the ability to know all the things that would happen ... This is how he gained power ... so I have to say "nope" to your answer... sorry.

Church AV Guy

08-15-2008, 05:33 PM

Well, he did step back through the gate the first time around so I presume he went back to the future and his timeline would have already changed to have him with Vala (Kesh (sp?) ).
Plot holes, and more plot holes. Inconsistencies, and more of them. Don't think it through too seriously. The plot only holds together if not to closely examined.

gastrof

08-16-2008, 10:45 PM

Actually, that would make less sense. If you accept the fact that changes to the timeline have a ripple effect, and don't immediately affect everything simultaneously, as was done in the movie, then you can accept the fact that Cam, Sam, and Daniel were able to survive the time change. However, if changes to the timeline have instantaneous effects, then they must alter everything across not just space, but also time simultaneously. Thus, being in a wormhole at a specific time is of no use because all of time is affected, and there is no ripple to hide from while it passes.

As soon as Baal went back in time and stopped the Stargate program, he created a paradox. Without the Stargate program, Baal would not have become who he ended up being, and thus would not have wanted to go back in time to stop the Stargate program. The universe, however, countered Baal's paradox with a Cam paradox. If Baal had not succeeded in changing the timeline, Cam would not have tried to stopped him, but then Baal would have succeeded.

Although we saw the intermediate timeline where Baal succeeded, to the final timeline, Baal's attempted time change was instantly countered by Cam stopping him. Thus, the intermediate timeline could be looked at as the universe resolving Baal's paradox. While the universe was in that state, other anomalies could occur, such as SG-1 seeing people and objects around them disappearing as well as them not being affected by the time change. To SG-1, the world around them disappeared, but to the new timeline, SG-1 spontaneously appeared. So the anomalies could be looked at from either perspective.

Of course, the problem with this explanation is that it is not consistent with previous time travel via solar flares. The universe didn't do anything to counter the note sent back in time in 2010. Perhaps with all of the anomalies that occurred due to the note, nothing manifested itself as a counter to it. So the universe doesn't try to counter paradoxes, they just sometimes get countered due to the anomalies created by them.

I disagree with you entirely.

All they have to do is claim that subspace (the realm the wormholes travel thru) is outside the normal flow of time.

If the three were gating thru at the moment Baal went back and changed the past, they could have been immune to the domino effect.

It sure makes more sense than showing the timeline fall apart around them, which also violates your position. (A position that in this case I'll support you on.)

Come on now. I'm not asking for people to disagree with me on my alternate version of how it could have been handled. I'm asking for someone to address the movie AS IS, and explain why it DOES make sense that way....if possible.

gastrof

08-16-2008, 10:56 PM

He did go through the gate.. but not back to the future. Clearly the original Ba'al stayed throughout the timeline allowing him the ability to know all the things that would happen ....

At least we didn't see him KILL the Baal who was already in the past. That would only have added to the "this makes no sense" theme.

Mike20878

08-17-2008, 12:06 AM

I didn't like the fact that Michael Shanks yet again phoned in his performance, and he couldn't be bothered to travel to the Arctic to film his scenes up there with some of the others. :rolleyes: His loss, that was an incredible opportunity that he passed up.

Why does everyone always think Shanks "phones in" his performances? I liked him in this. Am I missing something?

I watched the "making of" and it does appear that he didn't go because he didn't want to deal with the cold. He sounds like a bit of a prima donna there. One of the producers apparently tries to cover for him later by saying he had a "prior commitment." :)

BitbyBlit

08-17-2008, 03:29 AM

I disagree with you entirely.

All they have to do is claim that subspace (the realm the wormholes travel thru) is outside the normal flow of time.

In that case, however, anything that had gone through a wormhole from the time Baal changed history onwards would have been immune as well. You would have had people popping out of the Earth stargate once for every time someone gated to Earth in the "real" timeline.

Come on now. I'm not asking for people to disagree with me on my alternate version of how it could have been handled. I'm asking for someone to address the movie AS IS, and explain why it DOES make sense that way....if possible.

The explanation that I gave about the universe being put into a "temporary" state of temporal flux was the best I could think of. Of course, allowing the universe to be in a state where nothing makes sense and anything can happen is usually the best way to explain plot holes. :D

BitbyBlit

08-17-2008, 03:34 AM

I watched the "making of" and it does appear that he didn't go because he didn't want to deal with the cold. He sounds like a bit of a prima donna there. One of the producers apparently tries to cover for him later by saying he had a "prior commitment." :)

I actually thought just the opposite, that the producer was telling what really happened, and Shanks was just joking around about wanting everything to revolve around him.

Mike20878

08-17-2008, 09:26 PM

So, was this it or are there other movies planned?

cheesesteak

08-18-2008, 08:13 AM

I didn't get the impression that Shanks phoned in his performance. RDA's performance was not only phoned in, it was a text message.

DianaMo

09-16-2008, 02:49 PM

Anyway, I watched the movie and am now watching the extras on the DVD.

I couldn't find it for rent here in town. Any idea why Redbox doesn't carry either of the new Stargate movies?

We ended up watching it via Amazon Unbox on the Tivo.

The picture quality was okay, but not quite as nice as DVD picture quality.

And sadly, no extra features via the Unbox purchase. :down::confused::(

Mike20878

09-16-2008, 03:08 PM

I couldn't find it at Redbox either so I went to BlockBuster. Highway robbery at $4.55 a rental. Now I see it's free On Demand from Comcast but I enjoyed watching the DVD extras.

DianaMo

09-16-2008, 03:23 PM

I couldn't find it at Redbox either so I went to BlockBuster. Highway robbery at $4.55 a rental. Now I see it's free On Demand from Comcast but I enjoyed watching the DVD extras.

I'm a Comcast customer but our On Demand service is not like what other Comcast customers get. I doubt they're carrying that movie here but I'll check just for kicks. Thanks for mentioning it.

DianaMo

09-16-2008, 04:19 PM

Spoilers galore!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate:_Continuum

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Question: Was the entire story within the movie just part of the ceremony?

Demandred

04-07-2009, 02:36 PM

Finally got around to watching this last night. Best episode of Stargate ever. :)

GadgetFreak

04-07-2009, 10:06 PM

Finally got around to watching this last night. Best episode of Stargate ever. :)

I watched it last night too. Who was Mitchell's neighbor lady -- he had to force himself to not say "Mrs."?

Demandred

04-08-2009, 09:44 AM

I watched it last night too. Who was Mitchell's neighbor lady -- he had to force himself to not say "Mrs."?

In the context of the show, she was nobody. Just there to show that Mitchell wasn't getting too comfortable in this new reality, despite the possibilities.

If you mean the actress, it's:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0874121/