30 Days: Gay Adoption

[jamesbobo]

I'm surprised that no thread has been started yet. This is the only show of the series, that I can think of, where neither side refused to budge no matter how much evidence or reasoning was presented by the other side.
Still, I give both sides credit for at least going through with it and not quitting before the full 30 days were up.

[emandbri]

I really did feel bad for the women even though I don't agree with her views at all.

[jstack]

This show has become way too one sided.

[Fleegle]

As soon as they said the woman was Mormon, I knew there'd be no way she would change one iota. She had so many contradictions in what she said she seemed to be fine with that. She never gave a single valid reason as to why these people's rights should be abridged. not liking who they sleep with is not a valid reason. Nor is thinking it's "icky".

And she needs to learn that being gay is not a choice.

[emandbri]

And she needs to learn that being gay is not a choice.

and learn that statistically the number of children who "end up gay" is the same if they are raised in a family by a same sex couple or a family with a mother and father.

Oh and the women who grew up with her gay dad, she wasn't screwed up because he was gay she was screwed up because he was a crappy father.

[Enrique]

(I have not watched all this yet) My opinion of the topic is every child SHOULD have a loving mom and dad, failing that I think any kind of Adoption would work for me(single mom, single dad, Gay Adoption etc...)because every child DESERVES a loving family(like the ones I listed).

[Jeeters]

I really did feel bad for the women even though I don't agree with her views at all.Yeah, I completely disagreed with her and found her contradictory. But I really felt bad for her when they put her at the outdoor fireside chat when they were all ganging up on her. And then when she decided to walk off, the way some of them started screaming at her was just wrong. It was a mob against Frankenstein.

This show has become way too one sided.How's that? I thought this episode did a much better job of showing both sides compared to last week. They had several people from both sides of the argument speak. Including a child that grew up with gay parents who had no issue with it and also a child who thought it affected her negatively.

[Warren]

I like how her "Morals" are all that matter.

[ncsercs]

and learn that statistically the number of children who "end up gay" is the same if they are raised in a family by a same sex couple or a family with a mother and father.

Oh and the women who grew up with her gay dad, she wasn't screwed up because he was gay she was screwed up because he was a crappy father.

who "just happened to be gay" .....

[ncsercs]

Yeah, I completely disagreed with her and found her contradictory. But I really felt bad for her when they put her at the outdoor fireside chat when they were all ganging up on her. And then when she decided to walk off, the way some of them started screaming at her was just wrong. It was a mob against Frankenstein.

When liberals are losing an argument, that's SOP, no surprise here.

10 on 1, that's how they operate.....

[Fleegle]

who "just happened to be gay" .....

Yes, exactly. Is he were straight and did the same things to her using sexual discussions involving women instead of other men, it would have been just as bad.

[Ntombi]

When liberals are losing an argument, that's SOP, no surprise here.

10 on 1, that's how they operate.....
:rolleyes:

[Manchot]

Ugh, that was just painful to watch.

[pdhenry]

Blinders and dogma, that's what I saw.

[coolpenguin]

I just watched this. Wow, that was hard to watch. I'm a bit disappointed that a Mormon was was the featured "against" person. I wish it would have been more of a moderate, or least someone who would back things up a bit more.

Seems like a GREAT family in an even better community. The thought of allowing foster kids to remain foster kids and have nothing, rather than be fostered or adopted, broke my heart.

[Rosincrans]

Her beliefs about gays were tied to closely together with her faith and her identity. To admit that she was wrong about any of it, would have brought her whole belief system crashing down like a house of cards.

It was actually kind of fascinating to see her warm up to the idea, and then immediately recoil in horror. Then she'd go back to spouting the same old arguments like some sort of mantra.

[Sacrilegium]

I wanted to go Peter Cook on her and get into the Guinness Book of World Records.

[pmyers]

...Oh and the women who grew up with her gay dad, she wasn't screwed up because he was gay she was screwed up because he was a crappy father.

Yeah...her example of him sitting at the dinner table talking about gay bath houses would be no different than a hetro couple talking about sex....the issue was talking about sex at the table with a kid present...didn't matter what kind of sex it was.

I do think that the 2 guys should have really stuck up for her more though when she was getting attacked at the campfire.

[NinerK]

Yeah...her example of him sitting at the dinner table talking about gay bath houses would be no different than a hetro couple talking about sex....the issue was talking about sex at the table with a kid present...didn't matter what kind of sex it was.

I do think that the 2 guys should have really stuck up for her more though when she was getting attacked at the campfire.

her example of him sitting at the dinner table talking about gay bath houses would be no different than a hetro couple talking about casual sex....

Fixed;)

[mattack]

As soon as they said the woman was Mormon, I knew there'd be no way she would change one iota.

(I think all religions are bad.. except Pastafarianism.)

But there was an article in the paper over the weekend about Mormons changing their mind about areas covered in this show, and even softening their public stance.

[newsposter]

i'm glad they showed a gay older woman to try to make her feel even more uncomfortable..i'm sure she has a 'respect your elders' gene and it really bugged her to have to deal with that woman

and gosh, a kid having to make their own choices instead of being babied..what a horrible thing. Call CPS right away!

i like the guy at the end basically saying we wont be friends, leave now!

[hairyblue]

I watched this episode yesterday. I think the women was very one sided. Which I think it's great to live in a country where you can believe what you want to. But...America is great because we have tolerance and respect for other cultures and Ideas. She has not shown these qualities. It's ok to not like a religion, the way someone cuts their hair, or gay people, but it's not American to want to make laws against people who have a religion, or a haircut, or gay.

Just look at it from the other side. What if the majority of America was Pagan. And the majority thought the way she did and wanted to ban her faith, or since she wasn't Pagan, give her less rights because the Pagans felt she wasn't moral. That's not America.

I'm Atheist, but I wouldn't want to ban churches. I want people to be safe believing in what they believe and not be thought of any less because of it. I want to respect people--all people.

[Fleegle]

i'm glad they showed a gay older woman to try to make her feel even more uncomfortable..i'm sure she has a 'respect your elders' gene and it really bugged her to have to deal with that woman

and gosh, a kid having to make their own choices instead of being babied..what a horrible thing. Call CPS right away!

I could totally see my mom as that woman. Made me proud :) And yes, God Forbid ,(pun intended), a child be given information information and allowed to draw their own conclusions rather than be force-fed Dogma.


i like the guy at the end basically saying we wont be friends, leave now!

You could tell it hurt him to do that. I don't think I could remain friends with someone who hatred such a fundamental part of myself.

[Ntombi]

I watched this episode yesterday. I think the women was very one sided. Which I think it's great to live in a country where you can believe what you want to. But...America is great because we have tolerance and respect for other cultures and Ideas. She has not shown these qualities. It's ok to not like a religion, the way someone cuts their hair, or gay people, but it's not American to want to make laws against people who have a religion, or a haircut, or gay.

Just look at it from the other side. What if the majority of America was Pagan. And the majority thought the way she did and wanted to ban her faith, or since she wasn't Pagan, give her less rights because the Pagans felt she wasn't moral. That's not America.

I'm Atheist, but I wouldn't want to ban churches. I want people to be safe believing in what they believe and not be thought of any less because of it. I want to respect people--all people.

:up::up::up:

[justapixel]

It might have been nice had they picked a woman who had actually thought about her argument, rather than just sticking to "it's wrong" and not being able to articulate why.

This show is really only good when Morgan is on. It's always one-sided but he has enough charm to make it watchable and interesting. When he turns it over to these people, especially ones I think they pick because they aren't really bright - the show really suffers.

[mattack]

I watched this episode yesterday. I think the women was very one sided. Which I think it's great to live in a country where you can believe what you want to. But...America is great because we have tolerance and respect for other cultures and Ideas.

The government forces "its" religion on me by:
* putting "In God We Trust" on the money
* having "faith-based" initiatives (unfortunately, I read a headline that Obama wants to continue this??)
* having churches be tax exempt

[justapixel]

The government forces "its" religion on me by:
* putting "In God We Trust" on the money
* having "faith-based" initiatives (unfortunately, I read a headline that Obama wants to continue this??)
* having churches be tax exempt

Did she say that in the show?

If not, then we are going down the wrong road in this thread. I don't remember her ever mentioning any presidential candidates.

[sieglinde]

The other side could argue that the government was forcing nonreligion down folks throats by emphasizing secularism. Not having public prayer or prayer in schools. Banning religion from certain government activities etc.

[grant33]

I was confused by the fact that the one adopted child had his entire family, including siblings, at the party/bbq event. Not only was it strange that they glossed over it, but it seems like they could have used it as an opportunity to explain why gay parents were better in this case than (I'm assuming) non-gay parent(s) who were still in the child's life.

[flatcurve]

I was confused by the fact that the one adopted child had his entire family, including siblings, at the party/bbq event. Not only was it strange that they glossed over it, but it seems like they could have used it as an opportunity to explain why gay parents were better in this case than (I'm assuming) non-gay parent(s) who were still in the child's life.

It could have been that the child's family didn't have the resources to look after his welfare, and the state either stepped in or they asked for help. He did have special needs if I recall correctly.

My fiance brought up a good point when watching this show. When the woman was shocked that the gay dad was letting the boy make his own decisions, she said it was probably because she's used to telling her kids what to think/do/say. It's probably how she was indoctrinated herself. You could tell that any time something undermined that brainwashing, it made her extremely uncomfortable and she ran away from it.

I wish they would have chosen a more moderate person for this show who could have articulated their views better. That being said, it was at least good for the gay adoption advocates to truly see what kind of fanaticism they're up against.

[pmyers]

...I wish they would have chosen a more moderate person for this show who could have articulated their views better. That being said, it was at least good for the gay adoption advocates to truly see what kind of fanaticism they're up against.

I agree that this could have been a lot more thought provoking had they picked a different person. To me, her only argument was religion based and had no other premises for her objections.

[anom]

I was confused by the fact that the one adopted child had his entire family, including siblings, at the party/bbq event. Not only was it strange that they glossed over it, but it seems like they could have used it as an opportunity to explain why gay parents were better in this case than (I'm assuming) non-gay parent(s) who were still in the child's life.
There's a 99.999% chance that it involved the biological parent having a substance abuse problem that prevented them from being able to properly care for their child. That doesn't always mean they can't have some role in the child's life, at the discretion of the adoptive parent.

[balboa dave]

I agree that this could have been a lot more thought provoking had they picked a different person. To me, her only argument was religion based and had no other premises for her objections.I see that as the major revelation of this episode. I have never seen anyone write or articulate a reason against gay parenting that didn't have a religious basis. There was no question she saw and felt the love and compassion in the family of the gay parents. The fact that when her religious teachings came into conflict with her perceptions, she backed away, which I saw as a rather significant exposure of her religious brainwashing.

[sieglinde]

Good point. I think there have been studies done and gay parenting really has no special effects on the kids except they are more tolerant of gays and I don't remember if this is true or not but more open to bi-sexual behavior.

[pmyers]

Good point. I think there have been studies done and gay parenting really has no special effects on the kids except they are more tolerant of gays and I don't remember if this is true or not but more open to bi-sexual behavior.

I think that being adopted and raised by 2 same sex partners could lead to ridicule/hazing/taunting from other kids that wouldn't happen if they were adopted by a male/female couple, but like they showed in this show.....who cares? It's a lot better than the alternative of these kids being raised by no one.

[sieglinde]

I got hazing taunting etc. and I was raised by heterosexual parents. No difference as far as I can see.

[Grasshopper AZ]

I got hazing taunting etc. and I was raised by heterosexual parents. No difference as far as I can see.

I here ya. Growing up with a name like Levi brings on lots of hazing and taunting.

[JoBeth66]

I here ya. Growing up with a name like Levi brings on lots of hazing and taunting.

Hah. Gotcha beat.

My maiden name is Seaman. AND I have 8 siblings.




AND my father's name is Dick.

[Fleegle]

Hah. Gotcha beat.

My maiden name is Seaman. AND I have 8 siblings.




AND my father's name is Dick.

Wait, so your dad's name is Dick Seaman? Man, your grandparents were CRUEL!!

[JoBeth66]

Wait, so your dad's name is Dick Seaman? Man, your grandparents were CRUEL!!

Yep! (I mean, technically, it's Richard - but he's used the nickname "Dick" his whole life.)

My oldest brother named his son Richard. We only EVER called him Richard, and he won't answer to anything else. :)

And my dad was enlisted in the Navy during the Korean war. So he was Seaman Dick Seaman.

[Fleegle]

Yep! (I mean, technically, it's Richard - but he's used the nickname "Dick" his whole life.)

My oldest brother named his son Richard. We only EVER called him Richard, and he won't answer to anything else. :)

And my dad was enlisted in the Navy during the Korean war. So he was Seaman Dick Seaman.

Mistress, Yes Mistress! ROFL

[Grasshopper AZ]

Hah. Gotcha beat.

My maiden name is Seaman. AND I have 8 siblings.




AND my father's name is Dick.

You're right. Any damage done in my youth now pales in comparison. ;)