Reaper 5/13/2008 (S01E17) "The Leak" [Text View]

MikeMar

05-14-2008, 08:26 AM

Great episode, the whole marriage/jail thing is ok but glad and hopefully the UK girl is gone, she was annoying the way she talked. It's like she WAY over pronounced everything.

Rob Helmerichs

05-14-2008, 08:29 AM

Great episode, the whole marriage/jail thing is ok but glad and hopefully the UK girl is gone, she was annoying the way she talked. It's like she WAY over pronounced everything.
Yeah, kind of amusing that after all that sturm und drang he only gets eight days in jail...and the girl!

danterner

05-14-2008, 09:19 AM

Another great episode. I loved Gladys' expression as she lay dead on the couch in her home. I wish I hadn't seen previews for this episode: the scene with her being eaten by the hellworm-thing bursting from the ground would have been much more surprising and funny had it not been promoed. Also loved Sock's line about seatbelts and safety first... unless you're dead. Great show - so glad it was picked up for a second season.

Mars Rocket

05-14-2008, 09:44 AM

needo

05-14-2008, 10:22 AM

One of the things I really like about the show is that other then the initial hiding his "other job" from Andi they are pretty straightforward about things. For example the writers could have done the old played out "hide the secret" in regards to Ben/Cassie/British Chick. I hate, hate, hate it when shows do that for extended periods of time and then base there entire show around it.

mwhip

05-14-2008, 11:21 AM

Some good lines tonight as well

Escaped soul "you know how hard it is to kill a man while he is crying?"
The Devil - "Not that hard"

Andi "we were coming to look for you but now we are burying a body"
Tony - "ok lets do that"

needo

05-14-2008, 11:59 AM

Or:

Devil: "Me Devil. You minion."

That had me in stitches.

smak

05-14-2008, 07:49 PM

I really liked the fact that the soul was a totally different type than the other ones.

It shows they can go in different directions instead of just your typical soul who throws acid, or flames, etc...

-smak-

Peter000

05-14-2008, 08:08 PM

This really was a great episode - I'm really glad they've pulled Andi into the group instead of trying to hide things from her the whole time, and I like how they're generating a much longer story arc rather than just writing independent episodes. The characters are good, the writing is good, the acting is good. Can't ask for much more on TV these days.

I almost gave up on this show after the first 3-5 episodes but stuck it out because so many other people liked it. Now I'm really glad I did.

Plus with Andi in on everything we get more Andi. :) She was totally stuck at the Workbench and just didn't have enough to do before. Now she's all helping with burying the bodies, capturing souls and having celebratory beers. :D

terpfan1980

05-14-2008, 08:44 PM

Plus with Andi in on everything we get more Andi. :) She was totally stuck at the Workbench and just didn't have enough to do before. Now she's all helping with burying the bodies, capturing souls and having celebratory beers. :D

Yummmmm, more Andi. More Andi is a great thing. :up: :D

vikingguy

05-15-2008, 02:08 AM

Another outstanding episode. This show has really hit its stride and has become one of my favorites. I really love the flow now with the bigger story arcs. The show has found a great mix of comedy and character developement. Ray Wise is so kick ass as the devil. I am so happy the whole andi is in the dark is over. Thursdays next year are going to rock with reaper/supernatural.

hanumang

05-15-2008, 02:14 AM

Not enough Cassidy! ;)

Otherwise, yes, awesome episode.

TheDewAddict

05-15-2008, 08:31 AM

Are the actor who played the soul, and Ray Wise related? They both had the same speech pattern and pronunciation for a lot of things.

Amnesia

05-15-2008, 08:49 AM

Are the actor who played the soul, and Ray Wise related? They both had the same speech pattern and pronunciation for a lot of things.Not according to IMDb. But they're actors...

minorthr

05-15-2008, 09:05 AM

I do not think the devil is Sam's father that would be to obvious. I think Sam's dad was a reaper or some sort of demon and sold Sam's soul to the devil so he could be free to be with Sam's mom.

Amnesia

05-15-2008, 09:28 AM

I think Sam's dad was a reaper or some sort of demon and sold Sam's soul to the devil so he could be free to be with Sam's mom.So you think the person married to Sam's mom is really Sam's dad? Then I don't get the idea of removing his name from the contract...

WinBear

05-15-2008, 09:43 AM

So you think the person married to Sam's mom is really Sam's dad? Then I don't get the idea of removing his name from the contract...

He seems to be suggesting that the contract gave more details about Sam's dad than dad wanted Sam to know. The previews suggest that as a possibility, but doesn't discard premise of the Devil being Sam's father either.

mwhip

05-15-2008, 09:47 AM

He seems to be suggesting that the contract gave more details about Sam's dad than dad wanted Sam to know. The previews suggest that as a possibility, but doesn't discard premise of the Devil being Sam's father either.

In one of the prior episodes when Sam asked his dad for the contract the first time wasn't there a scene of his dad tearing out pages?

whitson77

05-15-2008, 11:12 AM

Great episode, the whole marriage/jail thing is ok but glad and hopefully the UK girl is gone, she was annoying the way she talked. It's like she WAY over pronounced everything.

Agreed. I couldn't stand the way she talked and she is UGLY.

The rest of the episode was excellent.

minorthr

05-15-2008, 11:24 AM

So you think the person married to Sam's mom is really Sam's dad? Then I don't get the idea of removing his name from the contract...

Maybe it said he dad was a reaper or a demon and he was trying to hide it. The devil very well could be his father, but I think thats to easy.

flatcurve

05-15-2008, 11:29 AM

Agreed. I couldn't stand the way she talked and she is UGLY.

The rest of the episode was excellent.

She was much cuter in the original british version of the office. much less annoying too. she was definitely playing up her accent.

needo

05-15-2008, 11:35 AM

She was much cuter in the original british version of the office. much less annoying too. she was definitely playing up her accent.

She was also really hot in Studio 60.

robbhimself

05-15-2008, 12:44 PM

she was definitely playing up her accent.

she mentioned she was going to be deported back to manchester, and i believe they have thicker accents

also, she wasn't too bad in shaun of the dead

Fleegle

05-15-2008, 12:56 PM

I have a theory that the reason they gave in the pilot as to why they sold Sam's soul is a lie. They gave some reason of his father having some illness that they wanted to cure, but were very vauge. I've always thought there was more to that story.

JYoung

05-16-2008, 12:38 AM

I don't think that Sam is the son of the Devil either.
But it could be part of deeper game the Devil is playing.

The show has done of good job of making Sam likable.
He makes mistakes but he tries to do the right thing, even he's in a crappy situation.

I have to admit that I was afraid there for a while that Gladys wasn't coming back though.

cheesesteak

05-16-2008, 08:27 AM

Thank the gods that British chick is gone. I was going to have to figure out how to turn closed-captioning on otherwise. I couldn't figure out half the crap she was saying.

I don't think Sam is the Devil's son. What would be the point of selling the Devil's son back to the Devil. He'd probably would already own the souls of his children.

I've been watching some early Buffy The Vampire Slayer episodes lately. The Reaper Scoobies remind me of the BtVS Scoobies.

Amnesia

05-16-2008, 08:34 AM

What would be the point of selling the Devil's son back to the Devil. He'd probably would already own the souls of his children.Who says that anyone sold Sam's soul? The Devil?

What if Sam's (supposed) father sold his soul to the Devil and the Devil said that the "father" wouldn't have to spend eternity in hell if instead he would take the Devil's son and raise him as a human.

WinBear

05-16-2008, 08:36 AM

I don't think Sam is the Devil's son. What would be the point of selling the Devil's son back to the Devil. He'd probably would already own the souls of his children.

For this angle, it seems the Devil would be training Sam to take over him. Perhaps, so he can retire or at least take some time off. A lot of the stories seem to deal with the Devil attempting to corrupt Sam or Sam trying to corrupt the Devil. So far, we've seen Sam win out on the most heinous temptations and even gotten the Devil to show mercy to Gladys. The writers may be trying to walk that fine line where Sam never gets to be truly evil, but the Devil perhaps doesn't seem quite so villainous either.

JYoung

05-16-2008, 01:38 PM

For this angle, it seems the Devil would be training Sam to take over him. Perhaps, so he can retire or at least take some time off. A lot of the stories seem to deal with the Devil attempting to corrupt Sam or Sam trying to corrupt the Devil. So far, we've seen Sam win out on the most heinous temptations and even gotten the Devil to show mercy to Gladys. The writers may be trying to walk that fine line where Sam never gets to be truly evil, but the Devil perhaps doesn't seem quite so villainous either.

I think you're reading too much into it.
Sam is an innocent (because he wasn't the one to sell his soul) and the Devil is trying to corrupt Sam because he's the Devil!!!

MikeMar

05-16-2008, 01:42 PM

I think you're reading too much into it.
Sam is an innocent (because he wasn't the one to sell his soul) and the Devil is trying to corrupt Sam because he's the Devil!!!

I wonder if there is some weird loophole.

I'm assuming 99.999% of the souls he gets are from people selling their soul for something.

But Sam didn't sell his soul, his parents did.

So maybe the Devil needs to corrupt him to get him hell ready or whatever.

Anyone remember or know what was said in regards to Sam after he does a lifetime of bounty hunting and dies a natural death, is his soul still the Devils??

MikeMar

05-16-2008, 01:45 PM

Just remembered this

VERY cool book

I, am Lucifer (http://www.amazon.com/I-Lucifer-Finally-Other-Story/dp/0802140149/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210959811&sr=8-9) it's about the Devil coming to earth in a humans body and such, really cool and different kind of story.

From the summary
God gives his evil subaltern a month in a human body, with an option to own, thus permanently casting off his pain-racked cosmological being.

Rob Helmerichs

05-16-2008, 02:58 PM

But Sam didn't sell his soul, his parents did.
That's why I think there's a pretty huge twist in there somewhere. Because if they're saying you can sell SOMEBODY ELSE'S SOUL, then hell, sign me up!

Dignan

05-16-2008, 03:18 PM

I normally really like Lucy Davis (as mentioned "Pam" from UK The Office), but she was annoying. I know she was supposed to play annoying, I just got tired of her whole shtick.

Andi, please more Andi. I almost want to go back and watch her episodes on Hereos. My favorite new TV hottie. :)

Fleegle

05-16-2008, 03:29 PM

Mars Rocket

05-16-2008, 04:06 PM

The loophole is probably that the sale was conditional, and if the Devil can't corrupt Sam by the time he gets married or turns 30 or somesuch then the soul goes back to Sam.

flatcurve

05-16-2008, 04:10 PM

The loophole is probably that the sale was conditional, and if the Devil can't corrupt Sam by the time he gets married or turns 30 or somesuch then the soul goes back to Sam.

that's an excellent theory! although it doesn't explain why sam's dad removed all references to himself from the contract.

boywaja

05-16-2008, 04:36 PM

That's why I think there's a pretty huge twist in there somewhere. Because if they're saying you can sell SOMEBODY ELSE'S SOUL, then hell, sign me up!

but its not selling ANYBODIES soul. Its promising the soul of your first born child which is a more common expression.

Rob Helmerichs

05-16-2008, 05:51 PM

but its not selling ANYBODIES soul. Its promising the soul of your first born child which is a more common expression.
But morally it's the same thing. You're selling somebody else's soul who has no say in the matter.

Which I don't buy, no pun intended. There's something else going on.

TAsunder

05-16-2008, 06:43 PM

Don't we already know that he sold the soul of a first born child they didn't think would ever come into existence due to infertility?

Rob Helmerichs

05-16-2008, 06:49 PM

Don't we already know that he sold the soul of a first born child they didn't think would ever come into existence due to infertility?
Yes, but still, Sam never agreed to the deal.

JYoung

05-16-2008, 07:28 PM

Yes, but still, Sam never agreed to the deal.

Yes but since parents are usually required to sign contracts for children that are under 18, it's not a stretch to say that Sam's parents could sign away Sam's soul.

(Say, what happened to Sam's annoying brother? Did he wind up going to school with Chuck Cunningham and Eugene Barclay?)

Rob Helmerichs

05-16-2008, 07:41 PM

Yes but since parents are usually required to sign contracts for children that are under 18, it's not a stretch to say that Sam's parents could sign away Sam's soul.
Well, if there's any theology that would allow for eternal damnation for something that your parents did before you were conceived, then I guess I'm doubly glad that I'm an atheist! :D

But I'm still gonna have faith (cough) that the writers of this show are not THAT morally corrupt, and that they have something else in mind.

jebbbz

05-17-2008, 12:06 AM

As I recall it, rather earlier in the season Sam tried simply telling the Devil to take his contract and shove it as he, Sam, had agreed to nothing. Satan simply replied that Sam's parents would suffer indescribably if Sam renounced his parents' deal.

Sam is too nice a guy to let his parents suffer.

Amnesia

05-17-2008, 08:06 AM

Satan simply replied that Sam's parents would suffer indescribably if Sam renounced his parents' deal.

Sam is too nice a guy to let his parents suffer.Of course, maybe the Devil lied...

Mars Rocket

05-17-2008, 01:54 PM

that's an excellent theory! although it doesn't explain why sam's dad removed all references to himself from the contract.

Maybe the soul was to be returned to the father until Sam came of age.

Another theory: they actually sold his brother's soul, but then realized he would never be able to do the work for the Devil that Sam does, so they told Sam & the Devil that Sam would have to be the reaper.