Eli Stone 4/13/2008 (S01E12) "Waiting for That Day"

[dswallow]

Finally Eli is getting a little vindication. It'll be an interesting finale next week. If I were Jordan I might've just gone off and started my own firm again and dumped the two other partners rather than asking for a revote... well, nice thought, anyway. He's certainly come around in a big way being so supportive of Eli now.

[busyba]

You'd think that this new validation of his visions should preclude him from going through with the surgery.

[TeighVaux]

You'd think that this new validation of his visions should preclude him from going through with the surgery.

Good point, although the previews show the post op scenes. I don't think it is worth it to do the surgery. Wish the Patty character got more air time.

[atrac]

LOVED the scientist "quoting" Superman: The Movie: "This is no fantasy, no careless product of wild imagination. No my friends... this is a matter of undeniable scientific facts."

Another SOLID episode. The effect of the bridge collapsing looked fantastic (especially in HD).

I honestly can't believe how much I love this show now, but I do.

And another great turn by Victor Garber. Love him!

Season Finale next week! I do agree though, why would Eli do it with the visions coming true left and right?

I guess we'll find out... :)

[DevdogAZ]

I really like this show, and I can't figure out why, because the legal stuff is so off base, it's ridiculous. But yet, I keep watching and enjoying. Go figure.

[dswallow]

I really like this show, and I can't figure out why, because the legal stuff is so off base, it's ridiculous. But yet, I keep watching and enjoying. Go figure.

Well, the legal stuff may be "off base" but compared to "Boston Legal" it's like really authentic. At least here when the case is absurd the judge basically admits it and just wants to do something more entertaining for a few days. :)

[Graymalkin]

Scientist and lawyer predict big earthquake in San Francisco, down to the date and time. Mayor closes Golden Gate Bridge. Earthquake occurs, GGB snaps in half, no lives are lost (we presume).

If this happened IRL, wouldn't this generate an unprecedented wave of news coverage and worldwide attention?

And what about Silver Terrace? I hope we'll hear something about that next week.

[ADG]

I also enjoyed the show but am a little put off at the complete turn-around of Jordan's attitude to Eli. Up until the last episode he was clearly not an advocate of Eli's - in fact, he made it clear he'd fire him if he could. Even when he represented him in court he was not a "fan". Now all of a sudden he's his mentor and father figure again (since they introduced Katie Sagal's character). I get that they are trying to do "good lawyer / bad lawyer") with the two senior partners, but the sudden reversal of attitude runs contrary to everything that led up to the last two episodes.

Personally I think it's more enjoyable with Jordan not fighting everything Eli does, but it would have been better (and more believable) for me if it was a gradual turnaround rather than a complete and sudden 180 - or did I miss something somewhere?

[Vendikarr]

I also enjoyed the show but am a little put off at the complete turn-around of Jordan's attitude to Eli. Up until the last episode he was clearly not an advocate of Eli's - in fact, he made it clear he'd fire him if he could. Even when he represented him in court he was not a "fan". Now all of a sudden he's his mentor and father figure again (since they introduced Katie Sagal's character). I get that they are trying to do "good lawyer / bad lawyer") with the two senior partners, but the sudden reversal of attitude runs contrary to everything that led up to the last two episodes.

Personally I think it's more enjoyable with Jordan not fighting everything Eli does, but it would have been better (and more believable) for me if it was a gradual turnaround rather than a complete and sudden 180 - or did I miss something somewhere?

yea, I think you missed the episode where Eli and Jordan worked with George Michael on a case. Jordan began to find something worthwhile in the kind of cases Eli was taking, and they began to build bridges between them then.

[Graymalkin]

What happened to the other managing partner, played by Tom Amandes? Did I miss him taking a leave of absence or something?

[astrohip]

I love this show, and really hope it gets picked up, but...

Scientist and lawyer predict big earthquake in San Francisco, down to the date and time. Mayor closes Golden Gate Bridge. Earthquake occurs, GGB snaps in half, no lives are lost (we presume).

If this happened IRL, wouldn't this generate an unprecedented wave of news coverage and worldwide attention?
...this kinda bugged me. This is so divergent from reality that it takes one out of the moment. That was the same thing I was thinking--if the GGB is destroyed, doesn't that mean half of SF is wiped out? Fires, toppled buildings, etc. Yet they treated it as a walk in the park (literally--Golden Gate Park). So should this week's last episode features scenes from the Charlton Heston epic Earthquake?

I know I know, we're watching a show about a prophet, so why am I nitpicking? It's just that all of his visions so far have been grounded in reality, with cutesy legal/humanistic solutions in the last 10 minutes. The only reach--until now--for our bizarro-filters have been the concepts of visions themselves. But now we have to deal with a 6.8 quake that destroys SF. Or not.

Still like the show though. :D

[JYoung]

Well, the legal stuff may be "off base" but compared to "Boston Legal" it's like really authentic. At least here when the case is absurd the judge basically admits it and just wants to do something more entertaining for a few days. :)

Canterbury's Law makes both these shows look like classroom examples of court.

[JYoung]

...this kinda bugged me. This is so divergent from reality that it takes one out of the moment. That was the same thing I was thinking--if the GGB is destroyed, doesn't that mean half of SF is wiped out? Fires, toppled buildings, etc. Yet they treated it as a walk in the park (literally--Golden Gate Park). So should this week's last episode features scenes from the Charlton Heston epic Earthquake?

I know I know, we're watching a show about a prophet, so why am I nitpicking? It's just that all of his visions so far have been grounded in reality, with cutesy legal/humanistic solutions in the last 10 minutes. The only reach--until now--for our bizarro-filters have been the concepts of visions themselves. But now we have to deal with a 6.8 quake that destroys SF. Or not.

Still like the show though. :D

No offense but have you actually lived through an Earthquake?
While the media will always focus on the damage and destruction, most of the city comes out with relatively minor damage.

Since we're talking about San Francisco, let's take a look at the Loma Prieta quake in 1989.
While registering 6.9-7.0 on the Richter scale and causing over $6 billion in damages, the majority of the major damage was centered around the collapsing double decker section of the I880, the Bay Bridge, and the City of Santa Cruz had about 40 old buildings collapse.

But the basic infrastructure of the city was intact and the Bay Bridge was the only bridge that was damaged. The rest of the Bay area bridges were fine and were running the next day.

Katrina was far more devastating by comparison.

[SleepyBob]

+1 on the vindication. The series is definitely growing on me from the first couple episodes I watched.

I thought there wouldn't be an earthquake, but that when they closed the bridge, they'd find some sort of critical structural fault that would get fixed barely in time.

My wife was sure there would be an earthquake because this is probably a pivotal experience that moves him towards greatness. Plus it explains the Silver Terrace tie-in.

I'm still shocked that he doesn't call off the surgery at this point.

[DevdogAZ]

I'll bet that he gets the surgery and then it turns out that his visions and prophecies had nothing to do with the aneurysm.

[Graymalkin]

I'll bet that he gets the surgery and then it turns out that his visions and prophecies had nothing to do with the aneurysm.

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

That's close to what I've been thinking, which is that his and his dad's aneurysms are the result, not the cause, of their divine calling.

[vertigo235]

I'll bet that he gets the surgery and then it turns out that his visions and prophecies had nothing to do with the aneurysm.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, there would be no show without the visions.

Speaking of no more show, I really hope they renew this show. So far no decision has been made.

Great show.

[laststarfighter]

Visions with a chance of dying at any moment or a chance to live a long life. Choice seems pretty clear to me. I dunno why you guys don't see it the same way.

[getreal]

They were really losing me when the series became an excuse for silly song & dance Broadway numbers in the middle of the office. I enjoyed the first episode with George Michael singing "Faith", but when each successive episode was just a lame lawyer version of "Cop Rock" I was really getting turned off. I'm glad the writer's figured out that they had already over-milked the musical visions and went with straight visions.

That said, there should have been considerably more panic and confusion when the earthquake struck while the partners were in the boardroom. They were way too composed, IMHO.

[Graymalkin]

Spoiler from the previous episode:Now that he's had a vision of himself in Times Square in 2018, he must know that he's going to live at least that long.

[atrac]

Spoiler from the previous episode:Now that he's had a vision of himself in Times Square in 2018, he must know that he's going to live at least that long.

Good point!

I'm guessing in the next episode we will witness him getting the operation and see everyone's reaction to it, maybe even seeing what his life is like after the operation - possibly no more visions, etc. Then he realizes that he should not have had the operation -- and then "wakes up" and realizes that the operation and the aftermath were all a vision and then does not go through with it.

[getreal]

yea, I think you missed the episode where Eli and Jordan worked with George Michael on a case. Jordan began to find something worthwhile in the kind of cases Eli was taking, and they began to build bridges between them then.

Eli Stone is an anagram for Elite Son. That sort of describes Jordan's relationship with him, wouldn't you say?

[Graymalkin]

Eli Stone is also an anagram for Tile Nose, but I'm not sure how that fits into the show's mythology. :D

[dswallow]

Spoiler from the previous episode:Now that he's had a vision of himself in Times Square in 2018, he must know that he's going to live at least that long.

But he doesn't know if it's because he had the operation or because he didn't have the operation.

[Peter000]

I'll bet that he gets the surgery and then it turns out that his visions and prophecies had nothing to do with the aneurysm.

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

That's close to what I've been thinking, which is that his and his dad's aneurysms are the result, not the cause, of their divine calling.

Cool theory. Maybe "God" or whatever, gave him the visions not only to do good deeds, but discover his aneurysm. Which he was supposed to have removed so he could continue doing good deeds. :)

[Peter000]

Spoiler from the previous episode:Now that he's had a vision of himself in Times Square in 2018, he must know that he's going to live at least that long.

But he doesn't know if it's because he had the operation or because he didn't have the operation.

Right. And clearly he can change any future he witnesses in his visions. That's the point.

I think whether he lives or dies will be up to TV executives deciding on the show's fate.

I sure HOPE they don't have a cliffhanger episode next week. That would be really frustrating. Closure! Give us closure!

[newsposter]

i can picture a long line of people wanting to see the prophet...he pretty much sealed his own fate by being so publicly right. He will get no peace now

[Graymalkin]

He needs to take a trip -- to Phoenix, Arizona. Then he can have a chat with Alison DuBois. :D

[BeanMeScot]

Great episode but I am surprised they went through with the "big one" earthquake. I was figuring they would have a smaller event. Maybe a 3 or so that would be felt and cause the bridge to develop cracks and need to be checked for safety but would be fine. Most shows don't go that far outside of reality. After all, the GGB still exists and is fine and there has been no major earthquake.

[busyba]

So this is now two television episodes that Peter Billingsley has guest starred in that featured a major SF earthquake.

Just thought I'd drop a little trivia on all y'all. :)

[DevdogAZ]

So this is now two television episodes that Peter Billingsley has guest starred in that featured a major SF earthquake.

Just thought I'd drop a little trivia on all y'all. :)
Ralphie was in this episode? Who was he? And what was the other show/episode?

[busyba]

Ralphie was in this episode? Who was he? And what was the other show/episode?

Crap.

Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap. :mad:

Obviously, I meant John Billingsley. :o

[Fish Man]

Eli Stone is also an anagram for Tile Nose, but I'm not sure how that fits into the show's mythology. :D

Thanks for making me laugh beer up my nose. (Yep, it's 10:00 PM, I'm drinkin' a beer!) ;)

[Fish Man]

I think there are two possibilities for next week:

1) Eli gets the operation, it's a success, and he continues to have the visions anyway, proving that they actually had nothing to do with the aneurysm.

or.


2) In the preview, there was a clip from the operating room where the lead surgeon says, "We have a hemorrhage!" and then all the doctors and nurses go into damage control mode. It could be that the surgery was aborted when the hemorrhage occurred, so the aneurysm was never actually removed.

[astrohip]

No offense but have you actually lived through an Earthquake?
None taken, I'm in Houston. Have no idea what a quake is really like. So I'll defer to you, or others who have lived thru them.

But I still "feel" like there should be mass destruction for 100's of square miles. That's what TV has taught me should happen. :D

[Martyp]

None taken, I'm in Houston. Have no idea what a quake is really like. So I'll defer to you, or others who have lived thru them.

But I still "feel" like there should be mass destruction for 100's of square miles. That's what TV has taught me should happen. :D

Well you do know that you get more damage from your twisters every year then we get from earthquakes

[JYoung]

Crap.

Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap. :mad:

Obviously, I meant John Billingsley. :o

This is also the second character he's played named "Foote" on TV.

[lmk911]

None taken, I'm in Houston. Have no idea what a quake is really like. So I'll defer to you, or others who have lived thru them.

But I still "feel" like there should be mass destruction for 100's of square miles. That's what TV has taught me should happen. :D

There are other factors that can determine the amount of damage, such as the duration of the quake, what fault line, location of the epicenter, soil quality, and depth of the quake. Size is not always an indicator.

[atrac]

And what about Silver Terrace? I hope we'll hear something about that next week.

Indeed. That was the one plot point that was missing at the end of the episode, but I think if they cut to it that it would have taken away from the impact of seeing the Golden Gate take a dive.

I'd be surprised if they don't mention it next week, since we had a whole episode about it (and numerous references to it since -- even in this one!).

[loubob57]

When they rebuild the GGB will they paint it blue and call it the Azure Gate Bridge?
Sliders

[getreal]

So this is now two television episodes that Peter Billingsley has guest starred in that featured a major SF earthquake.

Just thought I'd drop a little trivia on all y'all. :)

Peter Billingsley was in this (or any) episode of Eli Stone? I think not.

But while looking him up in IMDB, I checked out Jonny Lee Miller's bio. I was surprised to learn that he is British! And that he was married to Angelina Jolie from '96 - '99. And that his grandfather played "M" in the early James Bond films.

Crap.

Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap. :mad:

Obviously, I meant John Billingsley. :o

Okay, I hadn't seen the second page of threads before I replied ...

[getreal]

Size is not always an indicator.

That's what SHE said! ;)

[astrohip]

That's what SHE said! ;)
She was trying not to hurt your feelings. :D

[lmk911]

That's what SHE said! ;)

She was trying not to hurt your feelings. :D

ROFLMAO
:D

[atrac]

But while looking him up in IMDB, I checked out Jonny Lee Miller's bio. I was surprised to learn that he is British! And that he was married to Angelina Jolie from '96 - '99. And that his grandfather played "M" in the early James Bond films.


LOL! I was just IM'ing all of this information to my friend Sunday evening after the show. I had known all of it before going to IMDB except the Bernard Lee connection. That is *totally* cool.

Jonny and Angelina met on the set of "Hackers" (one of my guilty pleasures).

Going back to last week's episode.....it looks like they discover a cure for baldness in the future, 'cause there ain't no way Eli would still have that much hair in the future (at the rate he's going). ;)

[teknikel]

These last 5 or so shows have been great. I just watched the last 3 because I couldn't stop.

Questions: Was Patty at GGP? If not, where did she go? Is she hurt/dead?

Nitpick: Can you really see the GGB from GGP? Lincoln Park I thought yes but I don't think GGP. But it has been a while.

[DevdogAZ]

These last 5 or so shows have been great. I just watched the last 3 because I couldn't stop.

Questions: Was Patty at GGP? If not, where did she go? Is she hurt/dead?

Nitpick: Can you really see the GGB from GGP? Lincoln Park I thought yes but I don't think GGP. But it has been a while.

I'm not sure if you can see GGB from there, but I thought the vantage point of the bridge destruction actually looked like it was from the northeast side of the bay, looking out toward the ocean.

[WO312]

These last 5 or so shows have been great. I just watched the last 3 because I couldn't stop.

Questions: Was Patty at GGP? If not, where did she go? Is she hurt/dead?

Nitpick: Can you really see the GGB from GGP? Lincoln Park I thought yes but I don't think GGP. But it has been a while.
Patty was shown prominently standing right behind Eli at the park.

[wprager]

Spoiler from the previous episode:Now that he's had a vision of himself in Times Square in 2018, he must know that he's going to live at least that long.

He also had a vision of Maggie's fiance on the bridge during the Earthquake (by the way, why spoiler info from *last* week?)

OK, I was late watching it -- watched it yesterday. Twice, in fact. I think I got my wife hooked (she's seen about three episodes now). I really liked this episode, not sure exactly why, but I liked it.

As for the finale, I think we'll be left with a cliff-hanger. From the previews:
it appears that he is in a coma, where he's seeing some more visions or flashbacks or what not; obviously his living will comes into the picture in a big way, since it was Eli's intention to be taken off life support if he's in a coma with no chance of coming out -- who (other than his accupuncturist) will fight to prove that there still is a chance?

[whitson77]

This show is so great. Can't wait for tonight.

[Peter000]

My prediction is that he's in a coma, and they ultimately pull the plug, but he wakes up anyway.

I just think they CAN'T end this on a cliffhanger. It would be too mean. :D

[Bierboy]

That's what SHE said! ;)

Thanks, Michael.

[Bierboy]

Good point, although the previews show the post op scenes.

Please spoilerize ANY comments about previews...see board rules.

[PajamaFeet]

Please spoilerize ANY comments about previews...see board rules.:up:

Now I need to keep my mouth shut while watching the season finale. We try not to watch previews, because they give away too much and ruin it.