Burn Notice Season 1 Marathon, Season 2 Starts July 10

[BeanMeScot]

USA is going to start rerunning the first season of Burn Notice every Thurs starting April 17th at 11pm. The new season will start July 10.

This was a really good show if you didn't catch it last time. Like The Closer, it is good enough for the regular season, not just a summer replacement.

The main character, Michael is a spook who received a Burn Notice which means he is not allowed to leave where he was dropped (Miami) and he no longer works for the company. He starts doing PI type work to make ends meet while he tries to find out who burned him and why.

Check it out. You won't regret it!

[gchance]

I'll be the first to agree, if you haven't, watch it! And even if you have, watch it, this show is great. It's fun, serious when it needs to be, but not too dark. And come on, Bruce Campbell's in it.

Just ignore the woman's accent. :)

Greg

[Cainebj]

Thanks for the heads up - I was looking forward to season 1 coming out on DVD and now... I don't have to :up:

Total agreement - GREAT show!

[vertigo235]

I will only watch if it's in HD, any idea if it will be HD, or at least the new season will be HD?

[justen_m]

Just ignore the woman's accent. :)
I love Gabrielle Anwar. Fiona is an hilarious character.
Glad to hear the show is coming back. I thought it might have been a 1 season wonder.

[BeanMeScot]

I will only watch if it's in HD, any idea if it will be HD, or at least the new season will be HD?

The commercial was on USA HD and the original show was in HD.

[davezatz]

Yep, great show. Burn Notice and Dexter are probably the best shows on TV right now. Anyone know when Burn Notice is coming out on DVD? I think my mom would enjoy it (and she got rid of her TiVo). I suppose I could record them all and burn to DVD for her, but I'd rather just spend the $40 or whatever.

[vertigo235]

The commercial was on USA HD and the original show was in HD.

If I recall, USA switched to HD towards the end of the first season and I remember being disapointed that this show was not being presented in HD.

I'll give it a go again though, I did like the show, but i stopped watching it for some reason.

[marksman]

I loved it, but lost the last handful of episodes when my dvr drive got erased. So I will be looking forward to seeing those and the new season.
Thanks for the heads up.

[Roswell]

According to my Netflix queue, Season 1 is scheduled for release in June of thid year.

[MickeS]

I never got around to watching this show, thanks for the heads up!

[newsposter]

but didnt they show BSG in HD at the end of last year too and then when i was catching up on repeats, it wasnt HD on the saturday shows.

[sushikitten]

Might just have to watch this again! :up:

[davezatz]

Anyone know when Burn Notice is coming out on DVD?

Answering my own quesiton... ;) Amazon has it listed (http://www.amazon.com/Burn-Notice-Season-Jeffrey-Donovan/dp/B0015RRNMA/) for $35 ($50 retail) shipping on June 17th. Maybe I'll order it now for my mom so I won't have to remember in two months.

EDIT: Ordered!

[Hunter Green]

And come on, Bruce Campbell's in it.
To those of us for whom this is not usually a recommendation, don't worry: he's perfectly cast this one time. He's salt: usually he's overused to drown out a bad taste, but when he's used just the right amount in just the right place, he brings out the flavor of everything around him.

[Bai Shen]

Sweet. I'm looking forward to this. :)

[TiVo Bum]

My thanks to all those that recommended this. Just watched Season 1 and it's great. Loved Jeffrey Donovan in Touching Evil from a couple years back. Looks like this will have a much longer run for him.

And oh yeah - Gabrielle Anwar is hot! :)

[Jon J]

I just tried to set up a recording online for tonite on my HR20-700 on the USA HD channel but could only access the SD version. Has anyone else been able to schedule the recording?

ETA: Just got the confirming e-mail and the recording did indeed setup on USA HD. Go figure. ;)

[windracer]

Sweet! Glad this is coming back ...

[BrandonRe]

/Shakes fist

Damn you Cox, for not carrying USA HD!

[betts4]

Yay! This is a great show and I am glad that they are running it again. I can't wait for the new season!

[jwjody]

I set up a season pass for this. I missed the last marathon they had. I started watching the first 10 minutes this morning getting ready for work and I enjoyed it. And I don't care about Anwar's accent. She's hot!

I've loved her since her short but great part in Scent of a Woman.

J

[vertigo235]

Was it shown in HD?

[laststarfighter]

I set up a season pass for this. I missed the last marathon they had. I started watching the first 10 minutes this morning getting ready for work and I enjoyed it. And I don't care about Anwar's accent. She's hot!

I've loved her since her short but great part in Scent of a Woman.

J
Don't worry, she will drop it in later episodes.

[BeanMeScot]

Was it shown in HD?

No, it wasn't. Athough I recorded it on USA HD.

At first, I was just going to wait until the new season. Then I decided to record the pilot anyway. Man, I forgot just how good this show is. A lot of shows flounder a bit in the pilot but this one was perfect right from the start!

[TIVO_GUY_HERE]

Oh man I can't wait till July 10th. Seems like forever since the season ended.

[Magister]

I'll be the first to agree, if you haven't, watch it! And even if you have, watch it, this show is great. It's fun, serious when it needs to be, but not too dark. And come on, Bruce Campbell's in it.

Just ignore the woman's accent. :)

Greg

I actually originally found this show because I have a Wishlist for Bruce Campbell setup.

Wonderful show that even my wife likes. The violence isn't that bad. I don't remember seeing much blood. Looking forward to Season 2!!!

[newsposter]

it's weird seeing that girlfriend in the tutors for another season

[hummingbird_206]

Thread title says "Burn Notice Season 1 Marathon..." so is there acutally a marathon (all of the eps airing one right after the other) or are they just replaying 1 ep weekly? I can't find the marathon if there really is one :( I caught the pilot ep last week and really enjoyed it. I'm all for instantaneous gratification, so if I could catch a marathon, that would be much better than just once a week:D

[sketcher]

Thread title says "Burn Notice Season 1 Marathon..." so is there acutally a marathon (all of the eps airing one right after the other) or are they just replaying 1 ep weekly? I can't find the marathon if there really is one :( I caught the pilot ep last week and really enjoyed it. I'm all for instantaneous gratification, so if I could catch a marathon, that would be much better than just once a week:D
I was wondering about this too.

[Graymalkin]

Even better news...

TV Guide reports that Tricia Helfer ("6" on Battlestar Galactica) will play Michael's handler in a story arc this season.

Mmm, Tricia and Gabrielle in tough-girl-on-tough-girl action. Me likey.

[BeanMeScot]

Even better news...

TV Guide reports that Tricia Helfer ("6" on Battlestar Galactica) will play Michael's handler in a story arc this season.

Mmm, Tricia and Gabrielle in tough-girl-on-tough-girl action. Me likey.

I think Gabrielle could take her. ;)

[BeanMeScot]

Thread title says "Burn Notice Season 1 Marathon..." so is there acutally a marathon (all of the eps airing one right after the other) or are they just replaying 1 ep weekly? I can't find the marathon if there really is one :( I caught the pilot ep last week and really enjoyed it. I'm all for instantaneous gratification, so if I could catch a marathon, that would be much better than just once a week:D

When I first saw the commercial, I thought they were doing a marathon. It was only later I realized they were going to do one per week until the new season but by then it was too late.

[hummingbird_206]

When I first saw the commercial, I thought they were doing a marathon. It was only later I realized they were going to do one per week until the new season but by then it was too late.

Drat! Thanks for the info.

[5thcrewman]

Even better news...

TV Guide reports that Tricia Helfer ("6" on Battlestar Galactica) will play Michael's handler in a story arc this season.

Mmm, Tricia and Gabrielle in tough-girl-on-tough-girl action. Me likey.

Saw TH in a Burn Notice commercial during BSG last night.:up:

[Zevida]

I love this show! I'm really enjoying reliving Season 1 and I can't wait for season 2 to start. I think the DVDs will be a belated Father's Day gift for my dad.

[thurston608]

you can also see all of season one on the usa website (http://www.usanetwork.com/series/burnnotice/video/fullep/) now...glad they did this...i watch in my office enve though ive seen all of them already..

[TIVO_GUY_HERE]

I'm really hating all these Burn Notice commercials. ( Well not really they are well done)
But I WANT the season to start now!!!

[Hunter Green]

"Everybody Wants You" is a great choice for that commercial.

[Zevida]

I love the commercials for the new season. So much eye candy. They put Jeffrey Donovan in the greatest clothes. He is so yummy. And Bruce Campbell is still nice looking too. And I agree, the music they chose is great. They should be running those commercials on NBC too.

[thurston608]

Yeah and plenty of sex appeal on the other side...I can't wait for tricia helfer to show up...and gabrielle..mmmmmmmm, come on july 10th.

[Church AV Guy]

I really liked the first season, and am looking forward to the second one. I missed this thread early on so I didn't see the first few episodes. I had seen them the first time, but I really wanted to see them all again. Sigh...

In the latest episode:

When Gabrielle said that there was something wrong with Lucy Lawless.my wife turned to me and said, "Well, yeah! She's a cylon." She never makes jokes like that, and kind of thought it was funny. She didn't regenerate after that fall.

I think that role was made FOR Bruce Campbell. He is perfect in it as the sidekick. It's no Brisco, but it is plenty good for him.

[Cainebj]

/Shakes fist
Damn you Cox, for not carrying USA HD!

+1

Damn you Time Warner Cable NY for not carrying USA HD!

[lambertman]

There is a legit marathon scheduled now. It starts at 6:30 am on July 3rd.

[thurston608]

ill be watching all day...anyone have any wild (or coherent) theories was to why he was burned?

[newsposter]

i'm guessing he made someone angry

[marksman]

Watching the last few episodes of season 1 I realized why I like this show.

For one, it follows a pretty simple formula most weeks. Help out someone in distress in Miami (sort of A-Teamish I guess), and then a B-Story of dealing with the Burn Notice. That is it, pretty much every week. Once in a while the Burn Notice takes the front story but most of the times not.

The kicker is though, nobody dies and the show does not take itself too seriously. It is very entertaining without any pretense about trying to keep it real. I think we have gotten so far into trying to make all television "real" that we forget that television can sometimes and should sometimes just be entertaining fun. I don't need gritty realism all the time, and there is none to be had in Burn Notice.

[philw1776]

Me, I'm a bit pissed that Michael didn't stop Deanna from killing herself before she revealed the 5th Cylon.

[Hunter Green]

ill be watching all day...anyone have any wild (or coherent) theories was to why he was burned?
Just to be ridiculously careful, I'll spoiler mark this, even though it's just my thoughts, I have no inside track. But I came to this theory middle of my first time through season one, and now while we're rewatching it, it's holding up remarkably well to scrutiny, in fact, making me even more sure.
Fiona did it.

Go back and watch all the efforts she takes to subtly discourage him from trying to get out of being burned. Distracting him from the documents he's obtained. Getting him tied down in Miami. All the while, trying to "trap" him in a relationship.

She got him burned to try to force him to sit still long enough to fall back in love with her. She pinned him in Miami in hopes that family would help pin him down. That's why she was there when he came to after the burn.

Watch the last two episodes with this in mind. She's ruthless, unstable, and very cunning at playing both sides against the middle for her own purposes. It shows through in lots of little things she does.

I'm not sure how she did it yet. Probably framed him or set him up somehow. I suppose we'll find out someday.

[hummingbird_206]

Just to be ridiculously careful, I'll spoiler mark this, even though it's just my thoughts, I have no inside track. But I came to this theory middle of my first time through season one, and now while we're rewatching it, it's holding up remarkably well to scrutiny, in fact, making me even more sure.
Fiona did it.

Go back and watch all the efforts she takes to subtly discourage him from trying to get out of being burned. Distracting him from the documents he's obtained. Getting him tied down in Miami. All the while, trying to "trap" him in a relationship.

She got him burned to try to force him to sit still long enough to fall back in love with her. She pinned him in Miami in hopes that family would help pin him down. That's why she was there when he came to after the burn.

Watch the last two episodes with this in mind. She's ruthless, unstable, and very cunning at playing both sides against the middle for her own purposes. It shows through in lots of little things she does.

I'm not sure how she did it yet. Probably framed him or set him up somehow. I suppose we'll find out someday.


I like your theory. Hadn't crossed my mind, but seems pretty plausible. Guess time will tell.

[Bai Shen]

Just to be ridiculously careful, I'll spoiler mark this, even though it's just my thoughts, I have no inside track. But I came to this theory middle of my first time through season one, and now while we're rewatching it, it's holding up remarkably well to scrutiny, in fact, making me even more sure.
Fiona did it.

Go back and watch all the efforts she takes to subtly discourage him from trying to get out of being burned. Distracting him from the documents he's obtained. Getting him tied down in Miami. All the while, trying to "trap" him in a relationship.

She got him burned to try to force him to sit still long enough to fall back in love with her. She pinned him in Miami in hopes that family would help pin him down. That's why she was there when he came to after the burn.

Watch the last two episodes with this in mind. She's ruthless, unstable, and very cunning at playing both sides against the middle for her own purposes. It shows through in lots of little things she does.

I'm not sure how she did it yet. Probably framed him or set him up somehow. I suppose we'll find out someday.

I thought that halfway through the first episode. However, I don't think it's true.

I think she didn't burn him, but instead is capitolizing on it. So she's deliberately trying to steer him away from undoing the notice, but she didn't actually set him up originally.

[gschrock]

+1

Damn you Time Warner Cable NY for not carrying USA HD!

FWIW, the reruns at least haven't seemed to be in HD (either that I screwed up recording it). I tried recording one shortly after I got my hr20, and ended up deleting it after checking it and discovering it wasn't hd. I figure I'm going to rewatch the season before season 2 (which I'm hoping is in HD?).

[Church AV Guy]

Wild speculation follows:

I have thought for a long time that Michael's father was not just an absentee dad, but was in reality, a spy himself. Michael's burn was not because of anything he had done, but was in some way a means of leveraging his father into something. I know they have said things that would contradict this, but spys lie about stuff all the time.

[JLucPicard]

Wild speculation follows:

I have thought for a long time that Michael's father was not just an absentee dad, but was in reality, a spy himself. Michael's burn was not because of anything he had done, but was in some way a means of leveraging his father into something. I know they have said things that would contradict this, but spys lie about stuff all the time.
I know it happens a lot in the "spy genre" that people that are supposed to be dead really aren't, but I thought Michael's father was dead? Hard to leverage a dead guy into something. (Unless I'm misunderstanding your point :)).

[Zevida]

Oh, I hope Michael's father isn't alive. That would be too much like Prison Break.

[Hunter Green]

I think she didn't burn him, but instead is capitolizing on it. So she's deliberately trying to steer him away from undoing the notice, but she didn't actually set him up originally.
She's definitely capitalizing on it, she's virtually admitting that to him. But there's a bunch of specific things which I can't bring to mind right now that made me think it's more than that. That she was the first one there in Miami is just the smallest of them.

There's details in how she reacts to particular things in the last few episodes, and how the other people react to her, that suggest relationships she's keeping quiet with the people who did the burn, and hint that she's not just trying to keep him burned to keep him there. It's not enough that he can't get out of it -- he also can't find out why. Because that would mean he'd find out who and how, too.

Anyway, it's far from a slam dunk, but the harder I try to disprove it or find an alternative, the stronger it gets -- enough that I'm sure that the writers have thought it. They may not have decided the true answer, but I bet this is on the short list.

Add me to the list of those who think having his dad be alive would be a disappointment. That's not the kind of show this is. Now, finding out that dad's death has some relevance to something else, that would be entirely suitable.

[Church AV Guy]

I know it happens a lot in the "spy genre" that people that are supposed to be dead really aren't, but I thought Michael's father was dead? Hard to leverage a dead guy into something. (Unless I'm misunderstanding your point :)).
It isn't necessary for his father to actually still be alive for him and his "spy" legacy to have been the reason for Michael's burn notice. At any rate, I said it was WILD speculation. There is no basis in the show for any of this.

On July 2, there will be a real marathon of Burn Notice. My DVR isn't listing the show titles, just the same generic description for all of them, but there are enough episodes that it is likely the whole series.

[Bai Shen]

She's definitely capitalizing on it, she's virtually admitting that to him. But there's a bunch of specific things which I can't bring to mind right now that made me think it's more than that. That she was the first one there in Miami is just the smallest of them.

There's details in how she reacts to particular things in the last few episodes, and how the other people react to her, that suggest relationships she's keeping quiet with the people who did the burn, and hint that she's not just trying to keep him burned to keep him there. It's not enough that he can't get out of it -- he also can't find out why. Because that would mean he'd find out who and how, too.

Anyway, it's far from a slam dunk, but the harder I try to disprove it or find an alternative, the stronger it gets -- enough that I'm sure that the writers have thought it. They may not have decided the true answer, but I bet this is on the short list.

Add me to the list of those who think having his dad be alive would be a disappointment. That's not the kind of show this is. Now, finding out that dad's death has some relevance to something else, that would be entirely suitable.

Hmm. It's been awhile(since the original broadcasts), so I don't really remember. I'll have to go back and rewatch things to correctly debate this. :)

And I agree about the dad.

BTW, am I the only one disappointed by the lack of airtime for the Charger?

[marksman]

Just to be ridiculously careful, I'll spoiler mark this, even though it's just my thoughts, I have no inside track. But I came to this theory middle of my first time through season one, and now while we're rewatching it, it's holding up remarkably well to scrutiny, in fact, making me even more sure.
Fiona did it.

Go back and watch all the efforts she takes to subtly discourage him from trying to get out of being burned. Distracting him from the documents he's obtained. Getting him tied down in Miami. All the while, trying to "trap" him in a relationship.

She got him burned to try to force him to sit still long enough to fall back in love with her. She pinned him in Miami in hopes that family would help pin him down. That's why she was there when he came to after the burn.

Watch the last two episodes with this in mind. She's ruthless, unstable, and very cunning at playing both sides against the middle for her own purposes. It shows through in lots of little things she does.

I'm not sure how she did it yet. Probably framed him or set him up somehow. I suppose we'll find out someday.

I always just assumed she did not want him leaving Miami because she wanted a chance for them to be together in one place and work on the relationship. I saw those signs but just interpreted them differently.

[thurston608]

great theories...i'd always had thoughts about fiona bouncing around in the back of my head as far as who burned michael...but i feel like thats a bit too direct...i like the wild speculation of it having something to do with his father...not necessarily that his father did it, but that its somehow related...another thing i love aobut this show..you can just jump right in and try to figure out the mystery..

side note...ive been to south beach before, but i'd love to get a chance to go to some of the places they film...man just some amazing locales.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

The kicker is though, nobody dies and the show does not take itself too seriously. It is very entertaining without any pretense about trying to keep it real. I think we have gotten so far into trying to make all television "real" that we forget that television can sometimes and should sometimes just be entertaining fun. I don't need gritty realism all the time, and there is none to be had in Burn Notice.
What about the guy that had his chest ventilated on top of the parking garage?

I just started watching Burn Notice when they were re-running the first season. (I did watch the pilot when it was a freebie on Unbox) I am really looking forward to Season 2.

Oh, and how the heck is Sam going to get his Caddy back?

[jebbbz]

What about the guy that had his chest ventilated on top of the parking garage?


He's not dead, he's pining...

[EvilMidniteBombr]

He's not dead, he's pining...
Pining? ;)

[Church AV Guy]

Pining for the fjords, maybe. He's just really Tired And Shagged Out After A long arguement. In this forum, probably over what needs to be, and need not be spoilerized.

[EvilMidniteBombr]

Pining For The Fjords!?

[marksman]

What about the guy that had his chest ventilated on top of the parking garage?

I just started watching Burn Notice when they were re-running the first season. (I did watch the pilot when it was a freebie on Unbox) I am really looking forward to Season 2.

Oh, and how the heck is Sam going to get his Caddy back?

Haha I just saw that.. So some people do die. I think I saw someone else die, but it is not the norm. :)

Plus I don't know if we know he died or not.

[Jon J]

What about the guy that had his chest ventilated on top of the parking garage?That was Toby from West Wing who went to work for the CIA/NSA/whatever after being canned as senior advisor at the White House. ;)

[EvilMidniteBombr]

Haha I just saw that.. So some people do die. I think I saw someone else die, but it is not the norm. :)

Plus I don't know if we know he died or not.You're right, not many people are killed. As someone else mentioned, it is very reminiscent of the A-Team.

But I am pretty sure he's not pining. That was a pretty big hole and I think that Michael checked for a pulse just before he heard sirens.

[Squeege96]

Comcast in my area just started presenting USA Network in high def. I re-watched the entire season, and it looked Glorious! I can't wait for season 2 to start!

[thurston608]

Comcast in my area just started presenting USA Network in high def. I re-watched the entire season, and it looked Glorious! I can't wait for season 2 to start!

Yeah the HD addition was huge...im addicted to my big screen, so even shows i like take a notch down when they arent presented in HD or the channel isnt available...having burn notice (and alll the other USA shows) in HD now just adds to the anticipation..

[anotherme]

This is a great show, however I have never seen a show with such an ugly girlfriend, that everyone acts like she's good looking. Maybe she is just not photogenic, but come on, she is a 4 and he's a 9. No way!

[marksman]

This is a great show, however I have never seen a show with such an ugly girlfriend, that everyone acts like she's good looking. Maybe she is just not photogenic, but come on, she is a 4 and he's a 9. No way!

OMG ARE YOU INSANE

[flyers088]

OMG ARE YOU INSANE

+100. There is no way she is a 4. She is an 8 or 9 easy.

[TiVo Bum]

+100. There is no way she is a 4. She is an 8 or 9 easy.I can only pray that she's easy. I may bump into her one day. :)

And I agree - anyone that thinks she's a 4 is certifiable and probably should be reported to a moderator. ;)

[newsposter]

just watched the 2 hour show...i remembered most of it but it was still a nice refresher. The problem i have with the ep is why you'd spend so much time meeting in a 'secure' spot then stand outside in the open instead of in a cemented stairwell etc?

and i agree about the 4 :) everyone has different faces they like.

[bychance]

I saw the first season on DVD and pondered on buying it, I liked it from the little I saw, but the price was way too high (at Borders).

[mwhip]

Been catching up and it is pretty good. Kind of a combo of Remington Steele, Macgyver and Alias. I do have to agree though Anwar's accent is annoying since it comes and goes during the course of an episode.

[dansee]

I saw the first season on DVD and pondered on buying it, I liked it from the little I saw, but the price was way too high (at Borders).

Whole first season is there for the viewing on hulu.com. :)

[Bierboy]

This is a great show, however I have never seen a show with such an ugly girlfriend, that everyone acts like she's good looking. Maybe she is just not photogenic, but come on, she is a 4 and he's a 9. No way!

Obviously, you're no catch then, either....:D

[philw1776]

Love the show which I discoverd in this rerun thread.
Here's a fun interview with "Burn Notice" creator. Mild spoilers of minimal consequence in my opinion.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/spy-hard-a-talk.html

[marksman]

I take back the dead thing sort of.. Finally watching the last two hours, when Sam is Kidnapped, and at the end of the second to last hour :

3 people die in 5 seconds. Two people blown up in the car and then the guy he thought burned him got shot in the head. Seemingly later the two people who got blown up were shown alive so only one of the three died, but still...

So that leaves at least a body count of two for the season.

[JLucPicard]

I take back the dead thing sort of.. Finally watching the last two hours, when Sam is Kidnapped, and at the end of the second to last hour :

3 people die in 5 seconds. Two people blown up in the car and then the guy he thought burned him got shot in the head. Seemingly later the two people who got blown up were shown alive so only one of the three died, but still...

So that leaves at least a body count of two for the season.
The guy he thought burned him got shot in the chest. The two that got blown up in the car most definitely did not show up again later. They were pieces after they got blown up.

And I'm sorry - I just cracked up when you referenced the "end of the second to last hour" of a two hour program. :) Most people would have said "at the end of the first hour". I kind of liked your's better, for some reason.

[ellinj]

Sorry if I smeeked but it looks like there is going to be a legit marathon on 7/10.

[thurston608]

to the person who thought gabrielle anwar wasnt hot...what exactly are you smoking...who else is excited for tomorrow night. I almost wish there were spoilers out so i could know what was going to happen...

I think someone else might have mentioned it...but how does bruce end up getting the caddy back now?

[Fl_Gulfer]

I'm so excited I just can't hide it....

[newsposter]

to the person who thought gabrielle anwar wasnt hot...what exactly are you smoking..

thats why women are all different..if they were the same, there would be issues too complicated for man to figure out. :eek: I guarantee you 100% of any population will never think 'someone' is hot

[MegaHertz67]

I guarantee you 100% of any population will never think 'someone' is hotExcept Angelina Jolie. I haven't met a man or woman yet that won't agree she's hot. She might not be your type, but she is definitely hot.

As for Gabrielle Anwar, she was hot when she was younger. I still think she's very pretty, her body is still hot, but her face has not aged as well. But for 38, she looks great.

The problem for her is Jeffrey Donvan is 40 and looks 10 years younger than she does.

[Hunter Green]

Seriously, Angelina Jolie's your go-to person for that? She's one I would have listed as the definitive example of where there's disagreement on that, because individuals can't even agree with themselves. She's hot from some angles and in some moments, and then other times you just wonder, what the heck? (And I know it's not just me. Wish PvP had a good search engine so I could quote a comic strip they ran about this issue, and link to the subsequent forum discussions.)