Battlestar Galactica 4/11/08 *spoilers*

[DLL66]

So..............is Starbuck right? How 'bout those Centorions!

[philw1776]

I really like the conflict among the Cylons. Great drama. The different aspect of the always eminently watchable Six is interesting. Clearly model Tricia Helfer was an unexpected find as an actress.

[MickeS]

Tricia Helfer rocks.

I thought this episode was great actually. I loved that Adama is sending Starbuck out to find earth, it was the most logical decision and would have annoyed me to no end if he didn't.

[Kamakzie]

I thought it was a good solid episode.

[edhara]

This frakking show actually made me cry.

[Bierboy]

Three things --

Cavil - "At least I'm machine enough to admit I'm wrong."

Cavil - "Say what?!"

Roslin looks like Loretta Lynn.




And, oh yeah, solid episode moving things forward.

[Gunnyman]

Excellent episode.
One thing bugs me though. Why haven't the "new 4" sought "Boomer's" advice?
She's a cylon denying her programming just like they want to be.

[TriBruin]

A very good episode. I enjoyed it.

Loved Lee's line to Dee "Looks like you got the House"

Looks like we have the start to a Cylon Civil War! Guess when the other Cylon's boxed the D'annas they left themselves open to tie votes. Should have thought that through a little more. :rolleyes:

I hope the the producers can continue this through the end of the Season. We may have a good ending yet.

[TriBruin]

Excellent episode.
One thing bugs me though. Why haven't the "new 4" sought "Boomer's" advice?
She's a cylon denying her programming just like they want to be.

I think they are still trying to figure out how to handle this themselves. Beside, Athena has become a member of the crew, revealing themselves to be Cylons to Athena would be just as bad as revealing it to Adama.

[Cainebj]

well.

i've watched the entire show on DVD for the first time in the last 2 months and have been loving it... even all the stand alone episodes that i have heard others complain about...

but - this episode threw me for a loop
everybody seemed out of character
i was confused :)

[hefe]

Very intense.

Me likey.

[Odds Bodkins]

Best show on TV reclaims it's throne with that episode. When one plot line wraps up, two more start up. Fantastic drama and the quickest hour I've ever spent.

[pjenkins]

interesting that certain cylons want to make other cylons back into 'toasters' that don't think so they can control them... didn't see that twist coming but it has already shown to be a great plot device, i thought the 2 shows so far have been excellent!

[Peter000]

Excellent episode.
One thing bugs me though. Why haven't the "new 4" sought "Boomer's" advice?
She's a cylon denying her programming just like they want to be.

They don't want to be thrown off the ship. Boomer is loyal to Galactica.

No question they can't reveal themselves yet.

[JoeyJoJo]

I like where they're going. The original Centurians must have been sentient in order to rebel and go to war with the colonies. Apparently the skin-jobs have been repressing that sentience. Six really opened a pandora's box by removing that inhibitor thingy.

[philw1776]

Six really opened a pandora's box by removing that inhibitor thingy.

Exactly! I would never remove my inhibitions were I around Six. Gawd knows what would happen...

[ronsch]

I really like the conflict among the Cylons. Great drama. The different aspect of the always eminently watchable Six is interesting. Clearly model Tricia Helfer was an unexpected find as an actress.

Six: They're not here to vote!

[cwerdna]

Were there a lot of audio glitches (brief partial second dropouts) in the broadcast?

There were in mine w/the 7 pm showing. I receive the east coast feed in the west coast via DirecTV.

This doesn't happen regularly w/anything I receive and I think has hardly ever (or never) happened w/BSG eps on Sci Fi channel.

[Tangent]

Great episode!

Were there a lot of audio glitches (brief partial second dropouts) in the broadcast?

There were in mine w/the 7 pm showing. I receive the east coast feed in the west coast via DirecTV.

This doesn't happen regularly w/anything I receive and I think has hardly ever (or never) happened w/BSG eps on Sci Fi channel.

Noticed the same thing. Also west coast DirecTV.

[Maximus67]

Nobody has brought up Baltar seeing an "apparition" of Baltar.
We have seen Balter seeing apparitiond of Six. Six seeing apparitions of Baltar, but Baltar seeing apparitions Baltar???

"Oh My God! Oh my Giddy-Og!" :D

What are the apparitions?

Also, did anyone notice that Baltar had an apple in his hand when he sat down to talk to Roslyn's assistant Tori? Was that a metaphor for temptation? When he pulled the line out of his butt, about the cacophony of noise filtering into a song, or a single melody (ie the song four out of the remaining 5 heard) it seemed to touch a nerve with Tori.

Will this help her find salvation, or lead her to a path of darkness?

Hmmmmm.....

[Maximus67]

BTW, Sci-Fi has been showing the episodes on their website at Noon, EST on Fridays (9:00AM) for us West Coast folks. For those of us who need their fix ASAP, it is welcome relief.

just thought some of you might like to know.

[Amnesia]

I like where they're going. The original Centurians must have been sentient in order to rebel and go to war with the colonies. Apparently the skin-jobs have been repressing that sentience.So who developed/programmed the twelve humanoid models?

[Bierboy]

Were there a lot of audio glitches (brief partial second dropouts) in the broadcast?

There were in mine w/the 7 pm showing. I receive the east coast feed in the west coast via DirecTV.

This doesn't happen regularly w/anything I receive and I think has hardly ever (or never) happened w/BSG eps on Sci Fi channel.

yeah, I heard them too, but was figuring it was my S3...glad it apparently wasn't

[jimborst]

Were there a lot of audio glitches (brief partial second dropouts) in the broadcast?

There were in mine w/the 7 pm showing. I receive the east coast feed in the west coast via DirecTV.

This doesn't happen regularly w/anything I receive and I think has hardly ever (or never) happened w/BSG eps on Sci Fi channel.


Didn't notice any here (DishNetwork).

[Rob Helmerichs]

So who developed/programmed the twelve humanoid models?
Yeah, my assumption has been that the 12 (or their predecessors) were behind the war/rebellion, and that the Centurians have only evolved into sentient beings (as opposed to almost literal cannon fodder) since then. Number One seemed rather surprised and dismayed at their display of independent thought, so I would assume that it is a very recent development.

[MickeS]

Yeah, my assumption has been that the 12 (or their predecessors) were behind the war/rebellion, and that the Centurians have only evolved into sentient beings (as opposed to almost literal cannon fodder) since then. Number One seemed rather surprised and dismayed at their display of independent thought, so I would assume that it is a very recent development.

Probably sometime between the writer's strike and now.

[BeanMeScot]

Probably sometime between the writer's strike and now.

:cool: :D

[JoeyJoJo]

So who developed/programmed the twelve humanoid models?


"God"

[JETarpon]

The Apollo retirement makes absolutely no sense to me. When only 40,000 humans remain, and the military needs every skilled pilot they can find, why the frak would they let one of the most skilled pilots separate? For frak's sake, weren't they conscripting civilians not too long ago?

[Ian]

I had audio dropouts on both BSG and the Sarah Jane Adventures which followed. I'm on Time Warner Cable with an S2...

... therefore I'm guessing it was a problem on the Sci-Fi end itself?

And I laughed out loud at My Giddy-Od!

-Ian

[dswallow]

Why not just do a jump or two in the opposite direction without telling Starbuck and see if she reacts positively to it? Heck, why not at least discuss the idea of doing that, even if you decide if she were a cylon she'd know the direction you're going?

There's just no intelligent thought left on this show.

At least it's got real purty special effects in HD. Now we just need some naked-Jamie-Bamber scenes.

[MickeS]

Why not just do a jump or two in the opposite direction without telling Starbuck and see if she reacts positively to it? Heck, why not at least discuss the idea of doing that, even if you decide if she were a cylon she'd know the direction you're going?

What would that prove? It could be a positive reaction, but for something other than the "Earth compass". Seems unnecessary to waste time on that discussion.

[BeanMeScot]

I didn't get any audio drop outs on Comcast

[dswallow]

What would that prove? It could be a positive reaction, but for something other than the "Earth compass". Seems unnecessary to waste time on that discussion.

If she said nothing and didn't change her crying about getting further away, it could confirm a lie she's been giving. Perhaps it wouldn't be 100% proof of truthfulness if she noticed the "earth signal" suddenly getting stronger, but it might've been better motivation to put a ship together for her to take to explore, too.

[dswallow]

I didn't get any audio drop outs on Comcast

Ditto.

[MickeS]

If she said nothing and didn't change her crying about getting further away, it could confirm a lie she's been giving. Perhaps it wouldn't be 100% proof of truthfulness if she noticed the "earth signal" suddenly getting stronger, but it might've been better motivation to put a ship together for her to take to explore, too.

I just mean that she might be a Cylon plant and her "signal" is real (and she thinks it's leading to Earth), but it doesn't lead to Earth. It wouldn't help to do what you suggested in that case.

One thing though, I think Adama DID a check, sort of, of this kind. He ordered the jump, and then went over to her cell, and saw her pretty much knocked out. I think that's what finally convinced him to send her on the recon mission.

[Anubys]

I'm surprised most of you liked this ep...I thought it absolutely stank...the dialog was forced and third-rate...can't put my finger on it but it was like the writer was trying too hard to make a grand "opera" about every little point...

Kara's hysterics were too much...none of the characters spoke or acted like "real people" or even like they normally do...

the only saving grace was the cylon portion of the show (the 7, not the idiot 4)...

[Rob Helmerichs]

Why not just do a jump or two in the opposite direction without telling Starbuck and see if she reacts positively to it? Heck, why not at least discuss the idea of doing that, even if you decide if she were a cylon she'd know the direction you're going?
I guess (to go into apologist mode) you could say it would be too expensive--the entire fleet would have to jump (since she's on Galactica and they're not going to risk both leaving the fleet unprotected and possibly losing the fleet again), and they've had fuel limitations in the past...

On the list of dumb things they're doing, this barely ranks. My question is why didn't they just officially do what they're basically doing now...give her a guard and a Raptor and send her off in search of Earth? And why are they doing it on the sly...it would seem that releasing a possible Cylon spy and giving her an entire ship is the kind of move that could really blow up in their faces if it got out. I assume there's some story reason requiring her to have a full-blown spaceship next week that is so cool, it justifies (in their minds) doing weird senseless stuff to get there.

[super dave]

Were there a lot of audio glitches (brief partial second dropouts) in the broadcast?

There were in mine w/the 7 pm showing. I receive the east coast feed in the west coast via DirecTV.

This doesn't happen regularly w/anything I receive and I think has hardly ever (or never) happened w/BSG eps on Sci Fi channel.

Had some here too, with Dishnetwork.

[philw1776]

The Apollo retirement makes absolutely no sense to me. When only 40,000 humans remain, and the military needs every skilled pilot they can find, why the frak would they let one of the most skilled pilots separate? For frak's sake, weren't they conscripting civilians not too long ago?

It's all about the drama. Common sense and any congisance or respect for what was said and done in previous episodes is verboten.

Think of it this way, the last remnants of humanity locked in a series of vicious space battles with only the Viper pilots between them and slaughter. What's more important, a highly skilled pilot or a lawyer? :down:

[philw1776]

Why not just do a jump or two in the opposite direction without telling Starbuck and see if she reacts positively to it? Heck, why not at least discuss the idea of doing that, even if you decide if she were a cylon she'd know the direction you're going?

There's just no intelligent thought left on this show.

At least it's got real purty special effects in HD. Now we just need some naked-Jamie-Bamber scenes.

I was with you all the way, just right up to the final point! :D

[jones07]

The Apollo retirement makes absolutely no sense to me. When only 40,000 humans remain, and the military needs every skilled pilot they can find, why the frak would they let one of the most skilled pilots separate? For frak's sake, weren't they conscripting civilians not too long ago?


I was screaming "Stop-Loss" for active duty members during that whole scene. No way would Adama let a skilled fighter jock walk away for civilianhood when the human race was fighting for their very existence.

Still.......Love this show :)

[dcheesi]

Were there a lot of audio glitches (brief partial second dropouts) in the broadcast?

There were in mine w/the 7 pm showing. I receive the east coast feed in the west coast via DirecTV.

This doesn't happen regularly w/anything I receive and I think has hardly ever (or never) happened w/BSG eps on Sci Fi channel.Got them on Cox. At first I thought was their video server stuttering again; they've been having problems a lot lately. But this was just audio, so I'm guessing it's the same as what you were getting.

[Figaro]

I'm surprised most of you liked this ep...I thought it absolutely stank...the dialog was forced and third-rate...can't put my finger on it but it was like the writer was trying too hard to make a grand "opera" about every little point...

Kara's hysterics were too much...none of the characters spoke or acted like "real people" or even like they normally do...

the only saving grace was the cylon portion of the show (the 7, not the idiot 4)...


I am with you on this. I thought the director really dropped the ball. Starbuck's scenes were so over the top they were embarrassing. What did the director tell her? "You have two modes this episode, either quiet and weepy or blood curdling screams." It was so bad.

Where the hell do they get al the alcohol? Especially the anti freeze looking stuff? Wouldn't they be out by now? What about the real food? Aren't they supposed to be eating algae?

[dcheesi]

Yeah, my assumption has been that the 12 (or their predecessors) were behind the war/rebellion, and that the Centurians have only evolved into sentient beings (as opposed to almost literal cannon fodder) since then. Number One seemed rather surprised and dismayed at their display of independent thought, so I would assume that it is a very recent development.Remember that the first rebellion/war was lead by "toasters" --primitive, mechanical cylon models. So even those must have been capable of sentience.

What it sounded like was that the modern Centurions were capable of sentient thought by design, but also had an inhibitor installed to "dumb them down" --in a reversible way.

I think that's an important point; what was so unacceptable to Six was not temporarily taking control of the Raiders; they're quite used to ordering them around anyway (and dealing with inhibited Centurions). It was the permanence of the operation that was outrageous.

If you think about it, one of the major tenets of the original cylon rebellion must have been respect for machine sentience. Designing intelligent machines without the potential for sentience would make them no better than the humans. Yet they needed soldiers who wouldn't constantly question orders. So they compromised by building Centurions, etc., with the potential built-in, but "temporarily" inhibited for the good of the group. That way when the war was over, they could remove the limitation and welcome their Centurion brethren as fellow citizens of the cylon society.

[Barmat]

The whole idea of the final four(of five) and who they are makes it impossible for me to except anything else that is happening. Why weren't they recognized by the other cylons before. Tigh spent how long being interrogated by Chavil and he is still thought of as a Human by him. All those opportunity's to sabotage the humans and their programing hasn't kicked in?

This whole plot change has made it impossible for me to except anything else in this show.

[ThePennyDropped]

All those opportunity's to sabotage the humans and their programing hasn't kicked in?


Perhaps the final five Cylons' goal isn't the same as the other Cylons -- perhaps their goal is something other than the destruction of humanity.

Alternatively, if they do share the goal of destroying humanity, perhaps they haven't been activated yet in order to allow the Colonial fleet to find the way to Earth so the Cylons can follow them there and wipe out all humans, both Terran and Colonial.

--Debbie

[MickeS]

On the list of dumb things they're doing, this barely ranks. My question is why didn't they just officially do what they're basically doing now...give her a guard and a Raptor and send her off in search of Earth? And why are they doing it on the sly...it would seem that releasing a possible Cylon spy and giving her an entire ship is the kind of move that could really blow up in their faces if it got out. I assume there's some story reason requiring her to have a full-blown spaceship next week that is so cool, it justifies (in their minds) doing weird senseless stuff to get there.
I actually think the writers got this right. She was gone for 2 months, and while she thought it was only a few hours, Earth is probably a LONG distance away. So traveling in a Raptor for an unknown period of time seems unrealistic.

[hummingbird_206]

I'm surprised most of you liked this ep...I thought it absolutely stank...the dialog was forced and third-rate...can't put my finger on it but it was like the writer was trying too hard to make a grand "opera" about every little point...

Kara's hysterics were too much...none of the characters spoke or acted like "real people" or even like they normally do...

the only saving grace was the cylon portion of the show (the 7, not the idiot 4)...

Agree. I didn't really care for this ep, but the cylons did make it interesting. I'm glad they are sending Starbuck out to look for earth if for no other reason than I don't have to hear her screaming "We're going the wrong way", ugh.

[justen_m]

I'm surprised most of you liked this ep...I thought it absolutely stank...
+1 I didn't like this episode much, either. BORING. Glad I am not the only hater.

[Peter000]

I was screaming "Stop-Loss" for active duty members during that whole scene. No way would Adama let a skilled fighter jock walk away for civilianhood when the human race was fighting for their very existence.

Still.......Love this show :)

I think they have plenty of pilots (granted, none with the experience of Lee), but I think vehicles to put them in is another issue. I wonder how they're manufacturing those fighters, where they're getting their repair parts from, etc.

And I'm sure in desperate times, Lee would come back and fly. And the government needs good people too.

I got the feeling that they were saying "good-bye" to the actor as well as the character at the end. Is the actor going to recurring status or something?

[whitepelican]

Can someone refresh my memory on the Boomer/Athena situation? Is "Boomer" the one that was doing the chief, shot the Admiral, and is now with the cylons? And "Athena" was the one who was on Caprica with Helo, and is now a pilot on Galactica? And which one of them had the baby? They've got me completely bumfuzzled trying to remember this stuff.

[Peter000]

You are correct on all counts I believe. Athena is the one that had the baby, with Helo.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Remember that the first rebellion/war was lead by "toasters" --primitive, mechanical cylon models.
??? Sez who?

[philw1776]

I am with you on this. I thought the director really dropped the ball. Starbuck's scenes were so over the top they were embarrassing. What did the director tell her? "You have two modes this episode, either quiet and weepy or blood curdling screams." It was so bad.

I really liked this episode, mainly because of the cylon internal conflict and the Ros-Adama scenes but I must agree that Starb was a bit over the top there. Blame the director. :down:

Where the hell do they get al the alcohol? Especially the anti freeze looking stuff? Wouldn't they be out by now?

The population (Adama included) sure does seem to have a serious alcohol abuse problem. :eek:

What about the real food? Aren't they supposed to be eating algae?

Ah, the weak underbelly of the BSG slacker writing team is exposed again. They unlike their audience, 'forgot' that they wasted filler episodes on the food problems. Just like blithly having superstar pilot Apollo become a lawyer after they had episodes prominently featuring training ordinary civilians as Viper pilots because they were desperate. Hello! after each space battle they end up with LESS remaining live pilots, not a surplus. DUH!!!

[mrdbdigital]

I love the fact they are giving a "sewage" ship to Starbuck for her trip to Earth, "if she can stand the smell".

Nothing like sending a load of s**t to impress your lost 13th colony when you desperately need their help? :D

I would think that on ships as technologically advanced as are in the fleet, the ships would be recycling their own sewage to reuse again as other things. And, if they are giving the ship to Starbuck, they must have more than one?

[ThePennyDropped]

Was it just me, or was the official breakup of Apollo and Dee's marriage kind of out of the blue? I mean, we knew he was cheating on her with Starbuck for quite a while, but it almost seems like leaving the military had something to do with leaving the marriage. Very strange.

[MickeS]

Was it just me, or was the official breakup of Apollo and Dee's marriage kind of out of the blue? I mean, we knew he was cheating on her with Starbuck for quite a while, but it almost seems like leaving the military had something to do with leaving the marriage. Very strange.

I seem to remember they did an official break-up last season. Maybe I remember wrong.

[dtivouser]

How is starbuck going to make it back to the fleet? Won't they continue to jump? They wouldn't send her out with a list of future jump plans, would they?

[skeller]

Although I'll watch until the end, this show has really become a bit like fast food.

So appealing as you order, you eat it, and then ewwww - what have I done???

It isn't like the show is that bad, it is just that it has so much potential that is being totally wasted.

[classicX]

I am also one of the ones that didn't like the episode. Kara screaming at adama and doing that thing with her mouth was quite offputting.

It seemed like a wasted ep to me. The information we got could have been given in a lot less time, maybe as a backdrop to some other action.

[UnionBuster]

This was a setup episode for upcoming plots.

[Tangent]

??? Sez who?

Sez their surprise when they first found out about Cylons looking like them. I agree that it's not necessarily the old-school Centurions that started the rebellion, but it strongly doubt it was skin-jobs. I'm betting that there was more than one model Cylon before the revolt. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the colonies to have such advanced robotics available and not have models designed for more than just soldier duty. There were probably Cylon models to do everything from garbage collection to day-care. In any case, the models that they did have were almost certainly obviously robot-looking; ie, "toasters".

[Rob Helmerichs]

But just because they didn't know the Spylons existed doesn't mean the Spylons didn't exist! Either the Spylons were a well-kept secret, or their origin is outside human knowledge. Either way, there's absolutely no reason they couldn't have been behind the rebellion. And given everything we know about the Centurions, if the Spylons weren't behind the rebellion, then it must have been somebody we haven't met yet because the Centurions weren't up to the task.

[dcheesi]

But just because they didn't know the Spylons existed doesn't mean the Spylons didn't exist! Either the Spylons were a well-kept secret, or their origin is outside human knowledge. Either way, there's absolutely no reason they couldn't have been behind the rebellion. And given everything we know about the Centurions, if the Spylons weren't behind the rebellion, then it must have been somebody we haven't met yet because the Centurions weren't up to the task.Ok, I'm sure everyone's seen BSG: Razor, but I'll spoilerize just in case:

In Razor, Athena (and/or the captive Six?) was very clear in stating that the prototype hybrid that escaped at the end of the First Cylon War was the Cylons' first attempt at creating an organic model.

ETA: Unless you mean that the "final five" may have come from *elsewhere* and weren't created by the Cylons (or Colonials) at all... which is a very interesting idea... Then they specifically could have triggered the Cylon rebellion in some way.

[cwoody222]

Why do the characters on the show call them the FINAL Five? It's like they know they're the last to be revealed... to the viewer!

Sloppy.

[MickeS]

Why do the characters on the show call them the FINAL Five? It's like they know they're the last to be revealed... to the viewer!

Sloppy.

But they are the last to be revealed to these Cylons too, right?

[BeanMeScot]

But they are the last to be revealed to these Cylons too, right?

Yes, based on Andrea's reaction to seeing them and their having no idea they were in the Colonial ships.

[cl44]

I though it was a great episode, except for the cylon numbering. if there are only 12, 7 known and 5 unknown; why is boomer 8? I mean 1-6 and 8 what happend to model # 7? shouldn't they be 6-12 or 1-7. More unthoughtout write nonsense?

[classicX]

I though it was a great episode, except for the cylon numbering. if there are only 12, 7 known and 5 unknown; why is boomer 8? I mean 1-6 and 8 what happend to model # 7? shouldn't they be 6-12 or 1-7. More unthoughtout write nonsense?

You must first answer the question:

How do they know there are twelve models in the first place?

And therein will lie your answer.


I'm expecting a twist such as the final five were at peace with the 13th colony or something weird like that.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I though it was a great episode, except for the cylon numbering. if there are only 12, 7 known and 5 unknown; why is boomer 8? I mean 1-6 and 8 what happend to model # 7? shouldn't they be 6-12 or 1-7. More unthoughtout write nonsense?
They probably numbered Boomer before they decided the Final Five were going to be a secret...

[cheesesteak]

Another episode in which I hated every minute that Starbuck was on the screen. Other than her over-the-top nonsense, this was a pretty good episode.

[classicX]

They probably numbered Boomer before they decided the Final Five were going to be a secret...

Who made such a decision? Wouldn't they remember who the final five are, in that case?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Who made such a decision? Wouldn't they remember who the final five are, in that case?
The writers. Who wouldn't have had a clue yet.

[MasterCephus]

One thing that bothers me about this show is that they use characters in ways that are totally unlike their characters in an episode to drive the episode point home. Case in point, Roselin. In the beginning, she is a pacifist fighting back the military. Then she becomes this person (almost something like Starbuck is now)...now, all of a sudden she is a lady who is willing to kill SB point blank and doesn't wish to listen to SB at all??? come on. I am at least glad they pointed it out in the episode.

It's interesting that the cylons are somewhat facing what I bet Humans faced before the first cylon war took place...they (skin jobs) don't believe the "toasters" are equal with them...which when the original toasters became sentient, the humans undoubtedly felt the same thing.

[Anubys]

There was one more thing that bothered me: Six exclaiming how strange it was for a spylon to act as an individual and not vote with the "model number"...

but don't we already know of TWO such spylons? Athena and the Six that defected with her?

so not only did it happen before, it even happened to one of her own models...

[vman41]

How is starbuck going to make it back to the fleet? Won't they continue to jump? They wouldn't send her out with a list of future jump plans, would they?

I wondered that too. I suppose they cold park a raptor at a known spot that they keep updated with the location of the fleet.

[cheesesteak]

Starbuck can do everything and anything on this show. She'll find the fleet, no matter how impossible it may be.

[TAsunder]

Count me in the "didn't like it" camp. It tried to be meaty and interesting, but it fell flat. I'm going to go on record and say every episode of BSG that has or will have a crapload of people cheering for someone in the flight deck sucks.

[Jonathan_S]

I would think that on ships as technologically advanced as are in the fleet, the ships would be recycling their own sewage to reuse again as other things.Actually it makes sense to me that many of the ships don't have onboard waste recycling. The colonies don't appear to have been that far apart (relative to the FTL travel time).

If you're building a ship for passenger travel or freight transport between planets that are, at most, a few days apart then it makes more sense to have waste handling facilities at the port, rather than complicating the ships with it. (Think RVs or Airplanes, rather than Ocean Liners). Onboard a tank to hold the waste is much simpler and more compact than reprocessing machinery.


Obviously not all the ships are like that.
Military ships would have their own reprocessing facilities. And the agricultural ship probably does, as would the mobile ore refinery, because there's no point to having those ships stay near established planets, so logically they should be designed for long term self-sufficiency.

[5thcrewman]

How could the Raiders recognize one of the 'Final Five' and call off the attack, but all the skin job and Centurion models never realized, even being among them on New Caprica?


The glassware on the Base Ship when they were voting reminded me of Lucifer's head from TOS.

[mrdbdigital]

If you're building a ship for passenger travel or freight transport between planets that are, at most, a few days apart then it makes more sense to have waste handling facilities at the port, rather than complicating the ships with it. (Think RVs or Airplanes, rather than Ocean Liners). Onboard a tank to hold the waste is much simpler and more compact than reprocessing machinery.

OK, I can see your point, but that makes it even more important to not get rid of your sewage transport ship by giving it over for a search for Earth. Why not just send Starbuck in a Raptor?

[Anubys]

How could the Raiders recognize one of the 'Final Five' and call off the attack, but all the skin job and Centurion models never realized, even being among them on New Caprica?


The glassware on the Base Ship when they were voting reminded me of Lucifer's head from TOS.

I think Anders sent a specific coded message to that one raider, who then relayed the message to the rest of the Cylon fleet...

that would make sense...what does NOT make sense is the spylons saying that they "feel" the 5 are close...

[Anubys]

OK, I can see your point, but that makes it even more important to not get rid of your sewage transport ship by giving it over for a search for Earth. Why not just send Starbuck in a Raptor?

I think she needed a ship that can sustain her for longer than a raptor could (in terms of fuel, air, food...etc.)

[Tangent]

OK, I can see your point, but that makes it even more important to not get rid of your sewage transport ship by giving it over for a search for Earth. Why not just send Starbuck in a Raptor?

Maybe they have two sewage ships and one is plenty to handle the fleet's needs? Given their situation it could be that or they're not interested in transporting sewage anywhere anymore. They've either modified the ships to process/recycle their own waste the way the military ships do or they just dump it wherever they might be. When you're running a regular route between colonies they would as a matter of policy store the waste for proper processing planetside. When you're running for your life through open space you'll never see again you just vent it overboard.

[ThePennyDropped]

When you're running for your life through open space you'll never see again you just vent it overboard.
And you thought the suction on airplane toilets was strong... :eek:

[Jonathan_S]

Maybe they have two sewage ships and one is plenty to handle the fleet's needs? Given their situation it could be that or they're not interested in transporting sewage anywhere anymore. They've either modified the ships to process/recycle their own waste the way the military ships do or they just dump it wherever they might be. When you're running a regular route between colonies they would as a matter of policy store the waste for proper processing planetside. When you're running for your life through open space you'll never see again you just vent it overboard.As a long term plan that's still a really bad idea unless they've found a guaranteed source of fresh water and soil nutrients that the writers have neglected to remember yet. :)

Yeah, you won't see the waste again, but you won't be seeing its (recoverable) water and fertilizer components again either.

[danterner]

It's all about the drama. Common sense and any congisance or respect for what was said and done in previous episodes is verboten.

Think of it this way, the last remnants of humanity locked in a series of vicious space battles with only the Viper pilots between them and slaughter. What's more important, a highly skilled pilot or a lawyer? :down:

Lawyers. (They make excellent chaff).

[Shakhari]

I though it was a great episode, except for the cylon numbering. if there are only 12, 7 known and 5 unknown; why is boomer 8? I mean 1-6 and 8 what happend to model # 7? shouldn't they be 6-12 or 1-7. More unthoughtout write nonsense?

This bothers me too because it implies that the creators and writers didn't have a B5 plan from the start.

Am I the only one who fast forwards through all the Baltar scenes? He's always been an uniteresting character, but now I FF every time he's on screen.

[MickeS]

This bothers me too because it implies that the creators and writers didn't have a B5 plan from the start.

Implies? They have said so straight out.

[philw1776]

One thing that bothers me about this show is that they use characters in ways that are totally unlike their characters in an episode to drive the episode point home. Case in point, Roselin. In the beginning, she is a pacifist fighting back the military. Then she becomes this person (almost something like Starbuck is now)...now, all of a sudden she is a lady who is willing to kill SB point blank and doesn't wish to listen to SB at all??? come on. I am at least glad they pointed it out in the episode.

Your point is well taken. There are many other examples where characters behave 'out of character' just for the sake of a dramatic episode. However, in this case writers could rationalize just about anything by making the point that Ros is unstable because of the effect of her cancer.

It's interesting that the cylons are somewhat facing what I bet Humans faced before the first cylon war took place...they (skin jobs) don't believe the "toasters" are equal with them...which when the original toasters became sentient, the humans undoubtedly felt the same thing.

Yes, this idea is one of the intriguing points about this series. It would be interesting to see it explored in more detail.

[Figaro]

Am I the only one who fast forwards through all the Baltar scenes? He's always been an uniteresting character, but now I FF every time he's on screen.

I don't ff but I usually look away and listen. Baltar is just to dirty and homely to look at for any long period of time.

[Church AV Guy]

Not really on topic, BUT, I remember from school that a centurion was a commander with one hundred soldiers under him. How could every cylon soldier be a centurion if they are the "lowest" order, and they have no one below them? It makes no sense, of am I remembering wrong?

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'm pretty sure Galactica isn't set in ancient Rome... :D

[jwjody]

How could the Raiders recognize one of the 'Final Five' and call off the attack, but all the skin job and Centurion models never realized, even being among them on New Caprica?


The glassware on the Base Ship when they were voting reminded me of Lucifer's head from TOS.
I think it also had something to do with the 5 "activating".

J

[aintnosin]

I think it also had something to do with the 5 "activating".

J

I think perhaps that the Raiders had a "sleeper" program to protect the Final 5once they were "activated." I am wondering if the "First 7" are now self-destructing by design, rendered obsolete somehow by the Final 5.

[SacR32]

The whole idea of the final four(of five) and who they are makes it impossible for me to except anything else that is happening. Why weren't they recognized by the other cylons before. Tigh spent how long being interrogated by Chavil and he is still thought of as a Human by him. All those opportunity's to sabotage the humans and their programing hasn't kicked in?

This whole plot change has made it impossible for me to except anything else in this show.

Bingo. Since when do Cylons age? Adama has know Tigh since they were young. And now we have a 2nd hybrid baby or is the chief not the father of their baby?

[Sherminator]

I think it also had something to do with the 5 "activating".

JI think perhaps that the Raiders had a "sleeper" program to protect the Final 5once they were "activated." I am wondering if the "First 7" are now self-destructing by design, rendered obsolete somehow by the Final 5.Hi RDM here, thanks for giving me the back story with which I can tie up the mess that I made of the show so far. :D

[gchance]

Bingo. Since when do Cylons age? Adama has know Tigh since they were young. And now we have a 2nd hybrid baby or is the chief not the father of their baby?

They're part of the "final five". None of them have died yet. Perhaps that's part of why they're different.

Greg

[busyba]

What I don't get is why it seemed like it was supposed to be unusual that Tory said that crying during sex was something that she always did.

I mean, what's so unusual about that? The women I have sex with always cry during it.








:p

[gchance]

What I don't get is why it seemed like it was supposed to be unusual that Tory said that crying during sex was something that she always did.

I mean, what's so unusual about that? The women I have sex with always cry during it.








:p


Baltar? Is that you?

Greg

[Rob Helmerichs]

What I don't get is why it seemed like it was supposed to be unusual that Tory said that crying during sex was something that she always did.

I mean, what's so unusual about that? The women I have sex with always cry during it.
You'd certainly think Baltar would be used to it! :D

[ThePennyDropped]

Somewhat OT, but I haven't been able to find the usual Ron Moore podcast on iTunes. Has there not been a podcast for either of the two new episodes, or do I need to look somewhere other than iTunes to find it?

Thanks,
Debbie

[Anubys]

all jokes aside (but by all means, joke away!), a woman crying after an orgasm is not rare...

[classicX]

Whenever I see "RDM" I think of an old Quake3 buddy named "Rabid Death Moose."

[classicX]

all jokes aside (but by all means, joke away!), a woman crying after an orgasm is not rare...

I wouldn't characterize it as "crying" as more of an excess of eye moisture as a physical response to a stimulus [e.g. wind in your eyes causing them to water].

However, in this case, I think she was actually crying because she was conflicted internally about what she was doing - she didn't want to be there but on some other level she did.

[classicX]

Somewhat OT, but I haven't been able to find the usual Ron Moore podcast on iTunes. Has there not been a podcast for either of the two new episodes, or do I need to look somewhere other than iTunes to find it?

Thanks,
Debbie

Look under "George Lucas Protégé."

Although it seems (from lsat season) that the student has outdone the teacher.

[mulscully]

Bingo. Since when do Cylons age? Adama has know Tigh since they were young. And now we have a 2nd hybrid baby or is the chief not the father of their baby?


And didn't the Chief have a baby with his wife? or did I miss something and it's not his....

[PaulS]

Somewhat OT, but I haven't been able to find the usual Ron Moore podcast on iTunes. Has there not been a podcast for either of the two new episodes, or do I need to look somewhere other than iTunes to find it?

Thanks,
Debbie

I saw a note on his official blog that mentioned this, since I was also wondering about the lack of podcast updates. I believe the story is that he's in the middle of directing an episode, and simply does not have the time to record the podcast. He's aware (and embarrased) that he hasn't gotten the podcast out, and is going to get it done as soon as he can.

edit : I found the links describing the podcast situation.

LINK1 (http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/5_Yes%2C_we_have_no_Podcast.html) and LINK2 (http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/11_Podcast_still_no_go.html)

[ThePennyDropped]

edit : I found the links describing the podcast situation.

LINK1 (http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/5_Yes%2C_we_have_no_Podcast.html) and LINK2 (http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/11_Podcast_still_no_go.html)

Thanks, Paul!

--Debbie

[Sirius Black]

I always look forward to the audio podcast.

Does anyone else think it is relavent that head Balter's personality is not the same as any personality we've seen from him before. Does anyone think it really was Caprica Six in disguise?

[ronsch]

Or did the change have something to do with him being around Tory?

[PaulS]

I always look forward to the audio podcast.

Same here. It's always enlightening. It was especially handy during last season's...umm....weak episodes, when RDM outlined exactly why things didn't go as planned. As you recall, they dropped mid-stream what was to be a major storyline, since it just wasn't working. No, it's not an excuse for the weak episodes, but you can see the reasoning behind the decisions.

Does anyone else think it is relavent that head Balter's personality is not the same as any personality we've seen from him before. Does anyone think it really was Caprica Six in disguise?

I don't think so. I think it's a further indication that he's sinking even deeper into an unstable mental state. I wouldn't call it split personality disorder, just another sign that he's headed far off the reservation. Not only does he have the blood of billions of human deaths on his hands, he's now got to deal with the whole messianic complex the "cult" is imparting upon him.

[Figaro]

Same here. It's always enlightening. It was especially handy during last season's...umm....weak episodes, when RDM outlined exactly why things didn't go as planned. As you recall, they dropped mid-stream what was to be a major storyline, since it just wasn't working. No, it's not an excuse for the weak episodes, but you can see the reasoning behind the decisions.



I don't think so. I think it's a further indication that he's sinking even deeper into an unstable mental state. I wouldn't call it split personality disorder, just another sign that he's headed far off the reservation. Not only does he have the blood of billions of human deaths on his hands, he's now got to deal with the whole messianic complex the "cult" is imparting upon him.
What storyline did they just drop?

[PaulS]

What storyline did they just drop?

Not this season, last season. Had to do with that group of colonists, the Sagittarons, who were a focus of the story in "The Woman King". That group was supposed to play a large part in Baltar's trial, since they had some back story that related to his past crimes.

IIRC, during shooting, RDM decided that it just wasn't working and ditched the whole sub-plot. That's why there were more than a few episodes that season that felt "light" on plot. RDM and co were scrambling to fill time.

[Figaro]

Not this season, last season. Had to do with that group of colonists, the Sagittarons, who were a focus of the story in "The Woman King". That group was supposed to play a large part in Baltar's trial, since they had some back story that related to his past crimes.

IIRC, during shooting, RDM decided that it just wasn't working and ditched the whole sub-plot. That's why there were more than a few episodes that season that felt "light" on plot. RDM and co were scrambling to fill time.

Thanks.

[jwjody]

I always look forward to the audio podcast.

Does anyone else think it is relavent that head Balter's personality is not the same as any personality we've seen from him before. Does anyone think it really was Caprica Six in disguise?


I don't think so. I think it's a further indication that he's sinking even deeper into an unstable mental state. I wouldn't call it split personality disorder, just another sign that he's headed far off the reservation. Not only does he have the blood of billions of human deaths on his hands, he's now got to deal with the whole messianic complex the "cult" is imparting upon him.
Caprica 6 was seeing that version of Baltar at one time. I don't think what Baltar or 6 are seeing have to do with delusions or hallucinations, I think it's part of whatever plan that God, the Final Five, the programmers, or whoever have in mind.

I think Caprica 6 started seeing Baltar right when she came out of the goo after she died and was downloaded into the new body.

And Baltar started seeing 6 just before he got on the Raptor in the mini series.

But this is the first time that they've seen "themselves".

J

[IndyJones1023]

I loved that Adama is sending Starbuck out to find earth, it was the most logical decision and would have annoyed me to no end if he didn't.

But it makes no sense. Send her out to find Earth? That's what she's claimed she's already done. What they need to do is send 2 ships, one with Kara, and one with a witness to return to the fleet with the good news.

As it is, Kara will fly out, and come back saying she's found Earth. Isn't that where they are right now?

[Rob Helmerichs]

But it makes no sense. Send her out to find Earth? That's what she's claimed she's already done. What they need to do is send 2 ships, one with Kara, and one with a witness to return to the fleet with the good news.

As it is, Kara will fly out, and come back saying she's found Earth. Isn't that where they are right now?
Well, no...now they'll have a ship full of witnesses plus coordinates.