Lost : The Other Woman March 6th

[jeff125va]

Sorry if i'm smeeking... but I'm not at home to check the episodes, but we've seen Harold Perrineau in the credits all season. Have we seen Malcolm David Kelley (Waaaaallllt) in the opening credits?

Harold Perrineau is on imdb for this season but not Malcom David Kelley
not sure but I think imdb is a good indicator in this case. It says "credit only" for HP all this season, so I'm sure if MDK's name was in the opening credits it would say the same thing.

[betts4]

Is there any logic behind Michael being "the man" that Ben has on the boat? I am fighting this thought all the way and hope that he isn't. But my brain swivels back and forth. I mean, he went off on a boat with his son. They either made it thru the distortion field and are being quiet about who they are, or they didn't. Why would they have gotten home and not been telling everyone? oh, because Michael killed some people. But wait, why would Michael agree to be the guy on the boat - oh to get off the island. I mean Ben did let him sail away without too much grief. Unless he knew either they would never make it and be coming back to the island or that they boat would find them and take them on. In any case, what is Walt up to?

[getreal]

Not really. A lot of stuff would have still happened whether they'd opened the hatch or not. They still would have captured Walt. Ben pretending he was Henry Gale which led to Michael trading Jack et. al. for Walt didn't really hinge on the hatch. And the freighter people coming and Naomi parachuting onto the island certainly didn't depend on the hatch being opened.

Opening the hatch led to meeting Desmond and the computer. When Locke prevented the computer from being reset every 108 minutes, that led to Dez turning the failsafe key which caused the electromagnetic pulse, which caused the island to become visible for a brief moment in time, which led to Penny tracking the island, as well as the freighter.

So, yes, the hatch was a critical plotline.

[danterner]

Speaking of Charles, why would the writers create a character named "Charles" when there was already a character named "Charlie." The show isn't confusing enough?

Charlie, Charles, and now in recent episodes there's a Charlotte, too - my head is spinning!

For a reason why the writers might keep looking to this particular name, you might look to Stephen King and his "The Dark Tower" series.

The writers have acknowledged several of King's works as influences on Lost, and have mentioned The Dark Tower in particular. Link (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Stephen_King). King, in "The Dark Tower" series, uses the word "char" throughout as a reference to death, specifically including characters named "Charlie" Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Tower_glossary#Char_.28root_word.29
)

Personally, though, I think this is all a bit of a stretch. Just something I thought of when you mentioned the similar names, which hadn't struck me before.

[unicorngoddess]

Is there any logic behind Michael being "the man" that Ben has on the boat? I am fighting this thought all the way and hope that he isn't. But my brain swivels back and forth. I mean, he went off on a boat with his son. They either made it thru the distortion field and are being quiet about who they are, or they didn't. Why would they have gotten home and not been telling everyone? oh, because Michael killed some people. But wait, why would Michael agree to be the guy on the boat - oh to get off the island. I mean Ben did let him sail away without too much grief. Unless he knew either they would never make it and be coming back to the island or that they boat would find them and take them on. In any case, what is Walt up to?

Ben gave Michael the EXACT barings to follow to "find rescue" so those barings could have very easily been the exact coordinates for him to find that freighter.

Remember, Ben had ordered those two chicks in the looking glass station or whatever to jam all signals...probably because he knew that boat was there looking for the island. So it would seem as if Ben led Michael directly to that freighter.

[jking]

If it is Michael, and at this point I can't think of anyone else that we know (who would floor Locke when told) that would make more sense, I think we're in for a Michael flashback episode that will tell the story of how he became Ben's patsy. Even though Michael didn't spend any quality time in the others camp, Walt did, and maybe Ben managed to brainwash him, or perhaps Walt had a little talk with Jacob and that convinced him to be on Ben's side. Walt could have convinced Michael to change teams.

[aindik]

Charlie, Charles, and now in recent episodes there's a Charlotte, too - my head is spinning!

At least it's not "lonely tourist Charlotte Charles."

;)

[getreal]

Didn't Michael have lots of alone time with Ben and his people before he went back to camp to lure Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley to Ben?

It's possible, but I'm pretty sure we saw Michael alone with Mrs. Klugh when she was telling him whom he needed to bring back to trade for Walt. He may have been putting on an act with Ben on the dock at the Pala Ferry, but why wouldn't Mrs. Klugh have told him the whole plan at that point? The ONLY opportunity Ben would have had to tell him was right after Michael shot himself and let Ben go, and I'd be surprised if Ben wasn't in a huge hurry to get out of there or that Michael was in any condition to commit all of those instructions to memory.

If Ben talked to anyone, I think it was Walt, like unicorngoddess said.

You all need to check out the LOSTmobisodes (http://lostmobisodes.blogspot.com/). Particularly "Missing Piece #4: The Deal". It shows Michael talking with someone OTHER than Mrs. Klugh.

And "Missing Piece #6: Room 23" gives us some insight into Walt's special ability.

"Missing Piece #12: The Envelope" hints at what we've recently learned about Ben & Juliet's relationship.

And Vincent stars in his own mobisode in "Missing Piece #13: So It Begins".

Check 'em out, folks! :up: :)

[danterner]

At least it's not "lonely tourist Charlotte Charles."

;)

Whose name was very carefully selected by Bryan Fuller based upon her condition, I suspect.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Ben gave Michael the EXACT barings to follow to "find rescue" so those barings could have very easily been the exact coordinates for him to find that freighter.
All these barings on a family show! :D

[getreal]

All these barings on a family show! :D

Ahhh ... Season 1 ... :)

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[jeff125va]

Opening the hatch led to meeting Desmond and the computer. When Locke prevented the computer from being reset every 108 minutes, that led to Dez turning the failsafe key which caused the electromagnetic pulse, which caused the island to become visible for a brief moment in time, which led to Penny tracking the island, as well as the freighter.

So, yes, the hatch was a critical plotline.
I wasn't trying to argue that it wasn't critical, just that it wasn't critical in causing anything bad. Well, at least not worse than if they'd never opened it.

[getreal]

I wasn't trying to argue that it wasn't critical, just that it wasn't critical in causing anything bad. Well, at least not worse than if they'd never opened it.

Granted.

But I also think that because it led to the EMP when Dez turned the failsafe key, that it subsequently led directly to Naomi et. al. locating the island, and their current situation.

Can't wait for this week's episode ... :)

[MickeS]

Granted.

But I also think that because it led to the EMP when Dez turned the failsafe key, that it subsequently led directly to Naomi et. al. locating the island, and their current situation.

Yes, without opening the hatch none of what has happened this season would have been possible. Which is why I assume Walt warned against it.

[PKurmas]

Ben was locked up in the hatch. Michael was out searching for Walt. Michael came back and freed Ben after killing Ana-Lucia and Libby (who, by the way, are now dead as a result of being killed). Michael freed Ben, then Ben went back to The Others and Michael took Jack and crew back to The Others and Ben.

I now no longer care who Ben's man on the boat is. I'm going to be laughing until Thursday night about this! :D

[jeff125va]

Granted.

But I also think that because it led to the EMP when Dez turned the failsafe key, that it subsequently led directly to Naomi et. al. locating the island, and their current situation.

Can't wait for this week's episode ... :)
Certainly. No hatch, no Desmond. Well, he's still there, but isn't affecting the story line much pushing the button 24/7. My point that got lost in all that is simply that I don't put complete faith in Walt's premonitions.

[SoBelle0]

You all need to check out the LOSTmobisodes (http://lostmobisodes.blogspot.com/).
...

Check 'em out, folks! :up: :)
Sweet!! Thanks for the link.
I hadn't watched these yet - well, actually, I'd forgotten all about them.

[tewcewl]

I wouldn't doubt that if the man on the boat is Michael, we'll get an entire episode about him and what he's been up to, just like we did with "The Other 48 Days."

If anything Michael might be the man that's has the episode after this Thursday's named after him.

Meet Kevin Johnson

[Mike Farrington]

Going with the presumed theory that Michael is Ben's man on the boat...

Didn't Michael and Walt launch their boat just moments after the sky turned purple with the special electromagnetic energy that we now relate to time travel. Michael and Walt were freshly soaked in this energy when they reached the barrier and the barrier may also have been directly affected by this discharge.

Goning with that... What if Michael/Walt were physically thrown back in time together. And now, this older Michael (wiser?) Michael is now Ben's "Man on the Boat". That could also explain the title of the episodename spoilerized in the above post. That could be Michael's new assumed name.

It would also explain away giant Walt.

[jking]

Goning with that... What if Michael/Walt were physically thrown back in time together. And now, this older Michael (wiser?) Michael is now Ben's "Man on the Boat". That could also explain the title of the episodename spoilerized in the above post. That could be Michael's new assumed name.

It would also explain away giant Walt.

I know it's not safe to assume anything in the Lost world, but based on what was said in The Constant, I just don't think the writers are wanting to make anyone be able to physically time travel. I think they are going to stick with only the consciousness being able to move through time.

As for "Taller Walt", my current theory on that is that what we are seeing is a future Walt who is managing to project his image (and consciousness) back in time in an effort to guide the losties on the correct path.

[Mike Farrington]

I know it's not safe to assume anything in the Lost world, but based on what was said in The Constant, I just don't think the writers are wanting to make anyone be able to physically time travel. I think they are going to stick with only the consciousness being able to move through time.Have you seen the Orchid video?

[DevdogAZ]

I thought that they already had 8 episodes completed before the writer's strike.
Yes, they did. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Yup, I thought that too..
Seriously, who else would justify that preview line? Libby? Anna Lucia? The swimming girl that drowned in the ocean? Nikki? Nope, it's Naomi or Michael.. (or Walt).. and I think Michael or Walt are too predictable.

(Plus, the ship's been out at sea for two months just before finding the wreckage, so it wouldn't make sense that the captain would be either Michael or Walt.. they could be on board, but not captain.. (but again, the preview didn't say the "man on the boat"/friend was necessarily the captain)).
I think you're confused, Jeff. The freighter that Desmond and Sayid are on now is not the Christianne I, which found the wreckage of Flight 815 at the bottom of the ocean. Those two boats are completely unconnected, as far as we know.
Not really. A lot of stuff would have still happened whether they'd opened the hatch or not. They still would have captured Walt. Ben pretending he was Henry Gale which led to Michael trading Jack et. al. for Walt didn't really hinge on the hatch. And the freighter people coming and Naomi parachuting onto the island certainly didn't depend on the hatch being opened.
I don't remember the specifics of S2, but I seem to remember getting the impressing that Ben wanted to be captured by the Losties (and thus pretended to be Henry Gale) specifically because he wanted to know what they had found inside the hatch. I thought that was his whole purpose in getting involved with the Losties in the first place.

[latrobe7]

I thought that was his whole purpose in getting involved with the Losties in the first place.

I thought Ben's purpose was to get Jack to perform his needed spinal surgery...

But I also don't get how the Others are supposed to have not known much about the Swan; but they did know about the Pearl...

[Jericho Dog]

I know it's not safe to assume anything in the Lost world, but based on what was said in The Constant, I just don't think the writers are wanting to make anyone be able to physically time travel. I think they are going to stick with only the consciousness being able to move through time.

As for "Taller Walt", my current theory on that is that what we are seeing is a future Walt who is managing to project his image (and consciousness) back in time in an effort to guide the losties on the correct path.

Have you seen the Orchid video?+1

Hmmmm.........................

[stellie93]

There's a new audio podcast up. I guess it's early or something. Not a whole lot on it. They did mention missing pieces #13 with Jack's Dad. They said that it was Jack's Dad that Hurley saw in the cabin, and we will be seeing him again. The man Locke saw in that chair wasn't Christian was he? :confused:

[420s]

Another one of my few posts :) Though I've been reading this forum for years.

Ben is the man on the boat. (C'mon, it's LOST, it supposed to blow your mind) :P

Michael is on the boat, but it's not a good thing.

Sayid can't be the man on the boat, because someone opened the door for them when they were in the sick bay.

Jack should stay with Juliette. She smart. She definately wouldn't kneel down with her back to someone she didn't trust who had a gun. (Eventhough that was a nice pic of Kate earlier in the thread)

I still think the other woman was really there. Remember, the others are sneaky, don't leave footprints and can walk quietly.

Thanks for posting the mobisodes. This was my first time seeing them and it was really enjoyable. Especially when Jin lost his temper.

I think we will also see Naomi/Regina next episode. Which brings up a question. IIRC, I don't think anyone was suprised or even said anything on the freighter about Naomi being dead. Her code about her sister was just to let them know she was speaking under duress.

Just my two cents.

[jeff125va]

Another one of my few posts :) Though I've been reading this forum for years.

Ben is the man on the boat. (C'mon, it's LOST, it supposed to blow your mind) :P

Michael is on the boat, but it's not a good thing.

Sayid can't be the man on the boat, because someone opened the door for them when they were in the sick bay.

Jack should stay with Juliette. She smart. She definately wouldn't kneel down with her back to someone she didn't trust who had a gun. (Eventhough that was a nice pic of Kate earlier in the thread)

I still think the other woman was really there. Remember, the others are sneaky, don't leave footprints and can walk quietly.

Thanks for posting the mobisodes. This was my first time seeing them and it was really enjoyable. Especially when Jin lost his temper.

I think we will also see Naomi/Regina next episode. Which brings up a question. IIRC, I don't think anyone was suprised or even said anything on the freighter about Naomi being dead. Her code about her sister was just to let them know she was speaking under duress.

Just my two cents.

Not sure what you mean by "Naomi/Regina" but I do think we'll see Regina soon. Maybe they'll show Naomi's corpse, but I'm not sure why.

Good point about the others being sneaky, perhaps. But usually they had a team of rugged burly types for those missions. But that could still explain it. Juliet wasn't spooked at all and she hadn't been separated from the Others very long (i.e., she probably would have known if Harper were dead).

[gchance]

I think we will also see Naomi/Regina next episode. Which brings up a question. IIRC, I don't think anyone was suprised or even said anything on the freighter about Naomi being dead. Her code about her sister was just to let them know she was speaking under duress.

In the opening credits is a woman named Zoe Bell. Have you seen her in the show? You've definitely heard her. You know, on a radio. Sorta like how Fisher Stevens was in the credits but you didn't see him. You heard him on the radio.

Greg

[getreal]

... was it just me, or were there far more commercials than normal in this episode? Perhaps this was due to the writers strike? Maybe there was no b-camera beachfront dialog written, just the main storyline. I would imagine that the meat of the episodes are written first, then the inconsequential yet humorous Losties banter is written as needed?

I thought that they already had 8 episodes completed before the writer's strike.

Yes, they did. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Hopefully by including more of the post I was responding to, my comment will make more sense to you. :)

Basically, that the writer's strike couldn't have affected the writing and number of commercials during the airing of this episode, as the strike took place AFTER this episode had been written and filmed and completed.

[DevdogAZ]

Hopefully by including more of the post I was responding to, my comment will make more sense to you. :)

Basically, that the writer's strike couldn't have affected the writing and number of commercials during the airing of this episode, as the strike took place AFTER this episode had been written and filmed and completed.
Gotcha. I would bet that this episode is within a minute of being the same length as the others and Mike Farrington's concerns are unfounded.

[Mike Farrington]

Gotcha. I would bet that this episode is within a minute of being the same length as the others and Mike Farrington's concerns are unfounded.It was just something my wife and I noticed. It could quite possibly have been imagined. I didn't pull out a stopwatch or anything.

[aindik]

It was just something my wife and I noticed. It could quite possibly have been imagined. I didn't pull out a stopwatch or anything.

Don't know if this is a spoiler or not, but I'll spoilerize this comment from the producers that I think is from a recent podcast. It's a paraphrase from my memory.
We are done telling backstories that don't have anything to do with the main story on the Island.

That slight change in the format of the show might be what threw you or your wife to think something was off in this episode.

[getreal]

It was just something my wife and I noticed. It could quite possibly have been imagined. I didn't pull out a stopwatch or anything.

However, Mike, I think you and your wife were correct about there being more commercials. I taped the show without commercials (in Canada, we're just starting to get TiVO), and it came in at about 40 minutes, whereas other episodes had come in at about 42 minutes. So there WAS room for an extra commercial or two. So your spidey-senses were correct. It just didn't have anything to do with the writer's strike. :)

[jeff125va]

However, Mike, I think you and your wife were correct about there being more commercials. I taped the show without commercials (in Canada, we're just starting to get TiVO), and it came in at about 40 minutes, whereas other episodes had come in at about 42 minutes. So there WAS room for an extra commercial or two. So your spidey-senses were correct. It just didn't have anything to do with the writer's strike. :)
Well obviously time passes at a different speed in Canada. It's closer to the magnetic north pole, so it makes sense that it would.

[Ladd Morse]

At least it's not "lonely tourist Charlotte Charles."

;)Milk through nose! :)

[Church AV Guy]

I don't remember the specifics of S2, but I seem to remember getting the impressing that Ben wanted to be captured by the Losties (and thus pretended to be Henry Gale) specifically because he wanted to know what they had found inside the hatch. I thought that was his whole purpose in getting involved with the Losties in the first place.
I thought Ben's purpose was to get Jack to perform his needed spinal surgery...

But I also don't get how the Others are supposed to have not known much about the Swan; but they did know about the Pearl...

There was a scene where Ben and Juliette are in the Pearl and they are looking at video from the Swan. Jack appears on the monitor. Juliette asks if that's him and Ben says yes. If they have realtime video from the Swan, they certainly know what is going on down there. I think this was an episode where Nikki was watching them from the bathroom.

[latrobe7]

There was a scene where Ben and Juliette are in the Pearl and they are looking at video from the Swan. Jack appears on the monitor. Juliette asks if that's him and Ben says yes. If they have realtime video from the Swan, they certainly know what is going on down there. I think this was an episode where Nikki was watching them from the bathroom.

Right, so I guess my question is "When did the Others find out about the Swan & Pearl station?" Since they didn't include the Swan in the purge. Here's a nice summation from Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Swan#The_Others) (spoilerized for podcast content - even though it's old):
The Others seemed to have little awareness of the purpose or function of the Swan station. However, shortly after the castaways entered the Swan, the Others became aware of what they had done. On November 7, 2004 (three days after the castaways entered the Swan) Tom is known to have used the Pearl to observe the interior of the Swan. Two days later, Ben and Juliet visited the Pearl to briefly observe Jack. Ben at that time outlined a plan which suggests strongly that the Others were able to send messages to the Swan computer from an unknown location. The messages were directed at Michael.

In the March 20, 2007 Official Lost Podcast, Carlton Cuse confirmed that The Others had no knowledge of the Swan station. Hence, Radzinsky, Kelvin Joe Inman, and/or Desmond were not killed during the Purge in which the Others killed off all the DHARMA Initiative workers. During Ben's period of captivity at the Swan, there was a "lockdown" event in which the blast doors inside the swan lowered. Locke was pinned under the blast door and sent Ben through the vent system to push the button. At first, Ben claimed to have pushed the button. But later he told Locke that he had not pushed the button and nothing had happened. He said the station was a joke. What exactly Ben did or did not do during the lockdown has not been revealed.

[aindik]

Right, so I guess my question is "When did the Others find out about the Swan & Pearl station?" Since they didn't include the Swan in the purge. Here's a nice summation from Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Swan#The_Others) (spoilerized for podcast content - even though it's old):
The Others seemed to have little awareness of the purpose or function of the Swan station. However, shortly after the castaways entered the Swan, the Others became aware of what they had done. On November 7, 2004 (three days after the castaways entered the Swan) Tom is known to have used the Pearl to observe the interior of the Swan. Two days later, Ben and Juliet visited the Pearl to briefly observe Jack. Ben at that time outlined a plan which suggests strongly that the Others were able to send messages to the Swan computer from an unknown location. The messages were directed at Michael.

In the March 20, 2007 Official Lost Podcast, Carlton Cuse confirmed that The Others had no knowledge of the Swan station. Hence, Radzinsky, Kelvin Joe Inman, and/or Desmond were not killed during the Purge in which the Others killed off all the DHARMA Initiative workers. During Ben's period of captivity at the Swan, there was a "lockdown" event in which the blast doors inside the swan lowered. Locke was pinned under the blast door and sent Ben through the vent system to push the button. At first, Ben claimed to have pushed the button. But later he told Locke that he had not pushed the button and nothing had happened. He said the station was a joke. What exactly Ben did or did not do during the lockdown has not been revealed.

I think it's pretty obvious now that Ben actually did press the button. If he hadn't, wouldn't the sky have turned purple, or something crazy magnetic have happened (like another plane crash)?

Also, I bet the Tempest is where the Others sent messages to the Swan computer.

[unicorngoddess]

I think it's pretty obvious now that Ben actually did press the button. If he hadn't, wouldn't the sky have turned purple, or something crazy magnetic have happened (like another plane crash)?

Also, I bet the Tempest is where the Others sent messages to the Swan computer.

This is involving a past episode so I'm not going to spoilerize...but the sky turning purple didn't have to do with not pushing the button. That happened from the failsafe being activated. But if Ben DIDN'T push the button, we definately would have seen all the metal stuff being pulled towards the magnet. So, yeah...I'm pretty sure Ben pushed the button. And maybe the Others always knew the Swan hatch was there (obviously from the survalence) but maybe they couldn't tell WHERE it was. And if it was kept top secret by DAHRMA, maybe nobody knew what the purpose of it was. And maybe that's why Ben got himself captured...he needed to know what the purpose of that station was once he saw that the Losties had found a way in.

[latrobe7]

I think it's pretty obvious now that Ben actually did press the button. If he hadn't, wouldn't the sky have turned purple, or something crazy magnetic have happened (like another plane crash)?

Also, I bet the Tempest is where the Others sent messages to the Swan computer.
Yes, I think Ben pushed the button, too; but how did he know what to do? I mean, maybe he figured it out on-the-fly, but it seemed like he knew what was going on..

The problem with using the Tempest to send the messages to the Swan; is that they supposedly didn't know about the Swan until the Losties found it, but the Others knew about the Tempest since at least the Purge - that is if the assumption that the Tempest was used during the Purge is correct.

[aindik]

Yes, I think Ben pushed the button, too; but how did he know what to do? I mean, maybe he figured it out on-the-fly, but it seemed like he knew what was going on..

The same way you would know how to push the button if you were in there. He watched it on TV. :)

The problem with using the Tempest to send the messages to the Swan; is that they supposedly didn't know about the Swan until the Losties found it, but the Others knew about the Tempest since at least the Purge - that is if the assumption that the Tempest was used during the Purge is correct.

I like the theory that they knew the Swan existed but didn't know where it was. They knew there was a computer somewhere and this code was being entered into it every 108 minutes (perhaps these messages were sent to the computer in the Tempest and they had cameras that showed them the Swan). They could know, from inside the Tempest, that they were sending messages to the Swan without knowing where the Swan was until Locke unburied it.

[jeff125va]

Yes, I think Ben pushed the button, too; but how did he know what to do? I mean, maybe he figured it out on-the-fly, but it seemed like he knew what was going on..
I think Locke told him exactly what to do. I.e., entering the numbers, pressing execute.

[Mike Farrington]

Wasn't Ben and his father heading to The Swan in the DHARMA van when the purge took place? I think they just left the two suckers in the station to keep pressing the button. No need to kill them.

[Church AV Guy]

I think it's pretty obvious now that Ben actually did press the button. If he hadn't, wouldn't the sky have turned purple, or something crazy magnetic have happened (like another plane crash)?

Also, I bet the Tempest is where the Others sent messages to the Swan computer.
(Spoiler protection removed as it was unnecessary.) The computers in the Tempest site were vastly superior and more modern than the one in the Swan. I seriously doubt that it was the source for the interference messages to Michael.
Yes, I think Ben pushed the button, too; but how did he know what to do? I mean, maybe he figured it out on-the-fly, but it seemed like he knew what was going on..
Locke told him EXACTLY what to do. It was completely spelled out for him.
I think Locke told him exactly what to do. I.e., entering the numbers, pressing execute.
Correct.
Wasn't Ben and his father heading to The Swan in the DHARMA van when the purge took place? I think they just left the two suckers in the station to keep pressing the button. No need to kill them.
His dad said that they were heading for (restocking) the Pearl, not the Swan.

[420s]

Not sure what you mean by "Naomi/Regina" but I do think we'll see Regina soon. Maybe they'll show Naomi's corpse, but I'm not sure why.


I said that because I believe that Naomi and Regina are the same person. The voices were exactly alike , and when they were talking about putting her body on the chopper, someone (I think the pilot) said something along the lines of ,"Why should we bring her. It's just a piece of meat". Add that to the orchid video and you get the theory of Naomi and Regina being the same person.

[gchance]

I said that because I believe that Naomi and Regina are the same person. The voices were exactly alike , and when they were talking about putting her body on the chopper, someone (I think the pilot) said something along the lines of ,"Why should we bring her. It's just a piece of meat". Add that to the orchid video and you get the theory of Naomi and Regina being the same person.

Except they're not the same person. Regina is played by Zoe Bell, credited at the beginning of the episodes in which you hear her on the radio. Sorry I didn't spell it out more clearly in my previous post.

[latrobe7]

I think Locke told him exactly what to do. I.e., entering the numbers, pressing execute.

Locke told him EXACTLY what to do. It was completely spelled out for him.

Yes, I had forgotten that; I guess what sticks in my mind is that Ben seemed unfazed by the whole lockdown experience.

[rjom]

Originally Posted by philw1776
Me, I'd take that murderess Kate if forced to choose.

[QUOTE=JYoung;6055589]Let's see if you feel the same way after she gets you worked up and then goes and jumps in the sack with someone else.



Yep, I would feel the same way.

[jeff125va]

I said that because I believe that Naomi and Regina are the same person. The voices were exactly alike , and when they were talking about putting her body on the chopper, someone (I think the pilot) said something along the lines of ,"Why should we bring her. It's just a piece of meat". Add that to the orchid video and you get the theory of Naomi and Regina being the same person.
Naomi was dead when they talked to Regina on the phone. She died as a result of the knife Locke threw in her back. Add that to Regina being alive (as evidenced by her talking on the phone) and you realize that they are not the same person.

The pilot simply meant that with a limited amount of weight the helicopter could carry, the cold reality was that Naomi's body was just a corpse, not a living person and it made more sense to bring the living than the dead. They ended up taking her body anyway because Miles was with Locke and Dan and Charlotte decided to stay, so there was room after all.

[jpwoof]

this is just my speculation, but I think Ben's spy is Sayid.

[jkeegan]

I think you're confused, Jeff. The freighter that Desmond and Sayid are on now is not the Christianne I, which found the wreckage of Flight 815 at the bottom of the ocean. Those two boats are completely unconnected, as far as we know.you're right, i'm not sure I remember what I was thinking..
I still think the other woman was really there. Remember, the others are sneaky, don't leave footprints and can walk quietly.Everyone keeps referring to the therapist (Goodwin's wife) as "the other woman".. Nah, I thought the title was about Juliette being the other woman - Goodwin was married. Jack loves Kate. She's an "other". :) (mainly the first two)

[bruinfan]

you're right, i'm not sure I remember what I was thinking..
well, this show is so simple, I don't know how you can't get everything straight on this show...:cool:

[danterner]

you're right, i'm not sure I remember what I was thinking..

You are (still) thinking of the number 2. :)

Everyone keeps referring to the therapist (Goodwin's wife) as "the other woman".. Nah, I thought the title was about Juliette being the other woman - Goodwin was married. Jack loves Kate. She's an "other". :) (mainly the first two)

I'm totally with you on this one - in my mind the title definitely referred to Juliette.

[jeff125va]

this is just my speculation, but I think Ben's spy is Sayid.
Saying (as some have speculated) that Ben's "man on the boat" may have actually been a woman is one thing. But I can't imagine that he didn't mean the "on the boat" part literally.

[jeff125va]

Everyone keeps referring to the therapist (Goodwin's wife) as "the other woman".. Nah, I thought the title was about Juliette being the other woman - Goodwin was married. Jack loves Kate. She's an "other". :) (mainly the first two)
Definitely, but I knew whom the poster whom you quoted was referring to from previous context.

And yes, mainly the first two, since Harper is also an "Other." It normally wouldn't make much sense to refer to the wife as "the other woman." And Jack and Kate aren't married, of course, but Kate was "there" first.

[Church AV Guy]

this is just my speculation, but I think Ben's spy is Sayid.
How could that be possible since Sayid was still on the island when Ben told Locke the names of everyone on the landing party, and that they had come for him. There was a lot of very specific information that Ben had, that Sayid had no access to. Sayid and Ben didn't even have any contact. I just don't see how it's possible outside of multiple instances of Sayid being in existence simultaneously. I THINK that would bend the rules past the breaking point, even for Lost.

[Hunter Green]

Yes, I had forgotten that; I guess what sticks in my mind is that Ben seemed unfazed by the whole lockdown experience.
Ben is unfazed by nearly everything.

[DUDE_NJX]

Anything other than p***y.

[latrobe7]

Anything other than p***y.

He got pretty pissy when Locke heard Jacob, too.

[jeff125va]

How could that be possible since Sayid was still on the island when Ben told Locke the names of everyone on the landing party, and that they had come for him. There was a lot of very specific information that Ben had, that Sayid had no access to. Sayid and Ben didn't even have any contact. I just don't see how it's possible outside of multiple instances of Sayid being in existence simultaneously. I THINK that would bend the rules past the breaking point, even for Lost.
People have theorized that it's Naomi (dead), Ana-Lucia (dead), Libby (dead), Sayid (all the reasons in your post), Locke (maybe that was satirical of the other theories?) and probably some other similar ones I'm forgetting. There may be a lot of unexplained things in this show, but most things turn out to make sense eventually. I don't understand how Naomi, A-L, Libby, Sayid, or Locke could possibly make sense ever.

[aindik]

People have theorized that it's Naomi (dead), Ana-Lucia (dead), Libby (dead), Sayid (all the reasons in your post), Locke (maybe that was satirical of the other theories?) and probably some other similar ones I'm forgetting. There may be a lot of unexplained things in this show, but most things turn out to make sense eventually. I don't understand how Naomi, A-L, Libby, Sayid, or Locke could possibly make sense ever.

Don't forget the "Ben's man on the boat is Ben" theory.

[Mike Farrington]

Don't forget the "Ben's man on the boat is Ben" theory.Though, since they had a picture of who they were after, one would think they would keep a close eye on such a doppleganger on the boat (thus not allowing him to spy and send reports).

[MickeS]

The man on the boat is Vincent.

[danterner]

The man on the boat is Vincent.

Now you're really barking up the wrong tree. :)

How about it being Randy? Randy was Locke's boss (and Hurley's). He's been interwoven through multiple episodes and it would certainly make for a Lostian twist for him to be the man on the boat.

[latrobe7]

Aaron is the man on the boat; back from the future to prevent his mothers death.

[aindik]

Aaron is the man on the boat; back from the future to prevent his mothers death.

Come with me if you want to live.

[latrobe7]

No, wait! The man on the boat is Kate's dad, not the one she killed, but the Army dad; he's been part of the same conspiracy Kelvin was, but turned on them and started working for Ben when Kate ended up on the island.

[unicorngoddess]

Come with me if you want to live.

Great Scott!

[jeff125va]

Now you're really barking up the wrong tree. :)

How about it being Randy? Randy was Locke's boss (and Hurley's). He's been interwoven through multiple episodes and it would certainly make for a Lostian twist for him to be the man on the boat.

That would be a little too out of left field, even for Lost. But, I can't really think of any reason that it couldn't be Randy. At least he's alive. :)

We did see Randy in "The Beginning of the End" if you recall. He was filming/taping Hurley's high-speed car chase. Not that that disqualifies him, and I think it's so unlikely anyway that it really doesn't make it any less so. But that would CERTAINLY be "sit down" shocking for Locke!

[getreal]

You all must've heard Ben incorrectly.

He said "I have Iman on the boat". David Bowie's wife, supermodel Iman. Period. End of speculation.

And the part of Iman will be played by ... Harold Perrineau. :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

You all must've heard Ben incorrectly.

He said "I have Iman on the boat". David Bowie's wife, supermodel Iman. Period. End of speculation.
No, he said he had an imam on the boat. A gaunt imam.

[CarynFromHermosa]

I think that it is important that both Ben and Miles said *exactly* the same thing...well, if we presume that Harper was telling the truth -- that they are "exactly where they want to be" -- even though they are both being held against their will. This would suggest, as someone mentioned earlier, that maybe they were talking in code when Miles was asking for the $3.2M.

[latrobe7]

"I'm exactly where I want to be" is a code phrase just like "Tell my sister I love her"; after Miles gave Ben the password, Ben passed it on to Harper who passed it to Juliet.

And Ben didn't say 'Iman' or 'imam'; he said 'Inman', as in Kelvin Inman, the dude in the Hatch with Desmond. Obviously, he's the man on the boat!

[Rob Helmerichs]

And Ben didn't say 'Iman' or 'imam'; he said 'Inman', as in Kelvin Inman, the dude in the Hatch with Desmond. Obviously, he's the man on the boat!
So you're saying Inman is a Goth?!?

[latrobe7]

So you're saying Inman is a Goth?!?
I'm saying he exists in a goth/gaunt quantum time-space loop where he is BOTH!

[JYoung]

You're all wrong
Sun is the man on the boat and she did not have sex with Ben.

[latrobe7]

Leonard Simms is the man on the boat; he is the one that wrecked the radio room after the numbers broadcast was interupted; in his future he will tell Hurley about the numbers while at the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute. Everybody on the boat has an alias; Regina is Rousseau and is pregnant with Alex; the freighter is the ship that shipwrecks on the island and Minkowski is the first victim of the sickness.

[Roadblock]

Now you're really barking up the wrong tree. :)

That was so bad it made me laugh. :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

You're all wrong
Sun is the man on the boat and she did not have sex with Ben.
Well obviously, because Ben's not gay.

But he did have sex with his man on the boat's lover.

[Rosincrans]

I am the man on the boat. That is all.

[Mike Farrington]

Did anybody notice that during Harpers appears to Juliet in the jungle, Harper's hair kept flicking around super-fast? I took that as another indication that her appearance was supernatural. It's like they shot her talking in slow-motion, then ramped it up to look like she was talking normally.