Survivor 3/6

[MegaHertz67]

Wow! Karma is certainly a bitch. Joel got what he deserved...but what was Ozzy thinking? That wasn't a smart move.

[Sadara]

Joel did get what he deserved. But, honestly Chet should have gone. He's such a limp noodle. Cerie has had a huge impact on two votes now. Really this wasn't a smart vote. They are playing like the tribes have merged and they haven't yet.

I loved the challenge were Jonathan was griping and Jeff told him to stop his bitching. We had to rewind and watch that part again, too funny!!

[Sadara]

In the previews for next week:

I have a feeling Jonathan is going home early, looks like he's got an infection in that wound he got in his leg.

[Unseen Llama]

I'm sorry, but that reward challenge was horrible to watch. Someone could have seriously gotten hurt. Chet was being dragged around like a doll. The producers should be taken out back and beaten with one of those poles.

[Unseen Llama]

Nevermind, someone did seriously get hurt. Jonathan got punctured in his knee by a big arshe stick and had to have it sewn up.

[MitchO]

OH MY SWEET LORD. This may (already) be my least favorite season ever, even if Chet goes next. Seriously, I can't enjoy a season where someone THAT bad keeps getting saved.

What's even worse is I have a standing argument with a friend of mine about how good Cerie is at this game, and this will only serve as fodder for him for weeks. :(

[Sadara]

Cerie may not be good at playing the game, but she IS playing the game. Which is more than can be said for a few others in the game.

[MegaHertz67]

I've been sitting here trying to figure out why the Alpha men on these tribes let the weaker players talk them into voting out a strong member of the tribe when we are sooooooo far from the merge and individual play.

Yes, Joel let Tracie talk him into voting out Mary to weaken Mike B and keep Chet. Hey, we can vote him out next time. Fine.

The Joel somehow lets Tracie convince him to keep Chet...AGAIN...in order to vote out Mike B by insinuating that Joel is being led around like a cow by Mike B. So he lets Tracie lead him around by the nose instead. Whatever.

AND THEN...Tracie and Cirie conspire to save Chet...AGAIN...because they realize they would be next. Cirie convinces Ozzy to vote out Joel and hey, we can vote out Chet next time. Stupid.

Now I do realize that the Favs are 4-3 in that tribe and can pick off the rest of the fans WHEN, not if, the go to tribal council each of the next 3 weeks. But Tracie has shown she can be convincing in her logic. Cirie can be convincing in her game play. Those two plus Chet only need one more vote to oust Ozzy.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[scottykempf]

When they switched up tribes, I bet Ozzie was thinking "Uh oh, what if I have to go to the other tribe's beach?" because he hid his II back in the cave at the favorites beach. That would have sucked for him.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Chet may only weigh 72 pounds, but when 72 pounds is tied around your neck it's more than enough to choke you to death.

I really can't imagine what they were thinking...

[Philosofy]

I was laughing my ass off at Joel dragging Chet. Someone should have told Chet he was supposed to be running, not skipping. :) And then at council, they were trying to blame Joel! Chet is the biggest waste in Survivor history, and the only reason he's around is because of the people in line behind him to go. Cerie is playing a brilliant game right now. I'm not sure she can keep it up, but its working for her so far.

[MitchO]

When they switched up tribes, I bet Ozzie was thinking "Uh oh, what if I have to go to the other tribe's beach?" because he hid his II back in the cave at the favorites beach. That would have sucked for him.

Ozzie was damn lucky. I actually stopped halfway through the voting and had to figure out whether he was going back to the right beach.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Ozzie was damn lucky. I actually stopped halfway through the voting and had to figure out whether he was going back to the right beach.
I had this mental image of Ozzy making an epic journey through sea and jungle to the other camp to recover the idol, and still making it back before anybody noticed he was gone. :D

[MasterOfPuppets]

Go Chet go!
I hope that he wins the whole thing, since these people are too stupid to vote him out.

What sort of logic is it, exactly, that Cerie can just say hey, Joel didn't lead us to victory today.
Maybe not, but Chet will drag the team down each and every time.

Therefore...go Chet go!

Show still needs more Amanda as well.
No shark wrestling footage at all? C'mon.

[betts4]

I really am not liking this season, mainly because I don't like Cerie but the flip side is I have to admit that she is playing the game just right.

Ozzie is just adorable!

[DevdogAZ]

Yet another blindside at TC. If nothing else, it's making this season interesting. I think Chet has to go soon, but that was pretty brilliant of Cerie (can't stand her) to engineer the ouster of Joel.

[Roadblock]

Wow! Karma is certainly a bitch. Joel got what he deserved...but what was Ozzy thinking? That wasn't a smart move.

Yep, big mistake. I thought for sure they were just trying to sound agreeable to Cirie, but when they actually voted out Joel, that was disappointing. Ozzie and Amanda do not have Chet in their corner, and while Joel was certainly not reliable, he was actually less of a threat than this growing weakling alliance. Terrible choice.

Cerie may not be good at playing the game, but she IS playing the game. Which is more than can be said for a few others in the game.

I don't like Cirie's self-righteous attitude. She's a bigger liar and manipulator than anyone else out there, including Jonathan, yet she criticizes him for it mercilessly. But I don't think you can say she's not good at playing the game. She just made an excellent strategic move. I prefer people who can get ahead in the game without stooping to Cirie's level.

Now I do realize that the Favs are 4-3 in that tribe and can pick off the rest of the fans WHEN, not if, the go to tribal council each of the next 3 weeks. But Tracie has shown she can be convincing in her logic. Cirie can be convincing in her game play. Those two plus Chet only need one more vote to oust Ozzy.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Preview:
And it looks like Aimee might be the one to flip. I hope not, but it was just not a good plan for Ozzy and Amanda.

[The Flush]

Does anyone else think it is dumb to kill the chickens instead of just eating the eggs? These chicken have actually been laying eggs, unlike in past seasons when they were given chickens.

[heySkippy]

I'm disappointed they shuffled the tribes so soon. It really dilutes the Fans v Favs concept.

Getting rid of Joel was beyond dumb, but I gotta hand it to Cirie for playing the game with what she's got.

[appleye1]

Does anyone else think it is dumb to kill the chickens instead of just eating the eggs? These chicken have actually been laying eggs, unlike in past seasons when they were given chickens.I agree. Eat the eggs until like day 33 then have a big chicken feast. It's stupid to waste the protein.

[newsposter]

I'm sorry, but that reward challenge was horrible to watch. Someone could have seriously gotten hurt. Chet was being dragged around like a doll. The producers should be taken out back and beaten with one of those poles.

i dont like any of the physical challenges where they 'fight' each other too. On the railings pushing or that one where they dragged a pillow the other year .

[montag]

Did you see James having a temper tantrum when they split up tribes. This guy really has an ego. I don't think there's another Survivor I've like less.

[jradosh]

Did you see James having a temper tantrum when they split up tribes. This guy really has an ego. I don't think there's another Survivor I've like less.

Even Osten? :)

How lame was it to build a fire right in front of the rising tide? I seriously LOL'd when the wave put it out. :p

[janry]

Chet is a Survivor god!

[TiVo Bum]

I'm hoping that when they ultimately vote off Ozzy that he just runs off into the jungle and goes Col. Kurtz on us. Then they'd have to send Probst up the river to deal with him. Now that's a show I would watch. :)

[stark]

The reason Ozzy voted for Joel was because Joel convinced Ozzy that he was the leader of the fans group. Ozzy saw it as a way to break the fans up.

Joel did it to himself because he had too much of an ego about being the leader. He voted off Mary and Joey B., not because it was the smart move for the tribe, but to prove that Joey wasn't the leader.

[TriBruin]

Did you see James having a temper tantrum when they split up tribes. This guy really has an ego. I don't think there's another Survivor I've like less.

:up::up::up:

I said the same thing to my wife last night. James is extremely judgemental.

[heySkippy]

I feel sorry for James. He's a great guy and in his own world he's strong and things are predictable and generally make sense, but Survivor just isn't orderly enough for him to survive. He looked completely miserable at the shuffle.

[Sadara]

The couple weren't broken up!! I just thought I would add that. Though they haven't focused on the couples much. I cracked up when Ozzie said something about Amanda wrestling that shark was extremely attractive to him.

[MitchO]

No shark wrestling footage at all? C'mon.

Probably because there was no real wrestling to speak of. She said she walked up to the net and it was there. Probably just a matter of dragging it out and staying away.

[Jebberwocky!]

Great show - best part was when Joel got his third vote and his right eyebrow shot up - you could tell he was thinking WTF!

Penny also mentioned Ozzie getting screwed if they went back to the wrong beach - like an earlier poster said, I told her would just head over and retrieve it.

Good move?, probably not but the blindside votes are the reason I enjoy this show so much.

[mitchb2]

I had this mental image of Ozzy making an epic journey through sea and jungle to the other camp to recover the idol, and still making it back before anybody noticed he was gone. :D

A good Mountain Dew commercial!

[pmyers]

I actually think it was smart of Cirie and the Favorites to vote out Joel. They were going to have the numbes anyways and this got rid of a major threat to the Favorites. You know that Favorites bond is tight and this helps all of them in the long run.

I can't imagine what I'd being yelling at Chet if I was Joel.

[mitchb2]

What's with building a fire right next to the rising tide?!?!?
I can understand one person being stupid, but for a whole group of adults to say "Yeah, this looks like a good spot." Sheesh.

They deserved to have a rogue wave take away all their reward food.

[mitchb2]

I can't imagine what I'd being yelling at Chet if I was Joel.

"Close your eyes and think about Christmas!!!"

[pmyers]

I think Joel would have been better off just carrying Chet in his arms or thrown him over his shoulder.....I'm totally serious.

[lalouque]

Does anyone else think it is dumb to kill the chickens instead of just eating the eggs? These chicken have actually been laying eggs, unlike in past seasons when they were given chickens.

I thought they killed the rooster, not the lovely egg laying hens.

lal

[Jebberwocky!]

I thought they killed the rooster, not the lovely egg laying hens.

lal

typical, always picking on the guy :D

[pmyers]

What's with building a fire right next to the rising tide?!?!?
I can understand one person being stupid, but for a whole group of adults to say "Yeah, this looks like a good spot." Sheesh.

They deserved to have a rogue wave take away all their reward food.

I'm really becoming more and more conviced that these "fans" are total hogwash put on by the producers. The way they are playing the game: both physically and mentally would lead one to believe they've never watched the show before.

To me: a real fan would know all of the history of the show/players PLUS have some decent survival/camping skills.

[Sadara]

I have thought a couple of times now that I would have enjoyed this season more if it had just been a full on all-stars show. The more I think about the Fans, the more I think they are pitifully boring. More all-stars would have been more entertaining.

[pmyers]

And I do agree with the poster that said that having them shuffle so early totally discounts the whole Fans vs Favorites concept.

[JLucPicard]

I actually think it was smart of Cirie and the Favorites to vote out Joel. They were going to have the numbes anyways and this got rid of a major threat to the Favorites. You know that Favorites bond is tight and this helps all of them in the long run.

I can't imagine what I'd being yelling at Chet if I was Joel.
Ya, and by voting out Joel instead of Chet (and they would have STILL had the numbers), they have the opportunity to vote the fans off even quicker with Chet still around. Though, if they were smart, they would have Chet compete in the reward challenges and sit his sorry arse out of the Immunity Challenges.

Chet: I smacked my head back there.
Joel: I don't care.
Chet: I know.

I slow-mo'd Ami going over that rail and twisting up her leg - ouch. Nothing makes better TV than a needle in an open wound and close ups of the stitching being done! :)

I would have loved to have seen the conversation where it was decided that Joel would be dragging Goo-Boy around when they were pairing up for the challenge.

[MegaHertz67]

I'm hoping that when they ultimately vote off Ozzy that he just runs off into the jungle and goes Col. Kurtz on us. Then they'd have to send Probst up the river to deal with him. Now that's a show I would watch. :)The horror...the horror...

[newsposter]

way to win new friends but not calling them by their correct name.. i'm talking about Pov r ti of course

[MegaHertz67]

And I do agree with the poster that said that having them shuffle so early totally discounts the whole Fans vs Favorites concept.But they have been together as separate tribe enough to establish relationships. The fact that each new tribe is split evenly with fans and favs adds a dynamic that the first tribal you go to will swing the power one way or the other.

If Ozzy's tribe keeps losing, and picking off fans, the favs will be in the majority at the merge and we should see scrambling for defectors and swing votes. That is assuming the merge still comes at 10 remaining.

So the original tribal lines will still be valid and valuable as the game progresses.

[David Platt]

Yay! No more Unfrozen Caveman Firefighter!

[scsiguy72]

I don't think I ever laughed as hard as I did watching Chet get dragged around the dirt course by Joel.

I had to rewind it 3 or 4 times and freeze frame it when Chet hit his head. Joel kept going and Chet was clothes lined by one of the poles. I really am surprised no one was more seriously hurt.

James had me cracking up when he went off about the Fans camp and how they should all be dead from just being so stupid. I think he is also the one that said, something about "in the caveman days we would have killed them ourselves"

Many funny moments this time around. My side still hurts from laughing.
:D:D:p

[Jebberwocky!]

I don't think I ever laughed as hard as I did watching Chet get dragged around the dirt course by Joel.

I had to rewind it 3 or 4 times and freeze frame it when Chet hit his head. Joel kept going and Chet was clothes lined by one of the poles. I really am surprised no one was more seriously hurt.

I didn't find that funny at all - dragging him is one thing but Joel was over the line. I'm glad that tool is gone.

[InterMurph]

I was laughing my ass off at Joel dragging Chet. Someone should have told Chet he was supposed to be running, not skipping. :) And then at council, they were trying to blame Joel!
It was definitely Joel's fault. He knew exactly what he had strapped to him, and instead of communicating and working with Chet, he just gave up, got pissed off, and dragged him around without any concern for his well-being. Joel's hissy fit caused them to lose the challenge. I'm glad he's gone; he was an ******* with no ability to understand or get along with anybody different. I hate people like that.

[InterMurph]

No shark wrestling footage at all? C'mon.
I don't think any shark wrestling occurred. The shark was caught in the net, and was clearly dead when Amanda brought it to camp.

[InterMurph]

Does anyone else think it is dumb to kill the chickens instead of just eating the eggs? These chicken have actually been laying eggs, unlike in past seasons when they were given chickens.
If you don't kill the male, then he will fertilize the eggs, and instead of eggs, you'll be eating balut.

[InterMurph]

One more thing. This episode shows that while Ozzy is the Single Greatest Survivor Of All Time (SGSOAT), he has no chance of winning. He doesn't have the political or strategic skills necessary to win.

On the other hand, watching him swim and fish caused me to say to my wife, "they should have a show of just Ozzie swimming, fishing, climbing up stuff, camping, etc. I would watch that!"

As nauseated as some people are by Boston Rob and his constant appearances on TV, I think most people would be that excited about an Ozzy channel. All Ozzy, all day!

[DevdogAZ]

And I do agree with the poster that said that having them shuffle so early totally discounts the whole Fans vs Favorites concept.
Not to mention that now it will be impossible for us to keep straight which team is which and who is on it. Before it was easy since we knew all the members of the Favs tribe, so those people we didn't know were Fans by default.
Ya, and by voting out Joel instead of Chet (and they would have STILL had the numbers), they have the opportunity to vote the fans off even quicker with Chet still around. Though, if they were smart, they would have Chet compete in the reward challenges and sit his sorry arse out of the Immunity Challenges.
Except that they're now down a tribe member so they won't be sitting anyone out anytime soon.
way to win new friends but not calling them by their correct name.. i'm talking about Pov r ti of course
How about Ozzy calling Joel "Troy" when he picked him? Maybe Joel should have seen it coming at that point.
I don't think I ever laughed as hard as I did watching Chet get dragged around the dirt course by Joel.

I had to rewind it 3 or 4 times and freeze frame it when Chet hit his head. Joel kept going and Chet was clothes lined by one of the poles. I really am surprised no one was more seriously hurt.
I thought it was awesome as well. And what about the part where the two long-haired Fans went on opposite sides of the pole and that pulled one right into the pole face first. We watched that a few times as well.

[DevdogAZ]

One more thing. This episode shows that while Ozzy is the Single Greatest Survivor Of All Time (SGSOAT), he has no chance of winning. He doesn't have the political or strategic skills necessary to win.

On the other hand, watching him swim and fish caused me to say to my wife, "they should have a show of just Ozzie swimming, fishing, climbing up stuff, camping, etc. I would watch that!"

As nauseated as some people are by Boston Rob and his constant appearances on TV, I think most people would be that excited about an Ozzy channel. All Ozzy, all day!
I agree that Ozzy is likely to get himself a show on Discovery or Animal Planet pretty soon. Seems like a no-brainer.

[Jebberwocky!]

I agree that Ozzy is likely to get himself a show on Discovery or Animal Planet pretty soon. Seems like a no-brainer.

I think he'll go back on the Playboy channel

;)

[AJRitz]

I don't really blame James for being frustrated by the shuffle. Remember that almost the exact same thing happened to him in China. He had built a solid alliance, buttressed with immunity idols, and immediately got shuffled apart from his allies.

He just needs to do what he ultimately did - whip that camp into shape quickly and keep himself and Pavarti around until the merge, so that they can re-unite with their alliance partners.

[Rob Helmerichs]

...Pavarti ...
Heh. Poor Parvati. I wonder if she hates her parents for naming her that? :D

[pmyers]

C'mon now.....Joel was not the reason they lost the reward challange (or the immunity challange for that matter). Chet did the same thing my wife does when we go snowboarding.....she falls and sits there forever and takes her sweet time getting up before continuing on. (Wifey, please don't read this ;) )

[pmyers]

One more thing. This episode shows that while Ozzy is the Single Greatest Survivor Of All Time (SGSOAT), he has no chance of winning. He doesn't have the political or strategic skills necessary to win...

Why do you think it was a bad move for Ozzy? I think he knew that Joel was the leader/power player of the Fans and cut the head of the snake off. How would voting Chet off and having Joel around of helped him? Remember....he has an alliance with James and chances are James will be the first one voted off the other tribe when/if they lose. If Ozzy can keep his team losing he can keep picking off the Fans while saving his alliance.

Of course I could be giving him way too much credit ;)

[InterMurph]

C'mon now.....Joel was not the reason they lost the reward challange (or the immunity challange for that matter). Chet did the same thing my wife does when we go snowboarding.....she falls and sits there forever and takes her sweet time getting up before continuing on. (Wifey, please don't read this ;) )
So if you and your wife were tethered together, and in a snowboarding race, and she fell, would you curse, stomp your feet, then start dragging her down the hill as fast as you could go?

Or would you help her get up, then proceed at a pace that would prevent the next fall?

Which strategy has a better chance of succeeding?

And even if you pick the wrong answer here, Joel is still an ass, and you are not.

[pmyers]

I'd either cut the rope or hang myself with it....LOL

I think the bigger mistake was tethering Joel and Chet together.....let alone deciding on sending them out AGAIN for the final round. Why not pick one of the other couples? I don't think there was much Joel could do except for put Chet on his back like a sack of taters.

[Penny Lane]

I still can't understand why Joel would want to be paired with Chet to begin with.

[Einselen]

I'd either cut the rope or hang myself with it....LOL

I think the bigger mistake was tethering Joel and Chet together.....let alone deciding on sending them out AGAIN for the final round. Why not pick one of the other couples? I don't think there was much Joel could do except for put Chet on his back like a sack of taters.

When I saw them together that is what I thought might happen. It may be that they did try to do that but the producers stepped in and was like sorry we can not allow that.

[MitchO]

The snowboarding allegory is flawed because you don't have one minute to accomplish your goal. It was fall, wait, run, fall, wait, run, fall, don't wait anymore, drag drag drag drag.

[JLucPicard]

Except that they're now down a tribe member so they won't be sitting anyone out anytime soon.
DOH! What a moron! :) In my head was the idea of the unbalanced numbers - what was missing was the fact that the other team would have to be sitting someone out! Thanks for shaking me back to reality! Massive brain cramp there!

Why do you think it was a bad move for Ozzy? I think he knew that Joel was the leader/power player of the Fans and cut the head of the snake off. How would voting Chet off and having Joel around of helped him? Remember....he has an alliance with James and chances are James will be the first one voted off the other tribe when/if they lose. If Ozzy can keep his team losing he can keep picking off the Fans while saving his alliance.

Of course I could be giving him way too much credit ;)
I would suspect that Ozzie pretty much knew from the challenges what a nimrod Chet was. Took him a very short time once he was actually in camp with Chet to know that Chet is a useless bag of poo.

If I counted my fingers and toes right, there were still 16 people at that point? Aside from some really wild Survivor twist (that you really can't anticipate), the Fans should know that the merge happens around 10 people. The Favorites should very well know that. 4 Fans, 4 Favs on a tribe. Get rid of one Fan, you have the numbers. You've got better than a half-dozen challenges before a merge. Why keep Chet around when Joel will at least be a help in challenges? Also, it seemed pretty obvious from Cirie being approached by some Fans (and the rest of the Favs being made aware of that in the scheming sessions) that Joel wasn't necessarily the leader/power player that Joel thought he was.

I just can't see any scenario where it's better for Ozzie and some of the others that Joel is gone at this point and Chet is still around - the only people that benefit are those people (Cirie, Tracy) that are next in line behind Chet for elimination.

[Jebberwocky!]

that craziness is what makes it so interesting!

[pmyers]

The snowboarding allegory is flawed because you don't have one minute to accomplish your goal. It was fall, wait, run, fall, wait, run, fall, don't wait anymore, drag drag drag drag.

You know what...after rewatching that challange I'm surprised that Chet lived after it was done. Check out at 15:00 into the show: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor16/video/video.php?cid=626672385&play=true&cc=2

I'm surprised that the first first "hit" didn't kill him. No wonder he couldn't get up quicikly.... ;)

[Zephyr]

This is survival of the weakest! I'm thinking target Ozzy when he doesn't have a clue! Like James before, he will only gather strength with time if he isn't sent packing. Another
blindside!

[MasterOfPuppets]

I probably would have dragged Chet around as well. Just due to the frustration of him being the single most useless person ever.
Hey, perhaps he get a concussion and you get rid of him. :p

Still rooting for him, though...sine everyone is too stupid to vote him off.

I also think that everyone should refer to Parvati as "Poverty"

[TBDigital]

Why did they send Chet and Joel out the second time? There didn't appear to be a set rotation, and since Ozzie and Ice Cream Boy had gone out the first time, I was surprised to see someone other than that team heading out. I guess maybe it had to do with the fact that Ozzie's tribe would be chasing that round, and since he had already chased, he wasn't eligible? Not sure. They never explain all of the challenge rules to my satisfaction...

The problem with voting Joel out instead of Chet (or Cirie) is that Joel, no matter what he may think, wasn't the one running the votes. He was led into voting Mary and Mikey out, all the while thinking he was in charge. Cirie is the real danger here, and she's playing pretty well. I still can't believe that Ozzie fell for the 'Get rid of this big strong guy now so we don't have to deal with him in individual immunities' ploy. Uh, hello, you've got to make it to merge to be able to compete in individual immunities, and that means winning team challenges. And now Ice Cream Boy is going to think they backstabbed him, when he was the ideal fan to flip over to the fav's alliance when the merge came...

[pmyers]

Why did they send Chet and Joel out the second time?...

Exactly!

[DancnDude]

I loved the exchange:

Chet: I hit my head and couldn't see
Joel: I don't care
Chet: I know

LOL

[Sadara]

I replayed the reward challenge and I cannot tell where Parvati managed to get a fat lip. Ami's twisted knee looked awfully painful. James pulled Jason right in to that tree, looked like he hit his face, but on slowmo, he was maybe a centimeter from smacking it. He took most of that tree smack in the chest. Looks like Jonathan stabbed his knee right at the end when he was rolling around on the ground and they got the flag.

OH man, Joel clothes line Chet right in the gut. Chet tried to hurdle that one area and keep up, but he just couldn't make it. He gets dragged a little. Then he gets his head cracked and he's obviously seeing stars. Then the series dragging begins, he even at one points tugs the rope so hard it pulls Chet down. Chet is a waste of space on survivor, but that doesn't excuse Joel's actions at the reward challenge. Rewatching that was just shocking.

[janry]

Why did they send Chet and Joel out the second time?

I thought they did fairly well their first time. Maybe they thought they'd found Chet's calling.

Also, a lot of teams were beat up so maybe they were the healthiest team going in (but certainly not afterwards).

[Johnny Dancing]

I'm sorry, but that reward challenge was horrible to watch. Someone could have seriously gotten hurt. Chet was being dragged around like a doll. The producers should be taken out back and beaten with one of those poles.

Best TV ever watch Chet getting dragged around. Poor Chet though.

[justen_m]

Probably because there was no real wrestling to speak of. She said she walked up to the net and it was there. Probably just a matter of dragging it out and staying away.
The shark was probably already dead. Some species of sharks need moving water over their gills and are unable to pump the water over their gills when stationary. If immobilized by a net it probably may not have survived long. I don't think Amanda ever said she saw it thrashing around or anything -- she just saw a big white shape. Admittedly, even dealing with a dead 40lb shark in the water takes some strength. I agree with Ozzie's evaluation. ;-)
Here's the wiki link on shark respiration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark#Respiration

[heySkippy]

Heh, I don't think there's any way that was 40 pounds of shark. I've caught sharks that size on rod/reel and would guess more like 15 pounds.

And lots of fish die when they get caught in nets, even ones that don't have to keep moving. The net gets in their gills, the fish panic and get stressed, shallow water is too warm for some fish to stay in for long, etc. Still, I'll bet that was some good eatin'!

[justen_m]

Having two people tethered together like, running through an obstacle course, was just stupid. People were bound to get injured. It would have been much safer to make it 1-on-1 instead of 2-on-2.

Did anybody notice if the doctors put Jonathon on a course of oral antibiotics after stitching him up? That was a deep puncture wound. In tropical environments infections get ugly fast.

[InterMurph]

Heh, I don't think there's any way that was 40 pounds of shark. I've caught sharks that size on rod/reel and would guess more like 15 pounds.
Further evidence that it was 15 pounds, and not 40 pounds: Joel, the Unfrozen Caveman Survivor, is the one who weighed it thoughtfully, then declared it to be about 40 pounds.

My son weighs 39.5 pounds, and I sincerely doubt that even a steroid-pumped dude like Joel could lift him as easily as he did the shark.

[justen_m]

Further evidence that it was 15 pounds, and not 40 pounds: Joel, the Unfrozen Caveman Survivor, is the one who weighed it thoughtfully, then declared it to be about 40 pounds.

My son weighs 39.5 pounds, and I sincerely doubt that even a steroid-pumped dude like Joel could lift him as easily as he did the shark.
This is why I thought 35-40lbs was a reasonable estimate. Joel probably lifts weights. He does curls. He knows how much he can curl. I'm only 170 and I can easily curl 45 pounds with 1 arm. After 10 reps it starts to get very difficult, but not after just once to estimate its weight. I think you might be underestimating how much a person who lifts weights can curl with one arm. I am much smaller than Joel and yes, I could easily lift your son with one arm just like Joel lifted the shark. Joel's estimate could have still been way off, being weakened by caloric deficit, the general tendency to overestimate the size of a fish, etc.

[TriBruin]

Having two people tethered together like, running through an obstacle course, was just stupid. People were bound to get injured. It would have been much safer to make it 1-on-1 instead of 2-on-2.

Did anybody notice if the doctors put Jonathon on a course of oral antibiotics after stitching him up? That was a deep puncture wound. In tropical environments infections get ugly fast.


According to the previews for next week, this will be an issue.

[JLucPicard]

This is why I thought 35-40lbs was a reasonable estimate. Joel probably lifts weights. He does curls. He knows how much he can curl. I'm only 170 and I can easily curl 45 pounds with 1 arm. After 10 reps it starts to get very difficult, but not after just once to estimate its weight. I think you might be underestimating how much a person who lifts weights can curl with one arm. I am much smaller than Joel and yes, I could easily lift your son with one arm just like Joel lifted the shark. Joel's estimate could have still been way off, being weakened by caloric deficit, the general tendency to overestimate the size of a fish, etc.
I judge by the fact that after holding it up and judging it's weight, Joel handed it back to Amanda who took it from him, holding it just as he did, and held it pretty much at the same level, showing no signs of any exertion at all (as if someone just handed you a shovel). I wonder how much weight Amanda curls? No way that thing weighed 40 pounds.

It's like the gag where the strong man lifts the barbells, with great exertion and "strength", then the little kid runs out, picks up the weight, and runs off with it.

[Roadblock]

I actually think it was smart of Cirie and the Favorites to vote out Joel. They were going to have the numbes anyways and this got rid of a major threat to the Favorites. You know that Favorites bond is tight and this helps all of them in the long run.

Yes, it was smart of Cirie, but not for Ozzy and Amanda. You assume the Favorites bond is tight but I assure you it is not. Cirie is not tight with anyone and I would not trust her for a second. She heard Ozzy talking about getting rid of the weak, and she knows how pathetic she is herself. I guess we'll see if Chet goes home after he blows next week's challenge, but I think Cirie will work to get Ozzy out right away.

Not to mention that now it will be impossible for us to keep straight which team is which and who is on it. Before it was easy since we knew all the members of the Favs tribe, so those people we didn't know were Fans by default.

I didn't mind the mixup, but I was looking forward to the Fans being punished in future challenges for keeping the weak. Now instead, those early backstabs don't look as bad.

Why do you think it was a bad move for Ozzy? I think he knew that Joel was the leader/power player of the Fans and cut the head of the snake off. How would voting Chet off and having Joel around of helped him? Remember....he has an alliance with James and chances are James will be the first one voted off the other tribe when/if they lose. If Ozzy can keep his team losing he can keep picking off the Fans while saving his alliance.

Of course I could be giving him way too much credit ;)

Ozzy is one person. He has Amanda on his side, that's it. Right now, Aimee and Cirie are with him, but really, neither of them has a reason to stay with Ozzy for long. Cirie is fat and lazy, and Aimee is injured. They know Ozzy will be taking them out soon enough. The only person Joel had on his side is Erik, and they were voting with Ozzy and Amanda. Chet and Tracy are directly opposed to Ozzy. There is no reason to keep other one of them, because they will never side with him. It's a bad move because Ozzy lost an ally, however temporary that arrangement might have been, to keep an enemy, and because he trusted Cirie, who will now work to get rid of him immediately.

Having two people tethered together like, running through an obstacle course, was just stupid. People were bound to get injured. It would have been much safer to make it 1-on-1 instead of 2-on-2.

Did anybody notice if the doctors put Jonathon on a course of oral antibiotics after stitching him up? That was a deep puncture wound. In tropical environments infections get ugly fast.

But injuries make for compelling TV! It did look like it was designed to get people hurt.

They didn't mention anything about antibiotics.

According to the previews for next week, this will be an issue.

Preview:
Yes, that puncture wound looks like it got ugly fast.

[stellie93]

How long do you think it'll take Parvati to spill the beans about Ozzie's idol? I could see him telling Amanda--she's smart and quiet. But James says stuff without thinking and Parvati will sell both of them down the river if she has to. Now he has to really keep his ear to the ground to know when he needs to play it. Cirie will be after him. He should have avoided the "get rid of the strong one" strategy like Cirie was afraid of the "get rid of the weak links" strategy.

[heySkippy]

Yes, my wife and I agreed when he did it that telling *anyone* he had the idol was a terrible idea. There's just nothing to be gained by telling so soon. Knowledge is power and he's giving it away for free.

[MegaHertz67]

Yes, my wife and I agreed when he did it that telling *anyone* he had the idol was a terrible idea. There's just nothing to be gained by telling so soon. Knowledge is power and he's giving it away for free.It was ego pure and simple. He wanted to be fawned over for being clever enough to find the idol. He especially wanted Amanda to know how smart he was, and that he trusted her enough to tell her.

He told Amanda about the idol, she brought a shark back for dinner. In this game that is like foreplay.

[Roadblock]

Yes, my wife and I agreed when he did it that telling *anyone* he had the idol was a terrible idea. There's just nothing to be gained by telling so soon. Knowledge is power and he's giving it away for free.

Well, he needs more allies than just Amanda, and by telling James and Parvati he hopes to make a 4-way alliance to the end. Unfortunately for him, the tribes get mixed up later.

Preview:

Also, what about Bon Jovi finding the fake idol? Those fans are on a roll.

[Roadblock]

Also, Joel's exit comments were hilarious. He didn't quite seem to see how this was exactly the same as his treatment of Mike.

[DevdogAZ]

If I counted my fingers and toes right, there were still 16 people at that point? Aside from some really wild Survivor twist (that you really can't anticipate), the Fans should know that the merge happens around 10 people. The Favorites should very well know that. 4 Fans, 4 Favs on a tribe. Get rid of one Fan, you have the numbers. You've got better than a half-dozen challenges before a merge. Why keep Chet around when Joel will at least be a help in challenges? Also, it seemed pretty obvious from Cirie being approached by some Fans (and the rest of the Favs being made aware of that in the scheming sessions) that Joel wasn't necessarily the leader/power player that Joel thought he was.

I just can't see any scenario where it's better for Ozzie and some of the others that Joel is gone at this point and Chet is still around - the only people that benefit are those people (Cirie, Tracy) that are next in line behind Chet for elimination.
This got me thinking about what a bad move it was on Ozzie's part. He basically allowed Cirie to make a plan, recruit people from the Fans to help implement it, and then went along with it. If he had thought that through to its ultimate end, he would see that it basically puts Cirie, Ami, Tracy and Chet in a nice little bond of weaklings. By siding with them to vote off Joel, he essentially ensured that they now have numbers if it ends up breaking along those lines. Don't be surprised if Ozzy or Amanda are the next to go from that tribe.

[Anubys]

While I think Cerie did great (and I like her), I still think Tracy is the mastermind...Ozzy was stupid...he just gave control of the tribe to Cerie and Tracy...you can bet they don't have him and Amanda in their long term plans...

this was a huge mistake by Ozzy...unless there's a shuffle again soon, he will never win the game now...

[appleye1]

I thought they killed the rooster, not the lovely egg laying hens.

lalAhh, that's better then. Now that I think about it that chicken did have a guy's name didn't it?

So I take it back, maybe they're not as stupid as I thought. If they chop up one more chicken before day 33 though, then they're idiots!

[palm_beach]

This is my first post, about Survivor...

They Killed the rooster not a hen. I noticed it right away. Now they can't get tons of eggs, What were they thinking? Three of them are Brown and one is White with a massive red crest on top of the rooster's head and is called a cockscomb or ****'s comb. I can't believe no one thought about the reason there was one Rooster and three hens? They even called him Charlie, they must have had some clue...
The Rooster has to the bang the chickens to make the eggs. No Rooster, no eggs.

Did anyone remember someone saying at the end o the last show, "There are not that many eggs"?.

They are so stupid, after moving the Chickens to a new area, and feeding them good, and they settle down, they would have started laying so many eggs!

Even one boiled egg each per day would give them so much protein.

They are so lucky to have Ozzie getting the fish. And Ozzie's squeeze Amanda got the 25lb Shark, that was cool. I would rather eat Shark Steaks over Meat any day.


And poor Chet, she has been The Belle of the Ball one too many times. Always being on bottom has made her very weak. If she was alone on Exile Island for one Night she would cry and quit. It's gross watching her.

John Henner is a complete loser. He looks like the guy who cuts my lawn with that stupid hat he wears. And he has nerve to say that Eliza was on "The Outside, trying to get in". One word, "Mutiny".
He really believes people like him. His leg injury will take him out the game. A dirty stick poking puncture that deep will infect him for sure. He will soon need antibiotics fluids via IV Bag. I'M sure there is still a piece of wood deep in his leg. I'M surprised the Medics did not tell him to go to a Hospital.

Cerie is one smart sister. She has street smarts, knows how to manipulate people.
Back in the Hood she is a Queen, running the Block. You Go Girl! "Gimmie a Quarter"!

Looks like Ozzie & James are Waxing that Axe. They are both doing well. Cerie is so upset at Poverty for jumping on her man. Did you see Cerie after that l;ast episode when they won the puzzle? Cerie jumped on James so high & hard, Poverty was in shock. Id Cerie jumped on Chet that way it would have knocked him down for good.

Cerie wants some of James, fer sure.

[Knives of Ice]

chet is a pageant coach? i seriously LOL'd when i saw that...

[appleye1]

This is my first post, about Survivor...

They Killed the rooster not a hen. I noticed it right away. Now they can't get tons of eggs, What were they thinking? Three of them are Brown and one is White with a massive red crest on top of the rooster's head and is called a cockscomb or ****'s comb. I can't believe no one thought about the reason there was one Rooster and three hens? They even called him Charlie, they must have had some clue...
The Rooster has to the bang the chickens to make the eggs. No Rooster, no eggs.

Did anyone remember someone saying at the end o the last show, "There are not that many eggs"?.

They are so stupid, after moving the Chickens to a new area, and feeding them good, and they settle down, they would have started laying so many eggs!

Even one boiled egg each per day would give them so much protein.
Woah! Get out to a farm dude. The rooster has to bang the chickens (hens actually) to make more chickens, not to make eggs. Hens can make eggs without a rooster. :)

[heySkippy]

A healthy non-stressed laying hen will usually produce 1 egg a day, right? How many hens do they have? I don't think the number of eggs they'll get will be significant to the tribe's diet.

[steve614]

I had heard that hens won't lay eggs unless a rooster is present.
That somehow, seeing a rooster is what prompts egg laying.

Why would a hen bother making eggs if there is no rooster around to fertilize them?

Maybe, a hen will lay eggs without a rooster around, but having a rooster encourages egg production.

[Einselen]

I had heard that hens won't lay eggs unless a rooster is present.
That somehow, seeing a rooster is what prompts egg laying.

Why would a hen bother making eggs if there is no rooster around to fertilize them?

Maybe, a hen will lay eggs without a rooster around, but having a rooster encourages egg production.

More info on hens laying eggs without the rooster present:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=467055

[brianric]

Don't be surprised if ... Amanda are the next to go from that tribe.
http://www.brianric.com/2001pix/bill.jpg

[marksman]

I'm really becoming more and more conviced that these "fans" are total hogwash put on by the producers. The way they are playing the game: both physically and mentally would lead one to believe they've never watched the show before.

To me: a real fan would know all of the history of the show/players PLUS have some decent survival/camping skills.

Why would watching the show necessitate any sort of survival/camping skill. They don't teach much of anything on there, and you would learn very little useful or practical information from the small edited glimpses you see on the show.

[marksman]

Heh, I don't think there's any way that was 40 pounds of shark. I've caught sharks that size on rod/reel and would guess more like 15 pounds.

I can't imagine a 3.5 foot shark weighing only 15 lbs. And they claimed it was 4 feet long.

I have a 6 foot shark on my wall that weighs 120 lbs.

Just a quick search of mako shark weights :

http://www.themarlinclub.com/2001/MakoChart.htm

Which this is not a mako, but still the weight is more inline with what they were saying 30-40 lbs... which I think was reasonable.

[tgewin]

I can't imagine a 3.5 foot shark weighing only 15 lbs. And they claimed it was 4 feet long.

I have a 6 foot shark on my wall that weighs 120 lbs.

Just a quick search of mako shark weights :

http://www.themarlinclub.com/2001/MakoChart.htm

Which this is not a mako, but still the weight is more inline with what they were saying 30-40 lbs... which I think was reasonable.

They had a Pacific Blacktip Reef Shark. One of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacktip_reef_shark). Or here's seaworld's page (http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/animal-bytes/animalia/eumetazoa/coelomates/deuterostomes/chordata/craniata/chondrichthyes/selachii/carcharhiniformes/pacific-blacktip-reef-shark.htm).

It's an incredibly big difference. Makos are stockier sharks with much more mass for the same length.

A few things to note: There's no way it was 4 ft. long. It was most likely closer to 3ft. From my memory, Amanda was holding its tail barely above her waist and it wasn't touching the ground. She's not a giant, so . . . .

Also, a full-grown, biggest of the species Blacktip is barely >6 ft and no more than 30 lbs. Do the math on what a 3-4 ft. one would weigh, and you'll understand how they were slinging it around so effortlessly. My guess: 3'3", 18 lbs. :P

But what's really important is that I hate Ozzie even more now. Amanda is even hotter now than before--and that's saying something! :)

[pmyers]

Why would watching the show necessitate any sort of survival/camping skill. They don't teach much of anything on there, and you would learn very little useful or practical information from the small edited glimpses you see on the show.

You don't think that having some survival/camping skills would help you or your tribe out? Let me list some that I think would be very good to know:

Basic lashing skills
Shelter building
Fire making

There are tons of others that I could think of but even if you just had those basic skills, you'd be a ton better off. Having a good comfortable, dry, and full bellied night's sleep is something that you just can't discount.

[JLucPicard]

Why would watching the show necessitate any sort of survival/camping skill. They don't teach much of anything on there, and you would learn very little useful or practical information from the small edited glimpses you see on the show.
I think the comment maybe made reference to the fact that anyone who called themselves a "fan" and had aspirations of going on the show would understand the skills that it would be helpful to have and do research/study up/practice said skills in preparation. I don't think the comment was meant to say that they should have picked up those skills just from watching the show. From watching the show they should have picked up on the fact that those skills would be extremely helpful to have.

[Anubys]

I think the comment maybe made reference to the fact that anyone who called themselves a "fan" and had aspirations of going on the show would understand the skills that it would be helpful to have and do research/study up/practice said skills in preparation. I don't think the comment was meant to say that they should have picked up those skills just from watching the show. From watching the show they should have picked up on the fact that those skills would be extremely helpful to have.

well, I've watched every single ep of Survivor since it first started...but I can guarantee that there's no way I could build a shelter from the rain...

[Jebberwocky!]

you call yourself a fan? ;)

[Anubys]

you call yourself a fan? ;)

actually, if you read my statement (my English teacher would kill himself), you will notice that I said I cannot use rain to build a shelter :o

[JLucPicard]

But Anubys, having watched all that, if you applied to be on the show, would you maybe do some research on building shelters or starting fires?

[Anubys]

But Anubys, having watched all that, if you applied to be on the show, would you maybe do some research on building shelters or starting fires?

probably not...the chances of being picked are so small that I would not prepare "just in case"...if I understand correctly, there's no time to prepare once you're picked...

of course, if they give me 24-48 hours to prepare...I'd be ready to make a fire and fish...but not to build a shelter, I'm not handy WITH tools, let alone without them...

[Rob Helmerichs]

actually, if you read my statement (my English teacher would kill himself), you will notice that I said I cannot use rain to build a shelter :o
I bet Ozzie could! :D

[betts4]

But Anubys, having watched all that, if you applied to be on the show, would you maybe do some research on building shelters or starting fires?

I don't understand why the fans weren't a little better 'prepared'. I can say I would be, even if I was just applying and not much chance of getting picked. Heck, one weekend of study and a boy scout handbook could have helped the fan group.

[fmowry]

I bet Ozzie could! :D

Yes, but he still won't win. It'll probably be some non-survivor who couldn't start a fire with fire.

Frank

[TreborPugly]

You know what...after rewatching that challange I'm surprised that Chet lived after it was done. Check out at 15:00 into the show: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor16/video/video.php?cid=626672385&play=true&cc=2

I'm surprised that the first first "hit" didn't kill him. No wonder he couldn't get up quicikly.... ;)

Looking at this again, it's obvious to me that Joel made a bad situation MUCH worse. Any partner treated like that would have gotten dragged off his feet. He took the time he needed to get through an obstacle, but then started running immediately, without waiting for Chet to get through. Granted, Chet was going through too slowly, but even with a quick partner, he would have pulled them off their feet, just as they were getting up from navigating the obstacle.


But I'm also at a loss why in the world they paired the two of them together.

[MitchO]

Joel and Johnny Fairplay made an appearance Sunday night on TNA Wrestling's Pay Per View.

This statement brought to you solely for entertainment purposes. Discuss.~

[getreal]

I have a 6 foot shark on my wall that weighs 120 lbs.

Did you make sure that the midget scuba diver was removed from its belly before mounting the shark?
:D

And I was ROFLMAO at the chicken & the egg "facts" being thrown around here. LOL!!

City slickers. ;)

[Ruth]

probably not...the chances of being picked are so small that I would not prepare "just in case"...if I understand correctly, there's no time to prepare once you're picked...

of course, if they give me 24-48 hours to prepare...I'd be ready to make a fire and fish...but not to build a shelter, I'm not handy WITH tools, let alone without them...

Well, I am pretty sure there is a milti-step interview process. It's not like you send in your application with a million others, and they call you 6 months later and say we are coming for you in 24 hours. There are call-back interviews, etc. so you have a good idea that you are really in the running. Plus, the women obviously have sufficient time to buy new bikinis for the show -- surely there would be adequate time to read a book or two about wilderness skills!

[pmyers]

I think the comment maybe made reference to the fact that anyone who called themselves a "fan" and had aspirations of going on the show would understand the skills that it would be helpful to have and do research/study up/practice said skills in preparation. I don't think the comment was meant to say that they should have picked up those skills just from watching the show. From watching the show they should have picked up on the fact that those skills would be extremely helpful to have.

exactly. Thanks!

[marksman]

I am not sure, again, why fans of the show would be any more prepared to do this stuff than anyone else who ends up the show. Many seasons of the show tell us that people are usually not terribly equipped to deal with this stuff.

Again, not sure why people think this would be different for a fan of the show.

What did the big wrestler woman say last year? She was shocked that it was pretty much just a game show and not a survival show at all. She had learned all kinds of things that were basically a waste of time.

[Anubys]

there was a movie once (all I remember is that Burt Reynolds was in it and there was a lot of snow) where they showed you how to dig under your bed, put ambers from a fire in it and cover it...you can then sleep on the warm bed for the night...anyone know how that is done without setting yourself on fire or dying from smoke inhalation?

that would be one survival skill that would come in handy on the show...

[pmyers]

there was a movie once (all I remember is that Burt Reynolds was in it and there was a lot of snow) where they showed you how to dig under your bed, put ambers from a fire in it and cover it...you can then sleep on the warm bed for the night...anyone know how that is done without setting yourself on fire or dying from smoke inhalation?

that would be one survival skill that would come in handy on the show...

For sand: Dig a long narrow trench. Fill with hot coals. Put sand back over coals. Sleep warm.

Your actually better off getting off of the ground though. The ground is a very bad insulator....not to mention all the creepy crawlies.

[markz]

I'm hoping that when they ultimately vote off Ozzy that he just runs off into the jungle and goes Col. Kurtz on us. Then they'd have to send Probst up the river to deal with him. Now that's a show I would watch. :)

Somebody get this man a development deal Finally, a reality show worth watching!

[DevdogAZ]

probably not...the chances of being picked are so small that I would not prepare "just in case"...if I understand correctly, there's no time to prepare once you're picked...

of course, if they give me 24-48 hours to prepare...I'd be ready to make a fire and fish...but not to build a shelter, I'm not handy WITH tools, let alone without them...
I'm pretty sure that once the players are notified, they have about a week to get ready. You've got to remember that people have to leave jobs, leave families, etc. Doing those things requires making arrangements. Most people can't just drop everything and leave the country for a month and a half on a moment's notice. When you factor in all the stuff people have to do in a normal day, and then heap on top of that the sudden responsibility of getting your affairs in order so you can leave for that long, it's not surprising that most players don't have time to learn to swim or build shelters or make fire.

[pmyers]

I'm pretty sure that once the players are notified, they have about a week to get ready. You've got to remember that people have to leave jobs, leave families, etc. Doing those things requires making arrangements. Most people can't just drop everything and leave the country for a month and a half on a moment's notice. When you factor in all the stuff people have to do in a normal day, and then heap on top of that the sudden responsibility of getting your affairs in order so you can leave for that long, it's not surprising that most players don't have time to learn to swim or build shelters or make fire.

But it's not like you show up to a casting call in LA on Monday and you're in Timbuktu on Friday. I'm sure that there are multiple interviews over at least weeks, if not months before somebody is chosen.

ok...I'll let it go. I know that I complain every season about the lack of survival skills and it probably won't change....I need to get over it ;)

[Rob Helmerichs]

But it's not like you show up to a casting call in LA on Monday and you're in Timbuktu on Friday. I'm sure that there are multiple interviews over at least weeks, if not months before somebody is chosen.

ok...I'll let it go. I know that I complain every season about the lack of survival skills and it probably won't change....I need to get over it ;)
I wonder if the type of people they want on this show and the type of people who would spend the whole audition process preparing to be on the show are not two entirely different types..?

[scsiguy72]

Yes, but he still won't win. It'll probably be some non-survivor who couldn't start a fire with fire.

Frank

We're Switching to matches </Probst>

[Penny Lane]

But it's not like you show up to a casting call in LA on Monday and you're in Timbuktu on Friday. I'm sure that there are multiple interviews over at least weeks, if not months before somebody is chosen.

ok...I'll let it go. I know that I complain every season about the lack of survival skills and it probably won't change....I need to get over it ;)

I couldn't agree with you more. As soon as I was notified I was being considerd for Survivor I would be learning every survival technique I could. Not learning how to start a fire is stupid. In the past, building a fire was one of the tie breaker events.

[brettatk]

I'm pretty sure that once the players are notified, they have about a week to get ready. You've got to remember that people have to leave jobs, leave families, etc. Doing those things requires making arrangements. Most people can't just drop everything and leave the country for a month and a half on a moment's notice. When you factor in all the stuff people have to do in a normal day, and then heap on top of that the sudden responsibility of getting your affairs in order so you can leave for that long, it's not surprising that most players don't have time to learn to swim or build shelters or make fire.

I think they have a lot longer than a week to get ready. I remember reading about how someone that was on Survivor found out that they were selected and had time to lose a large amount of weight beforehand. They would have to know months in advance if this was in fact true.

[heySkippy]

I think they have a lot longer than a week to get ready. I remember reading about how someone that was on Survivor found out that they were selected and had time to lose a large amount of weight beforehand. They would have to know months in advance if this was in fact true.

Why in the heck would someone lose weight before going on a survival show where contestants frequently go hungry? Seems opposite of what they should do.

[Jebberwocky!]

Why in the heck would someone lose weight before going on a survival show where contestants frequently go hungry? Seems opposite of what they should do.

all depends on where you start - I would lose 30 or so before and another 30-40 on the island assuming I lasted for a while.

[Anubys]

all depends on where you start - I would lose 30 or so before and another 30-40 on the island assuming I lasted for a while.

:D

that's exactly what I was thinking...more important than survivor skills is getting in shape...the only activity for me for the past 5 years has been "climbing" into to bed :o

[newsposter]

We're Switching to matches </Probst>

was there lighter fluid there too?:rolleyes:

[TiVo Bum]

the only activity for me for the past 5 years has been "climbing" into to bed :oYou climb?? You really need to lose the frame and lay that sucker on the floor - makes it much, much easier. :D If either of my feet ever lose contact with the ground for any reason, well, that's just way too much work.

If they ever had a show opposite to "Survivor" called something like "First Dead" that million bucks would be mine!

[scsiguy72]

If they ever had a show opposite to "Survivor" called something like "First Dead" that million bucks would be mine!

That would make for an entertaining show. They should make a Survivor all star "losers" where all of those that were voted out first come back to try again. Would make for a fun show.

Chet would seem like a god to them

[TreborPugly]

How about winners vs losers? Start off with two tribes, one full of people who won survivor, one full of people who were voted off first. My theory is that it wouldn't go so bad for the losers. It would be a good demonstration of the luck factor in this game.

[Sadara]

How about winners vs losers? Start off with two tribes, one full of people who won survivor, one full of people who were voted off first. My theory is that it wouldn't go so bad for the losers. It would be a good demonstration of the luck factor in this game.

I think that is an excellent idea!! There have been plenty of fit dudes voted out first. There is a lot of luck or bad luck that factors in to being first voted off.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I think that is an excellent idea!! There have been plenty of fit dudes voted out first. There is a lot of luck or bad luck that factors in to being first voted off.
...and if things go terribly wrong, they can always do a tribal mix...

[DevdogAZ]

I don't know about that. It's pretty common that those voted out first are those who can't operate well in a group environment and try to "take over" or impose their will on the tribe. Generally by the end of the third day (the day of the first TC), it's pretty clear who is grating on everyone's nerves. If you created a tribe of 8-10 of these people exclusively, it might be a nightmare (but it would probably make for some great TV).

[Roadblock]

This is my first post, about Survivor...

They Killed the rooster not a hen. I noticed it right away. Now they can't get tons of eggs, What were they thinking? Three of them are Brown and one is White with a massive red crest on top of the rooster's head and is called a cockscomb or ****'s comb. I can't believe no one thought about the reason there was one Rooster and three hens? They even called him Charlie, they must have had some clue...
The Rooster has to the bang the chickens to make the eggs. No Rooster, no eggs.

Did anyone remember someone saying at the end o the last show, "There are not that many eggs"?.

They are so stupid

Sorry, I have to quote this to make sure it lives on. Might as well just stop at one post there, buddy.

John Henner is a complete loser.

Who?

chet is a pageant coach? i seriously LOL'd when i saw that...

Disturbing.

[pmyers]

How about winners vs losers? Start off with two tribes, one full of people who won survivor, one full of people who were voted off first. My theory is that it wouldn't go so bad for the losers. It would be a good demonstration of the luck factor in this game.

That means we'd have to listen to at kookie lady that sang!

[Anubys]

That means we'd have to listen to at kookie lady that sang!

that is so funny...she was the first person I thought of...her and "Chicken" (bet you he knew you don't need a rooster to get eggs!)...

[jking]

Can you imagine the scrambling to NOT be the first one voted out of the loser tribe? :D