Jericho - Oversight

[Sadara]

I'm enjoying this show so very much now!! I sure wish they had done more than 7 episodes.

The administrator has some vendetta going against Jericho and I wonder why he stole the money, at least to me it's clear he stole the money.

[Gai-jin]

I'm enjoying this show so very much now!! I sure wish they had done more than 7 episodes.

The administrator has some vendetta going against Jericho and I wonder why he stole the money, at least to me it's clear he stole the money.

Same here. I would love to have a full season, and many more after this one. Unfortunately, I think 3 more is all we're going to get.

[Rob Helmerichs]

The administrator has some vendetta going against Jericho and I wonder why he stole the money, at least to me it's clear he stole the money.
I think it's as simple as, he's a thieving $%#&.

I suspect that will be his downfall. They indicated in this episode that thieving $%#&s tend not to be well-received at J&R, at least when they're stealing FROM J&R. Jericho will get rid of him not by getting rid of him, but by letting J&R know what he's up to. Perhaps the last time we see him will be when he's carried away in the Humvee to the J&R prison like the kid was this week...

As for the administrator's vendetta, we know the source of that from last season.

[ADG]

I think it's as simple as, he's a thieving $%#&.

I suspect that will be his downfall. They indicated in this episode that thieving $%#&s tend not to be well-received at J&R, at least when they're stealing FROM J&R. Jericho will get rid of him not by getting rid of him, but by letting J&R know what he's up to. Perhaps the last time we see him will be when he's carried away in the Humvee to the J&R prison like the kid was this week...

As for the administrator's vendetta, we know the source of that from last season.

I agree this seemed to be the setup for the administrator's downfall. If they leave him in the show "permanently" the continuous moral and ethical conflicts between him and the Major, the J&R blonde and Jake will get old real fast. And I'm not sure how they could resolve any future relationship between him and Dale (whose extraction from incarceration was just a little too pat for my taste - in fact, so was that whole mini-sub-plot). They need to move him out and get Daniel Benzalli's character more involved.

[Sparty99]

I promise I'm not a spoiler Nazi but this thread really needs to indicate that there will be spoilers inside.

I disagree that the money issue is going to bring him down. I think his downfall will be the action he took against Mimi and Bonnie in trying to track down the ledger. There was no reason for him to advance by force trying to track something down like that - even if he claims there was - and killing Bonnie is not going to go over well.

And if the previews are any indication, a standoff at the hospital isn't going to be a great way to prove your innocence to the military commander, who has to come in at some point.

That said, the attack on Bonnie and Mimi really rubbed me the wrong way. It's like they're trying to show that the Ravenwood guy has absolutely no humanity, and that had pretty much been well established before they killed off a halfway-decent character.

[DevdogAZ]

Another good episode, but I have this bad feeling that they're getting deeper into the story rather than slowly tying things up. Seems like if the finale actually resolves everything, it will be done quickly and sloppily, which I'm not going to be happy about.

[Gai-jin]

I disagree that the money issue is going to bring him down. I think his downfall will be the action he took against Mimi and Bonnie in trying to track down the ledger. There was no reason for him to advance by force trying to track something down like that - even if he claims there was - and killing Bonnie is not going to go over well.


Yeah, but they went to such lengths in a previous episode to point out that J&R is completely above the law, and killing innocents is without repercussion when you work for J&R. They also pointed out this episode how harshly J&R views embezling.

[Kamakzie]

I was sad to see Bonnie die but at least she took out 3 of those SOB's first!

[Gai-jin]

was it only 3?

[Kamakzie]

Maybe 4? She kind of went Rambo before she died.

[Sadara]

Maybe 4? She kind of went Rambo before she died.

If she had to go out, that's the best way for her to go!!

[teknikel]

This show has me intrigued. But not sure if I really like it. But I keep coming back to see what happens.

Now I do realize it is now about the cover up but was $10,000 worth shooting Mimi and bringing out "Badass" Bonnie and then killing her?

Maybe this means she is going back to Weeds.:up:

[Rob Helmerichs]

Now I do realize it is now about the cover up but was $10,000 worth shooting Mimi and bringing out "Badass" Bonnie and then killing her?
I don't think it was about the $10,000; it was about his life, which he will apparently lose if and when J&R find out about it.

He needed to recover the evidence and eliminate the witness. He failed.

And again, I don't think it's the good people of Jericho who will eliminate the DB Sweeney problem. It's J&R.

[DVDKingdom]

It looks promising that Jericho is going to be renewed for a third season. The preview for next weeks show said 3 more episodes left this season. The CBS official message board is going crazy over this hint. Also for those that may want access to a special preview to next weeks show here is a link to a hidden Jericho page. Note page not yet updated to next weeks preview.

Jericho (http://www.cbs.com/nuts/)
User ID: rangers
Password: jerichonuts

[Kamakzie]

I hope your right about it coming back for a 3rd season!

[JYoung]

No, it means that CBS hasn't decided yet whether or not to renew.

[teknikel]

I don't think it was about the $10,000; it was about his life, which he will apparently lose if and when J&R find out about it.

He needed to recover the evidence and eliminate the witness. He failed.

And again, I don't think it's the good people of Jericho who will eliminate the DB Sweeney problem. It's J&R.
But $10K seems like such a small amount to take in the first place. I guess it could be a monthly thing but it just seems plain stupid to do in the first place. There would seem to be better ways to get that money than directly from the books, like through businesses in town.

[GadgetFreak]

Anyone know what the morse code was for this week (or last week)??

[atrac]

I'm terribly saddened and shocked by Bonnie's death. A big :( from me.

Absolutely still love the show though! :)

[DevdogAZ]

It looks promising that Jericho is going to be renewed for a third season. The preview for next weeks show said 3 more episodes left this season. The CBS official message board is going crazy over this hint. Also for those that may want access to a special preview to next weeks show here is a link to a hidden Jericho page. Note page not yet updated to next weeks preview.

Jericho (http://www.cbs.com/nuts/)
User ID: rangers
Password: jerichonuts

That's not a hint at all. That's just stating facts. What else are they supposed to say? Do you really expect them to say "Three more episodes in the series" when they haven't officially announced it is being canceled? But it sure doesn't mean that they're hinting at renewal.

[Mike10]

That's not a hint at all. That's just stating facts. What else are they supposed to say? Do you really expect them to say "Three more episodes in the series" when they haven't officially announced it is being canceled? But it sure doesn't mean that they're hinting at renewal.

yeah that seems like a really dumb reason to get excited

[HDTivoUser]

Anyone know what the morse code was for this week (or last week)??

The morse code for this week's episode was "A COSTLY DEATH". If I recall correctly, last weeks was "CALLER KNOWS ALL".

[Rob Helmerichs]

But $10K seems like such a small amount to take in the first place. I guess it could be a monthly thing but it just seems plain stupid to do in the first place. There would seem to be better ways to get that money than directly from the books, like through businesses in town.
Stupid or arrogant. And when you've gotten your way as much as he has, I can see being both.

I also suspect that the $10,000 is a very small part of his illicit income stream; it's just the part he got caught on and, perhaps more importnantly, that he can be executed over. As far as J&R is concerned, I'm sure shaking down the locals is no big deal. Stealing from J&R, however..!

[TriBruin]

I'm terribly saddened and shocked by Bonnie's death. A big :( from me.

Absolutely still love the show though! :)


I felt that Bonnie's death was too out there and senseless. It just seemed so random. Even though I had no spoiler information regarding any deaths, I was getting a little worried about Heather. They seemed to be setting her up.

What is up with Trish(?) the J&R girl. Are they setting her up to a good guy inside J&R?

[jeff125va]

I promise I'm not a spoiler Nazi but this thread really needs to indicate that there will be spoilers inside.
No, it's the "official" thread for the episode. Although it would have helped to have the episode title in quotes and/or a date in the thread title. Someone might not have realized it was the title of the episode.

Now I'm also really hoping it gets renewed. It doesn't really look like they're going to be able to wrap up the story in just 7 episodes.

[cheesesteak]

I didn't expect that! Bonnie went Omar on the J&R guys.

I'm not happy with Bonnie's death. I liked the character. I guess her murder will be what galvanizes Jericho's citizens against J&R. Mimi, on the other hand...

I hope they renew this show.

[MasterCephus]

I bet that the embezzlement will help undermine the administrator, but I imagine that the military will have him removed, or he will be killed.

No one has found it interesting that J & R pretty much planned the whole thing?

Again I don't know if this has been touched on in another thread, but the guy talking at the bar was complaining about not getting to talk to his wife (presumed) because she was in the east...it led me to start thinking how a war would work...

If you have people from the east fighting the east...how much fight would the guys have in them?

[Sparty99]

No, it's the "official" thread for the episode. Although it would have helped to have the episode title in quotes and/or a date in the thread title. Someone might not have realized it was the title of the episode.

Now I'm also really hoping it gets renewed. It doesn't really look like they're going to be able to wrap up the story in just 7 episodes.
Sorry, that's what I meant. The problem is that the title of the episode (Oversight) - which I didn't know - could lead one to believe that they were posting an error on the show (continuity or the producers overlooking something, i.e., "oversight"). I honestly came into the thread not knowing it was a thread about the most recent episode. If I hadn't seen the show I'd have been pissed.

[cheesesteak]

I still don't know why Mimi didn't just throw the ledger out the door.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I still don't know why Mimi didn't just throw the ledger out the door.
I think she's been around the block enough to know that when a bunch of heavily armed murderous thugs show up at your door to cover up a crime they've committed, they're not just going to take the evidence and leave the witness behind...

[BeanMeScot]

It was obvious that he was the one doing the embezzling and she was already stuck. She should have gone straight to the major and laid it out for him. At least that way, if she "disappears" he's not going to get away with it.

[Rob Helmerichs]

It was obvious that he was the one doing the embezzling and she was already stuck. She should have gone straight to the major and laid it out for him. At least that way, if she "disappears" he's not going to get away with it.
Yeah, a lot of that storyline was plot-driven, not logic-driven. E.g., there's no way in hell that the Ravenwood guys would have left her alive.

[DevdogAZ]

OK, does it bug anyone else that this new country based in Cheyenne has changed the flag and calls itself the Allied States of America, yet the uniforms of the soldiers still say US Army? They've gotten around to producing and sewing on new flags to the uniforms but can't make bars that say AS Army?

[jeff125va]

OK, does it bug anyone else that this new country based in Cheyenne has changed the flag and calls itself the Allied States of America, yet the uniforms of the soldiers still say US Army? They've gotten around to producing and sewing on new flags to the uniforms but can't make bars that say AS Army?
I noticed that too. But I didn't get a good enough look at the flag to be sure whether it was the ASA flag or if it was "backwards" like soldiers wear them.

But yes, it bugs me.

[Cainebj]

Well the illogical moment for me was when the administrator said "we'll just come in and look around" and she ran in and got the shotgun. First, she had too much time to get inside and get the gun and second, she should have just let them in and trusted that Mimi would have hidden or ran out the back.

Didn't make any sense other than to have her killed.
It reminded me of one of the first episodes where the fake cops arrived at the farmhouse and they played along with them.

[speedcouch]

I noticed that too. But I didn't get a good enough look at the flag to be sure whether it was the ASA flag or if it was "backwards" like soldiers wear them.

What I think it interesting is that the one deputy (who recently came back to work after spending time in the hosptial), still has the actual Amercian flag on his uniform. I noticed that the day he returned and figured the current "authority" would tell him to change it. They never did and it still appears on his shirt every week. Is this just a continuity error or one of the resident's little "rebellions?"

This was a really awesome episode IMHO! Loved that Jake convinced the Major that something wasn't right with the administrator. That's a poignant moment in him coming over to their side.

Heather - I was SO sure she'd act so suspcious she'd get caught. Glad to see the Major trusted her enough to override the guy who caught her.

As to Bonnie going, I didn't care for the character much, but thought it was hilarious was able to outgun 3-4 guys based on her other senses. They made sure to show she got the last one based on seeing his shadow. I'm assuming she got the others based on feeling vibrations, etc.

Mimi hiding in the pantry and getting shot was kind of lame, plus the fact I found myself saying "who called the police?" in the aftermath. I'm sure the Ravenwood guys wouldn't have done that. A bit farfetched for me, but still a very revealing and rivetting episode.

Cheryl

[MacThor]

OK, does it bug anyone else that this new country based in Cheyenne has changed the flag and calls itself the Allied States of America, yet the uniforms of the soldiers still say US Army? They've gotten around to producing and sewing on new flags to the uniforms but can't make bars that say AS Army?

Yes, I mentioned this a few episodes back. At least if the East wins "Civil War II" they'll save themselves some effort switching it back.

[rawbi01]

I this show has redeemed itself. I was watching last year but was losing interest. Now this is one of my favorite shows. So good in fact that I went to isohunt and downloaded the HD versions. !!

[TheGreyOwl]

Some plot points that didn't make sense to me:

1. The radiation scan - was this done everywhere or just around Jericho? I can't believe they're going through that much security in every small town, so how did they know to scan Jericho in the first place?

2. Heather has access to an office that requires extremely high security clearance? Why? And on top of that, there are documents in there that she doesn't have access to. Then why would they give her access?

3. Whoever did the radiation scan would surely have noticed a nuclear bomb. It's hard to believe that they did the scan and didn't notify anyone else about their findings and just packaged it up in a binder assuming the right people would eventually see it. Even if it was a computerized scan, there would surely be something to flag anomalies and notify someone.

4. The missing page will be noticed. It had a list of coordinates that were scanned, and when the major (or whoever) looks through the binder he'll notice a missing section. It would then be not too hard to put it all together especially after catching Heather in the office earlier.

[dcheesi]

Some plot points that didn't make sense to me:

1. The radiation scan - was this done everywhere or just around Jericho? I can't believe they're going through that much security in every small town, so how did they know to scan Jericho in the first place?Remember they had reason to believe that Sarah Mason had been there, so they'd be looking for the bomb just in case she left it there.

2. Heather has access to an office that requires extremely high security clearance? Why? And on top of that, there are documents in there that she doesn't have access to. Then why would they give her access?I was puzzled at first, too. But keep in mind that she didn't come directly from Jericho or Newburn (New Bern?); IIRC she wound up in an ASA refugee camp last season. Presumably she's been dealing/working with the ASA gubmint folks for some time before they ever made it to Jericho. So they trust her more than the regular Jericho citizens.

3. Whoever did the radiation scan would surely have noticed a nuclear bomb. It's hard to believe that they did the scan and didn't notify anyone else about their findings and just packaged it up in a binder assuming the right people would eventually see it. Even if it was a computerized scan, there would surely be something to flag anomalies and notify someone.Hawkins made it clear that even with their sophisticated scans, they still can't distinguish between the bomb and other, presumably innocuous, "hot spots" in the area. IIRC the line that matched his coordinates had asterisks highlighting it as a hot-spot, but there are probably many others in the area, listed on the remaining pages. It does seem strange that they wouldn't have an "executive summary" page listing just the hot-spots, though...

4. The missing page will be noticed. It had a list of coordinates that were scanned, and when the major (or whoever) looks through the binder he'll notice a missing section. It would then be not too hard to put it all together especially after catching Heather in the office earlier.I tend to agree with you here. Of course it's a paper report in a binder(?!), so it will take them a little time to notice the gap, and a little more to determine that it's not a clerical error. But yeah, eventually the general will remember her little incident...

[dcheesi]

BTW, here's a WAG that might render a lot of these issues moot (and raise some new ones):

Is it just me, or did the voice on the phone sound a lot like Major Beck? Obviously there's some deliberate obfuscation of the voice going, albeit less than in last episode (it was clearly altered there), so I could just be hearing things.

But if is Beck, that would change the situation in interesting ways. The question of course is why he'd have Hawkins jumping through hoops? Perhaps to protect his own identity in case Hawkins blows it later on?

[IJustLikeTivo]

I was sad to see Bonnie die but at least she took out 3 of those SOB's first!

I haven't been that excited since Chloe on 24 picked up a machine gun.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Some plot points that didn't make sense to me:

1. The radiation scan - was this done everywhere or just around Jericho? I can't believe they're going through that much security in every small town, so how did they know to scan Jericho in the first place?

2. Heather has access to an office that requires extremely high security clearance? Why? And on top of that, there are documents in there that she doesn't have access to. Then why would they give her access?

3. Whoever did the radiation scan would surely have noticed a nuclear bomb. It's hard to believe that they did the scan and didn't notify anyone else about their findings and just packaged it up in a binder assuming the right people would eventually see it. Even if it was a computerized scan, there would surely be something to flag anomalies and notify someone.

4. The missing page will be noticed. It had a list of coordinates that were scanned, and when the major (or whoever) looks through the binder he'll notice a missing section. It would then be not too hard to put it all together especially after catching Heather in the office earlier.

So many holes it's hard to know where to begin.

1. The whole radiation scan makes no sense. Why would they suddenly decide to scan and why would a heavily shielded bomb, buried underground show up at all. I haven't laughed that hard since Sky King used a geiger counter in a plane to find uranium.

2. The sheriffs office would never be allowed to be a skif. Windows everywhere... I don't think so. Plus a true skif would require clearances even for a secret ( lowest) that they wouldn't have time to do for a loca.

3. See one.

4. Why send mapping data in printed form when according to the plot line, they would then analyze it and find the radiation. Why not do the analysis and send the results? It's not like they have radiation analysis experts in Jericho.

[newsposter]

wont the good insider J/R girl have to be killed now too?

So what was the story behind the freeing of the kid? Someone else called the bossman and told him to call the checkpoint? I didnt get how he knew to call the checkpoint at exactly the same time as jake got there.

will ravenwood now lose the contract to run the town?

[rondotcom]

BTW, here's a WAG that might render a lot of these issues moot (and raise some new ones):

Is it just me, or did the voice on the phone sound a lot like Major Beck? Obviously there's some deliberate obfuscation of the voice going, albeit less than in last episode (it was clearly altered there), so I could just be hearing things.

But if is Beck, that would change the situation in interesting ways. The question of course is why he'd have Hawkins jumping through hoops? Perhaps to protect his own identity in case Hawkins blows it later on?

I thought so too, but my wife says the voice isn't his.

[stellie93]

So what was the story behind the freeing of the kid? Someone else called the bossman and told him to call the checkpoint? I didnt get how he knew to call the checkpoint at exactly the same time as jake got there.

will ravenwood now lose the contract to run the town?

Jake's brother went to the Major in town and told him what was going on.

You might get someone a little better than Ravenwood, but still J&R are the main criminals.

I think Bonnie realized that Mimi wasn't going to live, and put her life on the line for her and for Stanley. Farm girls are tough, and I like the way this show points out the need for the 2nd amendment. Where would Jericho be if no one had guns? You know Ravenwood and the army would have them. Stanley has to man up now and join the revolution!

[newsposter]

but this is not a revolution! (their quote not mine)

[Bierboy]

I haven't been that excited since Chloe on 24 picked up a machine gun.
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[Alfer]

Word is the series finale is March 25th....ratings keep sinking and I read CBS is ready to close it down.....and no season 3.

[classicX]

noooooo!

[Kamakzie]

Doesn't surprise me the ratings have been abysmal.. :(

[visionary]

If they had focused on a group wanting to take over the world, and had more bombs now to do so, and followed that part of the plot, I bet the viewers would have stayed and we'd have a season 3. As it is, it is a bunch of political people fighting and occasionally shooting, kind of like a civil war (in fact it IS a civil war) and CBS ought to know civil war shows were tried on TV and did not do well, where something like an 007 show, or a mission impossible, did quite well.