New Amsterdam

[Fl_Gulfer]

Just a reminder It starts tonight......:up:

[SeanC]

But isn't this show already DOA?

Why get involved in a show that they aren't going to make anymore?

[domat]

But isn't this show already DOA?

Why get involved in a show that they aren't going to make anymore?

Because it might be good? Do you go to movies only if you know there will be sequels?

[TonyTheTiger]

No, but I'd avoid a movie that's likely to not have an ending!

[emandbri]

That was pretty bad. It was totally predicable and annoying how he just kept casually saying he was at places and did things in the past.

[Sadara]

This show is already dead? If it's dead, I agree I'm not going to watch.

[Cindy1230]

It wasn't too bad. The voice overs were getting annoying and there were alot of continuity things. I think the concept of the show is interesting.

I'm curious to see how many other idol watchers watched it. I'm not sure it'll make it after the move to Monday unless they've done alot of tweaking in the next episodes.

[Rob Helmerichs]

This show is already dead? If it's dead, I agree I'm not going to watch.
No, it's not. In fact, they're giving it a pretty big push--I was wondering why it was wandering around the schedule this week, but it turns out the reason is so that it will follow American Idol, Fox's biggest show, for its first two airings. If that's not giving it a fair shot, I don't know what is. And like all the networks, Fox will be scrambling more than usual this year to find stuff to air in the fall.

[brettatk]

Since I have a Tivo I could care less what time slot it's in or what show it follows. It would only matter to people who actually watch "live" tv. I thought it was interesting and has potential. I'll have to watch a couple more episodes before making a final verdict. And I'd much rather know that a series is doomed from the beginning and might not last an entire season rather than investing time watching two or three seasons of a show and having the network abruptly cancel it giving it no closure.

[TonyTheTiger]

Since I have a Tivo I could care less what time slot it's in or what show it follows. It would only matter to people who actually watch "live" tv. I thought it was interesting and has potential. I'll have to watch a couple more episodes before making a final verdict. And I'd much rather know that a series is doomed from the beginning and might not last an entire season rather than investing time watching two or three seasons of a show and having the network abruptly cancel it giving it no closure.

This may come as a surprise, but this still covers the majority of TV watching. DVR usage is a minority sport - even people who have them mostly don't use them properly.

Obviously people on this board may disagree because, like me, they've had TiVo (ar a DVR at least) for some time and probably can't imagine TV without it. However, although it's an increasing number, it's still a minority.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

[Rob Helmerichs]

This may come as a surprise, but this still covers the majority of TV watching. DVR usage is a minority sport - even people who have them mostly don't use them properly.
Which is why we SHOULD care what time slot it's in or what show it follows, because although none of that matters to us, it makes a big difference in the show's chances at survival.

[TonyTheTiger]

Which is why we SHOULD care what time slot it's in or what show it follows, because although none of that matters to us, it makes a big difference in the show's chances at survival.

Exactly my point :)

(Oh and happy YAMM, BTW).

[brettatk]

There's not much I can do about a show's survival. I understand that most people do not have or use a DVR. All I did was state that for myself it doesnt matter what night or time slot the show is in. I'll Tivo it and watch it when I can.

[ADG]

Not terrible, but the initial banter between the two main characters when she first appeared at the crime scene was (terrible, that is). Can't see how this show can have any legs though.

[danterner]

I liked this better than I thought I would. I especially liked the time-lapse montage of Times Square from tee-pees to the present. The actual case was only so-so, but the show did what it needed to do in a pilot episode - laid some ground rules, established the characters, piqued my interest.

I was fully expecting there to be a follow-up scene where Amsterdam admits to Eva that, in fact, he didn't have a 6 year old child that was killed but just said that he did in order to establish rapport with the celebutant's mother. Guess not, though.

[AJRitz]

That was pretty bad. It was totally predicable and annoying how he just kept casually saying he was at places and did things in the past.

What she said. I watched, and was thoroughly unimpressed.

[ThePennyDropped]

I fell asleep halfway through it. That being said, I'll watch the remainder of it soonish and also watch the second episode, since the local paper says the second episode is much better. Based on that review, I'll give it a chance, through two episodes at least.

--Debbie

[dswallow]

I watched it again after having watched it when it was first leaked -- what seems like a long time ago, now.

I think it's great and look forward to more; it held up well through a second viewing, too. I sure hope the American Idol lemmings at least just leave the TV tuned to the same channel after that disaster ends so this has some hope of getting decent ratings. :p

[TIVO_GUY_HERE]

Since no air date in title, wont say much about episode, but It's basically just another buddy cop show, not a good one at that, but it is the 1st episode.

How many episodes were shot?

[jwjody]

I kinda enjoyed this. Not the best show on TV but I'll keep watching.

J

[Vendikarr]

Since no air date in title, wont say much about episode, but It's basically just another buddy cop show, not a good one at that, but it is the 1st episode.

How many episodes were shot?

I believe they shot seven episodes.

[Fl_Gulfer]

I have no clue what some of you watched but we really liked the show at our house. I like how he was a famous furniture maker and could build new stuff and make it look like it was built years ago.
There are alot of aspects of the show that could make it a real good series.

[jschuur]

I liked this better than I thought I would. I especially liked the time-lapse montage of Times Square from tee-pees to the present.

There's an episode of Ancient Discovers on the History Channel next week called Ancient New York (http://www.history.com/shows.do?episodeId=273131&action=detail) that fits in nicely with this series. Although based on the description, it goes back much further than John's lifetime.

I enjoyed the pilot too. Looking forward to watching more episodes.

[gschrock]

From what I read, that pilot had some serious rework done on it before it got to it's final form. I wonder if that contributed to it being a little awkward in spots, so it'll be interesting to see how the next couple of episodes go. I thought it was decent enough to try another episode or two.

[Fl_Gulfer]

If DVR company's had any kind of brain they would give free classes on how to connect and use them. About a quarter of owners don't have them connected properly and half don't know how to use them properly. The same with HDTV's. It just drives me nuts that people waste money on things they have no clue on how to connect or operate.

[SeanC]

No, it's not. In fact, they're giving it a pretty big push...

Well, whether they are pushing it or not doesn't seem that relevant considering how starved the networks are for material at the moment.

Months ago I could have sworn I heard that the shows that they had in the can were all that were going to be produced, making it basically a 7 episode pilot.

[efilippi]

About a quarter of owners don't have them connected properly and half don't know how to use them properly.

Like Charlie Brown, you just make up statistics to add flavor to the conversation? Where on earth did you come up with this info?

As for the show, not as good as I had hoped from all the hype I read. But I'll continue watching. Hey, its on TV!:p

[jwjody]

I remember seeing previews for this a while back. Did there use to be a different actor? I remember thinking at one time the main guy looked like the guy from The Shield. The guy that was suppose to be taking the team over from Vic.

J

[danterner]

I remember seeing previews for this a while back. Did there use to be a different actor?

Are you thinking of David Boreanaz (http://www.tv.com/angel/show/12/summary.html?q=&tag=search_results;title;1)? Or Alex O'Loughlin (http://www.tv.com/moonlight/show/68684/summary.html)? Or Geraint Wyn Davies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103417/)? ;) While I like this show enough to watch, the "immortal police detective" thing has been done a time or two before. This one's unique spin is that he is not a vampire.

[Rob Helmerichs]

This one's unique spin is that he is not a vampire.
They even tease us with it a little, when he's talking about vampires.

[robpickles]

I thought it was ok. It didn't wow me. It is just another Highlander ripoff but this time he is a cop. I might give it another try.

Rob :)

[JimSpence]

I kept thinking about The Highlander.

[brettatk]

I thought it was ok. It didn't wow me. It is just another Highlander ripoff but this time he is a cop. I might give it another try.

Rob :)

If you saw the next episodes preview it hints toward Highlander. He is talking to some kid and telling him he's been shot, stabbed, etc. The kid asks if he's ever had his head cutoff.

[cheesesteak]

If you saw the next episodes preview it hints toward Highlander. He is talking to some kid and telling him he's been shot, stabbed, etc. The kid asks if he's ever had his head cutoff.
I think the Spoiler Police are tracking you by satellite now.



It was ok. I'll give it a few more episodes. The dialog between Amsterdam, his new partner and the neanderthal cop was pretty bad.

[brettatk]

I think the Spoiler Police are tracking you by satellite now.



LOL. I did think about using the spoiler tag but that preview did not spoil anything. If it had I'd certainly have used it. If someone gets upset then oh well.

[cheesesteak]

LOL. I did think about using the spoiler tag but that preview did not spoil anything. If it had I'd certainly have used it. If someone get's upset then oh well.
I think the Apostrophe Police are tracking you too. :)

[brettatk]

I think the Apostrophe Police are tracking you too. :)

Wow, I only have one space after one of the periods also. I better go edit it now.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Wow, I only have one space after one of the periods also. I better go edit it now.
Yeah youd think after 940 posts youd be better at punctuation Im amazed you can live with the humiliation

[TonyTheTiger]

Yeah youd think after 940 posts youd be better at punctuation Im amazed you can live with the humiliation

Hmmm, shouldn't you be ending a sentence with a period? What about the missing apostrophes?

13k+ posts and you don't know THAT?????

;) :D :)

[TAsunder]

I'm 5 minutes in but it's going to be hard to enjoy this show if the acting does not improve substantially. This is by far the worst acted show on television so far. Yes, I'm even including smallville. Was this originally shot as soft porn for cinemax?

[pjenkins]

it was uneven but i'll watch the series to see if it gets better, only 6 more right, and nothing much else on TV lately :)

[digdug]

I wasn't really hooked. Another immortal detective with his own personal mystery to solve, sadness over being immortal, blah blah blah.

I don't think I will do an SP for this one.

[Bierboy]

I liked it...SP remains.

[Shakhari]

The second episode is airing tonight opposite Lost, I think.

[debtoine]

I liked it.

T

[getreal]

The second episode is airing tonight opposite Lost, I think.

I saw the second episode last night.

[Craigbob]

Are you thinking of David Boreanaz (http://www.tv.com/angel/show/12/summary.html?q=&tag=search_results;title;1)? Or Alex O'Loughlin (http://www.tv.com/moonlight/show/68684/summary.html)? Or Geraint Wyn Davies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103417/)? ;) While I like this show enough to watch, the "immortal police detective" thing has been done a time or two before. This one's unique spin is that he is not a vampire.

True, but for an immortal, I prefer Highlander the Series. Somehow I don't see this getting into the type of character depth of Duncan MacLeod.

Craig

[BobB]

I kept thinking about The Highlander.

Actually the show concept is taken from a book by Pete Hamill called Forever. http://www.amazon.com/Forever-Novel-Pete-Hamill/dp/0316735698

Same basic plot - man comes to NY in the 17C, saves the life of an Indian slave whose magical sister puts a spell on him so that he can't die until he either leaves Manhattan or meets his true soul mate, and he then stays in NYC for the next 300 years. In the TV version, of course, they make him a cop, because, well, it's TV.

The book's a bit florid, not what I'd call fine literature, but an enjoyable read. Better than this TV series (which I haven't seen and don't intend to), apparently.

[Jebberwocky!]

put me the "I Like It" group picture.

[gschrock]

Actually the show concept is taken from a book by Pete Hamill called Forever. http://www.amazon.com/Forever-Novel-Pete-Hamill/dp/0316735698


That actually seems to be a point of contention. http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/04/apontv.newnewamsterdam.ap/index.html Part way through that article is a comment about it, and the series exec producer claims he hadn't heard of the book till after they finished production.

[brnscofrnld]

put me the "I Like It" group picture.

+1

I like the idea behind the show.

[BobB]

That actually seems to be a point of contention. http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/04/apontv.newnewamsterdam.ap/index.html Part way through that article is a comment about it, and the series exec producer claims he hadn't heard of the book till after they finished production.

Bullpucky. The similarities - no let's be precise, IDENTICALITIES - that I pointed out alone are more than enough to prove it. This producer cannot seriously claim with a straight face that he independently came up with the concept of a guy who A) gets his immortality by saving the brother of an African woman during the slave trade in New York, who then B) grants him said immortality until he either leaves Manhattan or finds his true love?

He's just trying to get away with not paying royalties where royalties are due. Typical Hollywood, bald-faced thievery.

[mattack]

That was pretty bad. It was totally predicable and annoying how he just kept casually saying he was at places and did things in the past.

I actually thought that was kind of cool.. I *like* when shows just drop you in and don't explain everything.

Though the show itself wasn't great. I'm definitely recording tonight's and will probably keep watching.

[mattack]

I believe they shot seven episodes.

epguides.com and SFTV's listings only show 6.

[emandbri]

I actually thought that was kind of cool.. I *like* when shows just drop you in and don't explain everything.

Though the show itself wasn't great. I'm definitely recording tonight's and will probably keep watching.

It wasn't being dropped in the middle that bugged me, it was the fact that people won't take him seriously if he keeps saying weird things like "I was at a speak easy," etc. If he has been around for so long he would have realized that by now. ;)

[Rob Helmerichs]

It wasn't being dropped in the middle that bugged me, it was the fact that people won't take him seriously if he keeps saying weird things like "I was at a speak easy," etc. If he has been around for so long he would have realized that by now. ;)
On the other hand, having people not take him seriously isn't necessarily a bad thing when he's hiding a big honking secret...if they stumble across something that might lead them to the truth, they'd probably just think, "Oh, that joker!"

[Vendikarr]

Bullpucky. The similarities - no let's be precise, IDENTICALITIES - that I pointed out alone are more than enough to prove it. This producer cannot seriously claim with a straight face that he independently came up with the concept of a guy who A) gets his immortality by saving the brother of an African woman during the slave trade in New York, who then B) grants him said immortality until he either leaves Manhattan or finds his true love?

He's just trying to get away with not paying royalties where royalties are due. Typical Hollywood, bald-faced thievery.

It was an Indian woman he saved, not a slave, and he's free to leave NYC whenever he wants. In the pilot he said he at Normandy, and we saw him enlist in 1941 tonight.

[Vendikarr]

epguides.com and SFTV's listings only show 6.

This news story from the Hollywood Reporter said seven.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ia3615def51405dc36516fa600eb2793a


Production on Fox's midseason drama "New Amsterdam" has been shut down indefinitely.

With seven episodes of supernatural drama in the can, the network's executives have decided to take a look and decide whether to order additional segments, something considered unlikely.

This follows Fox's decision Friday to cut the order for midseason comedy "The Return of Jezebel James" from 13 to 7. (HR 10/15) Both series hail from Regency TV.

"Amsterdam" stars Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as an immortal New York City police detective. The pilot of the series was directed by Lasse Hallstrom.

[Kamakzie]

I love it how the commercial says "Hit new drama" even though the show is basically DOA.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I love it how the commercial says "Hit new drama" even though the show is basically DOA.
But it IS a hit (in the high ratings sense of the word), and if the ratings continue you can bet your sweet bippy it'll be back.

[Kamakzie]

But it IS a hit (in the high ratings sense of the word), and if the ratings continue you can bet your sweet bippy it'll be back.

Oh really... I wouldn't mind seeing it back.

[TIVO_GUY_HERE]

But it IS a hit (in the high ratings sense of the word), and if the ratings continue you can bet your sweet bippy it'll be back.

Ya both episodes following American Idol. Wilford Brimley could read the phone book in that timeslot and it would be a hit.

Real test comes monday in its regular timeslot.

[AJRitz]

The second episode was in improvement over the first. But if my usual drama shows were showing new episodes right now (Criminal Minds, L&O: Criminal Intent, Journeyman :mad: , etc.) I probably wouldn't be watching New Amsterdam.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Ya both episodes following American Idol. Wilford Brimley could read the phone book in that timeslot and it would be a hit.
Well, TV history is littered with the corpses of shows that died in "can't miss" time-slots. But you're right, the real test will be how it performs on Mondays.

[Cindy1230]

I liked the second episode better. There are still a few kinks that need to be worked out. Don't really like his partner.

And since there is no spoilers in the title of the thread.

I didn't see it coming that Omar was his son. And you saw his daughter. I thought it was a cool element.

[scandia101]

I liked the second episode better. There are still a few kinks that need to be worked out. Don't really like his partner.

And since there is no spoilers in the title of the thread.

I didn't see it coming that Omar was his son. And you saw his daughter. I thought it was a cool element.

At least somebody knows what a spoiler is.

[Jonathan_S]

It wasn't being dropped in the middle that bugged me, it was the fact that people won't take him seriously if he keeps saying weird things like "I was at a speak easy," etc.Technically he didn't (quite) say that.

He said he knew it used to be a speak easy, back during prohibition. And when asked how he knew that he said because he used to drink there.

That could be interpreted (by someone who assumes he wasn't drinking in the '20s) as he used to drink at this club and because of that he was aware of its history as a speak easy.

But that 15,000 days sober, and 609 girlfriends were a bit less subtle :D

[Havana Brown]

But that 15,000 days sober, and 609 girlfriends were a bit less subtle :D

And did he call his dog 29? Would that be 29 dogs he's been through? We liked the show and are keeping our SP.

[Bierboy]

And did he call his dog 29? Would that be 29 dogs he's been through? We liked the show and are keeping our SP.
That's what I thought....it meant how many dogs he's had.

[JLucPicard]

The dog was named 36, but I'm sure the reason behind it is dead on.

I never watched any of the "vampire" genre shows, or Highlander, the Series for that matter, so I can enjoy this on it's own, which I am at least after the pilot.

The not-so-subtle "I've been here" kind of references don't really bother me that much, and I am much more likely to look past them in the pilot - there's a lot of things done in pilots to set the tone that they throttle back on later. I'll certainly be recording and watching for now.

[Havana Brown]

The dog was named 36, but I'm sure the reason behind it is dead on.


He may be on 36 now, but I think the part where I heard him refer to him by name was probably in a flashback.

[TAsunder]

The acting in episode 1 was quite bad. After a while I googled the lead actor and found out that he's danish or something. So I think he might be an ok actor with a weird accent that he's trying too hard to cover up. And it's not working... after living on manhattan for over 400 years he shouldn't still have a dutch/danish accent.

The acting improved quite a bit in the second episode, but still the show is just tolerable at best for me. Not anywhere near as good as Terminator

[danterner]

That's what I thought....it meant how many dogs he's had.

The dog was named 36, but I'm sure the reason behind it is dead on.


He may be on 36 now, but I think the part where I heard him refer to him by name was probably in a flashback.

That's right. He referred to his present-day dog as 36. Then, near the end of the episode, in a flashback, he called his flashback-dog 29. The implication being he has had many many canine companions.

[Rob Helmerichs]

But that 15,000 days sober, and 609 girlfriends were a bit less subtle :D
Then again, Wilt Chamberlain or Gene Simmons would say "What are you, some kind of priest? 39 years old and only 609 girlfriends?!?" :D

[Bierboy]

That's right. He referred to his present-day dog as 36. Then, near the end of the episode, in a flashback, he called his flashback-dog 29. The implication being he has had many many canine companions.
That's how I deduced what the numbers meant and -- I figured he just "numbered" the dogs rather than "naming" them.

[WinBear]

Didn't Omar criticize him for numbering his dogs?

[SoldOnTiVo]

Then again, Wilt Chamberlain or Gene Simmons would say "What are you, some kind of priest? 39 years old and only 609 girlfriends?!?" :D

I love those references. He's basically always telling the truth, but comes off as just being weird. :)

So far, I like what I'm seeing.

[AJRitz]

Third episode was the best yet. It's moving in the right direction. I'll keep watching.

[Sadara]

ARG, I missed the third episode!!

[Sadara]

Phew, Fox has the full episodes on their web site.... :)

[jlb]

Hey.................where's the thread for last night's episode? I may have to go start it myself.....

[Havana Brown]

Hey.................where's the thread for last night's episode? I may have to go start it myself.....

Go ahead. I haven't watched it yet, so I'll join you tomorrow.