Lost 1/30 thru the looking glass - (again)

[betts4]

So they showed last seasons last episode.

A two hour special with pop ups thru out.

Pop ups to tell us what is happening and to who and why and all the triangles and quadrangle.

It was both annoying and amusing. Sort of like being in a chat room with the show playing in the backround. Or watching it with a bunch of Lost fans.

Can't wait till thursday!:)

[sushikitten]

I should probably have watched it (I wonder if tivo caught it). I forget what's going on, although the 8-minute recap is good.

[Mabes]

This is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. It's like watching Previously on Lost for Dummies. Certainly there is a need for a recap but we're not 5 years old.

[unicorngoddess]

My Tivo caught it and it said it was new (2008)

It was like watching one of those pop up videos.

[rhuntington3]

I watched this on DVD last week. I think my Tivo picked it up so I just delete it.

[Philly Bill]

I saved it from last season.... just to watch before this season. But tonight after tonights (with the popups) recorded I deleted last seasons. I like the popup things. Like watching those music videos... sometimes I read stuff I didn't know.

Kinda cool way to get new viewers up to speed... and I'm sure there will be MANY since most shows have nothing on but reruns.

[Bryanmc]

Kinda cool way to get new viewers up to speed....

Yep, it was great for my wife who didn't watch most of last season.

[Magister]

I have a nice 22in LCD connected to my Vista computer that I watch HD TV on. First time I have seen an HD episode of Lost. Noticed 2 things.

1. Ben was wearing contacts. It is noticible when (spoiler just in case)

Ben talking to Mikail and saying sorry he lied to Mikail.

2. has to be spoiler too.

The grenade has a hole in the bottom, just like the deactivated ones you can buy at Army Surplus stores. Never noticed before. I would have thought they woudl at least fill the bottom to look real. HD changes a lot of things

Glad Lost is back...

[GDG76]

Either I missed it or they skiiped the part where a name (amongst other things) was visible in the article last year.

They did mention "a theory" that was based on what was seen though... weird...

[DevdogAZ]

We watched. My wife couldn't stand the pop-ups. I thought they were a little over the top, but I guess for those who have never seen the show before, it was a decent way to get them interested and up-to-speed.

[balboa dave]

It's been 8 months since the last time this episode aired, so I enjoyed all the refresher details the pop-ups gave. Some of them were quite funny, and others pointed out references I never picked up and no one had mentioned in any of the episode threads here either. The only serious misstep was in the beginning when they mentioned that Jack on the airplane was a flash forward. That was one of this episodes great secrets, and that fact wasn't revealed until the end of the episode. I thought it odd, since the gist of the pop-ups was to reveal previous episodes' information, while keeping pace with this one.

[spikedavis]

It's been 8 months since the last time this episode aired, so I enjoyed all the refresher details the pop-ups gave. Some of them were quite funny, and others pointed out references I never picked up and no one had mentioned in any of the episode threads here either. The only serious misstep was in the beginning when they mentioned that Jack on the airplane was a flash forward. That was one of this episodes great secrets, and that fact wasn't revealed until the end of the episode. I thought it odd, since the gist of the pop-ups was to reveal previous episodes' information, while keeping pace with this one.

My thought exactly. There would be a way to do that...however when watching I found out the name of the funeral parlor is an anagram for flash forward. Clever.

I have to say I'm dying to find out who is in the coffin.

[JYoung]

This was my first chance to watch Lost in HD and it was great.

[bareyb]

I'm not a rabid fan of the show so I found all the pop-ups informative and I liked some of the inside info from the writer's perspective. I'm curious who is in the coffin too... I'm guessing Jack's father... Oh but wait... They said it wasn't family or a friend... Never mind. :p

[jimborst]

This was my first chance to watch Lost in HD and it was great.

Yes, since the last time Lost was on, my ABC went HD and it looked so good!

[jehma]

Is it correct that tonight is a 1 hour recap followed by the 1 hour premier? I wonder if the first hour will be worth watching.

[Steveknj]

I liked the pop up episode too, except I think it was a little oversized (but maybe if I had a smaller TV than 42" I wouldn't have thought that). I thought that this was a good way to catch us up without having to rewatch the whole season again, as they explained some things that led up to the episode. But if tonight's first episode is indeed a recap, then really the popups we kind of pointless.

I also recall not realizing it was a flash forward until the end, and they gave it away at the beginning of the popups, but, that said, it took me almost UNTIL the end of the replay last night to remember that I didn't know it was a flash forward!!

[flyers088]

Wife loved the pop-ups. Helped her refresh her memory before tonight. I hated them. As someone said it was like 'Lost for Dummies'.

[HoldenBanky]

The popups reminded me of the tone from that "Lost in 8:15" video that was on the internet.

Kind of silly in places but amusing enough to keep you reading.

This was my first episode of Lost in HD, not for lack of HD but for lack of ever watching Lost before August, and it is one of the best looking shows around, as I have read, except for the night scenes, which I have also read.

[jlb]

Yep, it was great for my wife who didn't watch most of last season.

Ditto here.

[ElJay]

The popups were crap. They seemed to be intended at the preschool viewing market. I watched five minutes, tried to recall if I had seen the episode before (which I had), and then deleted it. I'm sorry the hard drive had to put effort into recording even twenty minutes of this. Looks like ABC is doing it again tomorrow night with yet another recap episode.

[jehma]

I found it annoying at times and amusing at others. I only got to watch half of it. I would like to squeeze in the other half before tonight.

[pmyers]

I liked them and helped me get back up to speed.....although i have been compared to a preschooler before ;)

[brettatk]

Is it correct that tonight is a 1 hour recap followed by the 1 hour premier? I wonder if the first hour will be worth watching.

I just checked tv.com for an episode list:

Episode: Special LOST: Past, Present & Future 1/31/2008
Episode: 72 The Beginning of the End 1/31/2008


So it appears to be true. Hopefully it will contain something worth watching.

[Mike Farrington]

That was so damn annoying. My wife and I were psyched up for Lost's return and couldn't wait to watch Through The Looking Glass to reacquaint ourselves. This would have been the first Lost episode we watched in HD. We let it buffer for about 40 minutes and started to watch it. Ugh. We watched a minute of it before we just threw in our DVD into the player and watched that instead.

I wish I knew about the gimmick ahead of time. We could have started watching the DVD much earlier in the evening.

[StrynBean]

I enjoyed the pop up info. It was very helpful to my BF who never watched an episode before.

I had forgotten that we do not know who is in the coffin yet!

[brettatk]

I didnt mind the popups. It actually refreshed alot of things I had forgot since the last season of Lost. I even found myself using my replay button every now and then when I wasnt paying attention to the popups. Now I'm just hoping these last (atleast for awhile) 8 episodes are good.

[brettatk]

I wish I knew about the gimmick ahead of time. We could have started watching the DVD much earlier in the evening.


That's why I periodically check out the Season Pass Alerts Forum (http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=382479) for this type of info.

[Mike Farrington]

I know this is totally off-topic, but I really wish SAP (separate audio program) had really caught on in the television world. Intended mostly for multilingual purposes, I think it would be great in this DVR era to also have a SAP with running commentary.

Too bad you must choose which audio channel gets recorded instead of all of them being recorded simultaneously. I can see the reason for the analog channels, since it is an encoder limitation.

Along the same lines, it would be neat if TiVo (the company) and the show's producers could tag both the commentary and the original program so that downloaded podcasts could be overlaid on top of the show.

That way, as long as the episode is in your Now Playing list, you can choose "Play over Episode" instead of just "Play". Conversely, in the Now Playing's "More Options" screen, it would also have "Play with Commentary".

Sure this would all be tricky to do it right, but not impossible by any stretch of the imagination.

-Mike

[astrohip]

I enjoyed the info the popups gave us, but didn't like their constant intrusion on the screen. So for a one-time gimmick, it was ok. Couldn't tolerate it long-term though.

Tonight's first episode is definitely a recap show. The 2nd hour is the new episode. One thing I did catch in this reshowing was where (when Jack is adamant about being saved and contacting the freighter) Ben says to him, "Then this is the beginning of the end". Cute twist tying that in to tonight's episode title. (Episode titles aren't spoilers, are they?)

Speaking of spoilers, Magister...I'm not sure why your catch of a defective prop (the grenade) would be a spoiler. Good catch, but not a spoiler.

Can't wait for tonight! :up:

[jeff125va]

Thanks for the info on the flash-forward spoiler. We've been watching the DVD's from the beginning starting earlier this month, and I was checking this thread to see if people thought the pop-ups contained any new or interesting information (since I definitely don't need to refresh my memory).

But since my son is watching for the first time and won't know it's a flash-forward, I can just delete this and we'll watch it on the DVD. It doesn't sound like there's any worthwhile information anyway, especially for someone who's seen them all multiple times, or even just once but all in the last month.

[Magister]

Speaking of spoilers, Magister...I'm not sure why your catch of a defective prop (the grenade) would be a spoiler. Good catch, but not a spoiler.


The catch wasn't the spoiler part, the spoiler was the prop being used.

[gchance]

Speaking of spoilers, Magister...I'm not sure why your catch of a defective prop (the grenade) would be a spoiler. Good catch, but not a spoiler.

How do you know the grenade isn't a spoiler? It could just be a poorly constructed prop, but it could also be something else. That's the thing with Lost. :)

A good question to ask, from the Mobisodes: How do you know it was Locke who blew up the boat?

Greg

[barbeedoll]

My thought exactly. There would be a way to do that...however when watching I found out the name of the funeral parlor is an anagram for flash forward. Clever.

I have to say I'm dying to find out who is in the coffin.
My guess is that it is Ben. He's neither a friend nor family, but his death would certainly cause an emotional reaction in those who were on the island.

Barbeedoll

[AJRitz]

Ugh. I'd hoped to watch this to get back in the Lost mood, but I couldn't do it. The popups were almost as annoying as web-advertising popups. I had to stop watching about ten minutes in and just delete the episode.

[DevdogAZ]

From the sound of it, the pop-ups had their intended effect, which was to help reacquaint people with the series, or bring in new viewers. For those who are intimately familiar with the show, of course the pop-ups were annoying for you, but you really weren't the target demographic for this episode. If the overall effect is more viewers (better ratings) for the new episodes, I think it was worth one annoying rerun, don't you?

[jeff125va]

How do you know the grenade isn't a spoiler? It could just be a poorly constructed prop, but it could also be something else. That's the thing with Lost. :)

A good question to ask, from the Mobisodes: How do you know it was Locke who blew up the boat?

Greg
I think the point is that something that happened during the episode is by definition NOT a spoiler. Whether it was supposed to be defective or not is irrelevant.

[gchance]

From the sound of it, the pop-ups had their intended effect, which was to help reacquaint people with the series, or bring in new viewers. For those who are intimately familiar with the show, of course the pop-ups were annoying for you, but you really weren't the target demographic for this episode. If the overall effect is more viewers (better ratings) for the new episodes, I think it was worth one annoying rerun, don't you?

I don't see how it could benefit a new viewer. If you were unfamiliar with Lost, you'd be too busy reading to pay attention to the action onscreen, so you'd STILL have missed something when it came time to watch the new episodes.

Greg

[Solver]

Jack's dad is in the coffin.

(Not a spoiler, just a guess)

[Bierboy]

I don't see how it could benefit a new viewer. If you were unfamiliar with Lost, you'd be too busy reading to pay attention to the action onscreen, so you'd STILL have missed something when it came time to watch the new episodes.

Greg

And, for those of us who used closed captioning, it was even MORE of an effort to keep up with those, the popups AND what was going on!

[jkeegan]

Jack's dad is in the coffin.

(Not a spoiler, just a guess)"Are you friend of family?"
(pause)
"Neither"

[latrobe7]

From the sound of it, the pop-ups had their intended effect, which was to help reacquaint people with the series, or bring in new viewers. For those who are intimately familiar with the show, of course the pop-ups were annoying for you, but you really weren't the target demographic for this episode. If the overall effect is more viewers (better ratings) for the new episodes, I think it was worth one annoying rerun, don't you?

I agree that the rabid fans weren't the target; but I don't think all of us found the pop-ups annoying. I didn't, and I still have "Through the Looking Glass" saved on my TiVo from the finale last season, and I've watched it several times since then. I wasn't distracted by the pop-ups because I've seen what's going on several times now.

I also did not think it was "Lost for Dummies". I remember finding several interesting tidbits that I hadn't seen mentioned before here, or in other Lost discussions around the Web, and I check out several. A couple that jump to mind are the 'mirror-opposite' motif running through the episode, whether it's Jack off the Island reflecting the opposite of Jack on the Island; or Jack being the mirror opposite of Locke, and vice-versa. And though the general 'Jack vs. Locke' motif has been well discussed, I had not noticed that both Jack and Locke are just about to commit suicide before something else gets their attention.

[pmyers]

I liked the "Slackers" vs "Skaters" line. Did I remember that right?

[brettatk]

I liked the "Slackers" vs "Skaters" line. Did I remember that right?


I think it was "Jaters" or "Skaters". I have to admit I never knew this before last night. This proves this episode really wasnt for the die hard Lost fan who goes online to learn everything they can about each episode but for the common viewer. I really like Lost but I'm not going to spend any extra time by going to a "Lost" website to read about the current episode. The popups pointed these things out so the common watcher would know it. Just like the Anagram of the funeral parlor. Nobody except those die hard fans would have already known that.

[betts4]

My guess is that it is Ben. He's neither a friend nor family, but his death would certainly cause an emotional reaction in those who were on the island.

Barbeedoll

Where the viewing was located - the part of the city - makes me think it could have been Ben. He had no friends or family on the 'mainland'.

[orome]

I was hoping for really trivial popups, VH1 style, like when Jack was on the bridge, we'd see something like X people committed suicide on the Golden Gate Bridge last year. :D

[pmyers]

I think it was "Jaters" or "Skaters". I have to admit I never knew this before last night.

That makes more sense:
Jaters= Jack and Kate
Skaters= Sawyer and Kate

[Steveknj]

Where the viewing was located - the part of the city - makes me think it could have been Ben. He had no friends or family on the 'mainland'.

That's what I was thinking. I'm also beginning to believe (just a theory, not a spoiler) that the only 2 people alive from the Losties are Jack and Kate. Perhaps Ben was the 3rd

[bareyb]

Jack's dad is in the coffin.

(Not a spoiler, just a guess)

I'm curious who is in the coffin too... I'm guessing Jack's father... Oh but wait... They said it wasn't family or a friend... Never mind. :p

;)

[Sirius Black]

I'm glad I decided to skip the finale last night. It will give me something to watch during the first run of the show tonight. This way I can watch tonight and not have commercials.

Still no word on whether the recap will be worth watching...?

[jehma]

I'm glad I decided to skip the finale last night. It will give me something to watch during the first run of the show tonight. This way I can watch tonight and not have commercials.

Still no word on whether the recap will be worth watching...?

I'm going to skip the recap. I don't think I'm going to be able to wait until tomorrow to watch the new episode and I don't have time for both tonight.

Then I'll come here tomorrow and see whether or not you guys think it's worth watching :)

BTW - I set up tomorrow's ep on *4* DVRs, just in case, lol.

[pmyers]

That's what I was thinking. I'm also beginning to believe (just a theory, not a spoiler) that the only 2 people alive from the Losties are Jack and Kate. Perhaps Ben was the 3rd

Although when Kate meets Jack she mentions "I have to get back. He'll be wondering where I am"......I assume she's talking about Sawyer.

[jehma]

Although when Kate meets Jack she mentions "I have to get back. He'll be wondering where I am"......I assume she's talking about Sawyer.

A friend has a theory that she's talking about her child, not a man.

[DevdogAZ]

Well, there were many theories in the original thread for this episode about who Kate was talking about, who was in the coffin, etc.

If Jack and Kate (and Ben) were the only island survivors, why would Jack be trying to get back to the island? What would he be hoping to accomplish by going back if he knew that everyone was dead?

[avery]

A friend has a theory that she's talking about her child, not a man.
I lean in the same direction as your friend. It doesn't feel "Lost-mode" enough for it to be Sawyer.

[jkeegan]

See, one of the things that the episode last night pointed out was that we not only should wonder who was in the coffin, but why Jack was so upset about someone that he neither considered family nor friend.. (I believe we touched on that a bit in last season's episode thread, but maybe not enough).

What if the reason he's sad about the death is because it was a death at all? In other words, maybe he came to realize that everyone on the island is basically immortal while there, and now that he pulled people away, he suspected they'd all get sick and die eventually.. He sees this person has died, and that confirms that he indeed did screw over everyone that he convinced to leave the island, by robbing them of immortality (or to put it a different way, by sending them all to their deaths).

Actually that would then fit completely with what Ben was saying.. Ben said that he'd made a decision that basically killed 40 people, and that Jack was about to do the same thing.. by leading anyone to an exit off of the island, he's leading them to death..

I'm guessing it's Michael. He doesn't care that Michael is dead, he just cares that people who had been on the island can now die - so he realizes he (and Kate, and whomever else got away.. sister Claire? turnip head?) will all now die.

The hope of immortality could cause someone to "not care about the other people on the plane" and make one "wish that the plane crashed"...

[Steveknj]

Well, there were many theories in the original thread for this episode about who Kate was talking about, who was in the coffin, etc.

If Jack and Kate (and Ben) were the only island survivors, why would Jack be trying to get back to the island? What would he be hoping to accomplish by going back if he knew that everyone was dead?


Perhaps Jack, Kate (and Ben) were the only survivors who LEFT the island, and there are others who decided to stay (Locke and perhaps Hurley are obvious examples).

I didn't necessarily assume that Kate was talking about Sawyer, that it could have been her child, or some other unknown (at this time) male.

[Steveknj]

See, one of the things that the episode last night pointed out was that we not only should wonder who was in the coffin, but why Jack was so upset about someone that he neither considered family nor friend.. (I believe we touched on that a bit in last season's episode thread, but maybe not enough).

What if the reason he's sad about the death is because it was a death at all? In other words, maybe he came to realize that everyone on the island is basically immortal while there, and now that he pulled people away, he suspected they'd all get sick and die eventually.. He sees this person has died, and that confirms that he indeed did screw over everyone that he convinced to leave the island, by robbing them of immortality (or to put it a different way, by sending them all to their deaths).

Actually that would then fit completely with what Ben was saying.. Ben said that he'd made a decision that basically killed 40 people, and that Jack was about to do the same thing.. by leading anyone to an exit off of the island, he's leading them to death..

I'm guessing it's Michael. He doesn't care that Michael is dead, he just cares that people who had been on the island can now die - so he realizes he (and Kate, and whomever else got away.. sister Claire? turnip head?) will all now die.

The hope of immortality could cause someone to "not care about the other people on the plane" and make one "wish that the plane crashed"...

Great points. Although it hasn't been established that the island makes you immortal, this could be something that might be established as the series goes forward. Obviously there IS death, but it is not natural death except to pregnant women. Still lots to be explained :)

[jkeegan]

You know, after rewatching Season 3 I remembered more the whole flashback where Kate had a husband.. She told the Marshall who was chasing her that she really loved him and wanted to be left alone, etc.. She only left because she knew she had to run someday.. now that Fed is dead..

I'd say that if she got off the island, and Jack wasn't with her, the FIRST person she'd look up was her husband.. I think it's him. (the actor was the guy from Firefly)

At least in Through the Looking Glass, Sawyer ended up with Juliette and Hurley (and Sayid and Bernard and Jin) on the beach.. Maybe the two groups don't hook up for some reason when the "rescue" happens, and Sawyer is kept on the island somehow.

[jkeegan]

Great points. Although it hasn't been established that the island makes you immortal, this could be something that might be established as the series goes forward. Obviously there IS death, but it is not natural death except to pregnant women. Still lots to be explained :)Ehhh, it kind of has.. Remember, Ben met Richard when he was a kid, and Richard looked exactly the same age as he does now.. In that same episode (not in a flashback), Ben tells Richard that it's his birthday, and follows it up with "You do remember birthdays, don't you?".. That says to me that the "Others"/hostiles that weren't a part of Dharma have been alive for a very, very long time.

[thenightfly42]

Do we know who wrote the popups? Was it the actual staff writers, or people less involved with the show?

I had a hard time reading the popups. With all the "watch this show next" popups that are on other shows, I've conditioned myself to ignore any graphic that pops up at the bottom of the screen. :D

One thing I did notice -- there were absolutely no popups on the final scene with Kate and Jack by the airport. I found that omission interesting.

[Steve_Martin]

I'm not a rabid fan of the show so I found all the pop-ups informative and I liked some of the inside info from the writer's perspective. I'm curious who is in the coffin too... I'm guessing Jack's father... Oh but wait... They said it wasn't family or a friend... Never mind. :p

My guess is that it is Ben. He's neither a friend nor family, but his death would certainly cause an emotional reaction in those who were on the island.

Barbeedoll

"Are you friend of family?"
(pause)
"Neither"


I heard that word as "either".

[cwoody222]

Still no word on whether the recap will be worth watching...?

They've done these recaps before. I've never found them at all worthwhile.

Plus, they usually just re-purpose the last recap show and sprinkle in 10 minutes or so of what's happened since the last recap show aired.

[jkeegan]

I heard that word as "either".Nope, neither. Even though I knew for a fact it was neither from the 3 times I'd previously seen it, I just quadruple checked by watching the scene on ABC's viewer (which meant I had to watch 3 Sprint commercials just to find the clip). Neither.

(aside from that, either wouldn't make much sense to say)

[jlb]

I could see it being Ben in the coffin. That Ben was possibly the only person that may actually be able to help get Jack "back" would make those feelings even stronger.

Regarding the question somewhere above about why would Jack want to go back if everyone else was already dead.....Don't forget we have some temporal anomolies. There's the theory about time travel or whatnot (i.e., Desmond, is he seeing flashes or actualy travelling back and forth in time), etc......

So, given that Jack may have an understanding of this, maybe by "getting back to the Island", Jack can get back to the Island at a time before eveyone "attempted" to get off the Island.

But if he did that, wouldn't we have a time paradox where he would see himself and have the BTTF effect? Though being what it is, they could write this anyway they want.


I do have a growing sadness with Lost, though. At some point, the "journey" will be over and these characters will no long live (in the form of new epsiodes). It was like that for me with the "finale" of Journeyman. I was sad to see it go, but it was so very touching to have Dan's wife see him travel at the very end. That was a special moment. I hope that in addition to all of the answers we hope for, that we have one of those rare bittersweet exits (like Journeyman....and M.A.S.H. too).

[latrobe7]

See, one of the things that the episode last night pointed out was that we not only should wonder who was in the coffin, but why Jack was so upset about someone that he neither considered family nor friend.. (I believe we touched on that a bit in last season's episode thread, but maybe not enough).

What if the reason he's sad about the death is because it was a death at all? In other words, maybe he came to realize that everyone on the island is basically immortal while there, and now that he pulled people away, he suspected they'd all get sick and die eventually.. He sees this person has died, and that confirms that he indeed did screw over everyone that he convinced to leave the island, by robbing them of immortality (or to put it a different way, by sending them all to their deaths).

Actually that would then fit completely with what Ben was saying.. Ben said that he'd made a decision that basically killed 40 people, and that Jack was about to do the same thing.. by leading anyone to an exit off of the island, he's leading them to death..
Yeah, maybe, but I don't buy it really. There's no guarantee that someone would choose immortality; given the choice of spending eternity on a tropical island without your family and friends or go back to civilization and live a normal life, I know I would choose civilization. And it's not 'real' immortality anyway. Apparently not everyone gets the recuperative powers of John Locke or Mikhail; who can say that whoever is in the coffin wouldn't have gotten bit by a poison spider or body-slammed by the smoke-monster anyway? So, I still don't think Jacks reaction makes sense...

[Markman07]

The new "shortened" season..... BRING IT!

[JYoung]

Yeah, maybe, but I don't buy it really. There's no guarantee that someone would choose immortality; given the choice of spending eternity on a tropical island without your family and friends or go back to civilization and live a normal life, I know I would choose civilization. And it's not 'real' immortality anyway. Apparently not everyone gets the recuperative powers of John Locke or Mikhail; who can say that whoever is in the coffin wouldn't have gotten bit by a poison spider or body-slammed by the smoke-monster anyway? So, I still don't think Jacks reaction makes sense...

BTW, one thing that I learned watching Mythbusters that if Mikhail set off a grenade that close to himself while in the water, his lungs should be toast.

[MacThor]

The only pop-up that gave me new info was that the surgeon that operated (off-screen) in the flash-forward had the same last name as Bernard (and possibly Rose?).

[balboa dave]

BTW, one thing that I learned watching Mythbusters that if Mikhail set off a grenade that close to himself while in the water, his lungs should be toast.Who's to say they're not? He's already survived being stabbed, shot, and speared. He doesn't seem to be very killable.

[balboa dave]

The only pop-up that gave me new info was that the surgeon that operated (off-screen) in the flash-forward had the same last name as Bernard (and possibly Rose?).We've always known the names of the some of the characters have meaning connected to the philosopher or author they're named after, but thanks to the pop-ups, I now know that Pascal Flats has meaning too.

[stellie93]

I was disappointed when future Jack told the doctor to get his father and see who's drunker, that there was no pop-up. At least I expected them to ask the question--is Jack just that wasted or what? At first the pop-ups were annoying, but then I got used to them. Since I just watched the ep a few weeks ago, they made it more interesting. They sounded like the producers to me, but they wouldn't be allowed to write new stuff would they? Unless they wrote them before the strike.

[rondotcom]

A friend has a theory that she's talking about her child, not a man.

My guess is Vincent

[cwoody222]

I'm watching it now. The popups are pretty annoying. Do we need to have things like "Sweet ride, Hurley"? I don't think so. But whatever, it's just one experiment of an episode.

[sushikitten]

I found myself having to rewind to read the popups, because I started watching the show. Some of the popups were good reminders, but other things were just stupid - like personal commentary instead of just facts.

[Philly Bill]

BTW - I set up tomorrow's ep on *4* DVRs, just in case, lol.

I should have set it up for OTA too. :( I'm at work and its raining out. Damit.

Also, hopefully the nitwits in Memphis that run ALL the TV stations will not ruin it. Everytime it rains they interrupt whatever is on TV.... even prime time... to 'go to the weather desk'.... like the weather runs our lives. EVERY station. It's rediculous. :mad:

[Solver]

"Are you friend of family?"
(pause)
"Neither"

In the funeral palor, I heard Jack asked, "Friend or family?" Jack struggles for an answer which is finally, "Either."

[dianebrat]

My guess is Vincent

ohhh I like it.. I liiiiike it!
(after all, Vincenthas had his flashback now, in a mobisode...)

[mattack]

I only skimmed the thread, and I admit I watched it on my non-Tivo at 1.5x with sound (since it was a rerun)... but I enjoyed it.

I thought that some of the comments were VERY funny, like when they mention something that just showed up on the screen, or a funny comment on a scene transition.

[gchance]

I only skimmed the thread, and I admit I watched it on my non-Tivo at 1.5x with sound (since it was a rerun)... but I enjoyed it.

I thought that some of the comments were VERY funny, like when they mention something that just showed up on the screen, or a funny comment on a scene transition.

You, too? I tried watching it at regular speed but couldn't get through, so I FF'ed one notch. I got through it in like an hour and saw all the messages.

My favorite was Locke in the hole with the dead bodies.

Greg

[Bierboy]

In the funeral palor, I heard Jack asked, "Friend or family?" Jack struggles for an answer which is finally, "Either."

CC said "neither", and someone else repeated what Jack said stating "neither".

[super dave]

I heard that word as "either".

Funny, I heard "gaunt".


:)

[jr461]

Obviously done to garner new viewers as there is very little in the way of new scripted shows on right now. And since Lost hasn't been on in many months it was a good refresher.

I like how it was done, with whimsical comments thrown in, and I picked up a couple of tidbits along the way (like how the blast made the island visible to outsiders momentarily).

[Bierboy]

Actually, I much preferred watching this to the recap before last night's season premiere.

[thenightfly42]

I heard that word as "either".
Although it sounded like "either" to me as well, the pop-ups made it clear that it was "neither". The pop-up said something like "Why is he so upset for someone who is neither friend nor family?"

[bdlucas]

Just getting around to watching this, and I like the popups, as a refresher. It's been so long since the last episode.

[barbeedoll]

See, one of the things that the episode last night pointed out was that we not only should wonder who was in the coffin, but why Jack was so upset about someone that he neither considered family nor friend.. (I believe we touched on that a bit in last season's episode thread, but maybe not enough).

What if the reason he's sad about the death is because it was a death at all? In other words, maybe he came to realize that everyone on the island is basically immortal while there, and now that he pulled people away, he suspected they'd all get sick and die eventually.. He sees this person has died, and that confirms that he indeed did screw over everyone that he convinced to leave the island, by robbing them of immortality (or to put it a different way, by sending them all to their deaths).

Actually that would then fit completely with what Ben was saying.. Ben said that he'd made a decision that basically killed 40 people, and that Jack was about to do the same thing.. by leading anyone to an exit off of the island, he's leading them to death..

I'm guessing it's Michael. He doesn't care that Michael is dead, he just cares that people who had been on the island can now die - so he realizes he (and Kate, and whomever else got away.. sister Claire? turnip head?) will all now die.

The hope of immortality could cause someone to "not care about the other people on the plane" and make one "wish that the plane crashed"...
Hmmm. Good thought that I hadn't put together. When Ben said, "If you do this, everyone on this island will die." I assumed that the "rescuers" would kill them.

But I like your idea that he means once they return home they are mortal again.

Barbeedoll

[Steve_Martin]

Although it sounded like "either" to me as well, the pop-ups made it clear that it was "neither". The pop-up said something like "Why is he so upset for someone who is neither friend nor family?"

Ahhh, I was watching the DVD, so didn't have the benefit of the popup.

Funny, I heard "gaunt".


:)


:D

[DevdogAZ]

Who's to say they're not? He's already survived being stabbed, shot, and speared. He doesn't seem to be very killable.
Don't forget that he survived being killed by the sonic fence too.
Funny, I heard "gaunt".


:)
"There were no" survivors.

[Vito the TiVo]

"There were no" survivors.

But now we know that there were no survivors - through Naomi's story. I think this may be an indication that they originally intended to begin that aspect of the story back with Boone and decided that it was moving too fast and retconned (remember the different voice recording) through the fact that it was hard to hear to be a cute moment with the Tailies instead of the beginning of the current aspect of the storyline.

[DevdogAZ]

But now we know that there were no survivors - through Naomi's story. I think this may be an indication that they originally intended to begin that aspect of the story back with Boone and decided that it was moving too fast and retconned (remember the different voice recording) through the fact that it was hard to hear to be a cute moment with the Tailies instead of the beginning of the current aspect of the storyline.
Very possible.

[vman]

One thing I noticed in watching this again, which goes along with something in the webisodes (spoilered since some info comes from outside the aired broadcast of the show):

In the episode, when Walt appears to Locke, he says that Locke needs to get up because "you have work to do." In the webisode, Christian tells Vincent to go wake up Jack because "he has work to do." Seems like the island is using these visions of people to do its work (but not sure why it would appear as Christian to a dog...).