Tivo's profitable?

[idmakeit]

i've heard the first profitble year of Tivo was the 2nd quarter of 2005. it's a long way from the first lauching in 1999.

My concern is that Tivo's profit's been going down from 2006, isn't it?
Then, is it a sign that Tivo has reached the ceiling of its growth potential??

if so, ther's only way to go down...

too sad..

is there anybody that knows the product life cycle of Tivo?

hope it has still colossal consumers to break through.:rolleyes:

[ah30k]

i've heard the first profitble year of Tivo was the 2nd quarter of 2005. :confused:

[pdhenry]

There aren't currently profitable. I don't know if they have been.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=TIVO

[fallingwater]

TiVo has achieved one barely profitable quarter:

http://investor.tivo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=172095

[cwerdna]

TiVo has achieved one barely profitable quarter:

http://investor.tivo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=172095
They also had another more profitable quarter.

http://investor.tivo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=246452

IIRC, there weren't any others.

[MickeS]

I too put my trust in the colossal consumers.

[netsurfer]

My concern is that Tivo's profit's been going down from 2006, isn't it? Then, is it a sign that Tivo has reached the ceiling of its growth potential?

Other companies are infringing on Tivo's patents. The Court already ordered Echostar (Dish network) to shut down their infringing DVR's. The appeal should be over by April.

Many articles say that Tivo has about a 75 to 90 percent chance of also winning the appeal. After that, many companies that are infringing on Tivo's patent will suffer the same fate. At which time Tivo's earnings will be like those of a monopoly. Read HUGE

Shut all the thieves down = HUGE rise in profits..

[reh523]

Other companies are infringing on Tivo's patents. The Court already ordered Echostar (Dish network) to shut down their infringing DVR's. The appeal should be over by April.

Many articles say that Tivo has about a 75 to 90 percent chance of also winning the appeal. After that, many companies that are infringing on Tivo's patent will suffer the same fate. At which time Tivo's earnings will be like those of a manopoly. Read HUGE

Shut all the thieves down = HUGE rise in profits..

manopoly :eek: WTF did you mean monopoly?

Don't get me wrong it is a great product, I am not sure I would invest 1 thousand dollars in it though.

[netsurfer]

manopoly :eek: WTF did you mean monopoly?

Don't get me wrong it is a great product, I am not sure I would invest 1 thousand dollars in it though.

Tivo owns the time warp patent. This patent is for watching a recording while recording other programs. It expires in 2028.

Court Injunctions to shut down Echostar DVR's will set a precedent and make it easy for Tivo to go after the other patent infringer's. Once the thieves are out of the DVR business Tivo will thrive. A DVR without time warp is not worth owning. Tivo becomes a monopoly.

[bicker]

http://investor.tivo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=172095
http://investor.tivo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=246452The quarter in 2005 was considered "break-even" not profitable.

[RoyK]

Tivo owns the time warp patent. This patent is for watching a recording while recording other programs. It expires in 2028.

Court Injunctions to shut down Echostar DVR's will set a precedent and make it easy for Tivo to go after the other patent infringer's. Once the thieves are out of the DVR business Tivo will thrive. A DVR without time warp is not worth owning. Tivo becomes a monopoly.

Here's netsurfer/Bobneth/George Washington again trolling. Why he hasn't been banned (again) for multiple registrations is beyond me.

[BlackBetty]

Tivo owns the time warp patent. This patent is for watching a recording while recording other programs. It expires in 2028.

at least get your facts straight. The patent expires in 2018.

[GoHokies!]

Here's netsurfer/Bobneth/George Washington again trolling. Why he hasn't been banned (again) for multiple registrations is beyond me.+1

Just so the OP and others aren't confused, Tivo's patent is not for the act of watching a recording and recording another at the same time as Bob/George/netsurfer keeps on claiming. The patent is for the specific hardware and software configuration that makes this possible.

That's why Tivo was such a revolutionary breakthrough product 9 years ago (finding the right hardware to do that at an affordable price point). Now with advances in technology (and changes in how cable/OTA broadcasts happen), it's possible to make a DVR that does the same thing, but in a different way, avoiding Tivo's patent.

[bicker]

Yes, indeed. As far as we know, even winning this court case won't be enough to raise TiVo to long-term profitability.

[classicX]

manopoly :eek: WTF did you mean monopoly?

I think he meant the company will be entirely run by men. :p

[classicX]

Yes, indeed. As far as we know, even winning this court case won't be enough to raise TiVo to long-term profitability.

At the very least it would be an injection of much needed funds - hopefully TiVo uses that money to innovate and find ways to garner market share.

I believe E* is dragging it out as long as possible so that even if they do end up paying, it will be too little too late - a war of attrition, so to speak.

I sincerely hope that TiVo isn't incurring debt in anticipation of this payday.

[ZeoTiVo]

Here's netsurfer/Bobneth/George Washington again trolling. Why he hasn't been banned (again) for multiple registrations is beyond me.

I am sure this poster is Idmakeit as well. Just a yahoo stock board troll trying to find ways to spam this board. It really devalues TCF to let this continue

[fallingwater]

The patent is for the specific hardware and software configuration that makes this possible.

That's why Tivo was such a revolutionary breakthrough product 9 years ago (finding the right hardware to do that at an affordable price point). Now with advances in technology (and changes in how cable/OTA broadcasts happen), it's possible to make a DVR that does the same thing, but in a different way, avoiding Tivo's patent.

Around the time TiVo was released ReplayTV also released their DVR. Around that same time E* and MS released the Dishplayer. For a short period of time Dishplayer had only pause-and-play functionality. Soon Dishnetwork enabled DVR capabilities for a ($5?) monthly fee.

Was Dishplayer the DVR that first infringed on TiVo's patent? Did ReplayTV also theoretically infringe until a cross-licensing agreement with TiVo made the issue moot?

[Curtis]

Did ReplayTV also theoretically infringe until a cross-licensing agreement with TiVo made the issue moot?
What cross licensing agreement?

[classicX]

What cross licensing agreement?

The one that went into effect as soon as ReplayTV went out of business and TiVo couldn't hope to hit patent paydirt.

[netsurfer]

Now with advances in technology (and changes in how cable/OTA broadcasts happen), it's possible to make a DVR that does the same thing, but in a different way, avoiding Tivo's patent.

Then you know which products do not infringe on Tivo products? I seriously doubt it. List them here along with the reasons they do not infringe. Thanks.

[netsurfer]

Yes, indeed. As far as we know, even winning this court case won't be enough to raise TiVo to long-term profitability.

I disagree. Currently, Tivo is losing about 32 million per year. The Echostar appeal is scheduled to end around April. So within that time frame the most likely scenario is that Echostar will have to shut down their millions of DVR's plus pay Tivo about 150 to 200 million dollars.

Yes, the original court ordered Echostar to pay Tivo 90 million but years have passed since then because of the appeal process.

After Echostar shuts down their DVR's there will be a flood of people who lost their DVR's going out and buying Tivo's and switching to cable or OTA antenna.

After the Echostar issue is decided in Tivo's favor, then all the other patent infringers will be ready for Tivo to slaughter. Those court cases will go very fast because the precedent will have already been set.

[ZeoTiVo]

What cross licensing agreement?
:)

[netsurfer]

at least get your facts straight. The patent expires in 2018.

Whoops, my fingers were too quick on the keyboard.

[netsurfer]

I am sure this poster is Idmakeit as well.

You are dead wrong. Could not be more wrong. Seriously.

[ZeoTiVo]

Then you know which products do not infringe on Tivo products? I seriously doubt it. List them here along with the reasons they do not infringe. Thanks.


this is obviously a yahoo spammer with multiple ids

[netsurfer]

this is obviously a yahoo spammer with multiple ids

What is a Yahoo spammer?

I only have one ID. Netsurfer

[ah30k]

Then you know which products do not infringe on Tivo products? I seriously doubt it. List them here along with the reasons they do not infringe. Thanks.Burden of proof is on the accuser not the defense. You show who is infringing and why.

And, please use technical references to the patent claims not some fluffy references to "time-warp". Be technically specific to the actual patent claims.

[netsurfer]

Burden of proof is on the accuser not the defense. You show who is infringing and why.

And, please use technical references to the patent claims not some fluffy references to "time-warp". Be technically specific to the actual patent claims.

I have no burden of proof. The court already ruled that Echostar was infringing on Tivo's patent. They know far more than me. They were there for the trial.

Speculation that there is a way to make a DVR without infringing has no proof and I have noticed the poster has offered none. Just asking for some. So far, nothing.

[pdhenry]

Don't the number and availability of non-TiVo cable company DVRs indicate that it's not just the ability to record and watch simultaneously? Surely the cableco boxes aren't all licensed.

[ah30k]

The court already ruled that Echostar was infringing on Tivo's patent. They know far more than me. They were there for the trial.Yes, we all concede the Echostar infringed. Can we put that behind us?

Speculation that there is a way to make a DVR without infringing has no proof and I have noticed the poster has offered none. Just asking for some. So far, nothing.And the fact that you want proof that something can be done without infringing just proves that you are looking for a fight for no other reason than starting a fight. Did you actually ever read the patent file? Did you read the technical claims of the patent? There could be a million ways to record without violating the patent.

[greg_burns]

Speculation that there is a way to make a DVR without infringing has no proof and I have noticed the poster has offered none. Just asking for some. So far, nothing.

I thought Dish's current DVRs (ViP522/622/722) are non infringing?

[netsurfer]

Don't the number and availability of non-TiVo cable company DVRs indicate that it's not just the ability to record and watch simultaneously? Surely the cableco boxes aren't all licensed.

Just because the cable company boxes are offered to customers does not mean that they do not infringe on Tivo's patent. The way issues like these are settled is that companies like Tivo go after one infringer until they win. Then they go after all the infringers.

[ZeoTiVo]

Yes, we all concede the Echostar infringed. Can we put that behind us?.


hello everyone- this is a spam thread and the "idmakeit a netsurfer who used to be boneth till they at least banned that id because he was also george Webster" is not looking for well reasoned postings - he will just say infringing as many times as possible.

[Adam1115]

http://members.cox.net/azsoutheast/AwJeezNotThisSheetAgain1.jpg

[netsurfer]

And the fact that you want proof that something can be done without infringing just proves that you are looking for a fight for no other reason than starting a fight. There could be a million ways to record without violating the patent.

I do not understand why you would say that, it is not about fighting it is about seeing whether there is such a thing as a non-infringing product. I do not believe there is one.

A million ways? Just show me one and your case will be made.

[netsurfer]

I thought Dish's current DVRs (ViP522/622/722) are non infringing?

What makes you say that? Why are they not infringing?

[greg_burns]

What makes you say that? Why are they not infringing?

Why don't you do some research before you come here spewing this garbage?

[netsurfer]

Why don't you do some research before you come here spewing this garbage?

All I asked was why you said the units you mentioned were non-infringing and you get testy with me? It is a valid question that apparently you think you know the answer to so I asked that you tell me the answer. Sorry if that offended you.

Now that I have apologized will you answer the question?

[greg_burns]

Now that I have apologized will you answer the question?

Obviously, I do not know for certain. Only know what I've read in these threads that you start.

I concede that you are probably right, and Dish is still making new models using the Tivo's patents.

[netsurfer]

I concede that you are probably right, and Dish is still making new models using the Tivo's patents.

I have looked to see if Dish has applied for any new patents concerning their new products. I came up empty so I believe you are correct.

As I view it, Tivo is the product innovator and Dish is just a copy cat.

[ah30k]

I work for Motorola and we have whole teams of engineers that dig through TiVo trash looking for engineering to steal. My brother works for SA and they do the same.

Now that they've got Echostar, we wonder who will be next.

Can we close this thread now?

[Adam1115]

Shut all the thieves down = HUGE rise in profits..

I wouldn't call them thieves... maybe breaking the rules. It would be sort of like getting banned on this forum and continuing to sign up with new accounts in order to argue with people.....

[netsurfer]

I work for Motorola and we have whole teams of engineers that dig through TiVo trash looking for engineering to steal. My brother works for SA and they do the same.

Now that they've got Echostar, we wonder who will be next.

Can we close this thread now?

By trash do you actually mean Tivo's dumpsters or are you referring to something else?

What is SA?

Why are you in such a hurry to close the thread? Why can't people talk about Tivo?

[IHDB]

I do not understand why you would say that, it is not about fighting it is about seeing whether there is such a thing as a non-infringing product. I do not believe there is one.

A million ways? Just show me one and your case will be made.
That is without a doubt the dumbest thing that I have ever read (not surprising coming from you).

Greg got it part right - current echostar dvrs aren't included in the current court case becuase they are noninfringing.

Of course since you've spent as much time researching the court case as you have patent law and the patents in question, you wouldn't know that.

It's much easier to come here and let fly with your misinformed opinions and then sit back and watch the show. Proves your more interested in trolling than honest discussion. :down::down::down:

[netsurfer]

That is without a doubt the dumbest thing that I have ever read (not surprising coming from you).

Greg got it part right - current echostar dvrs aren't included in the current court case because they are non infringing.

Of course since you've spent as much time researching the court case as you have patent law and the patents in question, you wouldn't know that.

It's much easier to come here and let fly with your misinformed opinions and then sit back and watch the show. Proves your more interested in trolling than honest discussion. :down::down::down:

No need to insult me I assure you. As for your other assertions lets see if they hold up.

"current echostar dvrs aren't included in the current court case because they are non infringing"

I think you are making a wrong assumption. I think they are not included because they are new products and were not mentioned in the 3+ year law suit because of the very fact that they are new products.

[ZeoTiVo]

need to insult me I assure you.

:D

[netsurfer]

current echostar dvrs aren't included in the current court case becuase they are noninfringing.

I mean, the injunction to shut down the Echostar DVR's happened on August 18, 2006, more than 17 months ago. The injunction was stayed until the appeal process could be completed.

Did these new products come out before or after August 18, 2006? I say they are not included in the court case because during the court case they did not exist. Does anyone know for sure when the new products were offered? Post a link please.

[ZeoTiVo]

Does anyone know for sure when the new products were offered? Post a link please.

we could link to the thread where you spammed this ad nauseum before

[reh523]

By trash do you actually mean Tivo's dumpsters or are you referring to something else?

What is SA?

Why are you in such a hurry to close the thread? Why can't people talk about Tivo?

Founded in 1951, Scientific Atlanta has evolved into one of the leading providers of end-to-end networks used by programmers, broadcasters, and cable, telecom, wireless and satellite service providers around the world. The company is widely recognized for its expertise in video delivery, which many view as an art as much as it is a science.

Cisco acquired Scientific Atlanta in February 2006.

2 Billion in sales last year. Tivo sales 275 Million

[netsurfer]

2 Billion in sales last year. Tivo sales 275 Million

So does SA make DVR's and if so, how many dollars worth? Since I have never heard of a SA DVR I would wager ZERO.

[greg_burns]

SA 8300, never heard of that?

http://i29.tinypic.com/246lvdd.jpg

[pdhenry]

here's a link (http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/consumers/new_explorer8300.htm)Broaden your choices — Now you can record one program and change channels to watch another program at the same time. In fact, you can record two programs airing simultaneously. And while recording the two programs, you can watch a third, pre-recorded program at the same time.

[fallingwater]

What cross licensing agreement?

http://www.news.com/2100-1040-965166.html

Published: November 8, 2002

Sonicblue and TiVo announced late Friday that the two companies will dismiss their patent infringement claims against one another.

The two companies filed lawsuits against each other in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California late last year and earlier this year. Both cases were pending.

Both suits were for infringements on patents dealing with capabilities associated with digital video recorders (DVRs).

"We believe our energies are better spent expanding the market for digital video recorders (DVRs) rather than fighting each other. Both sides believe in the merits of their respective positions, but the overall success of the DVR category is what is most important to the companies at this time," the two companies said in a joint statement.

[greg_burns]

Broaden your choices — Now you can record one program and change channels to watch another program at the same time. In fact, you can record two programs airing simultaneously. And while recording the two programs, you can watch a third, pre-recorded program at the same time.


That sounds infringing.

[ZeoTiVo]

So does SA make DVR's and if so, how many dollars worth? Since I have never heard of a SA DVR I would wager ZERO.

clever - sound like you have no idea what you are talking about to throw some off your spam intentions

[Curtis]

http://www.news.com/2100-1040-965166.html

Published: November 8, 2002

Sonicblue and TiVo announced late Friday that the two companies will dismiss their patent infringement claims against one another.

There is nothing there about a cross licensing agreement.

[fallingwater]

That's true. Remember that the original post you replied to was a question, as was your reply.

Here's another link. Is Megazone's Blog just repeating an Urban Legend?

http://www.tivolovers.com/category/dvr/replaytv/

Posted Thursday, December 13th, 2007

'As one of the early developers of DVR technology, ReplayTV, like TiVo, has some fundamental patents. Years ago ReplayTV and TiVo even sued each other, and settled out of court with a cross-licensing agreement.'

[netsurfer]

SA 8300, never heard of that?

http://i29.tinypic.com/246lvdd.jpg

No, I have never seen that for sale in any Best Buy or Circuit City or any store. How do people get one?

[netsurfer]

here's a link (http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/consumers/new_explorer8300.htm)

Interesting. Looks like SA will get sued after Tivo wins the lawsuit. That will equal more settlement money for Tivo and more Tivo customers after those DVR's get shut down. Tivo is going to be huge.

[pdhenry]

Bet ya $5 they don't.

[Curtis]

That's true. Remember that the original post you replied to was a question, as was your reply.

Here's another link. Is Megazone's Blog just repeating an Urban Legend?

http://www.tivolovers.com/category/dvr/replaytv/

Posted Thursday, December 13th, 2007

'As one of the early developers of DVR technology, ReplayTV, like TiVo, has some fundamental patents. Years ago ReplayTV and TiVo even sued each other, and settled out of court with a cross-licensing agreement.'
Yes. The lawsuits were dismissed without prejudice. That means both sides were free to sue again.

[ZeoTiVo]

Yes. The lawsuits were dismissed without prejudice. That means both sides were free to sue again.

unless they signed a cross license agreement but then Replay went belly up over the seperate copyright lawsuits and TiVo just filed the agreement away without seeing a need to report it.

in other words the fact that the suits are dismissed without prejudice does not negate a cross license agreement. There is still no proof one way or the other and most likely never will be.

[fallingwater]

Yes. The lawsuits were dismissed without prejudice. That means both sides were free to sue again.

The link I originally referred to states nothing about being 'dismissed without prejudice'.
http://www.news.com/2100-1040-965166.html

Why didn't you post the source for your assertion?
http://www.out-law.com/page-3102

Zeo probably sums it up best!
'the fact that the suits are dismissed without prejudice does not negate a cross license agreement. There is still no proof one way or the other and most likely never will be.'

[Curtis]

The link I originally referred to states nothing about being 'dismissed without prejudice'.
http://www.news.com/2100-1040-965166.html

Why didn't you post the source for your assertion?
http://www.out-law.com/page-3102

Zeo probably sums it up best!
'the fact that the suits are dismissed without prejudice does not negate a cross license agreement. There is still no proof one way or the other and most likely never will be.'
I'm not the one that said there was a cross-license agreement.

[ZeoTiVo]

I'm not the one that said there was a cross-license agreement.

You have stated before there is NOT a cross license agreement yet only offer the "dismissed without prejudice" as the basis for that assertion. There is nothing to back it up, one way or the other

[GoHokies!]

No, I have never seen that for sale in any Best Buy or Circuit City or any store. How do people get one?
You're kidding, right?

Standard cable company issue. One would think that someone as "in the know" about DVRs as you would at least know who the major players are.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the court case comes out and resign ourselves to have this same conversation over and over once every other week until that happens.

Someone pass the popcorn, please? :D

[GoHokies!]

You have stated before there is NOT a cross license agreement yet only offer the "dismissed without prejudice" as the basis for that assertion. There is nothing to back it up, one way or the other I thought that you guys agreed to disagree on this one the last time we had this conversation? ;)

Your bickering is getting in the way of my Bob's enlightening posts. ;)

[ZeoTiVo]

I thought that you guys agreed to disagree on this one the last time we had this conversation? ;)

Your bickering is getting in the way of my Bob's enlightening posts. ;)


I figured I would argue something real with someone real.
My apolgies for giving this thread a real topic ;)

[fallingwater]

I'm not the one that said there was a cross-license agreement.

Neither did I; I asked tangentially:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5919675#post5919675

When replying to a followup post, posted in good faith, you then stated that the ReplayTV/TiVo patent suits were 'dismissed w/o prejudice' with no source for that statement. If you knew that much why did you ask at all instead of posting the source for what you already knew?

[netsurfer]

You're kidding, right?

Standard cable company issue. One would think that someone as "in the know" about DVRs as you would at least know who the major players are.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the court case comes out and resign ourselves to have this same conversation over and over once every other week until that happens.

Someone pass the popcorn, please? :D

Never had a DVR and cable. Just DirecTV and OTA antenna. Never heard of SA before. The DirecTivo was made by Hughes.

[ZeoTiVo]

Never had a DVR and cable. Just DirecTV and OTA antenna. Never heard of SA before. The DirecTivo was made by Hughes.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5881915#post5881915
I used to have DirecTivo for almost eight years, upgraded to 210 hours. One day I noticed that 90 out of my 92 seasons passes were on the four major networks, ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX.

Could not see any reason to not put up an antenna and buy a Series 3 High definition Tivo.

:rolleyes:

[BobCamp1]

Hey, if all he wants to record is OTA stuff, why doesn't he get Echostar's new DVR coming out later this summer! It's a lot cheaper than the HD. And it doesn't infringe on any patents like the HD does. He's the exact customer Echostar had in mind! :) :) :)

Interesting he has a D* subscription, as they have DVRs that supposedly also infringe on Tivo's patents....

(This thread has gotten way off target, although it's been entertaining. Tivo's not going to be profitable simply by protecting their intellectual portfolio -- they are not structured the right way. There are companies that do this -- they have 5 engineers and 100 lawyers, not vice versa. These companies are generally looked down upon.

Tivo's probably never going to be consistently profitable -- they have to spend too much in design and support and they can't distribute this cost to non-DVR customers like everyone else can.)

[netsurfer]

Hey, if all he wants to record is OTA stuff, why doesn't he get Echostar's new DVR coming out later this summer! It's a lot cheaper than the HD. And it doesn't infringe on any patents like the HD does. He's the exact customer Echostar had in mind! :) :) :)

Interesting he has a D* subscription, as they have DVRs that supposedly also infringe on Tivo's patents....

(This thread has gotten way off target, although it's been entertaining. Tivo's not going to be profitable simply by protecting their intellectual portfolio -- they are not structured the right way. There are companies that do this -- they have 5 engineers and 100 lawyers, not vice versa. These companies are generally looked down upon.

Tivo's probably never going to be consistently profitable -- they have to spend too much in design and support and they can't distribute this cost to non-DVR customers like everyone else can.)

Why in the world would you say that the new Echostar DVR does not infringe?

The DirecTv product was licensed through Tivo, called a DirecTivo. NON-infringing.

Once Echostar is stopped from infringing then all the other infringer's will cave in and pay Tivo or take Tivo to court and lose just like Echostar. Tivo is going to be hugely profitable once the Echostar appeal is over.

[classicX]

By trash do you actually mean Tivo's dumpsters or are you referring to something else?

What is SA?

Why are you in such a hurry to close the thread? Why can't people talk about Tivo?

Use the rest of your IQ points and realize that the post was a shining example of sarcasm.

[classicX]

Hey, if all he wants to record is OTA stuff, why doesn't he get Echostar's new DVR coming out later this summer! It's a lot cheaper than the HD.

Was a price announced?

I keep seeing people say that it's cheaper than the THD but haven't seen any prices.

[ZeoTiVo]

(This thread has gotten way off target,
since it was george Webster aka bobneth now posting as netsurfer who created the idmakeit Id to start this bogus thread intended solely to give netsurfer/bobneth/George Webster a place to pump up the TiVo stock since he is a yahoo stock board troll then it seems to be on target to me.

What is sad is that this has been allowed to continue on TCF.

[classicX]

Why in the world would you say that the new Echostar DVR does not infringe?

The DirecTv product was licensed through Tivo, called a DirecTivo. NON-infringing.

Once Echostar is stopped from infringing then all the other infringer's will cave in and pay Tivo or take Tivo to court and lose just like Echostar. Tivo is going to be hugely profitable once the Echostar appeal is over.

And then your stock will no longer be a dog?

Why do you care so much?

[netsurfer]

since it was george Webster aka bobneth now posting as netsurfer who created the idmakeit Id to start this bogus thread intended solely to give netsurfer/bobneth/George Webster a place to pump up the TiVo stock since he is a yahoo stock board troll then it seems to be on target to me.

What is sad is that this has been allowed to continue on TCF.

You know, you have a real problem. I only have one ID and that is netsurfer.

[netsurfer]

And then your stock will no longer be a dog?

Why do you care so much?

Hey, I did not start this thread. Ask the OP why he cares so much.

[netsurfer]

And then your stock will no longer be a dog?

Why do you care so much?

Tivo is awesome. I want to see them survive. For that to happen, the thieves who have not paid them any license fees have to be shut down.

[rainwater]

Wow, this truly has become the Yahoo stock board over here at TCF.

[classicX]

Hey, I did not start this thread. Ask the OP why he cares so much.

I thought I did. :p

At any rate, it seems that the OP has only 1 post and apparently doesn't come back. Perhaps his ID was banned?

[ZeoTiVo]

You know, you have a real problem. I only have one ID and that is netsurfer.

well if you do not like my problem with multiple ID posters spamming the board to pump the stock
then report me to the moderators

[netsurfer]

well if you do not like my problem with multiple ID posters spamming the board to pump the stock then report me to the moderators

Well, I see you have over 14,000 posts. Do you do anything else in life but post to this message board? If you did, then maybe you would not be so concerned about butting into the conversations of others. Not too healthy to be that addicted to this message board dude.

[ZeoTiVo]

Well, I see you have over 14,000 posts. Do you do anything else in life but post to this message board? If you did, then maybe you would not be so concerned about butting into the conversations of others. Not too healthy to be that addicted to this message board dude.

well that is a very lame response :rolleyes:

[netsurfer]

Well, I see you have over 14,000 posts. Do you do anything else in life but post to this message board? If you did, then maybe you would not be so concerned about butting into the conversations of others. Not too healthy to be that addicted to this message board dude.

Besides, here is a really bad waste of space. Go bother them.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=287234

[netsurfer]

well that is a very lame response :rolleyes:

Dude, 14,000 posts along with reading means you are wasting your life away on this board. Think about it. Break the addiction. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[classicX]

well that is a very lame response :rolleyes:

Just when it was starting to get good. :(


Anyway, what is the point of this thread again?

[bicker]

Evidently, it is a thread devoted to bashing netsurfer. >shrug<

[ZeoTiVo]

Just when it was starting to get good. :(
sorry, but while I express my views on netsurfer, I am not going to feed the Troll.

[netsurfer]

Just when it was starting to get good. Anyway, what is the point of this thread again?

Our mission, should we decide to accept it, is do do everything possible not to become like these pitiful souls.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=287234

:eek::eek::eek:

[netsurfer]

sorry, but while I express my views on netsurfer, I am not going to feed the Troll.

You seem very filled with hate. What do you mean feed the troll? Why do you hate so much? It is not good for your stress level.

[ZeoTiVo]

I am not the least bit stressed. :)
Wonderful Wife
2 kids on A honor roll, 2 kids on A/B honor roll
my oldest is already taking college level courses in 8th grade
I work from home with a snazzy multicomputer setup
sports in the evening - looking forward to a fun Superbowl party
Life is good.

[ah30k]

Dude, 14,000 posts along with reading means you are wasting your life away on this board. Think about it. Break the addiction. :D:D:D:D:D:D:DDo you realize that you have posted 29 times in this thread alone in two days? Multiplying that out over 4 years (Zeo's time here) you'd have close to 22,000 posts.

Talk about wasting time!

[netsurfer]

Work from home with a snazzy multicomputer setup

So you are working now? While you try to pick fights with me?

[netsurfer]

Do you realize that you have posted 29 times in this thread alone in two days? Multiplying that out over 4 years (Zeo's time here) you'd have close to 22,000 posts.

Talk about wasting time!

Sorry but the math does not work. Two days does not equal four years of reading tens of thousands of posts and responding to 14,000 of them.

[netsurfer]

Evidently, it is a thread devoted to bashing netsurfer. >shrug<

Evidently so.

I thought we were talking about Tivo profitability but there are some trouble makers here. One guy in particular.

[netsurfer]

Do you realize that you have posted 29 times in this thread alone in two days? Multiplying that out over 4 years (Zeo's time here) you'd have close to 22,000 posts.

Talk about wasting time!

Do you realize that you counted my posts? That is not a waste of time?

Can we please just discuss whether Tivo is going to be profitable? What is your point?

[GoHokies!]

Evidently so.

I thought we were talking about Tivo profitability but there are some trouble makers here. One guy in particular.

Yes.

You.

Never had a DVR and cable. Just DirecTV and OTA antenna. Never heard of SA before. The DirecTivo was made by Hughes.

Sorry, I just thought that someone as knowledgeable about DVRs as you would know who one of the major players in the market is.

[netsurfer]

I just thought that someone as knowledgeable about DVRs as you would know who one of the major players in the market is.

There is a "point in time" when ALL of us learn something for the first time, that is called learning. Just because you heard of SA before me it does not mean anything.

[ah30k]

Do you realize that you counted my posts? That is not a waste of time?

Can we please just discuss whether Tivo is going to be profitable? What is your point?You are the one who brought up Zeo's posting habits in as an insult to him. I just pointed out that your posting habits are not different from his other than your start date.

By the way, how long does it take you to count to 29? It does not take me long at all so it is not much of a waste of time for me. Perhaps you, though.

[ah30k]

I think we are all falling into the trap of feeding the troll. It is difficult to hold off on replying to such nonsense but i will try my hardest.

Have a good day netsurfer.

[netsurfer]

You are the one who brought up Zeo's posting habits in as an insult to him. I just pointed out that your posting habits are not different from his other than your start date

The difference is that he has spent thousands of hours here reading probably 200,000 posts to respond to 14,000 of them. That is a lot of time. Not even remotely comparable to me. Can we please stop this utter nonsense and get back to discussing Tivo profitability instead of me and some other poster?

[netsurfer]

I think we are all falling into the trap of feeding the troll. It is difficult to hold off on replying to such nonsense but i will try my hardest.

Have a good day netsurfer.

If we were talking about the thread title then we could stop talking this nonsense.

[ZeoTiVo]

notice how it was not me that brought up post counts yet somehow the post count talk is nonsense and off topic :p

[pdhenry]

Do you realize that you counted my posts? That is not a waste of time?It's not necessary to count your posts to know that you're up to 36 in this thread.

Figure out how we know...