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johnjay
12-24-2007, 05:17 PM
Comcast set me up with a Comcast Tivo a few weeks ago, and I wanted to share my experience with the product thus far. I know the Comcast Tivo just came out, but I have not read any honest reviews and I hope my thoughts will be helpful to people. (Does anybody else have this thing in their home?!?)

Before I talk about the Comcast Tivo, it needs to be known that the existing Comcast DVR is the worst consumer product I have ever used. The product freezes, resets for unknown reasons, the remote can be unresponsive for up to a minute and video can be lost at anytime. My wife and I have an agreement when it comes to the Comcast DVR freezing. The one who pressed the remote last has to take the walk of shame to the entertainment center, unplug the thing and plug it back in. The fact that Comcast even calls the thing a DVR is, in my opinion, false advertising.

With that said, the Comcast Tivo seems to truly function as a DVR. For the short time I have had the Comcast Tivo, I have not had to unplug the box and plug it back in again. And, as a result, the wife gets the remote a lot less.

The main reason I have a Comcast DVR is on demand, and to order the occasional pay per view event or movie. The Comcast Tivo deals with on demand much, much better than the Comcast DVR. The on demand shows are organized in a two column layout, making it much easier to see what is available. In the search, the on demand shows will show up with regular tv shows, a definite plus.

The Comcast Tivo does not have the silly advertisements on the main Tivo screen. Yay. I really, really hope that it stays that way.

On my Tivo HD, I do not go to the todo list very often, but I appreciate that the Comcast Tivo organizes the todo list items by day. And, they have separated the history. The Find Programs option from the main menu on the Tivo HD is a complete mess. The Comcast Tivo also has a Find Programs option, and the layout is much more intuitive. Overall, the Tivo screens feel a lot more organized.

One thing that popped out immediately, the Comcast Tivo screens are not in HD. My Comcast Tivo runs on a high end plasma hd tv and the screens look awful. On my Xbox 360, the dashboard menus are slick and razor sharp. The Comcast Tivo is a brand new product, and I think that this was a huge oversight.

The guide navigation is really, really slow. I thought the Tivo HD guide was somewhat slow, but the Comcast Tivo seems to be at least 10 to 20 times slower. When I hit fast forward on the Tivo HD, the guide fills in within a half second second. The Comcast Tivo takes 5 to 10 seconds. I do not know if its me, but it feels like it has become even slower over the past week or so.

If I want to record a show, the operation can take 30 seconds and even up to several minutes. I am really shocked by this because the Tivo HD and the Comcast DVR allow me to set up a recording rather quickly. Also, setting up a season pass or a wishlist seems to take as long as setting up a single recording.

The above two things may be very slow on the surface. The Comcast DVR may do these things faster, but you have to factor in the number of times the Comcast DVR freezes. Also, Comcast Tivo gives you season pass, wishlists and search so you do not have to go spelunking through the Guide as much. If you take these two things into consideration, the Comcast Tivo is faster in the long run.

The remote responsiveness does not feel right throughout the entire Comcast Tivo. I have to be very ginger with the remote. The Comcast Tivo seems to freeze for seconds at a time. (The same problem exists in the Comcast DVR, so Motorola must have put a hex on the box.) When it decides to unfreeze, the buttons you pressed during the freeze were remembered and Comcast Tivo processes them. This is my biggest gripe with the product. Here are some examples:

The letter search can freeze the screen for 30 seconds to a minute. In order to see on demand shows in letter search, you have to enter at least 3 letters and the freezing makes the task difficult at times. I tend to accidentally exit the screen when I am doing the letter search.

When I am watching a show and a commercial comes on, I hit the fast forward button. The video and play status bar can take a half second to a second to respond. I have seen this behavior off and on, but it has happened enough for me to notice. If I press the fast forward button twice, for a split second I am not sure if the box did not get the second fast forward press or not.

Also, the fast forward can get stuck sometimes. I have had this happen three times already. If I am fast forwarding, the Comcast Tivo does its freeze thing and it will not respond to the play key. When this happens, the delay can be 1 to 2 seconds. The video fast forwards until the Tivo unfreezes. Fortunately, I have not had this happen very often.

Since I am on the subject of fast forward, the Tivo HD will jump back a few seconds when I go from fast forward back to play. The Comcast Tivo does this, but the jump back seems to go back too far or not far enough. It could be that I need to get used to it, but I find it tough to predict where I will
end up after pressing play.

The wishlists do not play nice with premium content. I set up a wishlist for movies, and it picks up movies on premium channels, such as HBO, even if you do not pay for the channel. For example, "Love Stinks" is running on show time. The wishlist picked up the movie and scheduled the recording. The movie shows up in the todo list as if it will be recorded, but it does not record. If the wishlist schedules multiple movies for a time slot and you try to record something else for that time slot, you have to manage the conflicts. If I go to settings and remove premium channels from my channel list, the wishlist will not record them. But, I feel that I should not have to mico manage the wishlist stuff.

Finally, I was unable to set up a season pass for NFL Football. I can do this on the Tivo HD, but the Comcast Tivo just does not give me the option. I can only make a one off recording of NFL games just fine.

I know I have listed a lot of negatives, but I am really happy with the Comcast Tivo. And, if and when some of the things I listed here have been ironed out, the Comcast Tivo has the potential to be Tivo's best products. Although, given Comcast's history with their own DVR, I am skeptical that any of the Comcast Tivo's problems will be fixed anytime soon, if ever. Even with the problems, if you already have an existing Comcast DVR, the Comcast Tivo upgrade is a no brainer.

Bruce24
12-24-2007, 06:19 PM
What Motorola DVR box do you have? I had a DCT-3412 which was slow to respond to remote commands. It rarely ever froze on me (maybe once in a year). I traded that box out for a DCH-3416, because the disk was larger. The DCH-3416 under iguide didn't have the same slow response of remote commands.

Yesterday I got the Tivo software and I agree with most of what you have said. You have had longer to use it than I and have seen things that I have not.

I'm not seeing 5 to 10 seconds between pages when I page through the guide, maybe a couple of seconds. Similar to what I see on my Series 2 Tivo in Grid mode.

The one thing I have noticed and you mentioned is it is slow in setting up recording. I think the reason for this is that it has to go off an update the todo list with every new record request.

Hokie Soup
12-25-2007, 11:19 AM
The menus are not in HD??? I agree that is a HUGE dissapointment! Part of the Tivo experience for me is the slick interface and the menus should look as sharp as possible. I wonder if the menus could be updated to HD with future patch?

Merry Christmas to all!

azmp1
12-25-2007, 01:25 PM
Very nice review, thank you John.
Does the room to room transfer and Tivo to go enabled with the Comcast Tivo?

Unfortunatly Comcast Tivo is not available in my area yet, but i'm trying to decide if i should wait for it or just get a S3 and a cable card. I do have to other S2 and the room to room transfer is a huge deal for me.

Alex

Eitel
12-25-2007, 01:40 PM
Comcast Tivo doesn't have TivoToGo or MRV. :(

azmp1
12-25-2007, 01:45 PM
Comcast Tivo doesn't have TivoToGo or MRV. :(

UGGGHHHRRR.... this sucks...
I guess series 3 it is. I can careless about the on-demand b-sh1t anyway.

Thanks

bicker
12-25-2007, 01:54 PM
I'm pretty sure that TiVo's own stand-alone boxes don't have menus in HD either. Just widescreen SD.

Washizu
12-26-2007, 10:57 AM
The TiVo HD menus seem sharper than the Series 2 menus to me.

Amnesia
12-26-2007, 11:55 AM
What about 30-second skip?
Do either the TiVo commands or the DCT-6412 commands work?

hongcho
12-27-2007, 04:51 PM
I'm pretty sure that TiVo's own stand-alone boxes don't have menus in HD either. Just widescreen SD.

That could be true. However, when I have my TiVoHD set to the native output, the menu is output as 720p... Who knows.

Hong.

bkdtv
12-29-2007, 02:57 AM
The menus are not in HD??? I agree that is a HUGE dissapointment! Part of the Tivo experience for me is the slick interface and the menus should look as sharp as possible. I wonder if the menus could be updated to HD with future patch? The current Motorola firmware implementation cannot support separate 4:3 SD and 16:9 HD menus. So [all] providers do their menus in 4:3 SD to support those televisions.

The TiVo HD menus seem sharper than the Series 2 menus to me.Tivo uses 1280x720 HD backgrounds, but the rest is 4:3 SD overlay.

If Tivo writes their own firmware, then a HD interface might be possible at some point. It can be quite complicated to support separate 4:3 and 16:9 interfaces. Dish Network is the only provider I am aware of has actually released a full 16:9 guide, but even they did the rest of the menus in 4:3.

s43s
12-29-2007, 05:16 PM
I was considering buying the TiVo HD and talked with a supervisor at Nashville TN Comcast - they tell me VOD and PPV will not work with the M-Card. FYI - guess this will have to wait. By the way, their phone service is suspect at best - they paid for me to go back to BellSouth.

bicker
12-29-2007, 07:51 PM
VOD and PPV require a two-way host device. The TiVo HD is not a two-way host device.

s43s
12-30-2007, 08:55 AM
Is the the Series 3 that uses the M-Card?

** TiVo® HD and Series3™ HD DVR: Does not support satellite service. Two CableCARDs™ may be required for dual tuner functionality and to receive dual digital cable channels. Cable service required to receive cable channels. TiVo does not provide cable service. CableCARD is a trademark of Cable Television Laboratories, Inc. Works with over-the-air antenna.

bicker
12-30-2007, 08:59 AM
Currently, only the TiVo HD supports M-cards.

garberfc
12-31-2007, 12:10 PM
Comcast Tivo doesn't have TivoToGo or MRV. :(

That's VERY disappointing. That sounds like something that can be fixed in software update.

Can folks start posting the software version they're seeing? It would be interesting to see the version number continue to bump up. At least then we'd know they're actively working on issues.

F

bicker
12-31-2007, 01:18 PM
On the contrary, Comcast plans on offering their own form of MRV, which is expected to be compatible with both levels of Comcast DVR service.

stevegarfield
12-31-2007, 04:55 PM
Comcast set me up with a Comcast Tivo a few weeks ago, and I wanted to share my experience with the product thus far. I know the Comcast Tivo just came out, but I have not read any honest reviews and I hope my thoughts will be helpful to people. (Does anybody else have this thing in their home?!?)

Comcast DVR with TiVo: Video Tour
http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/12/comcast-dvr-with-tivo-video-tour.html

In this video [ 5:16 ] I give you a quick tour of the Comcast DVR with TiVo. We take a look at TiVo recordings, the Guide, and Find Programs.

Response time could be improved.

bicker
01-01-2008, 07:23 AM
Who knows? The point is that it won't be part of the TiVo software option, which is what the question was in the first place.

garberfc
01-01-2008, 11:15 AM
Who knows? The point is that it won't be part of the TiVo software option, which is what the question was in the first place.
I'm with bicker, I'll wait and let Comcast / TiVo provide the solution.

But! I wish Comcast would let us know their plans and schedule.

Anxiously waiting,

Frank

garberfc
01-01-2008, 11:17 AM
Comcast DVR with TiVo: Video Tour
http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/12/comcast-dvr-with-tivo-video-tour.html

In this video [ 5:16 ] I give you a quick tour of the Comcast DVR with TiVo. We take a look at TiVo recordings, the Guide, and Find Programs.

Response time could be improved.

What are the chances that Comcast will start providing a new, more powerful/fitting hardware platform for the TiVo software? I'm afraid that the response issue is partly due to under performing hardware?!?

How does the Comcast hardware compare to that of other S3 solutions?

bicker
01-01-2008, 11:28 AM
But! I wish Comcast would let us know their plans and schedule.There is no way to guarantee when time, money and circumstance will align to provide any specific feature sufficiently tested and resourced for support, so providing a timeline would only serve to provide critics with ammunition for their criticism.

bicker
01-01-2008, 11:34 AM
What are the chances that Comcast will start providing a new, more powerful/fitting hardware platform for the TiVo software?Just think of how much it would cost to replace thousands upon thousands of DVRs. The TiVo HD is priced at $250, which is basically its cost. (TiVo remains unprofitable even though buyers of the TiVo HD have to make a minimum full-year commitment to the subscription service.) I figure that the DCH-34xx/64xx platform will be the platform for at least another few years.

How does the Comcast hardware compare to that of other S3 solutions?Somewhat poorly.

fallingwater
01-01-2008, 01:25 PM
What are the chances that Comcast will start providing a new, more powerful/fitting hardware platform for the TiVo software? I'm afraid that the response issue is partly due to under performing hardware?!?

How does the Comcast hardware compare to that of other S3 solutions?

According to several posts toward the end of page #99 of the big Comcast TiVo DVR thread at AVS Forum, stevengarfield's noted sluggish response is not typical of later models of Comcast's DVR.

grapeape
01-01-2008, 01:53 PM
John,

Does season passes include On Demand content? e.g. if you missed the network run of a show or have a conflict, will it grab it off of On Demand?

Some content is only on On Demand. e.g. Howard Stern. Can set a season pass for this content?

Amnesia
01-01-2008, 02:16 PM
Does season passes include On Demand content? e.g. if you missed the network run of a show or have a conflict, will it grab it off of On Demand?

Some content is only on On Demand. e.g. Howard Stern. Can set a season pass for this content?

I'm pretty sure you can't record stuff from On Demand...

markp99
01-02-2008, 09:35 AM
You CANNOT record/season pass On Demand content with the Comcast unit. I can do a manual record on my Series 3, however. ;)

garberfc
01-02-2008, 09:41 AM
According to several posts toward the end of page #99 of the big Comcast TiVo DVR thread at AVS Forum, stevengarfield's noted sluggish response is not typical of later models of Comcast's DVR.

Are you talking about this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682350&page=99) page??

Amnesia
01-02-2008, 10:46 AM
You CANNOT record/season pass On Demand content with the Comcast unit. I can do a manual record on my Series 3, however. How? I used to be able to record OnDemand on my Series 2 (since it just recorded whatever my cable box sent to it), but with a Series 3, there's no cable box involved...

markp99
01-02-2008, 10:50 AM
Amnesia,

Yes, good point. I used to record OnDemand to my Series2! I have not done/tried this on my Series3.