Amazing Race 12/23/07 *SPOILERS*

[tem]

Can't believe they made people get tattoos for the FF :eek: Neenahboy was right.

And what was that about no NELs ?? I'm ecstatic that the Goths are still in it. The concept of the Speed Bump is interesting. Ya figure it's something that could take 10 minutes or 2 hrs so that people could still have a chance if they aren't in last already.

[TriBruin]

It will interesting to see how the Speed Bump works out. It is going to have to be something that "Could" be done quickly, but could also take a lot of time (needle in a haystack) maybe?

I wonder if they had a choice of where the tattoo would be placed? I would have wanted it on the shoulder blade so that I could hide it better. I wonder if a female could have gotten in a less obvious place (small of the back or ankle?)

[scottykempf]

Sounded like Kynt messed up the clutch on that car. They possibly could have got it into gear by jamming it hard, but then again, maybe not. I don't know why Kynt was freaking out about Vixen's driving, then he gets in, and oh yeah, he barely knows how to drive a stick and the clutch goes out. Good one.

TK and Rachel:
The Vinci sign must have been fairly obvious from the air because everyone else found it on the first try I believe. He must have just been too stressed and not looking in the right place.
Flat tire? 3 minutes tops. Maybe that's another thing to practice before going on the race.
1. Learn how to drive stick.
2. Learn the difference between a gasoline engine and a diesel engine.
3. Learn how to change a tire in 3 minutes.

[pdhenry]

And the season's award for most useless product placement is the Blackberry that they can't actually use for anything except receiving an SMS...

I checked out the route (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=2590755762989422056,43.196320,12.635170&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=ancona,+italy&daddr=empoli,+italy&mra=mr&mrcr=0&sll=43.699651,12.178345&sspn=1.759266,3.658447&ie=UTF8&ll=43.92955,12.216797&spn=1.752507,3.658447&z=8&om=1) between Ancona and Empoli on Google Maps and the fastest way normally is via Bologna. The more southerly route (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=ancona,+italy&daddr=43.181147,12.617798+to:empoli,+italy&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=8&via=1&sll=43.731414,12.128906&sspn=1.758334,3.658447&ie=UTF8&ll=43.699651,12.178345&spn=1.759266,3.658447&z=8&om=1) through Perugia takes 45 minutes longer.

[Neenahboy]

Can't believe they made people get tattoos for the FF :eek: Neenahboy was right.


Yay, sig fodder! :)

I was kinda hoping Nate and Jen would get it so we could be treated to a patented Jen freakout when she realized what it was. :D


I wonder if they had a choice of where the tattoo would be placed? I would have wanted it on the shoulder blade so that I could hide it better. I wonder if a female could have gotten in a less obvious place (small of the back or ankle?)

The Amazing Race: providing tramp stamps since 2007. :D

In all seriousness, I hope the producers researched the artist. I was concerned when they exited and it didn't appear that they had been bandaged at all.


TK and Rachel:
The Vinci sign must have been fairly obvious from the air because everyone else found it on the first try I believe. He must have just been too stressed and not looking in the right place.


Yeah, that sign looked huge, and you'd think his first instinct would be to look around the riverbank. I was shocked it took him FOUR times, though. I was expecting two tops.

[Idearat]

The local who told the team to head south did mention that you could go via Bologna, but this wasn't a good time. It was one of those times when asking for directions gets you some information on conditions that don't show up on the map.

When it came down to the two teams who might be eliminated I was really hoping for the first non-elim leg. Those are the two women I most enjoy watching on the show.

I'd hoped for more footage when Nathan & Jennifer came in 2nd ( Due to the guys winning the FF ). It would have been an opportunity for Jen to throw another tantrum and explain to us all that it wasn't fair.

[stalemate]

Wow, getting tattooed for a non-elimination leg fast forward. :p

Why would your first instinct be to look along the river bank? I don't get it.

[Anubys]

change a tire in three minutes? maybe in a nascar pit...no way it can be done that quickly with unfamiliar equipment...

does Vyxyn look like she lost a lot of weight?

[Neenahboy]

Why would your first instinct be to look along the river bank? I don't get it.

It just seemed like the riverbank area had all these wide open plots of land, whereas farther out it was all residential.

[stalemate]

It just seemed like the riverbank area had all these wide open plots of land, whereas farther out it was all residential.OK, I see what you mean. I thought there was something magic about it being a river. Really it was because it was open and flat. I get ya now.

[appleye1]

Wow, getting tattooed for a non-elimination leg fast forward. :pWell, they did get the vacation. That's not a bad deal.

Except that it's a vacation for two! :rolleyes: That's so lame IMO. If the team isn't a couple, then they ought to spring for some extra seats for spouses or SOs. Come on Travelocity!

[Joules1111]

I was pulling for the goth team until last night. With all the complaining about Vixen's driving and him screaming "shut up shut up shut up" at her, I've decided I've been mispronouncing Kynt's first name all along. :down:

I do love Vixen, though, and was happy it was a non-elimination. She has got a really pretty face under all the goth makeup. :up:

I think my favorite team now it TK and Rachel.

[DancnDude]

Well, they did get the vacation. That's not a bad deal.

Except that it's a vacation for two! :rolleyes: That's so lame IMO. If the team isn't a couple, then they ought to spring for some extra seats for spouses or SOs. Come on Travelocity!

Don't they *each* win a trip for two?

[CharlieW]

I was impressed with how TK & Rachel handled themselves in the face of elimination. They truly had a terrible leg, appeared to be on their way out -- but mostly took it in stride. In my opinion they, along with the grandfather & grandson, are racing with the right frame of mind. It would be nice to win, but enjoy the race. Take a second to absorb the places you've been lucky enough to visit.

I'll be happy if either of them win --

after that - Kynt & Vyxen, Nate & Jennifer and finally abusive father & target daughter.

[JFriday]

Don't they *each* win a trip for two?
I don't think married couples each win a trip for 2, so I doubt gandpa and grandson do.

[4inziksych]

I thought it was really funny that Kynt was wearing a t-shirt with a word on it (dang, what was that word?) but it started with an F that looked a lot like the Fs that were tattooed on the other team. It was that old world style F. I guess if the Goths had gotten the fast forward it would have been no big deal.

Why was he screaming at her in the car anyway? Did I miss something? It looked like she was just trying to turn around and later he told her she was throwing a tantrum?

[Jebberwocky!]

frustration at being a little lost :D

[lalouque]

I really don't feel it was right for TAR to have them get tattoos for the FF. Shaving your head is temporary, bungee jumping is temporary. Tattoos.... not so temporary. Plus it's like a medical procedure with the needles. The teams have no idea how safe that parlor is and the after-care for the tattoo didn't seem to be addressed either. Just doesn't seem right to me.

lal

[LooseWiring]

I really don't feel it was right for TAR to have them get tattoos for the FF. Shaving your head is temporary, bungee jumping is temporary. Tattoos.... not so temporary. Plus it's like a medical procedure with the needles. The teams have no idea how safe that parlor is and the after-care for the tattoo didn't seem to be addressed either. Just doesn't seem right to me.

lal

Yeah, Julie and I were wondering why they didn't have the tattoos bandaged up. I had thought that was standard procedure.

I would especially be worried if they have any more challenges(Road Blocks/Detours/etc.) involving getting down and dirty.

Personally I think Vyksin is getting cuter and cuter while Kynt is looking more cartoonish and spoiled each episode.

[pdhenry]

(dang, what was that word?) "Fallen"

It went with Vyxen/Vyxsin/Vyxsyn's, which was something like "Angels are among us"

[Neenahboy]

Well, they did get the vacation. That's not a bad deal.

Except that it's a vacation for two! :rolleyes: That's so lame IMO. If the team isn't a couple, then they ought to spring for some extra seats for spouses or SOs. Come on Travelocity!

Did anyone else think their prize might include laser tattoo removal? :D

[4inziksych]

"Fallen"

It went with Vyxen/Vyxsin/Vyxsyn's, which was something like "Angels are among us"

I didn't catch that!

[scottykempf]

Did anyone else think their prize might include laser tattoo removal? :D

And a free dose of Hep A. :D

[Boot]

I really don't feel it was right for TAR to have them get tattoos for the FF. Shaving your head is temporary, bungee jumping is temporary. Tattoos.... not so temporary. Plus it's like a medical procedure with the needles. The teams have no idea how safe that parlor is and the after-care for the tattoo didn't seem to be addressed either. Just doesn't seem right to me.

lalTo be fair, they aren't forced to do anything. They could have turned back and done the challenge instead. In fact, they probably had plenty of time to go back and still beat two teams.

And we don't really know if the after-care was addressed. We saw them leaving the parlor, arriving at the mat, and in a post-interview. Bandages wouldn't have looked good on camera, so they might have filmed them leaving the parlor for show, and then bandaged them. And they might have removed the bandages for the mat and for the interview, and put them back on right after. For all we know, they might have had a nurse following them around for the rest of that leg.

[5thcrewman]

"Fallen" ______ "Angels Exist"


"Stupid" ______ "I'm with"

[alyssa]

I really don't feel it was right for TAR to have them get tattoos for the FF.
lal

The way I see it, for the small tat, ff, they got an all expense paid vaka to Cancun.
I'd take that deal--'course I'd rather it be to Italy but Mexico is nice too :)

[Ruth]

I didn't think the tattoo challenge was right, either. I've never seen any other challenge that would be a permanent change to a person's body, bringing medical risks with it, and I don't think it's fair to ask. I know it was just a FF, but still . . . .

[jradosh]

No one forced them to get the tattoos.

I'd love to get a better look at Rachel's tattoos sometime :p

Joules... great comment (mispronouncing "Kynt") :D

[Inundated]

I wonder what Kynt and Vyxsin are called in the non-Goth world.

:D

[pdhenry]

I wonder what Kynt and Vyxsin are called in the non-Goth world.

:DA partial answer (http://realitytv.about.com/od/theamazingrac1/ig/The-Amazing-Race-12-Teams/Kynt-Cothron-and-Vyxsin-Fiala-.htm):
Kynt Cothron and Vyxsin Fiala

[Inundated]

A partial answer (http://realitytv.about.com/od/theamazingrac1/ig/The-Amazing-Race-12-Teams/Kynt-Cothron-and-Vyxsin-Fiala-.htm):
Kynt Cothron and Vyxsin Fiala

A partial answer. There's no way those are the names on their drivers' licenses. :D

[gschrock]

Small world moment for me: the teams went through Spliit, Croatia to catch a ferry. Over the summer I took a cruise on the Royal Princess and managed to get a bridge tour. The Second Officer that conducted our bridge tour was from Spliit (and in fact was due to disembark for his time off next time the ship visited the port).

[Amnesia]

There's no way those are the names on their drivers' licenses. :DAnd certainly not on their birth certificates...

[Anubys]

31 and 29 years old and they work as hair salon receptionists...their parents must be so proud...

[Amnesia]

I wonder what Kynt and Vyxsin are called in the non-Goth world.A little Goggling turned up that their real names are Kent and Jennifer...

[smak]

I don't much mind the tattoo, but it kinda sucks they had it in a non-elimination.

I think that has been one of the bad things in the last few years, there seems to be some things that happen in a non-elimination leg that should be in an elimination leg.

Examples aren't coming to me now though.

-smak-

[Mikeyis4dcats]

I thought they had done away with NELs this season?

[JLucPicard]

I thought they had done away with NELs this season?
See any of the threads for previous episodes for that discussion - comes up every week for some reason.

[cherry ghost]

I thought they had done away with NELs this season?

The executive producer lied

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2007/07/cbs-party-offer.html

[Idearat]

I'll be curious to see what the "speed bump" is. Hopefully it's not so tough they're totally screwed, or so trivial it doesn't do anything. Even if it's perfect, it only has to be better than watching people beg for money.

They've already used this for the U-turn, but I'd thought for a while that a perfectly acceptable penalty would be to have the team do both of the detours. Together with no additional money for that leg would be tough, but usually doable. If the team were already four hours behind it might be hard to make up, but a bunch up would leave them with just the additional task and low money.

[Inundated]

I could have sworn - and I think we've been through this before - that they said on the first show that there would be "only two" this season.

I see the link above says there would be none, though.

[GoHalos]

I'll be curious to see what the "speed bump" is. Hopefully it's not so tough they're totally screwed, or so trivial it doesn't do anything. Even if it's perfect, it only has to be better than watching people beg for money.


I don't think that they had used the "take all your possessions and money away" punishment for non-elimination rounds lately. I thought they used "marked for elimination" in the last season or two (where the last team that was not eliminated had to win the next leg or they were out).

But you are right, anything is better than watching the teams begging (especially in poor countries).

I'll also be interested to see how difficult the extra "speed bump" challenge is.

[JLucPicard]

I could have sworn - and I think we've been through this before - that they said on the first show that there would be "only two" this season.

I see the link above says there would be none, though.
We have been through this before. Even Phil said on this week's show that it was the first of two non-elimination legs. And by the link above that you are citing - is that the one that is prefaced by "The executive producer lied"?

[Alpinemaps]

If you watch the extra videos on CBS's website, they show a video with Kynt & Vyxsin that address' their thoughts about tattoos. There's also a video that talks about Don & Nick's tattoos and some of their after care.

I won't spoil the content, so just check it out for yourselves. Each video is only about 2-5 minutes long.

Oh, there is one video I will spoil - there's a video of TK & Rachel and Jennifer & Nate swimming in the Adriatic Sea in their bathing suits! :up::p

[Inundated]

We have been through this before. Even Phil said on this week's show that it was the first of two non-elimination legs. And by the link above that you are citing - is that the one that is prefaced by "The executive producer lied"?

That's the one.


The show will do two fewer episdoes and drop the noneliminations to create more excitement.


(I fixed up one typo.)

The wording is from the author of the entry, and is not attributed directly to Jonathan Littman...so who knows if he actually said that or not, or if the writer misunderstood him...

[scottykempf]

I'll also be interested to see how difficult the extra "speed bump" challenge is.

One of the team members will have to lie down on the road while the other drives over them. "Speed Bump". LOL

[Inundated]

One of the team members will have to lie down on the road while the other drives over them. "Speed Bump". LOL

There's a rumor they wanted to call it the "Flo".

:D

(Just kidding.)

[Mike1138]

I missed this ep. I can't find the full length episode on CBS.com, iTunes, Hulu. Anyone know where I can find it?

BTW, Thanks CBS for providing me with an easy way to give you money. :rolleyes:

[Cearbhaill]

31 and 29 years old and they work as hair salon receptionists...their parents must be so proud...

:confused::confused::confused:
Ragging on the (working) middle class?

[Inundated]

I missed this ep. I can't find the full length episode on CBS.com, iTunes, Hulu. Anyone know where I can find it?


CBS doesn't offer TAR online. I have no idea why...

[ElJay]

Worst fast forward ever. If I had come up against that I would have been in the car driving back to the ultralights. At least the ultralights looked like fun (well, unless you had to take four rides on them.) It was an amusing coincidence that the "f" on Kynt's shirt was in a similar typeface of the required tattoo.

What's with Jen's complex about coming in first place? There's one leg where that matters, otherwise you're just missing out on stupid "trip for two" vacations that she wouldn't want to take with Nate anyway (not to mention the attached tax liability.)

I have to agree with others on the Blackberry. Most useless prop ever. Just print out the message if you're not going to allow the teams to actually utilize the technology.

[DevdogAZ]

I couldn't believe how long it took TK to find the words on the ground. I wonder if he just flat out missed it, or if the area they were searching was big enough that the other teams just got lucky to go to the right area first, while he started on the wrong end.

I loved when he and Rachel were racing the Goth gals at the end and he said something like, "I'm too mellow for this." That's the perfect temperament for the race, IMO. He realizes he needs to hurry, but getting worked up about it is abnormal. Too bad there aren't more teams like this.

[TiVo'Brien]

They sure didn't edit out Rachel's butt high up in the air looking for the lost clue in the car. I was like, how many times do we need to see her butt? :p

[Bierboy]

....I loved when he and Rachel were racing the Goth gals at the end...."...gals..."??

I do believe one is of the male gender.

[Anubys]

:confused::confused::confused:
Ragging on the (working) middle class?

why? you want your children to make their career as hair salon receptionists? I got nothing against working middle class and my comment had nothing to do with that...

[latrobe7]

My take on why Kynt was yelling at Vixsin to stop the car, was that she floored it down a narrow street when she couldn't turn around. I don't think either one handled it well.

My GF and I were both proud of Nathan and Jen because they completed the flag thing by actually working together and didn't call each other names and scream, etc. Still, we both feel this statement would be true when said to either person: "Why do you put up with that? You could do much better." - but then maybe that means they deserve each other...:p

[Inundated]

why? you want your children to make their career as hair salon receptionists? I got nothing against working middle class and my comment had nothing to do with that...

If you believe the rumors elsewhere on the Internet(s)... :)

Kynt is supposedly really, really smart, with multiple degrees and everything. Book, looks, cover, all that.

As for his listed occupation, I'm not one to either A) give a crap about what people do for a living on this show (aside from a grumbling or two about an oversupply of actors/models/etc.), or B) worry about whatever reason Kynt had for putting that front and center.

[DevdogAZ]

"...gals..."??

I do believe one is of the male gender.
Seriously? Is this your first ever TAR thread?

[sketcher]

Maybe that's another thing to practice before going on the race.
1. Learn how to drive stick.
2. Learn the difference between a gasoline engine and a diesel engine.
3. Learn how to change a tire in 3 minutes.
4. Know how to read and use a road map.

I don't much mind the tattoo, but it kinda sucks they had it in a non-elimination.

I think that has been one of the bad things in the last few years, there seems to be some things that happen in a non-elimination leg that should be in an elimination leg.

Examples aren't coming to me now though.
-smak-
Yields.

[Jayjoans]

Seriously? Is this your first ever TAR thread?


lol

[bobsbizzy]

We completely missed this episode, does anyone have a link to where we can watch it on-line?

[spikedavis]

We completely missed this episode, does anyone have a link to where we can watch it on-line?

You can't.



Unless you torrent.

[jradosh]

They sure didn't edit out Rachel's butt high up in the air looking for the lost clue in the car. I was like, how many times do we need to see her butt? :p

I didn't mind :p

[dvdapex]

They sure didn't edit out Rachel's butt high up in the air looking for the lost clue in the car. I was like, how many times do we need to see her butt? :p
I'm hoping for a special episiode dedicated to it!

[uncdrew]

I was pulling for the goth team until last night. With all the complaining about Vixen's driving and him screaming "shut up shut up shut up" at her, I've decided I've been mispronouncing Kynt's first name all along. :down:


You funny.


And Vixen spells her name sinfully -- Vyxsin. Crazy, huh? Took me like an hour to figure that out and still no naked photos of her. What a waste of time. :o

[mattack]

A partial answer. There's no way those are the names on their drivers' licenses. :D

They *could* legally change their names. In CA, it's really easy to change one's name. I don't remember if they're in CA, but with those freaky names, I wouldn't doubt it.

[mattack]

I don't much mind the tattoo, but it kinda sucks they had it in a non-elimination.

I think that has been one of the bad things in the last few years, there seems to be some things that happen in a non-elimination leg that should be in an elimination leg.


Obviously that would give away too much info to the players.

I think they should be randomly put in the episodes.. so even happen to do two non-eliminations in a row once in a while.

[Inundated]

They *could* legally change their names. In CA, it's really easy to change one's name. I don't remember if they're in CA, but with those freaky names, I wouldn't doubt it.

One of the usual suspect boards says that Kynt's "non-goth" first name is Kent, and Vyxsin is Jennifer away from the Goth World.

They're both from Louisville, Kentucky. I'm sure the confusion by TAR viewers over their "goth" names is repeated dozens of times over in their hometown.

[Bierboy]

Seriously? Is this your first ever TAR thread?
...uh....yes....never watched the show before this episode....

[Jebberwocky!]

Seriously? Is this your first ever TAR thread?

...uh....yes....never watched the show before this episode....

Ha! I need a smile :)

[Inundated]

"Meredith and What's His Name"

:D

[JLucPicard]

...uh....yes....never watched the show before this episode....
In earlier threads for this season there was talk about the fact that Kynt looked quite feminine (some even thought it looked like he had boobs) and the joke started about them being the "Goth gals", though everyone knew the team is mixed gender. Common knowledge to we who have been discussing this all season and something that a new-comer would not have known about from this one thread. Please don't take offense to some of the comments you got as a result of your not knowing about this. :)

[trainman]

And Vixen spells her name sinfully -- Vyxsin. Crazy, huh? Took me like an hour to figure that out and still no naked photos of her. What a waste of time. :o

Better be cheering for the Goths -- if they win, that will drastically increase the chances of Vyxsin being offered the opportunity to pose nude somewhere. :D

[Bierboy]

In earlier threads for this season there was talk about the fact that Kynt looked quite feminine (some even thought it looked like he had boobs) and the joke started about them being the "Goth gals", though everyone knew the team is mixed gender. Common knowledge to we who have been discussing this all season and something that a new-comer would not have known about from this one thread. Please don't take offense to some of the comments you got as a result of your not knowing about this. :)

None taken....I appreciate the explanation. And now I fully understand :D

[Mike1138]

What's with Jen's complex about coming in first place? There's one leg where that matters, otherwise you're just missing out on stupid "trip for two" vacations that she wouldn't want to take with Nate anyway (not to mention the attached tax liability.)

She's ultra competitive. Nate even referenced it in this episode. Yeah, overall it might not matter but I would guess she always wants to be first in everything.

[tonestert]

Why didn't they at least get the tattoo's in a less visible place like their ankles ? Did they have to get them on their arms ?

[beeman65]

I am curious to see how the Speed Bump works out. Anyone know how teams did in the next leg of the race after coming in last in a NEL? I can't remember if they recovered or not. That'd be an interesting stat.

[uncdrew]

Better be cheering for the Goths -- if they win, that will drastically increase the chances of Vyxsin being offered the opportunity to pose nude somewhere. :D



Go Goth Go!!!

[stalemate]

I am curious to see how the Speed Bump works out. Anyone know how teams did in the next leg of the race after coming in last in a NEL? I can't remember if they recovered or not. That'd be an interesting stat.I don't have any hard stats but I know that the hippies were last in a NEL at least once (I think twice actually) and they ended up winning the whole race.

I think the beauty queens might have been last a couple of times too and they ended up in the final 3.

[brianric]

Anyone who wants a copy of 12-23 TAR PM me your full name and address and I'll mail at no cost a DVD of the show. Will be in the mail Sunday.

[Mikkel_Knight]

None taken....I appreciate the explanation. And now I fully understand :D

if you'd like some REALLY fun and interesting reading, check out the threads on previous seasons. :D

[Gunnyman]

Thanks Bit Torrent I was able to watch TAR today. No idea why it wasn't on my TiVo.

[loubob57]

I just got back from vacation and saw that 60 minutes ran 20 minutes late and since Cold Case was a rerun and didn't record I missed the last 20 minutes. I saw it up to the point that the tattooed team got to the mat and won their trip. So I take it that the Goth Gals came in last but it was a non-elimination leg so they survived (or was it TK and Rachel?).

[ellinj]

I just got back from vacation and saw that 60 minutes ran 20 minutes late and since Cold Case was a rerun and didn't record I missed the last 20 minutes. I saw it up to the point that the tattooed team got to the mat and won their trip. So I take it that the Goth Gals came in last but it was a non-elimination leg so they survived (or was it TK and Rachel?).

The Goth's were last and yes it was a non elimination leg. Apparently this year they are going to be given an extra task as punishment.

[DevdogAZ]

...uh....yes....never watched the show before this episode....
In that case, welcome to TAR. I hope you keep watching, as it's one of the better shows on TV, and I hope you keep participating in the threads. The more, the merrier.

[Bierboy]

In that case, welcome to TAR. I hope you keep watching, as it's one of the better shows on TV, and I hope you keep participating in the threads. The more, the merrier.
Oh, definitely. My wife likes the show, so I'll watch it with her now. :D