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bigray327
12-17-2007, 03:25 PM
I'd like your opinions on whether I should be pissed at TiVo, Inc.

Rewind a couple of weeks. I ditched DirecTV after seven years of DirecTiVo use. I had five of them over the years, including a very expensive high-def model. Being turned off by how DTV is moving away from TiVos, I decided to switch to cable. I called TiVo to see if they'd consider giving me a break on a lifetime subscription, since a) I paid for one in 2000 and b) I've been a loyal fan, stock holder, and poster child for a loooong time. I'm personally responsible for a small army of their customers. I was pleasantly surprised when the kind woman on the phone told me they would allow me to transfer my lifetime subscription for $199. Sweet, so I went out and bought a $250 TiVoHD, switched to Comcast, and unleashed the typical cablecard nightmare upon myself (won't go into that). I did all of this assuming they'd keep their word about the $199 lifetime subby.

Well, they didn't. After I bought the new machine and called to activate, a second rep said, "oh hell yeah, we'll do that," but he didn't know how, so he told me someone would call me back. When no one did, I called a third time, and a third rep told me "ummm, sorry, there was a mistake, you can't do that." So they referred it to their accounting office, who never called me back. A few days later, my temporary activation expired and I bought a 3 year subscription for roughly a million dollars.

So... should I be mad at TiVo? On one hand, they didn't owe me anything; the lifetime subscription I bought from TiVo in 2000 was transferred to DirecTV in 2001, ending TiVo's responsibility to deliver me anything. On the other hand, two separate reps said they would hook me up, and despite the great notes they put into their computers, they didn't. They could have said no, but they lured me into a situation I would not have otherwise gone into. I almost feel like I was intentionally duped. The money doesn't mean a whole lot to me, so I'm letting it go, but this rubs me the wrong way.

A PM to Pony went unanswered.

Thoughts?

client
12-17-2007, 03:29 PM
i wouldn't be mad, but i would call back and make sure to stress the fact that you have the tivo IN HAND and are willing to pay for the PLT transfer.

if you speak to someone higher than the first level of support, there may be something tha can be done.

bigray327
12-17-2007, 03:31 PM
if you speak to someone higher than the first level of support, there may be something tha can be done.
Oh, I forgot to mention, the third rep was as high as I could get on the phone with customer service. They wouldn't transfer me directly to the accounting department so I could plead my case to them... gave me some line about not having compatible phone systems. :)

client
12-17-2007, 03:39 PM
hmm... the old addage comes to mind "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again" i'm not trying to shortchange what you have done already, but i just think that a few more tries couldn't hurt. it seems as if sometimes when you call tivo, you just get to the right person to do what you want to have done. if not, the promo for the PLT $199 transfer is officially over and you would have to just, regretably, grin and bear it.

20TIL6
12-17-2007, 03:39 PM
From a pure consumer point of view, yeah, you are justified in being miffed. You were told one thing, and it ultimately was not delivered.

But, if you are still a holder of TiVo shares, know that ultimately the monthly sub agreements mean much more to them as a company than the lifetime subs. So while you did not get what you wanted in the short term, you might be doing a bit to help yourself as a shareholder in the long term.

I have two lifetime S3 units and a monthly MSD on an HD. If I hadn't bought the HD as soon as I did, I would have been able to get lifetime on it. But throwing TiVo a few bones each month doesn't bother me since it best supports their business model going forward.

RoyK
12-17-2007, 04:12 PM
Let's see. You were lied to not once but twice, spent money on a TiVo product the installation of which you term a "nightmare" and then had to spend more money that you weren't expecting to spend based on what you were told. Why should you be upset - especially as a shareholder?

ZeoTiVo
12-17-2007, 04:41 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention, the third rep was as high as I could get on the phone with customer service. They wouldn't transfer me directly to the accounting department so I could plead my case to them... gave me some line about not having compatible phone systems. :)

it does suck. They were going from something that was opened up during the original buy an S3 for 800$ and transfer lifetime for 199$. A lot of DirecTV jumpers rasied their hands here and asked for DirectTV lifetime to be included. The word came back they would do that. I am sure it was a very manual process though and not just a checkbox in the billing system. You are caught in the limbo of a one off and not finding the person who will go through the manual slog for a one off.

sender_name
12-17-2007, 05:06 PM
From a pure consumer point of view, yeah, you are justified in being miffed. You were told one thing, and it ultimately was not delivered.

But, if you are still a holder of TiVo shares, know that ultimately the monthly sub agreements mean much more to them as a company than the lifetime subs. So while you did not get what you wanted in the short term, you might be doing a bit to help yourself as a shareholder in the long term.

I have two lifetime S3 units and a monthly MSD on an HD..
umm..if you are paying $12.95 a month or even $9.95 a month that is a lot of dividens to get back from tivo...It is currently $400 for a lifetime sub for existing subscribers...that = 3yrs 4months at $10 or 2yr 6mo at $13...So begining in June of 2010 your tivo stock must earn you a yearly return of $156...let me know how that works out ;)

TiVoPony
12-17-2007, 06:24 PM
BigRay,

I did see your PM, but it was very vague ('want to keep me happy, pm me').

If you send me your contact information via private message I'll pass the description of your issue along.

Pony

StanSimmons
12-17-2007, 06:41 PM
BigRay got a Pony! :)

bigray327
02-29-2008, 02:25 PM
Closure: it took two months and two customer service reps, but TiVo finally made nice on this. Thanks to Abigail and TiVoPony.

P.S. No pony. :(

brettatk
02-29-2008, 02:40 PM
I had the exact opposite happen. They told me it would cost me $199 to transfer my S1 lifetime over to a Tivo HD but never charged me. That was over two months ago. I let it slide. ;)