Dexter 11/18/2007 (S02E08) "Morning Comes"

[dswallow]

It's gonna get fun with Doakes, I bet. Dexter is really losing control now.

[Craigbob]

Anyone think that Lila is going to meet the real Dexter?

I think the conflict with Doakes is going to be intense and only one is going to walk away.

[Attack]

I think Dexter might set Doakes up to take the fall. I'm not sure about what might happen with Lila.

[dswallow]

Have any of Dexter's victims been women yet?

[spikedavis]

Have any of Dexter's victims been women yet?

Yes-last year he killed that man and his wife.

[mwhip]

I think Dexter might set Doakes up to take the fall. I'm not sure about what might happen with Lila.

Yep. Doakes has the "trophy" box and somehow Dexter will set him up to be the Bay Harbor killer.

[Attack]

Have any of Dexter's victims been women yet?

Yes, the nurse that worked on his dad.

[VegasVic]

Good episode. The final 4 (or is it 5?) are going to be interesting. I hope All signs point to Doakes being set up now that he has the slides. But I hope it doesn't happen. It seems too obvious.

[spikedavis]

Lets hope this is the end of Lila. The only weak part of a great show.

[madscientist]

Wow, I was surprised at Doakes finding Dexter's stash! Yikes! And now that they've basically narrowed the investigation down to someone in that department, it's really hard to see how they could come to any conclusion OTHER than Doakes set up as the killer. Does Dexter always wear gloves when handling his slides?

Not sure we've seen the last of Lila. She was an annoying character but I found the entire "in recovery" arc very interesting from a character development aspect. And, the way she didn't mind having no clothes on was a plus :p. "She's a skanky pale vampire girl!" "You've just described the perfect woman!"

[analog4]

I have seen only the first episode of this second season.

I'll wait until Christmas break to watch the whole season in one day.

[TAsunder]

What an incredible episode. The tension is really palpable at this point. I thought dexter was going to confess to lila there.

[Havana Brown]

I loooved this episode. I was on the edge of my seat.

Still can't stand Lila. Especially when she was talking about the kids manipulating Dexter. Yeah, and she's not. :rolleyes: At first I thought Lila had sent the guy to the bowling alley, but then after it was revealed that he was the guy that killed Dexter's mom I took it back. Lila is one sneaky beyotch!

[Casual]

I see this show ending 1 0f 4 ways.

Dexter's Sister finds out that he's the Bay Harbor killer and because of brother sister loyalty she covers for him.

Doakes learns that Dexter is the Bay Harbor killer and all of a sudden finds some weird kindred spirit thingy with Dexter.

Dexter sets Doakes up to take the fall.

Dexter kills Lundy for some reason. Either Lundy is getting to close so Dex has to kill him or Lundy turns out to be some weird serial killer dude (like on Criminal Minds :)).

[ReenieS]

I, too, am betting on the Doakes setup scenario. Vigilante, had several shootings of suspects, etc. However his MO would not be as clean as the Bay Harbor Butcher or Dark Avenger. The blood slides as evidence of trophies would point directly to Dexter. I think Doakes will not be able to resist taunting Dexter, but somehow the slides will be taken from his possession.

My pet peeves:
I hate Lila; and
I hate Rita, too.

Dexter needs to be solo-guy.

[dswallow]

I, too, am betting on the Doakes setup scenario. Vigilante, had several shootings of suspects, etc. However his MO would not be as clean as the Bay Harbor Butcher or Dark Avenger. The blood slides as evidence of trophies would point directly to Dexter. I think Doakes will not be able to resist taunting Dexter, but somehow the slides will be taken from his possession.

My pet peeves:
I hate Lila; and
I hate Rita, too.

Dexter needs to be solo-guy.
The slides might be explainable as having been created from samples taken after the bodies were recovered by police.

[StanSimmons]

The slides might be explainable as having been created from samples taken after the bodies were recovered by police.

The older bodies would be far too degraded to get blood for a slide.

There are far more slides in the case then there were bodies found in the trench.

[bpurcell]

Wow, my mind is still spinning. I knew at the beginning from the "Previously on Dexter" that someone was going to find the slides (it showed a reminder that Dexter keeps his stash in the AC - a common foreshadowing tactic). I wish shows didn't do things like that.

I agree with everyone that the most logical option is to frame Doakes as the killer, assuming they want Dexter to go to a season three. Either that, or Doakes is going to die. They also might want to cut Dexter off at two episodes and let him get caught. Does anyone know if there's been any talk about a season three?

[dswallow]

Does anyone know if there's been any talk about a season three?

It's been picked up for a third season: http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=555d8693-4808-4244-89c3-17a0199318b3

[MasterOfPuppets]

Doakes being framed is so obvious at this point that I really hope they go in a different direction.

The direction that I could see is Lila killing Doakes to "protect" Dexter, with her figuring out what Dexter's "monster" is and then Dexter killing Lila for violating some Code of Harry.

Or

Dexter getting back with Rita, or attempting to reconcile, with Lila doing something bad to Rita and then coming after Dexter but getting in the middle of an encounter with Doakes. We'll call this the "Bloodbath Scenario". :p

Either way, there's no way we've seen the last of Lila. And, given Dexter's last lines to her, there's no way she doesn't see his monster.
Ohhhh...innuendo.

[danterner]

I'm also onboard with the theory that Doakes will be taking the fall as the Bay Harbor Butcher. Just not clear on the specifics yet.

I thought the conversation between Doakes and LaGuerta was interesting, where he mentions in passing that his father was a butcher. I suspect there'll be a callback to that in a later episode, after Doakes is framed as the Bay Harbor Butcher. LaGuerta will help (incorrectly) put the pieces together, and part of that process will be her recalling that Doakes told her that his dad was a butcher.

They never showed Dexter going back to the everglades cabin to clean up the crimescene he left when he ran off after receiving Rita's distress call, did they? Do you think we are to presume that he did so, and it just wasn't shown? Or that he hasn't done so, in which case there's another potential problem waiting for him if and when it is discovered...

Fantastic show. I just wish the episodes lasted longer than 15 minutes. (At least, that's how long they FEEL like they last. I always get so absorbed).

How many episodes are left this season?

[evaporated]

There are only 2 espisodes left in the season.

I am thinking that Dexter doesn't get caught because in the previews, he's wearing a latex glove when they present him with the slides in the box. It seems to me to be an indicator that they are presenting him with evidence they want him to look at for the case, not because he is the owner of said slides.

[evaporated]

Does anyone else think that Lila looks like a gelfling from the movie "The Dark Crystal"?

[dswallow]

There are only 2 espisodes left in the season.
There's 4 episodes left. 12 episodes in the season.

[Amnesia]

I am thinking that (...) because in the previews (...)

Hey! Don't give information about upcoming episodes!!!

[danterner]

Does anyone else think that Lila looks like a gelfling from the movie "The Dark Crystal"?

Personally, she reminds me more of a Skeksis...

[minckster]

... because in the previews

Thanks ... NOT! Please go back and add spoiler tags to your post.
Hey! Don't give information about upcoming episodes!!! +1000

[wmcbrine]

I'm also onboard with the theory that Doakes will be taking the fall as the Bay Harbor Butcher.I think it would (will?) be a tough sell. Doakes is such a hothead, and the Bay Harbor Butcher is so cold-blooded. He really doesn't fit the profile. I could see him as a vigilante murderer, just not as this one.

[danterner]

I think it would (will?) be a tough sell. Doakes is such a hothead, and the Bay Harbor Butcher is so cold-blooded. He really doesn't fit the profile. I could see him as a vigilante murderer, just not as this one.

I concede that Doakes would be an entirely different type of killer based upon what we know of him versus what we know of Dexter. But we (the viewing audience) knows much more about Dexter's MO than Miami Metro/Lundy does. Sure, they have a profile. Doakes doesn't 100% fit the profile, but I'd say he's a close enough match that if he's caught in a compromising situation (slides in hand/at the everglades crime scene/etc) the hotheadedness would be overlooked in favor of all of the things that do fit: his law enforcement background, his recent erratic behavior, his recent violent incidents, his father the butcher, etc. For all Miami Metro knows, the BHB could be hotheaded, after all - they don't really know much about him.

Edited to add: Evaporated - welcome to the Tivo Community Forums! I see you just joined and these were your first two posts. To add spoiler tags to your post, go back and edit the post and place [ SPOILER ] at the beginning of your paragraph and [ /SPOILER ] at the end of it (omitting the spaces near the brackets). Most people don't like knowing about the coming attractions for next week's shows - they're considered spoilers. The show thread is just for discussion about the current (or past) shows. Any outside knowledge (something you read in an Entertainment Weekly article, stuff that happened in the Dexter novels, etc) should similarly be spoilered.

[johnperkins21]

This was the best episode of a great season. This is far and away my favorite show right now, and this episode was an example of why. The dichotomy of humor and murder just fits with me for some reason.

I also hope they figure out how to get around framing Doakes as I really like him as a nemesis to Dexter and hope he stays. With only 4 episodes left though, it would have to take a very dramatic turn at the end to move away from it.

[danterner]

I also hope they figure out how to get around framing Doakes as I really like him as a nemesis to Dexter and hope he stays. With only 4 episodes left though, it would have to take a very dramatic turn at the end to move away from it.

I like Doakes' character, too, and I hope he stays as well. I think all signs point to him going, but a Third Act very dramatic turn would be in keeping with the show and so anything is still possible. For example, this time last season (S01E08), I'm pretty sure Dexter had not yet met Rudy. (It wasn't until S01E09 that Rudy came over, with Deb, to help out at Dexter's biodad's house).

[goblue97]

Most people don't like knowing about the coming attractions for next week's shows - they're considered spoilers. The show thread is just for discussion about the current (or past) shows. Any outside knowledge (something you read in an Entertainment Weekly article, stuff that happened in the Dexter novels, etc) should similarly be spoilered.
Coincidentally I found the biggest spoiler in this thread to be the fact that there will be a season three.

[Cainebj]

Reuters via Yahoo News is reporting that this episode is now Showtime's "most-watched episode ever" for a Showtime series...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071121/tv_nm/dexter_dc;_ylt=Aj.JwLr2V0dbIxB9Zezw00i5GL8C

[Rob Helmerichs]

Wow, I was surprised at Doakes finding Dexter's stash!
That's one thing that bothered me a little bit--not that he found it, but that he found it in a lazy-writing way. If the vibration of the case in the A/C was enough for Doakes to hear, it would have been enough to drive a control freak like Dexter nuts (he said, speaking from experience, cough cough). And it's pretty easy to stop that kind of vibration (he said, speaking from experience, cough cough).

[dswallow]

That's one thing that bothered me a little bit--not that he found it, but that he found it in a lazy-writing way. If the vibration of the case in the A/C was enough for Doakes to hear, it would have been enough to drive a control freak like Dexter nuts (he said, speaking from experience, cough cough). And it's pretty easy to stop that kind of vibration (he said, speaking from experience, cough cough).

I thought he found it by looking with the flashlight, not that he was drawn there by vibration, just that he was looking everywhere.

[danterner]

I thought he found it by looking with the flashlight, not that he was drawn there by vibration, just that he was looking everywhere.

Luckily for Dexter, the slides were discovered during an unlawful search of his home and therefore would be inadmissible as evidence against him, as would any other evidence obtained against him as a result of their having been found (as 'fruit of the poisonous tree'). Not that I think that the story line is going to meander that way.


Rob: Now turn your head and...

[Rob Helmerichs]

I thought he found it by looking with the flashlight, not that he was drawn there by vibration, just that he was looking everywhere.
It kept making buzzing noises, and that's what drew him to it (twice, but the first time he couldn't figure out where it was coming from).

Having lived through that (cough cough), I was especially sensitive to it when it happened on the show.

[TAsunder]

It kept making buzzing noises, and that's what drew him to it (twice, but the first time he couldn't figure out where it was coming from).

Having lived through that (cough cough), I was especially sensitive to it when it happened on the show.

I thought the buzzing noise was the tape on it.

Have we ever heard the buzz before? Didn't he put it away in a hurry last time we saw him put it away (when deb tried to come in)?

[Havana Brown]

Having lived through that (cough cough), I was especially sensitive to it when it happened on the show.

You should really look into that cough. ;)

[Johncv]

Reuters via Yahoo News is reporting that this episode is now Showtime's "most-watched episode ever" for a Showtime series...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071121/tv_nm/dexter_dc;_ylt=Aj.JwLr2V0dbIxB9Zezw00i5GL8C

Which beg the question, why would anyone tune into the middle of a show when there are only four episodes left?

[MickeS]

Which beg the question, why would anyone tune into the middle of a show when there are only four episodes left?

Maybe those viewers used to catch reruns during the week, or recorded episodes, but now decided to watch it live instead.

[whitson77]

what

[JETarpon]

OK. I just started watching this show and have watched a marthon of it over the last couple days and just finished this episode. Here's what I can't figure out that someone might be able to help me with.

In season 1, when Dexter thought that the ice-truck killer was framing him, he threw out all his tools AND cleaned out his trophy box. Everything went into the ocean. After that, he didn't kill anybody until he killed his brother, and he didn't take a slide from his brother.

Start season 2, and it's been 39 days since he killed his brother and he hasn't killed anyone. But when he does, he puts the slide into a 2/3 full trophy box. Where did those slides come from?

[Johncv]

OK. I just started watching this show and have watched a marthon of it over the last couple days and just finished this episode. Here's what I can't figure out that someone might be able to help me with.

In season 1, when Dexter thought that the ice-truck killer was framing him, he threw out all his tools AND cleaned out his trophy box. Everything went into the ocean. After that, he didn't kill anybody until he killed his brother, and he didn't take a slide from his brother.

Start season 2, and it's been 39 days since he killed his brother and he hasn't killed anyone. But when he does, he puts the slide into a 2/3 full trophy box. Where did those slides come from?

Dexter never threw away the trophy box because he could not bare to part with it.