Journeyman 10/29/2007 (S01E06) "Keepers"

[dswallow]

That kid's lying. Steve knows something he's not telling Dan.

[vertigo235]

Ya think?

He totally noticed it was the same shoes too.

[dthmj]

I let my 13 year old daughter watch this show with me tonight... Big mistake. Now she keeps asking questions about time travel... We had to stop the show for about 30 minutes talking about all the theories, and movies/tv that get it all wrong, etc...

And in the end, hubby said "you, know, time travel isn't real..." and she had this look on her face like "no way!" You would have thought he told her there was no Santa...

[MickeS]

I let my 13 year old daughter watch this show with me tonight... Big mistake. Now she keeps asking questions about time travel... We had to stop the show for about 30 minutes talking about all the theories, and movies/tv that get it all wrong, etc...

And in the end, hubby said "you, know, time travel isn't real..." and she had this look on her face like "no way!" You would have thought he told her there was no Santa...
:D

This episode was another good one. I kept wondering throughout how they were going to deal with the fact that the bombs didn't happen as they did.

So is Livia just traveling to keep an eye on Dan?

I kept wondering whether Jack would discover the rehearsal audition tape.

And yeah, that scientist knows more than he lets on. I wonder if they'll revisit him.

[Kamakzie]

I find myself watching this show before I watch Heroes and Chuck. I really like this show. Hopefully it makes it. I hope Dan tells the brother whats up eventually.

[spikedavis]

I really really love this show.

[dianebrat]

So is Livia just traveling to keep an eye on Dan?

I thought that was one of the big reveals.. and I like it.
It solves the issue of "Why Livia?" which I personally had no issues with.

And agreed, Steve knows something, but he's just had it beat out of him over the years with no one believing him, medications, potentially ECT, he's been taught you keep it hidden.

I'm also really liking how interconnected things are turning out, the writers have been paying attention to Lost and Heroes, but in the right ways :-) I have to hope they have a good show bible, and will stick to it.

Diane

[gchance]

I let my 13 year old daughter watch this show with me tonight... Big mistake. Now she keeps asking questions about time travel... We had to stop the show for about 30 minutes talking about all the theories, and movies/tv that get it all wrong, etc...

And in the end, hubby said "you, know, time travel isn't real..." and she had this look on her face like "no way!" You would have thought he told her there was no Santa...

You're upset because your child is using her brain, thinking about something she saw on tv? Because she's having an intelligent conversation with her parents about something other than Bratz?

Greg

[dswallow]

You're upset because your child is using her brain, thinking about something she saw on tv? Because she's having an intelligent conversation with her parents about something other than Bratz?
I took the "upset" part as quite tongue-in-cheek.

[Fahtrim]

Great episode again. Very well done, nicely tying the drama pieces together. How long can he keep Kellerman (throwback for you Homicide LOTS lovers) in the dark?

[Chibbie]

I like how they cleared up the stolen money questions right at the start. If he spends the marked money in the past, he won't be around long enough for them to trace it. He can't use it in the present, but now he doesn't have to "buy" old currency.

I also like how Dan found the car part in the past that his brother was looking for. I assume that was a new ignition, since he was using a paper clip to start the car earlier.

[dthmj]

You're upset because your child is using her brain, thinking about something she saw on tv? Because she's having an intelligent conversation with her parents about something other than Bratz?

Greg


I hope you are kidding....

I never used the word "upset", or even inferred that. I was just commenting that this show opened up a new set of ideas for her.

Sorry you took it the wrong way.

If I was really upset, I wouldn't have stopped the show and discussed it with her.

Oh, and Bratz is so 8 years old... she wouldn't have been caught with them even when she was 8.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'm also really liking how interconnected things are turning out, the writers have been paying attention to Lost and Heroes, but in the right ways :-) I have to hope they have a good show bible, and will stick to it.
I still suggest that all the people he's saving may be connected somehow, and will play a part in something big to come...
I never used the word "upset", or even inferred that.
I'm upset that you said "inferred" when you meant "implied"... "D

[MickeS]

I like how they cleared up the stolen money questions right at the start. If he spends the marked money in the past, he won't be around long enough for them to trace it. He can't use it in the present, but now he doesn't have to "buy" old currency.

I also like how Dan found the car part in the past that his brother was looking for. I assume that was a new ignition, since he was using a paper clip to start the car earlier.

He said he wouldn't be around long enough for them to trace it... but he LIVES in most of this time period. :) Of course, he'd probably have a pretty good alibi...

Yeah, that was the ignition that Dan destroyed when borrowing the car and using the paper clip (as I understood it). :)

[betts4]

Yeah, that was the ignition that Dan destroyed when borrowing the car and using the paper clip (as I understood it). :)
I missed something there. Didn't the ignition just die in 2007? did it take that long for it to get 'messed up' from Dan borrowing it? I am guessing he got it from the car repair place.

I did like it when they were trying to guess the date and year and Olivia said 80's and Dan said 'see that kid on the skateboard, he's using a cellphone.'

I am not really like Olivia and don't even see what she adds to the story except tension. (She is not as cool as Al was for Quantum Leap.)

[TonyTheTiger]

The kid dropping his baseball in amazement when dad disappeared was priceless.

I think the interactions of the characters are making this show a must-see. It could so easily become a corny copy of Quantum Leap, but the people are making it so much more.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I missed something there. Didn't the ignition just die in 2007? did it take that long for it to get 'messed up' from Dan borrowing it? I am guessing he got it from the car repair place.
I got the impression that the ignition was damaged by Dan, and Jack somehow never found the right part to fix it, or more likely never found an original part (which matters to these car restoring type people). A little weird that Dan can just walk into a garage and get one when Jack's apparently been looking for years, but hey...maybe that part became impossible to find after 9/11. :D

[TAsunder]

His money theory is kind of sketchy. He gave the money to someone else. He might not be around long enough to get caught, but other people are.

It was nice that they finally confirmed what I suspected pretty much from episode 1, that livia's mission is dan. But I didn't quite predict that her exact mission was to "keep him on track" as opposed to correct history in some way.

[betts4]

Jack somehow never found the right part to fix it, or more likely never found an original part (which matters to these car restoring type people). A little weird that Dan can just walk into a garage and get one when Jack's apparently been looking for years. :D

Ah, the original part. Flashback to Married with Children and the search for an original car part for Al's car. Whatever that was.

Okay, original makes sense. I also figured Dan picked it up from the garage the Komalchak (?) brothers worked at back in 2000 from the comment the older brother made to him or maybe one of them helped him find it in 2007.

[scottykempf]

Ah, the original part. Flashback to Married with Children and the search for an original car part for Al's car. Whatever that was.

Okay, original makes sense. I also figured Dan picked it up from the garage the Komalchak (?) brothers worked at back in 2000 from the comment the older brother made to him or maybe one of them helped him find it in 2007.

I thought that was pretty clear. Jack said something like "They don't make them any more." Dan picked it up "from a friend who runs a garage." The Kowalchuk brother ran a garage. So he got it from him sometime in the past when it was still readily available.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I thought that was pretty clear. Jack said something like "They don't make them any more." Dan picked it up "from a friend who runs a garage." The Kowalchuk brother ran a garage. So he got it from him sometime in the past when it was still readily available.
Right, but Jack's been working on the car for decades. So realistically, as soon as the ignition got damaged he would have started looking for the part, which was the exact same time Dan picked it up.

But that's a geeky quibble. I really don't mind.

Not too much.

It's not like it ruins the show or anything.

But it would have been better if...

But I don't mind. Not really.

Because that would be geeky.

And I'm not geeky. Oh, no sir! Not me!

[unicorngoddess]

Okay, so apparently Dan's memory isn't altered by any changes that he makes. That kinda just makes my head hurt thinking of an infinate number of alternate timelines that must be existing out there.

But why does he have to be so slow about realizing it. I knew as soon as he saved those two people that there would be no story for him to be working on in the future...why couldn't he realize that too? Instead, he makes himself look like a loon by saying he'll have the story ready soon...what story? DUH!

I'm thinking that there's a bigger conspirocy going on. There's a bigger picture. I'm pretty sure its gotta involve Dan's dad, that professor guy and now this bomber guy.

[spikedavis]

Interestingly enough-I just assumed that Dan could only travel within his own lifetime-like Sam Beckett. But Livia traveled to a year and a half after her "Death". I'm really interested in all the little mysteries being set by this show.

All the emotion is earned-which other shows basically ignore. The scene where he witnesses his wife confess in the past that she's not sure she loves Dan was heartbreaking. Imagine witnessing that!

[Rob Helmerichs]

Interestingly enough-I just assumed that Dan could only travel within his own lifetime-like Sam Beckett. But Livia traveled to a year and a half after her "Death". I'm really interested in all the little mysteries being set by this show.
Except she didn't die, and for all we know she's traveling from our future... (Although her lack of knowledge of Dan's life after the plane crash is a complicating factor in figuring out when she comes from...)

And of course there's no reason to believe that he can only travel within his lifetime. We already know the "rules" are completely different from Quantum Leap (Dan doesn't inhabit other peoples' bodies), and why shouldn't they be?

[betts4]

I thought that was pretty clear. Jack said something like "They don't make them any more." Dan picked it up "from a friend who runs a garage." The Kowalchuk brother ran a garage. So he got it from him sometime in the past when it was still readily available.

I must have missed that, but thought that it had been a few years since Dan had driven it.

I did like Dan seeing himself at a younger age.

[MickeS]

Did anyone else notice the really bad overdubbing of the newspaper editor's voice as he handed Dan the dossier on the bombings? It was almost like one of those overdubs in "The Simpsons". :)

[JohnB1000]

I love this show.

That said I didn't enjoy this episode as much, I really felt it did not move the main story line along that much. No spoilers but it seems that next week's show will make up for that though :)

I did like the quiet way that they handled the change in the timeline.

It seems to me they are heading towards the brother being told about the disappearing sooner rather than later but who knows.

I also think that these stories, at least some of them, are interconnected.

[dswallow]

It seems to me they are heading towards the brother being told about the disappearing sooner rather than later but who knows.
I think he's going to figure it out himself. He probably heard Kate talk about having a time-traveling husband when she was making the audition tape; he had the future paper currency when he was chasing his brother in the past; and there's probably other such things I'm forgetting, plus future things that come up. He's already suspicious; he just hasn't quite allowed himself to believe a particularly strange explanation.

[betts4]

I feel a bit sorry for Jack's new almost girlfriend. It seems that they always get datus interruptus.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I feel a bit sorry for Jack's new almost girlfriend. It seems that they always get datus interruptus.
Me, I don't trust her. I think she's up to something.

[UTV2TiVo]

I am not really like Olivia and don't even see what she adds to the story except tension. (She is not as cool as Al was for Quantum Leap.)

But she's WAY easier on the eyes!

Oh and btw, her name is Livia...

[betts4]

But she's WAY easier on the eyes!

Oh and btw, her name is Livia...

Oops.

[crowfan]

OK, I must be missing something....when was it confirmed that Livia's mission is helping Dan? I must have missed that part.

[JETarpon]

OK, I must be missing something....when was it confirmed that Livia's mission is helping Dan? I must have missed that part.

When she showed up, the conversation went something like this:

Dan: "What are you doing here."
Livia: "I don't know. You must be getting off track."

[WinBear]

Livia always shows up in the 2nd act and optionally after that. He never sees her on the first backstep.

[busyba]

He never sees her on the first backstep.
It's not a "backstep", it's a "leap". DUH!!!


:)

[TonyTheTiger]

It's not a "backstep", it's a "leap". DUH!!!


:)


No, it's a journey, man!!!!

[bdlucas]

I still suggest that all the people he's saving may be connected somehow, and will play a part in something big to come...
It sure looks like things are headed that way.

[bdlucas]

Except she didn't die, and for all we know she's traveling from our future... (Although her lack of knowledge of Dan's life after the plane crash is a complicating factor in figuring out when she comes from...)
She didn't die in the crash?? Oh! You don't suppose she was on Oceanic 815 and she's been living on an island for... hmm...

[betts4]

When she showed up, the conversation went something like this:

Dan: "What are you doing here."
Livia: "I don't know. You must be getting off track."

I wonder who helped her when she got 'off track' in her journeys.

Honestly, I would love to see one or two episodes when she wasn't around. To show that he can do this by himself.

[JYoung]

Me, I don't trust her. I think she's up to something.

She's there to prevent Jack from learning the truth.

[appleye1]

I wonder who helped her when she got 'off track' in her journeys.

Honestly, I would love to see one or two episodes when she wasn't around. To show that he can do this by himself.I think they definitely need to beef up Livia's part a bit if they're going to keep her around.

I'm starting to wonder if she's a journeyman at all. Maybe she's just a figment of his imagination, an "angel on his shoulder" telling him things he already knows. I don't really believe that but so far her role has not been all that substantial.

[dtle]

I'm starting to wonder if she's a journeyman at all. Maybe she's just a figment of his imagination, an "angel on his shoulder" telling him things he already knows. I don't really believe that but so far her role has not been all that substantial.

She's real. In the earthquake episode, where Dan was supposed to have a drink with his boss' sister to delay her from dying, Livia was talking to Dan with she showed up. She left immediately, while Dan tried to strong-arm her to stay.

[stiffi]

At the risk of sounding too self-important, do you think the show's writers read this forum?

I ask because it seems like they DIRECTLY answer questions raised in posts here.

For instance, one of the first scenes was Dan and Katie talking about tracking the money. That was discussed a lot in last weeks thread.

Same thing with Livia, they threw us a bone there as well.

Then again, maybe we're just all so smart, that we know all the answers ;)

[Bulldog7]

She's there to prevent Jack from learning the truth.

And the truth is out there....oh wait, wrong show, wrong network. ;) ;) ;)
But seriously, I am starting to really like this show....not your typical time travel yarn, I must say. I too feel that there is a grand conspiracy, or plan, that will play out with
many people with whom he has interacted in the past, if not all of them. And his father may be the instigator of the whole enchilada....this is a fun show, especially until Lost comes back. I'm glad I have a free tuner on Monday at 10 to record it while I watch the hotties on CSI Miami for the eye candy-bad acting.

[jlb]

I too love this show.

In many ways, I hope that Dan doesn't tell Jack. I think that tension adds to the show.

Just sign Lowell.....er....sorry......wrong chant....Just keep Journeyman, just keep Journeyman!!!!!

[MickeS]

At the risk of sounding too self-important, do you think the show's writers read this forum?

I ask because it seems like they DIRECTLY answer questions raised in posts here.

For instance, one of the first scenes was Dan and Katie talking about tracking the money. That was discussed a lot in last weeks thread.

Same thing with Livia, they threw us a bone there as well.

Then again, maybe we're just all so smart, that we know all the answers ;)
I think writing, filming and editing the show in 6 days or so would be pretty hard. ;)
I think that so far the writers are just on the ball and know what's important about the story.

[crazywater]

Interestingly enough-I just assumed that Dan could only travel within his own lifetime-like Sam Beckett. But Livia traveled to a year and a half after her "Death". I'm really interested in all the little mysteries being set by this show.

All the emotion is earned-which other shows basically ignore. The scene where he witnesses his wife confess in the past that she's not sure she loves Dan was heartbreaking. Imagine witnessing that!
And if Livia is traveling to a time after her "death" then isn't she really traveling back to a time when she in fact was probably traveling somewhere else which would mean there are at least two Livia's and probably more out there? OUCH!

[Fahtrim]

I think writing, filming and editing the show in 6 days or so would be pretty hard. ;)
I think that so far the writers are just on the ball and know what's important about the story.

bingo, these are already written, cut, etc.

[dswallow]

And if Livia is traveling to a time after her "death" then isn't she really traveling back to a time when she in fact was probably traveling somewhere else which would mean there are at least two Livia's and probably more out there? OUCH!
But she isn't dead yet (from the perspective of the main timeline).

She didn't die in the plane crash. People only thought she did. She actually "journeyed" off the plane before it crashed.

If you consider the lifetime of a person to be represented by a finite length thread, you can cut that thread into any number of segments and place each segment in a consecutive period of time. More than one segment can be in the same time period. There's simply only so much thread to go around. Though, at least so far, I don't see any particular reason travel couldn't occur to periods before or after someone's lifetime. There's still only so much thread that's gonna go around.

[balboa dave]

But she isn't dead yet (from the perspective of the main timeline).

She didn't die in the plane crash. People only thought she did. She actually "journeyed" off the plane before it crashed.

If you consider the lifetime of a person to be represented by a finite length thread, you can cut that thread into any number of segments and place each segment in a consecutive period of time. More than one segment can be in the same time period. There's simply only so much thread to go around. Though, at least so far, I don't see any particular reason travel couldn't occur to periods before or after someone's lifetime. There's still only so much thread that's gonna go around.She is not dead in Dan's time travel timeline, but even though she didn't die in the plane crash, she still could have died before "today's" time. It would explain why she doesn't seem to know about Dan's current life.

[jwjody]

Something I wonder about.

There seems to be something larger at work than time travel experimentation. The first few episodes you got to see what the result was of Dan's tracking. It was like some larger force had a view of the big picture and Dan was doing this to make things better.

I don't see this as some experiment gone awry or something. Unless there's someone in the future.

But I have a hard time seeing what the scientists in present day have to do with his ability.

J

[getbak]

I wonder who helped her when she got 'off track' in her journeys.
Dan's father?

[Indiana627]

Livia could be an "observer" much like Al was to Sam in Quantum Leap. Except Dan doesn't know she's in on the whole time traveling project. Maybe on her supposedly "doomed" flight she was recruited by the people that are now sending Dan on his Journeys. Maybe the time between her "death" and Dan's first journey, she was just being trained or the time traveling project was being finished. Then they needed someone to be the "journeyman" and Livia volunteered Dan. Just a thought.

Do we know what line of work Livia was in?

[Martha]

Do we know what line of work Livia was in?

I may be misremembering this, but when he ran into her in that restaurant early on, didn't he mention her going to law school?

[jlb]

My head hurts.

[danplaysbass]

Well in the 4400 we learned that

people from the future sent the 4400 back to "fix" things. Too bad it didn't quite work 0out how they planned. It rarely does when time travel is involved.

[jwjody]

Livia could be an "observer" much like Al was to Sam in Quantum Leap. Except Dan doesn't know she's in on the whole time traveling project. Maybe on her supposedly "doomed" flight she was recruited by the people that are now sending Dan on his Journeys. Maybe the time between her "death" and Dan's first journey, she was just being trained or the time traveling project was being finished. Then they needed someone to be the "journeyman" and Livia volunteered Dan. Just a thought.

Do we know what line of work Livia was in?
In one episode she said she was traveling before she met Dan but it stopped while they were together.

J

[Indiana627]

In one episode she said she was traveling before she met Dan but it stopped while they were together.

J
I had forgot about that.

[Bierboy]

I find myself watching this show before I watch Heroes....That was the choice I had this morning before getting on the treadmill....and Journeyman it was. It continues to get better.

[dianebrat]

But she's WAY easier on the eyes!

Oh and btw, her name is Livia...

Olivia should be acceptable, since Kevin Falls uses it on the Journeyman blog on NBC :cool:

[mrdbdigital]

It's the tachyons.

[Bierboy]

My head hurts.
I was just thinking the same thing....too much thinking...not enough enjoying :D

[Craigbob]

She's there to prevent Jack from learning the truth.

The truth is out there... :cool:

[Mr. Soze]

I think writing, filming and editing the show in 6 days or so would be pretty hard. ;)
I think that so far the writers are just on the ball and know what's important about the story.Unless THEY are time traveling, of course.

[busyba]

It's the tachyons.
It's the meers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1kOHbMUW9Q). :D

[Bryanmc]

I'm getting frustrated that Dan won't ask Livia where she's coming from, where she "lives" now.

[dianebrat]

It's the meers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1kOHbMUW9Q). :D

*snort*
we HAVE a winner.... you get my "quip of the day" award

[jwjody]

I'm getting frustrated that Dan won't ask Livia where she's coming from, where she "lives" now.
I thought he had at least once but then the person he's "tracking" appears and he has to run off.

J

[wprager]

Olivia should be acceptable, since Kevin Falls uses it on the Journeyman blog on NBC :cool:

I'm positive they used "Olivia" in one of the first few episodes. "Livia" and "Liv" are simply contractions of the full name.

[Mike20878]

Maybe Livia is in league with the group from Millenium (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097883/).

[mwhip]

Finally got to watch over the weekend. There is some larger conspiracy at work and it seems they are trying to fix "holes" in the past that could interfere with their plans. Also everyone has got to be connected in some way there is a reason why Livia and Dan do this. Not to mention who else might be involved we have not met yet.

Livia is in on it and not just there to get Dan adjusted but to maybe make him not want to ask questions.

Still it is going to take a while for this to develop I just hope the ratings are enough to keep it around to do so.

[mattack]

I never used the word "upset", or even inferred that. I was just commenting that this show opened up a new set of ideas for her.

You said "Big mistake", which some people have interpreted as not a joke. (I inferred it as a joke.)

[Mike20878]

You said "Big mistake", which some people have interpreted as not a joke. (I inferred it as a joke.)

Maybe those who didn't get that it was a joke don't have kids? I got it...

[Havana Brown]

My head hurts too. I just don't understand the Livia thing.

I did find a continuity error though. When Dan was at the garage and the mechanic was taking off his left glove they showed it twice. Wooo hoo, I don't usually pick up on stuff like that the way some of y'all do.

[JohnB1000]

My head hurts too. I just don't understand the Livia thing.

I did find a continuity error though. When Dan was at the garage and the mechanic was taking off his left glove they showed it twice. Wooo hoo, I don't usually pick up on stuff like that the way some of y'all do.

Time travel not continuity error :) A mini jump

[busyba]

I did find a continuity error though. When Dan was at the garage and the mechanic was taking off his left glove they showed it twice.
Deja vu is just a glitch in The Matrix.

[Sherminator]

Maybe Livia is in league with the group from Millenium (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097883/).Thank you, that was the first thing that I thought of concerning Livia's death in a plane crash & subsequent reappearances.