Heroes 10/29/2007 (S02E06) "The Line" [Text View]

terpfan1980

10-29-2007, 09:03 PM

HRG is definitely a bad man. Possibly a good guy, but a bad man.

Had to love the head cheerleader getting suspended for the drinking.

And I still wish they hadn't brought back Sylar/Gabriel.

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Not sick of Hiro at all. (above moved from thread started about 2 mins after this one.... ;) ) This noted after seeing Doug's comments.

I still like Hiro a lot but wish they'd wrap up the past and get him back to modern times.

scottykempf

10-29-2007, 09:06 PM

So it's 28 Days Later?

Shakhari

10-29-2007, 09:07 PM

Claire certainly has a vindictive streak. At least she didn't drive the girl into a wall.

So is Maya the new Ted?

terpfan1980

10-29-2007, 09:19 PM

So is Maya the new Ted?It seems that way to me, but then again didn't seem to be implied in the vision of the future that Peter was seeing (at least it doesn't seem like what we saw last year with a future version of New York shown post apocalypse).

WinBear

10-29-2007, 09:22 PM

Why doesn't Alejandro just heal the victims in their wake like he did Gabriel? Maybe just enough to keep them from dying or following them.

It's kind of funny how Nikki conveniently missed seeing her husband's cousin at The Company facility.

Turtleboy

10-29-2007, 09:25 PM

That ain't Nikki. That's Jessica.

Shaunnick

10-29-2007, 09:34 PM

That ain't Nikki. That's Jessica.

Yep.

I hope everyone who has been complaining about this year will be satisfied with this episode. A lot of intriguing new details. Adam Munroe, whoever he is, is apparently in league with Peter, Hiro may turn out to be the Kensei of legend after all, HRG really is more of an SOB than I thought he was, oh, and Claire and her boyfriend, perfect examples of teenagers with too much power, IMHO. Great episode! :up:

Turtleboy

10-29-2007, 09:37 PM

Slight spoilers on Adam Monroe.

http://heroeswiki.com/Adam_Monroe

Apparently

He is one of the 12 in that photograph

lachacg

10-29-2007, 09:39 PM

Who is the man with the gun in the painting? I can pretty much figure out most of the others.

Shaunnick

10-29-2007, 09:43 PM

Who is the man with the gun in the painting? I can pretty much figure out most of the others.

Mohinder

jsmeeker

10-29-2007, 10:02 PM

Hiro story line is still lame.

Good to see Noah getting nasty again. Just like old times. "Nikki" helping out? Heh... NOT. :) So, is Bob good or not?

The prank Claire and West pulled seem lame. Not something you would do if you are trying to keep your powers secret.

Still, I love this show. Highlights were Noah and The Haitian. And Sylar remembering that he is really creepy.

scottykempf

10-29-2007, 10:05 PM

More fake backgrounds.

pantherman007

10-29-2007, 10:11 PM

The prank Claire and West pulled seem lame. Not something you would do if you are trying to keep your powers secret.

I have to think that there would be at least a little bloodstain on the school's steps after Claire fell from that height.

jsmeeker

10-29-2007, 10:15 PM

I have to think that there would be at least a little bloodstain on the school's steps after Claire fell from that height.

I was wondering about that too.. But whatever. Claire is a cheerleader again. :)

( I thought they would have humiliated her in a much more public way, in front of the whole school)

AJRitz

10-29-2007, 10:15 PM

Hiro broke time :eek:

Oops.

jsmeeker

10-29-2007, 10:17 PM

When he said Space/Time continuum, it was like I was watching Star Trek: TNG.

vertigo235

10-29-2007, 10:24 PM

When he said Space/Time continuum, it was like I was watching Star Trek: TNG.

I'm sure he's a fan.

Plus his dad was on TOS so give him a break :D

dswallow

10-29-2007, 10:25 PM

If I were a terrorist, I'd plan something big for June 14, 2008.

Johnny Dancing

10-29-2007, 10:43 PM

geez isn't Clair's one task to lay low. He father took a bullet to save her last year. Now when she gets back in trouble I will need to root against her.

FilmCritic3000

10-30-2007, 12:07 AM

More fake backgrounds.

Yeah, wasn't that glaring? I was pulled out of the moment during that scene. All I could think was, "This is a network series in prime time and they're just going to keep going with these distractingly fake backgrounds?"

I mean, I know NBC is in 4th place but c'mon...spend a little money when it counts.

dswallow

10-30-2007, 12:11 AM

I don't find the "fake" backgrounds all that objectionable. I didn't really think there was any time in this episode where a background looked terribly out of place. Yes, there've been a few I'd call glaring this season, but so what? It's not that big a deal. I get the point whether it's a bad composite screen or a good one, and that's enough for the story.

If there's anything to complain about it's the absolute boredom evoked everytime we're dwelling on Hiro in the past. Hiro was great comic relief last season, but it's completely missing this season. Now he's just annoying.

stalemate

10-30-2007, 12:53 AM

<pause>

"Space Time Continuum"

<unpause>

Smoooooooch!!! :p

That kills me.

Knives of Ice

10-30-2007, 01:28 AM

jstack

10-30-2007, 01:48 AM

This season has been such a disappointment. I used to look forward to Monday nights, but now it's just meh.

alansh

10-30-2007, 02:32 AM

Well, I'm still a fan. I'm willing to wait for a payoff. Now, if there isn't one I'll be annoyed.

The Times Square backdrop looked fine, but the lighting on the actors was wrong which really made it look off.

BTW, there was a St. Joan (from the 9th Wonders! comic) billboard in Times Square.

wprager

10-30-2007, 05:50 AM

This season has been such a disappointment. I used to look forward to Monday nights, but now it's just meh.

You can still look forward to The Journeyman :)

Uncle Briggs

10-30-2007, 06:22 AM

( I thought they would have humiliated her in a much more public way, in front of the whole school)That's what I was hoping for. I think she got off easy.

Gunnyman

10-30-2007, 06:45 AM

Anybody hope Mexitwin brother really understands English? :p

Rob Helmerichs

10-30-2007, 06:57 AM

Anybody hope Mexitwin brother really understands English? :p
I assumed he did. There wouldn't be much point to the scene otherwise, since we already know that Sylar is a somewhat flawed individual...

Indiana627

10-30-2007, 07:13 AM

This season has been such a disappointment. I used to look forward to Monday nights, but now it's just meh.
I agree. This show has quickly turned into what took the X-Files many years to do - a big tease. Seemingly lots of potential that ends up going nowhere.

And did anyone go to a high school where the cheerleaders wore their uniforms everyday? Claire now has been at two such schools. (Not that I'm complaining or anything. :D)

cheesesteak

10-30-2007, 07:25 AM

The Hiro plot line is bad.

The Claire plot line is worse. Last year it was "Save the cheerleader. Save the world." Now it's "Get the cheerleader off my tv." Can't stand West.

At least the other plot lines are interesting.

I wonder if this show will be like Lost where I went from being totally in love with it to half hating it within a year or so.

danplaysbass

10-30-2007, 07:35 AM

I agree with others that Maya is the cause of the evacuation of New York.

The scene with Jessica and Mohinder was quite chilling. He should have listened to HRG.

I am curious about this adam guy but I don't really like the irish chick hanging on peter.

dimented

10-30-2007, 07:46 AM

I didn't think about Maya being the cause of the evacuation. I thought it was going to be because of them experimenting with the virus that kills Heroes and it mutating and getting in the public. I guess I just assumed that since they have mentioned so many times about it possibly getting out into the public.

Cragmyre

10-30-2007, 07:47 AM

I don't think it is Maya that is the cause of the problem, but the "antidote" that Ben wanted to inject into Micha's cousin. Suresh said that if the strain got crossed ( or something ) it could cross over into ordinary humans.

This year doesn't have the same oomph for me, but it is still a show I watch semi-live ( as in the night it airs ).

NoThru22

10-30-2007, 07:54 AM

I thought these past two episodes have been decent, terrible backdrops aside. I like the Hiro story.

Dawghows

10-30-2007, 08:08 AM

Up until this episode, Claire's storyline was the only thing I was enjoying so far this season. Now I'm not liking that any more either. I agree with whoever said above that it was a good depiction of teenagers with too much power at their disposal, but unfortunately the fact that it was insightful doesn't automatically make it interesting. As a concept, I think it was commendable, but the execution was pretty lame.

This was the number one go-to show in our house last season, so I am willing to stick with them to see if things get better. But I can't remember the last time I lost interest in a show as quickly as I have lost interest in this one. Bummer....

TAsunder

10-30-2007, 08:41 AM

I still like this show and look forward to it. I just wish the writers would stop re-using plotlines from last season and stop with the isaac trickery. It's cheap.

Mikkel_Knight

10-30-2007, 09:05 AM

I wonder if this show will be like Lost where I went from being totally in love with it to half hating it within a year or so.
It's swiftly becoming that way for me...

I'm TIRED of the future crap.

#1, Tell us what happened 5 months ago already.

#2, we get it. Hiro is actually the Kensai of legend - yippie. Get him back and just use his story line on the webcomic.

#3, kill the twins and scrap whatever story arc you've got for this season because unless it picks up, the show will lose lots of viewers...

MasterCephus

10-30-2007, 09:13 AM

I liked this episode...

I think we are going to find out like we did with Noah last year that the company might not be all bad, there is going to be a shade that we are going to see where we will understand the need for the company, but we don't like the way they do their job sometimes.

I new person (Adam Monroe) in the mix...it will be interesting to find out who he is, and how he fits into the picture.

I really don't like the Hiro storyline, but I really want to know how it fits in with the present time. I think we all know that Hiro is the Kensei from history, or pushes the real Kensei to being the hero from history...but what does that do for the present? There is something that is going to happen that is going to reflect to the present...I think it's going to be jaw dropping.

unicorngoddess

10-30-2007, 09:18 AM

I'm TIRED of the future crap.

#1, Tell us what happened 5 months ago already.

#2, we get it. Hiro is actually the Kensai of legend - yippie. Get him back and just use his story line on the webcomic.

#3, kill the twins and scrap whatever story arc you've got for this season because unless it picks up, the show will lose lots of viewers...

I feel the same way. I REALLY enjoyed last week's episode, but as soon as I saw the Mexitwins back last night I knew this episode wasn't gonna be as good. I was hoping to learn more about Mr. Parkman this week.

And I really don't think we need another future episode before we get the scoop on what happened 4 months ago.

But I'm still sure that towards the end this will all come together to form a bigger picture for us.

TAsunder

10-30-2007, 09:19 AM

I don't think kensei is going to be the legendary hero at all. The paintings seem to indicate that he and hiro will have to do battle with one another.

cmontyburns

10-30-2007, 09:39 AM

Time's James Poniewozik captures my feelings about this season perfectly in his blog entry (http://time-blog.com/tuned_in/2007/10/heroes_watch.html) on last night's episode (see the link for his full commentary):

According to the Times, Kring told the paper, "'We haven't deviated that much' from last year's formula."

Um, that's kind of the problem, no? (Granted, "formula" was the LA Times' word, but can anyone argue that it was the wrong word choice?) Don't get me wrong: I believe that serial shows like Heroes and Lost need time to develop before you write off entire seasons, and I actually still have faith that even Hiro's samurai sojourn will end up being relevant to the larger story. My problem with the season so far is not too many extra characters or storylines; it's that the strategy, as far as I can see one, has beeen to reboot the show and try to give people something as close as possible to the show they liked last year. Thus the arbitrary scattering of the Heroes to the winds just so they could come together again--because that's what they did last year. Thus Claire experiencing the same issues in high school, thus another scene of devastated Manhattan.

I'm willing to give Kring the patience to see where he takes the story. But I hope he gives his audience the credit for wanting something more than a second version of what he gave them last year. Just ask Hiro: going back in time and recreating history isn't as easy as you might think.

allan

10-30-2007, 09:43 AM

I agree. I still like this show, but I think they're trying to recapture past glory when they should be creating NEW glory.

ruexp67

10-30-2007, 10:17 AM

I laughed out loud at the scene with Peter and the irish chick. She says, "Let's go." He says "No." She says "But I realllly wannnnaaa go." He just nods.

That might have been the worst acting I have EVER seen, ever. Suddnly Howard the duck's rating on IMDb just shot WAY up. :rolleyes:

It is really sad that they have paralleled so MANY of last years story lines. Of course, they didn't bring them ALL back, but they left out the better ones.

It's just dissapointing to me, when a Show like Pushing Daisies with such a small cast, and such a narrow premise can come up with interesting and unique stories EVERY week. And a show like Heroes, with so SO many characters and the ability to add new and interesting characters at will, is repeating itself SO blatently.

I LOVED this show last season, but I am really losing interest in it this year.

bobcarn

10-30-2007, 10:26 AM

I agree. I was disappointed as soon as heard Sylar would be back for the new season. They came up with a hit show, and now don't want to deviate from what they did last year. I still enjoy the show, but it just has too much deja vu now. Last season we see an apocalypse that gets averted at the end of the season, this year is the same. If the plague wiped out most of mankind's population, they could at least have shown us a different devastated city instead of centering on the Big Apple again.

Mixed feelings on Bob. I don't trust the Company, but he did back off. I'm pretty sure, along with everyone else, that it was Jessica they got teamed up with Mohinder. I wonder how they got her to agree. She was pretty much out of control last time we saw her.

As for HRG, I definitely dislike his approach. I don't care how much good he's claiming to try to accomplish, he's a bad guy.

WinBear

10-30-2007, 10:40 AM

Ah, this week's webcomic covers some of Noah's history with the "liquid man" that Ivan mentioned in passing during the episode.

ruexp67

10-30-2007, 10:44 AM

As for HRG, I definitely dislike his approach. I don't care how much good he's claiming to try to accomplish, he's a bad guy.

Don't ever watch '24' then. ;) :D

Rob Helmerichs

10-30-2007, 10:48 AM

Mixed feelings on Bob. I don't trust the Company, but he did back off.
My guess is that he pretended to back off in order to keep Mohinder working for him and under his control. His alternatives were let Mohinder back into the wild (which I don't think is an option for him), kill him, or placate him. But I don't think his methods are going to change one iota, just what he does in front of Mohinder.

(Unless Bob is this year's HRG and really has a heart of gold, but I also don't think they're adhering to last year's pattern as much as they seem to be; I think they're leading us on and setting us up.)

spikedavis

10-30-2007, 11:16 AM

If my guess about Kenzei is right-the Hiro story-line is going to pay off in dividends.

NinerK

10-30-2007, 11:48 AM

I loved how Claire and West turned the tables on the head cheerleader; though frankly I just don't buy the drinking-from-a-bottle-in-a-bag behavior as well as drawing on the foreheads of the other cheerleaders.

I'm so sick of Hiro.

+1 on the cheerleader's outlandish behavior, however, I'm sure the "attitude" exists.

Wouldn't it have been easier for Claire to get in the cheerleader's face? :confused:

IMO, "turning the tables" and getting someone arrested are two entirely different concepts.

dswallow

10-30-2007, 11:50 AM

IMO, "turning the tables" and getting someone arrested are two entirely different concepts.
It's nice that the police are actually good for something sometimes. :)

NinerK

10-30-2007, 11:51 AM

If I were a terrorist, I'd plan something big for June 14, 2008.

:down:

getreal

10-30-2007, 11:57 AM

I am curious about this adam guy but I don't really like the irish chick hanging on peter.
Total speculation on my part -- based simply on a first name -- so I won't spoiler it:

I wonder if Adam will have an Eve and they will prove to be the parents of all the "heroes", as they will have immortality as their power.

NinerK

10-30-2007, 11:58 AM

It's nice that the police are actually good for something sometimes. :)

True, just last Saturday we left our House Alarm FOB out by accident and my son pressed the panic button. No call from the alarm company but the cops were at my door in about 5 minutes. :up:

Sadly, that was faster than the ambulance arrived when my son had a 106 fever one night last summer. :down:

cwoody222

10-30-2007, 12:00 PM

Yawn. I was literally falling asleep during last night's episode. The only storyline I remotely care about is Peter and nothing happened except for in the span of 1 episode he got from Ireland to Montreal.

Hiro... boring. Mean girl cheerleaders... boring. Mohinder doing the 'right thing'... boring. HRG being more bad than recently... eh, OK.

And - worse yet - ANOTHER "oh no! look at the future! we better fix it!" story. COME ON!

getreal

10-30-2007, 12:04 PM

I'm starting to think that when Hiro broke the space-time continuum, that The Company turned Good and HRG turned Evil.

ETA: Sylar should've stayed dead. I suppose the stuff flashing through his eyes in the SF last year was his powers escaping where we thought it was his life flashing and him dying.

Sirius Black

10-30-2007, 12:27 PM

Any speculation as to who white beard is? Have we seen him yet?

The only story I'm not enjoying even a little bit is Sylar and the wonder twins.

uncdrew

10-30-2007, 12:34 PM

So if Claire and West do some freaky mutant sex...

Will Claire's body regenerate into a virgin?

Rob Helmerichs

10-30-2007, 12:35 PM

I wonder if Adam will have an Eve and they will prove to be the parents of all the "heroes", as they will have immortality as their power.
Well, I've been assuming all along that Kensei is the founder of the Company (given his use of the Company symbol in Old Japan) and possibly the genetic origin of all the Heroes...

Genesis, Generations...I wonder if Season 3 will be Genocide? :D

allan

10-30-2007, 12:38 PM

One question. Did they copy the "destroyed New York" scene from S1? It looked very familiar to me. Or maybe all destroyed New Yorks just look alike. :p

jsmeeker

10-30-2007, 12:39 PM

One question. Did they copy the "destroyed New York" scene from S1? It looked very familiar to me. Or maybe all destroyed New Yorks just look alike. :p

It really wasn's destroyed like it was in Season 1. It was just totally abandonded.

danterner

10-30-2007, 12:45 PM

I assumed he did. There wouldn't be much point to the scene otherwise, since we already know that Sylar is a somewhat flawed individual...

He's a villain - therefore he monologues.

mrmike

10-30-2007, 12:52 PM

He's a villain - therefore he monologues.

That's not a monologue, it's a zero-phase soliloquy (you can tell because the sister is doing something that should take 3 seconds and never comes back into hearing range during the whole thing)

cheesesteak

10-30-2007, 01:01 PM

Sylar shouldn't even be in this season's story.

allan

10-30-2007, 01:09 PM

Sylar shouldn't even be in this season's story.

Not even if he kills the Mexitwins? :D

TAsunder

10-30-2007, 01:10 PM

Any speculation as to who white beard is? Have we seen him yet?

The only story I'm not enjoying even a little bit is Sylar and the wonder twins.

He was the guy who shot at hiro and the swordsmith's daughter. He had a fleck of white in his beard. He also appeared at the end and thanked kensei, etc.

Also worth noting, in Odessa we learn that the haitian did not "initially" have the power to erase memory. It seems that, like parkman, his ability has multiple facets to it. Could it be that many/most/all of the heroes have powers that do more than they think?

bobcarn

10-30-2007, 01:12 PM

My guess is that he pretended to back off in order to keep Mohinder working for him and under his control. His alternatives were let Mohinder back into the wild (which I don't think is an option for him), kill him, or placate him. But I don't think his methods are going to change one iota, just what he does in front of Mohinder.

(Unless Bob is this year's HRG and really has a heart of gold, but I also don't think they're adhering to last year's pattern as much as they seem to be; I think they're leading us on and setting us up.)

Yeah. I'm thinking that too. With shows like this though, I usually don't spend a lot of time trying to "figure out" the people and motives, since it all changes at the whim of the writers. They were originally going to switch the cast around until they saw how popular some characters (and the show in general) were, so they changed their plans during the first season. They may keep HRG as the "good" guy who makes tough decisions, and keep the Company as being bad. Or they may make the company as morally ambiguous as HRG and make HRG the bad guy again.

That's one thing I like about the British shows.... they're perfectly happy with sticking to their plans. If they plan a show to last one season, it lasts one season and the actors and writers move on to new projects. In corporate America, as soon as something becomes popular, the "formula" is nursed until everyone tires of it.

bobcarn

10-30-2007, 01:15 PM

Sylar shouldn't even be in this season's story.
:up: :up: :up:

The fact he is irritates me to no ends!

Well, I'm onboard for this season. It's still a fun ride even with the bumps. Whether I'll ride it again depends on how the season ends.

borther

10-30-2007, 01:18 PM

Is it just me? I'm tired of people that just whine about the show. If you don't like the show, don't watch. Then the rest of us won't have to read your.

I don't care one way or the other if you like or dislike the show. We don't need your approval or disapproval. It just becomes useless clutter (much like this post).

I am very interested in your take and observations. Write something interesting enough for others to want to read.

MickeS

10-30-2007, 01:23 PM

Yeah. I'm thinking that too. With shows like this though, I usually don't spend a lot of time trying to "figure out" the people and motives, since it all changes at the whim of the writers. They were originally going to switch the cast around until they saw how popular some characters (and the show in general) were, so they changed their plans during the first season. They may keep HRG as the "good" guy who makes tough decisions, and keep the Company as being bad. Or they may make the company as morally ambiguous as HRG and make HRG the bad guy again.

That's one thing I like about the British shows.... they're perfectly happy with sticking to their plans. If they plan a show to last one season, it lasts one season and the actors and writers move on to new projects. In corporate America, as soon as something becomes popular, the "formula" is nursed until everyone tires of it.

Yes I agree. Some shows would be better off ending when they were supposed to...

...but I have to say in "Heroes" case, it's more about the execution. There must have been lots of stories to be able to come up with after last season, and they choose to parrot last season's stories? It's ridiculous to make NYC the target yet AGAIN, for example.

I still enjoy the show, but "Journeyman" and "Chuck" both get watched before "Heroes" this season.

DevdogAZ

10-30-2007, 01:26 PM

They really just need to start combining the stories of the characters. I was glad when the MexiTwins hooked up with Sylar, and now Niki/Jessica is hooked up with Mohinder. Hopefully Hiro will soon return and get paired up with others, and we'll start to get some traction on the story.

Kablemodem

10-30-2007, 01:31 PM

Is it just me? I'm tired of people that just whine about the show. If you don't like the show, don't watch. Then the rest of us won't have to read your.

I don't care one way or the other if you like or dislike the show. We don't need your approval or disapproval. It just becomes useless clutter (much like this post).

I agree and it happens in other threads, which makes the forum somewhat unpleasant to read.

dswallow

10-30-2007, 01:40 PM

At least first-person whining has a basis related to the show; second-person whining (about other people whining)... well, that's just whining unrelated to the show and has no place here.

There's plenty of shows that simply have been better in prior episodes, and why shouldn't loyal fans complain about those instances? It's a perfectly valid topic of discussion here.

balboa dave

10-30-2007, 01:50 PM

At least first-person whining has a basis related to the show; second-person whining (about other people whining)... well, that's just whining unrelated to the show and has no place here.Yeah, like third-person complaining helps. There's plenty of shows that simply have been better in prior episodes, and why shouldn't loyal fans complain about those instances? It's a perfectly valid topic of discussion here. But it's not loyal fan complaints. It's selfish whining not about what the show is, but what the complainer expects it to be. Loyal fans are able to relax and let the story unfold at it's own pace.

dswallow

10-30-2007, 01:54 PM

Yeah, like third-person complaining helps. But it's not loyal fan complaints. It's selfish whining not about what the show is, but what the complainer expects it to be. Loyal fans are able to relax and let the story unfold at it's own pace.
Expectations are set up in prior episodes; i.e., they've done MUCH better, noticably better, before, and now it's not that great. Discussing it allows input from others; perhaps even a different point of view. For example, Friday Night Lights is a downer right now... but that may be important to what's to come; but for the moment, much discussion surrounds how "wrong" everything feels compared to the first season. That's a discussion point. Some may think it's complaining, and it is, but it's not complaining about expectations of how other posters should behave, but complaining about the show itself, which is what makes it a valid topic of discussion. Unlike complaining about people complaining.

I'm not complaining about people whining about people complaining, either. I'm discussing how one group is contributing to the discussion and the other isn't, contrary to what at least one member of that group complained about.

Follow that? :p

allan

10-30-2007, 01:56 PM

Yeah, like third-person complaining helps. But it's not loyal fan complaints. It's selfish whining not about what the show is, but what the complainer expects it to be. Loyal fans are able to relax and let the story unfold at it's own pace.

One doesn't remain a "loyal fan" if the show is jumping sharks. IMO, Heroes has taken a wrong turn, and we have the right to gripe about it. And, can we quit whining about whiners and get back to whining about the show, please? :)

Uther

10-30-2007, 01:57 PM

Please stop calling them MexiTwins. They aren't Mexicans!

Magister

10-30-2007, 02:01 PM

JYoung

10-30-2007, 02:27 PM

I'm not complaining about people whining about people complaining, either. I'm discussing how one group is contributing to the discussion and the other isn't, contrary to what at least one member of that group complained about.

Follow that? :p

I'm complaining about your complaining about people whining about people complaining.

dswallow

10-30-2007, 02:30 PM

I'm complaining about your complaining about people whining about people complaining.
But I wasn't complaining.

MickeS

10-30-2007, 02:35 PM

The important thing to remember is that we all think this season is worse than the first.

MasterCephus

10-30-2007, 02:48 PM

The important thing to remember is that we all think this season is worse than the first.

The problem has a lot to do with the fact that the newness has worn off of the show. I think a lot of people liked the show because it was new and the show was throwing everything it had at you to get you hooked.

IMO, it has a lot of people hooked now, so the show looks more long term (keeping cast members, prolonging the plot, etc). This seems to happen to a lot of shows after the first season or so (think lost).

I think this season is different, but compared to crap reality TV, this show is as good as it gets.

Give the show a chance in the second season before you write it off.

DevdogAZ

10-30-2007, 03:01 PM

Please stop calling them MexiTwins. They aren't Mexicans!
Should we call them GuateTwins? HonduraTwins? CostaTwins? Do we actually know what country they originated in other than that it was somewhere south of Mexico?

Mikkel_Knight

10-30-2007, 03:10 PM

Should we call them GuateTwins? HonduraTwins? CostaTwins? Do we actually know what country they originated in other than that it was somewhere south of Mexico?
I'd absolutely love to call them those "stupid characters from the beginning of Season Two that the writers forced upon us and made us hate", but that's just too long so either wonder-twins or mexitwins sticks...

Mikkel_Knight

10-30-2007, 03:13 PM

The problem has a lot to do with the fact that the newness has worn off of the show. I think a lot of people liked the show because it was new and the show was throwing everything it had at you to get you hooked.

IMO, it has a lot of people hooked now, so the show looks more long term (keeping cast members, prolonging the plot, etc). This seems to happen to a lot of shows after the first season or so (think lost).

I think this season is different, but compared to crap reality TV, this show is as good as it gets.

Give the show a chance in the second season before you write it off.
The trouble is, we loyal viewers were left with a MASSIVE cliff-hanger at the end of Season One and we've been forced to wait (now) over four weeks to find out what happened whereas a show like Lost picked up where it left off.

What the S2 premier should have done was tease us with about a half hour or so of the scene with Sylar/Peter in NY providing some resolution and then do a fade-to-black fast-forward to "5 months from now".

We're 5 weeks into the new season, and we've gotten ZERO answers from last season.

That's BS.

cwoody222

10-30-2007, 03:39 PM

EW sums up my feelings pretty well.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20155663,00.html

We're 5 weeks into the new season, and we've gotten ZERO answers from last season.

That's BS.

Actually, last night was episode SIX! ;)

getreal

10-30-2007, 04:04 PM

I'm tired of people that just whine about the show.
I don't care one way or the other if you like or dislike the show.
Make up your mind, borther. You seem to have contradicted yourself from one sentence to the next.
:D

PS I also don't care for people who ONLY threadcrap. But criticizing certain characters and plot points in a show we are all watching doesn't equate with "threadcrappers", IMHO.

The way I see it, if you hate the show, don't join in on the forum discussions for that show.

But if you are frustrated with a show you are trying to like, it's okay to express those opinions.

MickeS

10-30-2007, 04:15 PM

I'd absolutely love to call them those "stupid characters from the beginning of Season Two that the writers forced upon us and made us hate", but that's just too long so either wonder-twins or mexitwins sticks...
I do not get the hate for the characters. The only criticism I have is that their progression has been too slow, they've essentially done the same thing over and over now in every episode.

I would have preferred having new characters "forced" upon me rather than seeing the tired rehashing of the other characters.

Sirius Black

10-30-2007, 04:44 PM

There is a reason beyond being nice that the bald guy gave what's her name the iPod full of video for her to learn with.

There better be significant fallout from Hrg's murder of the Russian guy. His obsession of protecting claire will in the end backfire on him.

This show needs more Kristen Bell. Evil lightening killer or not.

danterner

10-30-2007, 04:47 PM

There is a reason beyond being nice that the bald guy gave what's her name the iPod full of video for her to learn with.

You mean, product placement? ;)

allan

10-30-2007, 05:01 PM

This show needs more Kristen Bell. Evil lightening killer or not.

+100! She brings a certain spark to the show. :D

dswallow

10-30-2007, 05:16 PM

There is a reason beyond being nice that the bald guy gave what's her name the iPod full of video for her to learn with.
Though he (1) mentioned plumbing which ought to generally be more a skill than a muscle memory and (2) he didn't provide a charger.

Kablemodem

10-30-2007, 05:18 PM

he didn't provide a charger.

Her cousin can charge it with his hands.

JimSpence

10-30-2007, 06:05 PM

...
This show needs more Kristen Bell. Evil lightening killer or not. :up: Hopefully here character will have more face time next week. (I didn't watch the previews.)

They have added too many characters to the show. We got the twins, Micha's cousin and KB. This just spreads out the story and the viewers lose track of what's what. I agree with a previous poster that wants some of the characters to reunite to consolidate the story a bit.

Turtleboy

10-30-2007, 06:27 PM

The trouble is, we loyal viewers were left with a MASSIVE cliff-hanger at the end of Season One and we've been forced to wait (now) over four weeks to find out what happened whereas a show like Lost picked up where it left off.

What the S2 premier should have done was tease us with about a half hour or so of the scene with Sylar/Peter in NY providing some resolution and then do a fade-to-black fast-forward to "5 months from now".

We're 5 weeks into the new season, and we've gotten ZERO answers from last season.

That's BS.

Actually, Lost Season 2 didn't pick up where it left off, but focused on the people in the Tail Section and not the Characters we've come to know and love.

And you know what? That sucked too, and they ended up killing most of them off

Shaunnick

10-30-2007, 06:27 PM

The important thing to remember is that we all think this season is worse than the first.

I don't think that. I wouldn't say I feel the same way that I did last season, either. Right now, a story is building. Just like a Clancey novel. Yes a lot parallels last season. So far. As has been stated, the show will adjust to the viewership. If enough people don't like what is going on, they will go away, and they should. This is America, if you don't want it, stop buying it, and the market will adjust. I am enjoying the developing stories sofar, and am fully aware that there are 18 episodes left to go. That is a whole lotta plot development. And for all those complaining about too many storylines, quit surfing the web while you watch TV. There is such a thing as sensory overload. Now that my rant is done...

Any thoughts on Adam Munroe being one of the original 12? I think it is obvious HRG's old boss was one of the original also. And I really liked how sinister Sylar is becoming. Even without his powers he is getting a kick out of manipulating Maya into murder. :up: Too crazy.

smak

10-30-2007, 07:25 PM

I don't think the new season is all that bad, but I agree that things are going too slowly when they don't need to be.

We understood in episode 1 that the twins were headed to NY. We figured out their powers by episode 1 or 2. We shouldn't be seeing them enter the US all the way in episode 6. And not very close to NY. Unless i'm missing something on where they come from being important, why couldn't they just have been from Mexico. Maybe 100 miles from the border?

As for Hiro. I hope all this time being in the past leads to something more than him just fixing what he screwed up. That would be a lot of time wasted on what ends up as nothing changed.

-smak-

KungFuCow

10-30-2007, 07:40 PM

You mean, product placement? ;)

+1

Apple is dolling out the product placement dollars.. the iPhone is EVERYWHERE.. Ive seen it on Chuck, NCIS, Moonlight, Heros and a couple of others as well.

pcguru83

10-30-2007, 09:37 PM

Actually, Lost Season 2 didn't pick up where it left off, but focused on the people in the Tail Section and not the Characters we've come to know and love.

And you know what? That sucked too, and they ended up killing most of them off
Actually, Season 2 did pick up where it left off. Just in case...

Season 1 left us with Locke blowing the hatch off and then I believe he fell inside and Kate went after him. Something along those lines. Season 2 then picks up with Desmond bicycling on his stationary bike in the hatch when he hears the explosion. It picks up virtually exactly where it left off.

Granted, Season 2 did eventually get a bit off track with the story of the Tailies, but that wasn't until about midway through the season if I remember correctly.

Fahtrim

10-30-2007, 11:02 PM

this show and the storylines have gotten so horrible this season i think the only character that i actually find myself rooting for now is Sylar.

Jan can't come soon enough as i know the best show on tv The Wire surely won't let me down.

Couldn't agree more. WTF happened? Did our tastes change that much.

I say no, I say the suits stepped in and screwed this one up. (call out to Entourage)

MickeS

10-30-2007, 11:13 PM

Couldn't agree more. WTF happened? Did our tastes change that much.

I think the writers and producers are just trying to play it safe, and end up playing it TOO safe.

TivoFan

10-30-2007, 11:28 PM

I really enjoyed season 1 but I have a lot of problems with this season. Let's look at the storylines:

Peter - The suspense about what happened to him and how he got to where he is today, just isn't doing it for me. It's not suspenseful keeping me in the dark so much as it is just annoying.

Hiro - Went from being an adorable amusing core of the show, to a boring depressing tangent that doesn't have anything to do with anything.

Sylar/WonderTwins - Okay, I get it already. She cries the black tears. But you know what, I don't like her. All I know about her is that she's running away from the law, she kills people with her visine magic, and she's a little too close to her brother. They were so busy introducing this storyline that they didn't bother introducing the characters, and without fleshing out those characters you just can't like them.

Parkman/Suresh/Molly - So is the nightmare man the big bad? Or should we be worrying about the company? How does the virus fit into all this? This storyline is all over the place. I'm guessing this is the main storyline?

Claire/West - Young lovers. How does this fit into the show at all?

HRG/Haitian - Off in siberia doing who knows what.

Copycat girl/Technoboy - Can't remember their names, sorry. I like this storyline actually. These two characters have a lot of heart, which this show needs. But is it going to go anywhere? Or is this just another random storyline that doesn't tie into anything else?

Here are the Big problems (or maybe just the same problem from different viewpoints)

1) Too many storylines. I feel like I have A.D.D. watching this season.

2) All the storylines are isolated and don't interconnect. This was a problem with the first season too, but it started to pull together later on. It's just not as fun when everybody is in their separate corners. Get everybody out there and mix it up a little bit.

3) Too much mystery. How many episodes do we have to watch before a central theme/plot emerges? I get that they want to be mysterious and slowly discover what is going on, but right now I feel like I'm watching seven different shows in a blender.

emandbri

10-31-2007, 05:46 AM

I totally agree that season 2 hasn't been as good as season 1 and don't see anything wrong with saying so. It hasn't been all bad though, I thought last week's episode flight or fight was quite good. I just went back to the thread and out of 117 posts only 3 were really complaining about the show. This episode just really sucked. Hopefully someone at the show is checking out message boards, such as this one, and will make changes to get the show back on track.

Vendikarr

10-31-2007, 06:09 AM

We're 5 weeks into the new season, and we've gotten ZERO answers from last season.

That's BS.

If that's all you want from this season, come back for episode 8.

wprager

10-31-2007, 08:10 AM

There is a reason beyond being nice that the bald guy gave what's her name the iPod full of video for her to learn with.

I'm positive I would be smeeking, so I won't post the comment.

There better be significant fallout from Hrg's murder of the Russian guy. His obsession of protecting claire will in the end backfire on him.

That was cold-blooded murder and, I'm sorry, I just can't sweep it under the rug and continue saying that he's a good man forced to do bad things.

This show needs more Kristen Bell. Evil lightening killer or not.

Meh. I'd prefer better story lines. For visuals there's DWTS.

wprager

10-31-2007, 08:15 AM

I don't think that. I wouldn't say I feel the same way that I did last season, either. Right now, a story is building. Just like a Clancey novel. Yes a lot parallels last season. So far. As has been stated, the show will adjust to the viewership. If enough people don't like what is going on, they will go away, and they should. This is America, if you don't want it, stop buying it, and the market will adjust. I am enjoying the developing stories sofar, and am fully aware that there are 18 episodes left to go. That is a whole lotta plot development. And for all those complaining about too many storylines, quit surfing the web while you watch TV. There is such a thing as sensory overload. Now that my rant is done...

Any thoughts on Adam Munroe being one of the original 12? I think it is obvious HRG's old boss was one of the original also. And I really liked how sinister Sylar is becoming. Even without his powers he is getting a kick out of manipulating Maya into murder. :up: Too crazy.

Adam Monroe was mentioned as a founder of the company in the Heores Mobile Game.

stiffi

10-31-2007, 08:55 AM

Please stop calling them MexiTwins. They aren't Mexicans!

All we know about them is they speak Spanish and they run from the law. They could very well have started in Mexico, fled the law, and left the country.

Unless the writers spell it out, or someone here is a Linguist and can pick up on their Spanish dialect, I'm going with Mexi-twins.

P.S. It also sounds like something from a Taco Bell menu, which I like :)

"Come in for our new beefy, melty, Mexi-twins"!

NoThru22

10-31-2007, 09:09 AM

I'd put money on Adam Monroe being Kensei.

Mikkel_Knight

10-31-2007, 09:48 AM

His obsession of protecting claire will in the end backfire on him.
You've seen the 8th painting...

Mr. Soze

10-31-2007, 11:43 AM

That's one thing I like about the British shows.... they're perfectly happy with sticking to their plans. If they plan a show to last one season, it lasts one season and the actors and writers move on to new projects. In corporate America, as soon as something becomes popular, the "formula" is milked dry until everyone tires of it.FYP.

Although that's less true now. Life on Mars was going to be only one season, but the audience demanded a second. At least the writers had the guts to say OK, but THAT'S IT.

borther

10-31-2007, 01:13 PM

Make up your mind, borther. You seem to have contradicted yourself from one sentence to the next.
:D

PS I also don't care for people who ONLY threadcrap. But criticizing certain characters and plot points in a show we are all watching doesn't equate with "threadcrappers", IMHO.

The way I see it, if you hate the show, don't join in on the forum discussions for that show.

But if you are frustrated with a show you are trying to like, it's okay to express those opinions.
All good points. Looks like I started something.

I'm sure I did contradict myself from one sentence to the next. I have to wonder, what took me so long?

Uther

10-31-2007, 01:45 PM

All we know about them is they speak Spanish and they run from the law. They could very well have started in Mexico, fled the law, and left the country.

Unless the writers spell it out, or someone here is a Linguist and can pick up on their Spanish dialect, I'm going with Mexi-twins.

P.S. It also sounds like something from a Taco Bell menu, which I like :)

"Come in for our new beefy, melty, Mexi-twins"!
So they started in Mexico, fled south to Honduras (where we first see them in Ep. 1), then turned around and went back through Mexico to get to New York?

Seems a little roundabout.

stiffi

10-31-2007, 01:57 PM

So they started in Mexico, fled south to Honduras (where we first see them in Ep. 1), then turned around and went back through Mexico to get to New York?

Seems a little roundabout.

Is there another way to get from Honduras to New York without a boat?

I'm just saying, their entire plot line has been running from the police, so we don't know where they are from, or anything about them. Saying they are not Mexican is just inaccurate. They could be, or they could be from Honduras, or Argentina, or Ireland.

Uther

10-31-2007, 02:04 PM

Is there another way to get from Honduras to New York without a boat?

I'm just saying, their entire plot line has been running from the police, so we don't know where they are from, or anything about them. Saying they are not Mexican is just inaccurate. They could be, or they could be from Honduras, or Argentina, or Ireland.
My bet is that they're from Guatemala.

Let's call them the Central Americtwins. Twinspanics? Latwinos?

SeanC

10-31-2007, 02:05 PM

I really enjoyed season 1 but I have a lot of problems with this season. Let's look at the storylines:

<snip the points>

I couldn't agree more. +1000000

Uther

10-31-2007, 02:08 PM

My bet is that they're from Guatemala.

Let's call them the Central Americtwins. Twinspanics? Latwinos?

My personal favorite is Latwinos.

dswallow

10-31-2007, 02:15 PM

What do they call them on televisionwithoutpity.com? They're the experts in this sort of thing.

stiffi

10-31-2007, 02:27 PM

My wife and I just call them the wonder twins. I couldn't care less where they're from, so long as they go back there soon, and never come back to Heroes ;)

ping

10-31-2007, 02:28 PM

My bet is that they're from Guatemala.

Let's call them the Central Americtwins. Twinspanics? Latwinos?

It's been confirmed that they are from:

Dominican Republic.

Spoiler since it comes from a source other than an episode of the show.

Uther

10-31-2007, 02:40 PM

It's been confirmed that they are from:

Dominican Republic.

Spoiler since it comes from a source other than an episode of the show.
WTF? What source is this? How'd they get to Central America from there, and furthermore, there's somebody that they knew from when they were growing up living conveniently on the Guatemala - Mexico border?

This strains all credibility. :D

DevdogAZ

10-31-2007, 03:09 PM

It's been confirmed that they are from:

Dominican Republic.

Spoiler since it comes from a source other than an episode of the show.
That's ridiculous. Why would they go from there to Central America if they're trying to get to NY? Please reveal your source so we can decide if it's credible.

getreal

10-31-2007, 03:30 PM

I'm positive I would be smeeking, so I won't post the comment.
So you post a comment to say that you won't post a comment? :confused:

I'd prefer better story lines. For visuals there's DWTS.
Acronym Definition
DWTS Dancing with the Stars (Polish TV show)
DWTS Defense Wide Transmission Systems
DWTS Digital Wideband Transmission System (USMC)
DWTS Digital Wideband Trucking System
DWTS Doppler Wind and Temperature System
DWTS Down with the Sickness (Disturbed song)

Why do people take the time to write 99% of their post and then suddenly insert FAOA which just end up MTTH to R?!! :mad: :down: :down:

:cool: :D

getreal

10-31-2007, 03:36 PM

So they started in Mexico, fled south to Honduras (where we first see them in Ep. 1), then turned around and went back through Mexico to get to New York?

Seems a little roundabout.
That's Mexicans for ya! :D

My preference for MexiTwins = Salma Hayek.

Okay, if her twins aren't enough, how about Salma Hayek + Penelope Cruz?
:cool:

I know, I know --- they're Spanish.
Same thing.
<takes cover> :p

Latwinos?
Oh YEAH! :up:

Sparty99

10-31-2007, 03:45 PM

Sparty99

10-31-2007, 03:57 PM

Adam Monroe was mentioned as a founder of the company in the Heores Mobile Game.
This is my biggest problem with the show. Sure, it's going slowly this year. But why do I have to go other places to get information that is completely relevant to the story? There's a mobile game (no clue how to get that). There's the webcomics. There's Nathan Petrelli's website, which was the only place we were told he had resigned from his Senate seat (although I'm guessing they'll mention it in the flashback episode). Why do I have to go to all sorts of trouble to get all the information?

MickeS

10-31-2007, 04:43 PM

That's Mexicans for ya! :D

My preference for MexiTwins = Salma Hayek.

Okay, if her twins aren't enough, how about Salma Hayek + Penelope Cruz?
:cool:

I know, I know --- they're Spanish.
Same thing.
<takes cover> :p

Oh YEAH! :up:

Penelope Cruz already has a sister that could almost pass for her twin. Just to get this thread derailed a little more. :)

Fleegle

10-31-2007, 04:44 PM

Considering Adam and Peter have some kind of connection, I'm thinking we're going to get that information soon. For now, it's supposed to be a mystery.

the episode in, I think, 2 weeks will show what happened between seasons 1 and 2.

busyba

10-31-2007, 05:47 PM

That was cold-blooded murder and, I'm sorry, I just can't sweep it under the rug and continue saying that he's a good man forced to do bad things.
Cold-blooded murder, sure, but it's not like the victim was an innocent bystander or had clean hands. He was part of "this thing of ours" (and a pretty major part at that), so I think that mitigates the action to a certain extent.

It's like one mafia guy whacking another mafia guy; that's a lot less egregious than a mafia guy killing a "civillian".

TAsunder

10-31-2007, 06:12 PM

Cold-blooded murder, sure, but it's not like the victim was an innocent bystander or had clean hands. He was part of "this thing of ours" (and a pretty major part at that), so I think that mitigates the action to a certain extent.

It's like one mafia guy whacking another mafia guy; that's a lot less egregious than a mafia guy killing a "civillian".

In this case, it's more like a mafia guy who quit the mafia, then came back into the fold to kill a rival mafia boss. Hey, that sounds vaguely familiar.

wprager

10-31-2007, 08:07 PM

Cold-blooded murder, sure, but it's not like the victim was an innocent bystander or had clean hands. He was part of "this thing of ours" (and a pretty major part at that), so I think that mitigates the action to a certain extent.

It's like one mafia guy whacking another mafia guy; that's a lot less egregious than a mafia guy killing a "civillian".

But he's still a mafia guy, and that's my point. Compare what Noah did to what Mohinder couldn't do.

busyba

10-31-2007, 08:09 PM

But he's still a mafia guy, and that's my point. Compare what Noah did to what Mohinder couldn't do.
By "Mohinder couldn't do" do you mean inject Moesha with the anti-power drug? Cause that's apples and oranges.

Consider that Mohinder was able to pull the trigger when he thought doing so would result in Sylar getting shot in the brain.

alansh

10-31-2007, 08:53 PM

MickeS

10-31-2007, 09:18 PM

Getting back to the story....

I don't think Claire and West can count on getting away with their little prank. School campuses have lots of security cameras these days, that would be bad.
I can almost guarantee that the writers have no intention of letting that little display of their powers have any consequences beyond what we've seen.

wprager

11-01-2007, 05:34 AM

By "Mohinder couldn't do" do you mean inject Moesha with the anti-power drug? Cause that's apples and oranges.

Consider that Mohinder was able to pull the trigger when he thought doing so would result in Sylar getting shot in the brain.

Kinda exactly my point: Mohinder could not do an act which was less violent than what Noah was able to do. Sylar was different in that he was a serial killer and would not hesitate to kill Mohinder himself.

allan

11-01-2007, 08:29 AM

Rob Helmerichs

11-01-2007, 09:22 AM

IMO, HRG is clearly NOT a good person. He was a ruthless SOB when he worked for the Company, and he's still a ruthless SOB working against it. He loves his family. AFAICT, that's where his "goodness" begins and ends.
But I think he's the hero of his own story--that is, he honestly believes he's doing the right thing, for the greater good.

unicorngoddess

11-01-2007, 10:15 AM

ping

11-01-2007, 10:19 AM

Do we know for sure that HRG killed the guy? What if he just shot him to back up the whole burglary cover story, had the Hatian wipe his memory, then instead of the company being suspecious about the memory loss, it could just be passed off as post tramatic stress or something.

Bullet to the head at point-blank range. Blood stain on the wall from the back of his head. I'm not sure even Claire could have survived that.

unicorngoddess

11-01-2007, 10:24 AM

Bullet to the head at point-blank range. Blood stain on the wall from the back of his head. I'm not sure even Claire could have survived that.

Guess I'll have to rewatch it. I just remember him pointing the gun, hearing the bang and seeing a flash.

Sparty99

11-01-2007, 10:25 AM

Do we know for sure that HRG killed the guy? What if he just shot him to back up the whole burglary cover story, had the Hatian wipe his memory, then instead of the company being suspecious about the memory loss, it could just be passed off as post tramatic stress or something.
You know, we might be overthinking this show just a little bit when we see a guy get shot in the head, complete with a blood stain behind his head, and say, "Do we know for sure that he was killed?"

Uther

11-01-2007, 10:44 AM

It was all an illusion. Illusion girl lives!

unicorngoddess

11-01-2007, 10:52 AM

You know, we might be overthinking this show just a little bit when we see a guy get shot in the head, complete with a blood stain behind his head, and say, "Do we know for sure that he was killed?"

Well, I see the blood stain now. But it's not like he was holding the gun to his head, so forgive me for misinturpreting 2 seconds' worth of a scene.

Shaunnick

11-01-2007, 10:54 AM

getreal

11-01-2007, 03:15 PM

Do we know for sure that HRG killed the guy? What if he just shot him to back up the whole burglary cover story, had the Hatian wipe his memory, then instead of the company being suspecious about the memory loss, it could just be passed off as post tramatic stress or something.
And now the old man has died from lead poisoning.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the bullet was made in China. ;)

Mike20878

11-01-2007, 04:54 PM

Though he (1) mentioned plumbing which ought to generally be more a skill than a muscle memory and (2) he didn't provide a charger.

I didn't see any headphones either. :)

kmcorbett

11-01-2007, 11:25 PM

It's been confirmed that they are from:

Dominican Republic.

Spoiler since it comes from a source other than an episode of the show.

Would it be a spoiler to mention the source of the spoiler?

To me they sound Argentine, as they pronounce "y" as soft "j". But I suppose that's not definitive.

Mr. Soze

11-02-2007, 07:26 AM

Would it be a spoiler to mention the source of the spoiler?

To me they sound Argentine, as they pronounce "y" as soft "j". But I suppose that's not definitive.OK, now THAT'S overthinking. :D

Shakhari

11-02-2007, 07:40 AM

Getting back to the story....

I don't think Claire and West can count on getting away with their little prank. School campuses have lots of security cameras these days, that would be bad.

Second, although HRG is in Ukraine right now, if he hears a cheerleader was suspended after drinking and gave a wild story about a flying man and a girl that came back to life, he's going to figure it out.

Well, HRG was incredibly sloppy to enroll his super-powered daughter in the same school as a kid he had personally tagged and released. I would have thought that he would have thoroughly checked the place out beforehand to ensure that the familiy would be able to keep a low profile and there would be nothing that could trip them up. Granted, he's probably tracked down enough supers in his time that he can't remember them all, but I suspect West's name would have popped up if he had done a little research on the student body.

ping

11-02-2007, 07:49 AM

Would it be a spoiler to mention the source of the spoiler?

To me they sound Argentine, as they pronounce "y" as soft "j". But I suppose that's not definitive.

Heroeswiki has a format they follow for characters. The "In-story stats" section lists various information, including "Home". If you go to the discussion page for Maya you'll find the source was a TV Guide interview with the actress (I can't imagine that information would be a spoiler). Well, actually they apparently had it listed before the interview (maybe a press release about the actress joining the series or something).

For those bothered by their roundabout path to NYC:

It's worse than you think. According to that same discussion page (referencing a cite I haven't checked yet), they actually went to Columbia first. I guess we'll learn more in the flashback episode coming up.