Survivor 10/25/07 *SPOILERS*

[MNoelH]

I do not get all the J.R. (Bad Boy) hate. My guess is the editing is playing a big part in this one.

Sherea not only has a big head (they voted me out because they're afraid of me), but has a huge hate on for J.R. (makes no sense to me). She said to J.R. during her vote, "Somebody along the way told you you're hot. I'm gonna bust that big bubble you call a mouth and tell you you're not." What's up with that?

I've also not seen what has prompted Courtney to hate him so much. I see no reason for her to be around. She contributes nothing to camp or challenges, brings nothing but negativity to the tribe, is a troublemaker, and is just simply a waste.

I didn't like Todd at the beginning, but he IS playing the game with some smarts. His hesitation in voting out Sherea and the logic behind possibly going with J.R. was very good.


Go! James! Go!

Nice butt! He tried really hard to do the right thing and throw that challenge... he simply couldn't watch Denise struggle any longer.

[scottykempf]

HA HA HAHHHHAHHHAHHAHHAA!

Yes, it was a bold move for Todd to give James the hidden idol. Of course, it backfired big time. James tried everything to lose that challenge, I could hear him thinking "C'mon, Denise, I'm just standing here, giving you all the time in the world. Just eat the dang thing." Then Jeff asking Denise, "Do you want to give up?" and James realizing that there was no way Denise was going to eat that thing and finishing it off.

So now James has the hidden idol, but doesn't need it. Hilarity ensues.

From the preview for next week: James is looking around camp, goes to the bat emblem, but the others are shown with the emblem and saying "It looks like the idol." I speculate that the emblem IS NOT their idol. The idol that the other team found had writing on the back. If there was writing on this one, wouldn't they realize that it was real? I think it's all a big misdirection.

[MitchO]

Is it me or did Sherea suddenly emerge as a giant bitch? She talked about Jean Robert talking for the sake of talking, and her entire eruption was equally unrequested. And while yes, Jean Robert isn't well liked, Skinny Bitch is just thinking he needs to go *sob* because he doesn't LIKE ME ... Waaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!! The good news for Todd is that the people who are the problems are the external, extra votes his core alliance needs, not the inner circle. Get the position, jettison JR and Skinny Bitch, and you've got 3 or 4.

[RobertE]

Don't see why they were all freaked out about the plan getting blown appart. Just do it on the next go around. Sherea is gone this time. James throws the next challenge & McBoobs goes home.

[uncdrew]

What made PG and McBoobs actually try this time? Talk about an easy competition to throw -- I thought they'd lose and kick off James.

I wasn't watching too carefully. Did they change their mind at some point? Or do they really like eating eel?


Sherea totally played right into the uppity black female stereotype which was disappointing. She was worthless on her first team (in camp) and worthless on this new team. She didn't try to wheel and deal or make Frosti the choice. With Frosti being an "athlete" she should have been able to convince them to get rid of him.


I think Jean Robert has made some pretty sexist and creepy remarks towards Amanda and Bones and that's why they dislike him so.

[KyleLC]

Did they change their mind at some point?Yes.

[uncdrew]

Yes.

:p


Did that event get much air time? I missed it entirely.

[Jeeters]

I think Jean Robert has made some pretty sexist and creepy remarks towards Amanda and Bones and that's why they dislike him so.Yup, the editing has toned him down recently but it the past they showed incidents such as when they Courtney overheard JR and James making some raunchy 'guy talk' and JR teasing James about wanting to "tap the 7 pound white girl" or something very similar to that.

He's just a pig and a ****** and she hates him for it. She's an uppity and intolerant b*tch and he hates her for it.

[WO312]

:p


Did that event get much air time? I missed it entirely.
It got quite a bit of air time. It was right after the food challenge - the girls were concerned that Frosti had not made eye contact and Sherea didn't seem to respond to the talk in the room while getting the boards. So non-McBoobs (I forget her name), said "We have to win immunity."

[uncdrew]

It got quite a bit of air time. It was right after the food challenge - the girls were concerned that Frosti had not made eye contact and Sherea didn't seem to respond to the talk in the room while getting the boards. So non-McBoobs (I forget her name), said "We have to win immunity."


Wow, I was seriously daydreaming or something. I missed that. Thanks for filling me in.

So they thought they had to win -- but wouldn't they think all that meant was Sherea would be going home? Still probably better to lose and dump James.

[guptasa1]

*blinks* Was this on? My TiVO missed it.

[Werd2406]

Great episode. Courtney is useless. There are so many wild cards this season, the merge should make things VERY interesting...

[Dssturbo1]

the advertising is getting more screen placement/time, The CHARMIN tea house???

you would think spending all that money to build that they coulda afforded a shower curtain, guess MB and the other producers encourage the nudity for the ratings.

[Mikkel_Knight]

Key points in this episode:

James still producing for the tribe that told him flat out that they were going to get rid of him next. And doing so without bitching about it in hopes that they'd not throw another challenge again if they were rested.

Todd approaching James, figuring out the clue, and then giving the immunity idol to James in order to protect himself should they want to throw another immunity challenge to get him out before a merge.

Todd forming a partnership with Frosti and Amanda (??).

She-ra showing her true (oblivious) colors on what the game is and how its played.

Courtney completely isolating herself and showing everyone that she'll flip over to the other team at a merge and that her vote is one that cannot be counted upon.

Jean Robert keeping his cool during Tribal and allowing She-ra to hang herself and also provide Courtney plenty of rope to seal her own fate.

Hate or not, Courtney could not have made a poorer decision for herself in the game. If there's a merge, Fey Long still has numbers and can eliminate the other team even if Courtney flips and she will be the first one (even before JR if he continues to cool it) to go because of her inability (more like stubborn unwillingness) decision last night to throw her lot in with the minority instead of voting with the block and along with the strength of the numbers.

If there's not a merge, Fey Long will have no other choice but to eliminate Courtney because of her choice to go against the original tribe and by trying to oust JR.

I can't wait to see her torch snuffed. I did the happy dance last night when She-ra was put in her place (hey sweetheart... I thought you were gonna pop JR's bubble or somethin - where'd you go??), and I'll do the happy dance again when Courtney is given the boot before JR.

Good riddance to two really really stupid people.

[WO312]

Wow, I was seriously daydreaming or something. I missed that. Thanks for filling me in.

So they thought they had to win -- but wouldn't they think all that meant was Sherea would be going home? Still probably better to lose and dump James.
I have to agree with you. I didn't understand their new logic either.

All I can think of is that they figured if Frosti and Sherea had flipped, then it didn't matter if they were voted off. But, from their standpoint, they could still vote off James (per their original plan, as you pointed out) and have the same effect.

Either way, hopefully their gooses are totally cooked . :) Ah, the best laid plans.....

[zordude]

Everyone is talking about "giving the idol to James" so apparently I totally misinterpreted that. To me it looked like they found the idol, and told James whee it was, and he was going to get the one at his camp. Did it show them giving James the idol to take back to camp with him?

Z

[jradosh]

Everyone is talking about "giving the idol to James" so apparently I totally misinterpreted that. To me it looked like they found the idol, and told James whee it was, and he was going to get the one at his camp. Did it show them giving James the idol to take back to camp with him?

Z
I don't remember them showing it, but it seemed very clear to me that they had given it to him.

It got quite a bit of air time. It was right after the food challenge - the girls were concerned that Frosti had not made eye contact and Sherea didn't seem to respond to the talk in the room while getting the boards. So non-McBoobs (I forget her name), said "We have to win immunity."I think it was after the reward challenge, not the food challenge, that the comments were made. And it certainly reinforced what we all said last week... PG and McBoob are not the sharpest knives in the drawer by a long stretch.

[TheDewAddict]

It was my understanding that Todd gave James the idol from his camp, with instructions to use it that night at Tribal. He could then grab the idol from the other camp. What James would do with that idol is unknown, give it back to Todd maybe?

My wife and I cracked up when James and Todd were talking, and James gave Todd a slap on his shoulder, and almost knocked Todd over. Even Todd said "You almost just killed me there James."

As far as the previews:

When the other members of James' tribe are shown looking at what appears to be the idol, there is no writing on the back. Perhaps James tore it off? Or else, I agree with the other poster who thought perhaps James got ahold of the identical idol as his camp, only to find that it wasn't the immunity idol there.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I don't remember them showing it, but it seemed very clear to me that they had given it to him.
Considering that their whole plan was for James to use it, it would have been Zhan-Hu stupid NOT to have given it to him... :D

[SleepyBob]

Everyone is talking about "giving the idol to James" so apparently I totally misinterpreted that. To me it looked like they found the idol, and told James whee it was, and he was going to get the one at his camp. Did it show them giving James the idol to take back to camp with him?

Z

This is what I thought. They told him where to find it at the other camp, and then they went around and told everyone else in their tribe that they had given it to him. At the food challenge, James is holding some sort of cloth that could be covering an immunity idol, so I guess we have to decide if that was for real, or a mis-direction orchestrated by Todd.

As far as next week goes:
I was thinking there were two similar carvings, one on each end of the pagoda thing. The one they were looking at didn't seem to have the same "4 bats" pattern. So James pulled down the real immunity idol, and the others now have a similar non-immunity idol that they think is real.

[dtle]

the advertising is getting more screen placement/time, The CHARMIN tea house???


Tea is known to be a laxative. :)

[betts4]

Key points in this episode:

James still producing for the tribe that told him flat out that they were going to get rid of him next. And doing so without bitching about it in hopes that they'd not throw another challenge again if they were rested.

Jean Robert keeping his cool during Tribal and allowing She-ra to hang herself and also provide Courtney plenty of rope to seal her own fate.



I agree with all your key points, but these two are ones that I sort of 'missed'.

Couldn't James have also spit the food out and said 'no, I can't do it either.' What happens then? I think it would have pissed the girls off a bit.

I was surprised at Sheara's attitude at tribal. Who goes to tribal knowing they could be on the chopping block and talks like that. Stupid. But the point you make about JR keeping his cool is a very good one. Very smart of him.

I really loved the way the tribe welcomed James back to the 'fold'. No thought that he would have flipped. It was a homecoming for one day. :)

[KyleLC]

I think it was after the reward challenge, not the food challenge, that the comments were made.Yes it would have had to have been because the food challenge was for immunity!

I really hate the food challenges.

[jradosh]

I was surprised at Sheara's attitude at tribal. Who goes to tribal knowing they could be on the chopping block and talks like that. Stupid. But the point you make about JR keeping his cool is a very good one. Very smart of him.
I always assume that people have their minds made up about who they're voting for long before TC. I think TC is just a formality and no one's mind is changed, so Sheara's attitude is understandable since she knows she's a goner.

[Wilhite]

I always assume that people have their minds made up about who they're voting for long before TC. I think TC is just a formality and no one's mind is changed, so Sheara's attitude is understandable since she knows she's a goner.

I don't know that that would always be the case. From what I've heard and read, TC is much, much longer than what we see on TV (several hours?) and that's a lot of time to change someone's mind. When you've got as much bad blood as there is right now in that tribe, I can see things moving from one person to another with a performance like She-ra's last night.

My wife and I cracked up at the Charmin Tea House thing. It was bad enough that they had the wrappers around the toilet paper rolls with the logo prominently displayed, but to follow it up with naming the tea house was over the top.

[Mikkel_Knight]

Yup - it's been confirmed by Jeff and cast that Tribal Council typically lasts over an hour, sometimes as long as two hours. We see 3 1/2 minutes.

[TreborPugly]

John Robert has been shown to be crude and authoritative - He had a run-in with Sherea on her second day in there camp, where he started giving orders to people and what they could do in the morning. This was his idea of "stepping it up", and "helping around camp." He got up early, did some stuff, but couldn't help his arrogant nature and started making "suggestions" for what other people could do. He has no ability to be humble and helpful.

Early on, he was asking the young women on his tribe to "keep him warm", and aside from direct comments to the women, he was overheard making much worse comments to James. Even though I don't like Courtney at all, I think she's called it right when she says he's a pig. And he's so much of one that he has absolutely no remorse about his behavior.


In other news, I'm SO glad that James made it through another round. It was looking very grim for him last episode. I wonder what his tribe mates think about him pretty obviously trying to throw the challenge. I think they'd have to be idiots to not realize that he could have downed those little chickens no problem if he wanted to. And they know they'd be voting him off if they lost. And isn't the blond on that team one of the people who knows that there is an immunity idol to be found at each camp?

[jhausmann]

Yup, the editing has toned him down recently but it the past they showed incidents such as when they Courtney overheard JR and James making some raunchy 'guy talk' and JR teasing James about wanting to "tap the 7 pound white girl" or something very similar to that.

He's just a pig and a ****** and she hates him for it. She's an uppity and intolerant b*tch and he hates her for it.

One of his comments was : "the only thing better than a million dollars is a million dollars and some tail" [cleaned up somewhat, actual quote is in link] and the girls heard him saying it.

http://www.pokerlistings.com/jeanrobert-bellande-report-week-3-19136

[Mikkel_Knight]

I don't think there's any doubt that he's mysoginistic and a pig...

As for "giving orders", I think that's a pile of crap. It was more like "I'll do this while you do that so we can do this".

If that's giving orders, that's pretty pathetic. I think it was taken as him giving orders because he had demonstrated an abrasive personality and way of handling things. Courtney is a whiney bitch who completely took JR's warning yell as if he was berating her. The pot was over a fire - she went to grab the pot's handle with her bare hand. JR yelled at her the same way you'd yell at someone else to warn them of potential danger.

She just can't deal with it...

The next person that needs to be voted off is Courtney because based on last night's Tribal Council, she essentially showed that she would be willing to sell out and flip - therefore, hers is not a vote that can be counted on. And it's better to know that "X" is going to vote for so and so even if they don't have the numbers, but not knowing what she's going to do, who she's going to vote for - that is just way too dangerous to leave floating around out there in the game.

I think if she were to make the final two, it would be another land-slide unamimous decision against her unless she was up against JR - even then, I think she would lose... But, it's kind of early to talk about who would beat who since there's over half the game left to be played...

[Havana Brown]

Sherea totally played right into the uppity black female stereotype which was disappointing.


I was expecting her to raise her arm and say "talk to the hand." :rolleyes:

The kid and I were rolling when James whacked Todd and he nearly fell over. We replayed it a few times.

Food challenges suck.

[TreborPugly]

Thinking about this episode and the last, I gotta say, James is really cool. He's been positive and competent. He's no genius planner, but he always has a pretty good handle on where he stands, and what's going on. In the last episode, we saw how he acts when he's upset for the first time, and it was genuine, righteous, but not melodramatic.

I expected him to be depressed and angry after the shock he received, but he bounced back immediately and started being positive again, even before he got "stolen." I hope he lasts long enough so even if he doesn't win, he's in the running for a Rupert award.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Todd didn't give James the immunity idol, he just told him where to find it. that's why Todd said when James got back to camp, he needed to run up right away and take down the idol and hide it.

If that whole square is the idol, and it looks like it is, boo to Survivor for making it such a large and un-hideable idol. Even worse that once you pulled it down, it left a big bright bare spot on the gateway.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Todd didn't give James the immunity idol, he just told him where to find it. that's why Todd said when James got back to camp, he needed to run up right away and take down the idol and hide it.
No, that was to prevent somebody else from getting the other one. It seemed obvious to me that James has the one that's been found so far.

[uncdrew]

No, that was to prevent somebody else from getting the other one. It seemed obvious to me that James has the one that's been found so far.


I agree.

I think the plan was for James to hold on to both. He'll use one and give the other back to his "group" for future use.

Who better to hold them than James? I'm not about to take anything from the man. :D

[Philosofy]

...
Food challenges suck.

I gotta disagree here. After watching many of them, I think they blow (chunks.) :D

[Mikeyis4dcats]

No, that was to prevent somebody else from getting the other one. It seemed obvious to me that James has the one that's been found so far.


if you re-watch, Todd takes back the original one IIRC.

[SuperZippy]

I do not get all the J.R. (Bad Boy) hate. My guess is the editing is playing a big part in this one.

Sherea not only has a big head (they voted me out because they're afraid of me), but has a huge hate on for J.R. (makes no sense to me). She said to J.R. during her vote, "Somebody along the way told you you're hot. I'm gonna bust that big bubble you call a mouth and tell you you're not." What's up with that?

I've also not seen what has prompted Courtney to hate him so much. I see no reason for her to be around. She contributes nothing to camp or challenges, brings nothing but negativity to the tribe, is a troublemaker, and is just simply a waste.

I didn't like Todd at the beginning, but he IS playing the game with some smarts. His hesitation in voting out Sherea and the logic behind possibly going with J.R. was very good.


Go! James! Go!

Nice butt! He tried really hard to do the right thing and throw that challenge... he simply couldn't watch Denise struggle any longer.

:goodposting:

[NinerK]

Did anybody else want to punch PG and the other girl when they were "cheering/encouraging" James?

Holy guacamole, it made me so mad. They threw the last challenge and now because you "need to win" he's supposed to sellout for you? :mad:

Those chicks amaze me. Although, one week removed from them throwing the challenge, it appears that throwing a challenge was in deed their only option. I previously thought they should have at least tried but 1 week removed I'm positive there's no way they'd be able to flip James or Aaron. Throwing the challenge, voting one of them off and hoping you get the numbers at the merge was actually a decent strategy.

As stated in last week's thread; their execution of the plan was awful.

[Philosofy]

If I were James, I would have just waited at the challenge, done nothing, then told the two dingbats that they never told him that the plan had changed, and that they wanted to win immunity.

[NinerK]

If I were James, I would have just waited at the challenge, done nothing, then told the two dingbats that they never told him that the plan had changed, and that they wanted to win immunity.

LOL...."Who, me? I know nothing, I don't even count, remember?"

[TreborPugly]

if you re-watch, Todd takes back the original one IIRC.


Sorry, but you're wrong. He gives it to James. He tells his teammates that he gave it to James. He later laments giving it to him, since the plan fell through.

The reason for giving it to him is that sometimes the "twist" is that they go directly to tribal council after an immunity challenge. James might not have had time to get the immunity idol at the other camp then.

[kettledrum]

I'm very glad to see Sherea go. She went from not helping out at camp to total bitch in 0.27 seconds. Where did that come from? Courtney doesn't like him either, but the way she said it at tribal council was so much more normal/palatable.

I thought for sure Todd gave James the idol. I also missed the part where James about knocked Todd over. :-(


One other thing, did they give the contestants some more clothing? I don't ever remember seeing Courtney or Amanda in those bikinis before.

[sushikitten]

Wow, Sherea really thinks highly of herself doesn't she? What a raving bitch. Good freakin' riddance.

They all got their suits an episode or two ago.

[bareyb]

Wow, I was seriously daydreaming or something. I missed that. Thanks for filling me in.
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Thanks for filling us in too! My wife and I both missed it as well. Even went back and looked around a bit and still didn't see it. Bizarre. We all must be smokin' the same stuff... :p

I was happy to see their little plan of throwing two competitions in a row go south on them (as we all correctly predicted would happen in last weeks thread). Good to see James hanging in there. He knows how to "work" the ladies. Showin' some butt couldn't hurt him. Hey why not? Turnabout is fair play no? :D

[LordKronos]

I thought PG and giggle girl were really stupid last week by not being able to keep quiet, but the way they played it this week makes last week look like genius. You can't take the plan in halfway and then just abandon it. Now they've pretty much lost any chance they had. From PGs perspective, I don't believe she knows the idol exists, so her best plan (based on what she knows) still would have been to throw the challenge this week. Yes, WE know that would be bad move, but she didn't.

Regarding whether or not James was given the idol, I'm watching it right now...word for word:
Right after they found the idol Todd says: "James came down, I gave him the idol, and told him what needs to happen" Then 30 second later he says "I don't know if the clue are the same as theirs, but they might be. The second you get to camp, their camp, you run up and you grab it off".

Then he tells Denise "I found an immunity idol, and I gave it to james".

Then, after the IC, when Courtney is crying "He HATES me" (whats up with that...she acts like her boyfriend dumped her) she says "and now James has the Immunity thing for no reason" (yes, those were her words: immunity THING).

So, theres NO question at all that James was given the idol.


At the TC, I agree that Sherea and Courtney both made absolute FOOLS of themselves. Especially Courtney, but what she did was doubly stupid. If she thinks Jon Robert HATED her before, what's she think it's going to be like now that she smugly went off on a massive rant about him. Make that triply stupid, since she made it clear she doesn't click with the rest of the tribe. Even after Todd gave her a chance to clarify it and maybe fix up her slip of the tongue, all she could say is "but...."?

[Joeg180]

I would have voted off Courtney!

[David Platt]

My wife got a huge laugh when she walked by and saw part of the "nasty foods" challenge-- one of the supposed "nasty foods" was something she eats almost every weekend. :D

[Amnesia]

Again---I wonder why they didn't have Courtney do the reward challenge? It wasn't physical and they had no way of knowing whether or not the immunity challenge would be physical...

[Mikkel_Knight]

My wife got a huge laugh when she walked by and saw part of the "nasty foods" challenge-- one of the supposed "nasty foods" was something she eats almost every weekend. :D
Chicken hearts or raw eel?

[Bob Coxner]

My wife got a huge laugh when she walked by and saw part of the "nasty foods" challenge-- one of the supposed "nasty foods" was something she eats almost every weekend. :D

I'm guessing balut and Vietnamese or Filipina. I love Filipino cuisine but just the sight of balut makes me gag.

[sushikitten]

My wife got a huge laugh when she walked by and saw part of the "nasty foods" challenge-- one of the supposed "nasty foods" was something she eats almost every weekend. :D

I thought the same thing. Although I am sure the eel is a little different than what I'd be used to. ;)

And how could I have forgotten to mention James and the shower. Could that be the next reality show please? An hour of watching him shower. :p :up:

[fmowry]

While food challenges are gross, they really need them to balance out the challenges and allow the non-physical players a chance to contribute. Sure they can have intelligence challenges, but ya need some gag stuff too (JR's pubes aside).

Most food challenges rarely bother me as I've eaten some gross stuff, but those little turtles disturbed me a bit. The shells must get crumbly when cooked or something, or the shells of baby turtles aren't hard yet (like soft shell crabs).

Frank

[IJustLikeTivo]

I think Jean Robert has made some pretty sexist and creepy remarks towards Amanda and Bones and that's why they dislike him so.

Nothing that both of them hadn't more than earned. Sherea was completely useless pile of crap while bones is a completely useless, negative scrap of crap. One down, 1 to go on the useless consumers of oxygen list.

[WO312]

Thanks for filling us in too! My wife and I both missed it as well. Even went back and looked around a bit and still didn't see it. Bizarre. We all must be smokin' the same stuff... :p

I was happy ........ :D
Maybe I misled you in my original post as to where to look. I said "food challenge" because I was thinking of the food (and shower,etc.) they won. Someone correctly pointed out that it is called the reward challenge. So, the clip is right after the reward challenge.

It was just my (bad) luck that they had a food immunity challenge in the same show or it would have been more clear.

[heySkippy]

I am delighted that James finally has a bit of an upper hand. He's got one HII and a good chance of finding the other. If he can just make it to the merge it'll be fun watching him try to run the table on the individual immunity challenges.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Nothing that both of them hadn't more than earned. Sherea was completely useless pile of crap while bones is a completely useless, negative scrap of crap. One down, 1 to go on the useless consumers of oxygen list.
So sexual harassment is OK if you don't like the victim?

[heySkippy]

^^ I don't know that sexist automatically equals harassment. It's not like they are cow-orkers.

[madscientist]

Put me in the column of "WTH were they thinking?" about winning the immunity challenge. There is absolutely no possible way that helps them, especially after they threw the first one. Did they seriously think the other tribe would vote out one of their own and leave Sherea and Frosti? I just can't figure out what was going through their minds here; no matter what scenario you try it's ALWAYS better for PG etc. to lose that immunity challenge and kick out James.

The only possible way this outcome benefits them is exactly the situation we had: James has the immunity idol. But there's no way PG etc. could have known that... could they? Did they somehow get tipped off? I'm very suspicious.

[LordKronos]

Where's sexual harassment panda when you need him. He'd explain it all for you.

[IJustLikeTivo]

So sexual harassment is OK if you don't like the victim?

Sexual harassment is a judgement, not a fact. I think he's a pig but that doesn't mean he's harassing them. I think that would require intent. I think he's returning the contempt that they hold him in, nothing more. That's was I was referring to.

[JLucPicard]

^^ I don't know that sexist automatically equals harassment. It's not like they are cow-orkers.
I know it was just a typo, but I'm sitting here chuckling trying to think what cow orking is. :D

[jradosh]

Sexual harassment is a judgement, not a fact. I think he's a pig but that doesn't mean he's harassing them. I think that would require intent. I think he's returning the contempt that they hold him in, nothing more. That's was I was referring to.
Didn't one previous contestant sue for harrassment when some guy did a challenge against her nekkid? If I recall it was a knock-the-person-off-the-pole kind of challenge. I forget what exactly the charge was or if she won.

? :confused: ?

IMO when you sign up for a 'reality' show you throw those rights out the window. "Outwit" can mean "harrass until the person does something stupid".

[bareyb]

Didn't one previous contestant sue for harrassment when some guy did a challenge against her nekkid? If I recall it was a knock-the-person-off-the-pole kind of challenge. I forget what exactly the charge was or if she won.

? :confused: ?

IMO when you sign up for a 'reality' show you throw those rights out the window. "Outwit" can mean "harrass until the person does something stupid".

I believe that was Susan against Richard Hatch on Survivor Allstars. I know she said she was going to sue, but I never heard much about it again. Shortly after that Richard got tagged for tax evasion so she may have to get in line if she wants to ever see any money.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Sexual harassment is a judgement, not a fact. I think he's a pig but that doesn't mean he's harassing them. I think that would require intent. I think he's returning the contempt that they hold him in, nothing more. That's was I was referring to.
When he suggested the two women snuggle up to him for shared body warmth, that was in the borderlands of acceptable behavior. The leer on his face pretty much crossed the border...
I know it was just a typo, but I'm sitting here chuckling trying to think what cow orking is. :D
Not so much a typo...

http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html

[sushikitten]

When he suggested the two women snuggle up to him for shared body warmth, that was in the borderlands of acceptable behavior. The leer on his face pretty much crossed the border...


But would we even be having this conversation if it was James who suggested it? Or one of the women who suggested it? ;)

[Rob Helmerichs]

But would we even be having this conversation if it was James who suggested it? Or one of the women who suggested it? ;)
That depends on the spirit in which it was suggested, and the spirit in which it was taken. In this case, it was clearly both offered and taken as an unwanted sexual advance.

[madscientist]

I know it was just a typo, but I'm sitting here chuckling trying to think what cow orking is. :DYou're obviously not a member of the DNRC! :D

[The Flush]

You're obviously not a member of the DNRC! :D

He is an in-DUH-vidual.

[stellie93]

I'm a little confused about the immunity idol clues. Are they the same for both camps, or have all of them been given to the one camp? Also, my friend said he thought that both the person it is given to first who reads the outside and the person who opens it up and reads the inside get the clues. I thought only the second person got clues. :confused:

[Mikkel_Knight]

I'm a little confused about the immunity idol clues. Are they the same for both camps, or have all of them been given to the one camp? Also, my friend said he thought that both the person it is given to first who reads the outside and the person who opens it up and reads the inside get the clues. I thought only the second person got clues. :confused:
It appears as if there are multiple pagodas at each camp (2??) so the clues would work in both places...

The kidnapped member opens the sealed tube in private and is instructed to give the contents (another sealed tube) to one of the individuals from the tribe who kidnapped them. I believe both of them say "open in private", however, the initial kidnap "victim" knows that inside the tube they are to give out is a clue to the hidden immunity idol since it's part of their instructions (IIRC)

[JLucPicard]

You're obviously not a member of the DNRC! :D
Ok, ok, so I am obviously immensly ignorant of some cultural phenomenon here! :o

At the risk of exposing just how incredibly ignorant I am (and/or smacking my forehead with my open hand once I realize I should already know this), what is the DNRC?

[sushikitten]

It appears as if there are multiple pagodas at each camp (2??) so the clues would work in both places...

The kidnapped member opens the sealed tube in private and is instructed to give the contents (another sealed tube) to one of the individuals from the tribe who kidnapped them. I believe both of them say "open in private", however, the initial kidnap "victim" knows that inside the tube they are to give out is a clue to the hidden immunity idol since it's part of their instructions (IIRC)

Now they do, because enough people have talked about it. But the first person had NO idea, IIRC.

[heySkippy]

Ok, ok, so I am obviously immensly ignorant of some cultural phenomenon here! :o

At the risk of exposing just how incredibly ignorant I am (and/or smacking my forehead with my open hand once I realize I should already know this), what is the DNRC?
I don't know what DNRC is, but cow-orkers pre-dates this place by a long, long time.

[David Platt]

Chicken hearts or raw eel?

Chicken hearts. She eats them like candy. But good GOD do they stink!

[AJRitz]

Chicken hearts. She eats them like candy. But good GOD do they stink!
Virtually guaranteeing that she will teach Mae Lin to love them as well, and they'll both torture you with this fact for the rest of your natural-born life ;)

[Jeeters]

IMO when you sign up for a 'reality' show you throw those rights out the window. "Outwit" can mean "harrass until the person does something stupid".When you sign up for a reality show, you almost always sign off on a set of rules for allowable behavior. For example, Real World has always (or used to - I've not watched for some time) had a rule saying if you hit/struck another player, you were off the show.

She might have perceived the nakedness as a violation of the rules (or at least hoped to convince people that she perceived it as such).

[madscientist]

Ok, ok, so I am obviously immensly ignorant of some cultural phenomenon here! :o

At the risk of exposing just how incredibly ignorant I am (and/or smacking my forehead with my open hand once I realize I should already know this), what is the DNRC?Dogbert's New Ruling Class -- search for coworker (http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter17.html).

I know cow orker was around before this, but it really broke out as a result of this Dilbert newsletter.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Or just Google, people! Sheesh... :D

[JLucPicard]

I could have Googled or 'wiki'ed, but given the context of how it came up here, I preferred to hear from the good people who were pointing it out.

:D Sheesh! Is there really anything wrong with that? :D


ps - sorry for the thread hijack :)

[markz]

*blinks* Was this on? My TiVO missed it.

Mine missed it too. I don't care enough to dl it somewhere. I'll catch up next week.

[Kablemodem]

My wife got a huge laugh when she walked by and saw part of the "nasty foods" challenge-- one of the supposed "nasty foods" was something she eats almost every weekend. :D

I like turtles!

[Anubys]

I like turtles!

LOL :D

giving the immunity to James was the perfect plan...regardless of which tribe won immunity, a member of the other tribe was going home!

which is exactly what happened...

speaking of conspiracy theories: when Todd and Amanda went by themselves to "consider" voting out JR...didn't that seem like "acting"? it seemed like they had clearly agreed on who was going, but they went and acted undecided purely so the producers would have some drama at tribal council...

[ReenieS]

My $0.02 --

Cent one: I think that Todd is playing the "keep-the-unlikeable-guy-in-your-alliance" so that "no-one-will-vote-for-him-in-the-finals" strategy. No one ever mentions this. Keep the unlikeable person so that everyone else has someone to hate more than you during the Jury stage!

Cent two: Baby turtles are a source of salmonella. And they are pets! Grosser than usual. Where is the PETA protest?

[NoThru22]

I always wonder about how sanitary some of these eating contests can be.

[Anubys]

I always wonder about how sanitary some of these eating contests can be.

all these things are food that people eat in that part of the world...some are considered great delicacy...I'm quite confident that they are fine...

[Havana Brown]

all these things are food that people eat in that part of the world...some are considered great delicacy...I'm quite confident that they are fine...


I have a friend who eats turtle eggs and fish eyes.

[Kablemodem]

One of my co-workers is Chinese and she says she eats the 1000 year old egg all the time. She says it doesn't taste rotten or bad at all, but has a mild flavor.

[kemajor]

One of my co-workers is Chinese and she says she eats the 1000 year old egg all the time. She says it doesn't taste rotten or bad at all, but has a mild flavor.

Where do they keep getting so many 1000 year old eggs? It seems like there could be a shortage if demand rises.

- Kelly

[Uther]

Where do they keep getting so many 1000 year old eggs? It seems like there could be a shortage if demand rises.

- Kelly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg

[DevdogAZ]

This is what I thought. They told him where to find it at the other camp, and then they went around and told everyone else in their tribe that they had given it to him. At the food challenge, James is holding some sort of cloth that could be covering an immunity idol, so I guess we have to decide if that was for real, or a mis-direction orchestrated by Todd.
Although it's already been established that Todd clearly gave the idol to James, just exactly how would this have worked in your mind? The people they were trying to fool were not part of that tribe, so spreading the word would not have mattered.

I don't know that that would always be the case. From what I've heard and read, TC is much, much longer than what we see on TV (several hours?) and that's a lot of time to change someone's mind. When you've got as much bad blood as there is right now in that tribe, I can see things moving from one person to another with a performance like She-ra's last night.
While the TC’s are much longer than what we see, the voting blocs have been established prior. Unless they all had some kind of secret signal to let others know to change their votes, it would be incredibly dangerous to base your vote purely on what it said at TC. If you come in to TC with a group of people that all claim they’re going to vote one way, you basically HAVE to vote that way as well, no matter what happens at TC.

[martinp13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_eggWell, after reading THAT article, you can count me out of the Century Egg Fan Club. GROSS. :) No matter how it tastes, the methods, ingredients, and 'varieties' described are "too much information". :)

According to a persistent myth, century eggs are or once were prepared by soaking eggs in horse urine. However, this is not plausible since urine is usually acidic or very weakly alkaline, and the myth may arise from the ammonia smell created during some production processes.
EW, even if it's just a rumor!