Season Pass Episodes Change from HD to SD???

[ivyvine420]

I have noticed this happening for the past few weeks, it randomly occurs after a network connection to get new Program Data Info... It seems that one or 2 of my season passes will suddenly take on SD channels instead of the HD channels.

It still shows it as having no season pass for the SD channel/show, but it will have switched my previously (already in the To Do List) scheduled show from the HD (707 perhaps) to the SD channel (7). It might do this for one or 2 TV Shows, sometimes for both (2 weeks) upcoming episodes, or sometimes just the next scheduled episode with the second episode staying as the HD channel.

I have noticed it doing this most often with the ABC Network, though it could have done this for a couple others as well. I check my new To Do List(ings) each day, and so I notice when something like this happens, and know which day it actually happens. It seems to happen once a week, with one or 2 TV Shows, usually on the same Network, either the Next Upcoming Episode Only, or both the next 2 Upcoming Episodes.

Does anyone know if this is related to the 9.1 update? I can't remember if it started happening right before or after we got that update for our S3 Tivo. I am on the priority list for the 9.2 update currently, though with as many things that are left unfixed from 9.1 to the 9.2 update, that may not help alot.

I just find it extremely weird that it would do this, like it thinks that suddenly there is no HD version of the channel (707 compared to 7 for ABC) and so it gives me the SD channel version instead... Except that when I immediately go into the To Do List and go to "find upcoming episodes", the HD channels are listed and I can easily delete the recording for the SD version and then schedule it (AGAIN) for the HD channel.

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[Emacee]

If you have Season Passes for a particular program on both ABC-HD and ABC-SD, you might delete the SD Season Pass.
You might also "uncheck" all analog or SD channels which duplicate HD channels on your channels list. (Settings > Channels > Channel List). This causes Tivo to think you don't receive those channels. Some PBS stations have different schedules on their analog/SD channel and their main digital/HD channel. If that's the case in your area, you should leave leave both as channels received.

[ivyvine420]

I only have one season pass for shows, some are HD and some are in SD. I also have another Tivo (Series 2) in the same room, which I use to record other SD only shows, and for the times when there are 3 or 4 shows on at the same time (in the same timeslot) so I can get them all.

I keep both SD channels and HD channels of all my local stations in my channel list as there are many times that I do not wish to use up the precious space it takes for the HD versions, or if I just want to record a movie to watch (and now be able to transfer back and forth with MRV and TivoToGo etc) without caring about the quality as miuch.

So there are no actual reasons that they should be occasionally doing this weird switch from HD to SD when I *Do NOT* have a season pass for the SD version channel. If this was standard practice (do do this if the HD channel info had not been downloaded yet but regular SD channel info had been, then that would be one thing, but as no one else seems to have had this problem (or have mentioned it recently), and as soon as I see this happening in the To Do List I can go and (before it even has a chance to connect again) find the correct HD channel listed in the upcoming episodes list and reschedule it myself manually, I don't see why the Tivo itself wouldn't see the channel with season pass for certain TV show episodes and fix it itself (or even happen at all as there is NO time delay before HD channel episodes become available).

I just want to know what is going on and if it will be fixed soon or there is something I can do (other than take away my SD versions of these channels) as I don't think I should have to go through my To Do List after paying monthly service fees for this service and have to cancel and reschedule multiple, but totally *random* switches to my schedulings.

I have OCD and so I already go and do this and tweek other parts, but in general, as a Tivo Subscriber that pays a monthly fee for the service and benefits like the "season passes" and "wishlists" etc, I really *shouldn't* have to focus on it so much, so that TV Episodes don't end up getting recorded in SD instead of HD - on different channels even. This actually happened the first time, which caused me to see what was going on. It had switched it 1 or 1 1/2 days before the recording and I actually didn't go into the To Do List and check stuff over and adjust recording settings on newly added items that day, and ended up with wrong season pass channel recordings.

[bkdtv]

The first thing I would do is grab 9.2 to see if it fixes the problem. You can sign up to receive 9.2 @ http://www.tivo.com/priority/. After signup, you should have the new software within three days.

[Mars Rocket]

I would suspect guide data error before a TiVo OS error. Season Passes are tied to the channel NAME (not the number), and given multiple options I believe they will default to the lowest-numbered channel with the same name. If the guide data had the digital channel name (e.g. KCRADT) on the non-digital channel then the TiVo would record it off of the non-digital channel (which should be just KCRA in my example).

Does that make sense?

[ivyvine420]

Yeah I signed up for 9.2 early this morning... I had looked at the priority page last week and must not have read it correctly, as I thought it was just for 9.1 (which all 3 Tivos here already had) though today I noticed it also said 9.2 for S3 and HD Tivo units...

I'm hoping this does the fix I need to the Season Passes. Thanks for help anyways.

:(

[brermike]

Are you sure it is recording the SD channel? Not saying you are wrong, but I had an occurance a couple times that wasn't Tivo related. I have had my local HD channels "accidentally" broadcast in SD for shows that were usually in HD. So the Tivo was recording the HD channel but the network was broadcasting the SD feed instead of the HD feed. this has only happened a couple times. I was watching live so I knew it was on the correct channel. Just a thought.

[ivyvine420]

If the guide data had the digital channel name (e.g. KCRADT) on the non-digital channel then the TiVo would record it off of the non-digital channel (which should be just KCRA in my example).

Does that make sense?

Yes, that makes sense to me but I still have no idea if that's what the problem is. Like I have said, I can't remember specifically all channels that might have done this, BUT ABC *is* the one i can say for sure. Which then is kinda weird, because I think we might have 3 ABC channels (though one might not have the same PrimeTime scheduling as the other 2). We have 7 KGO and 707 KGO-HD as well as (I think) one or 2 KGO-DT channels somewhere in the 200 listings. These would be the ones that might not have the same scheduling, or at least not do the normal ABC PrimeTime shows.

I was originally guessing (and thinking it still might be) something along the Guide Data lines (working with the Season Passes I have setup), and that for some reason, the guide data ends up showing only the 7 KGO channel at first, sets this as my channel to record season pass from as the HD 707 KGO-HD channel is momentarily MIA, and then the 707 KGO-HD channel has its guide data show up, but with Tivo having already selected that 7 KGO channel as the one to record, it leaves the HD channel alone.

This is a definite glitch with guide data working with Season Passes and other items in the To Do List, as anytime you have something set to record and the schedule changes (tv show gets removed and replaced with something else), it doesn't seem to actually update your To Do List at all. It still assumes that what has been set up previously is still *current* with the correct data. I will see program info on certain tv show episodes change from the generic description to the actual episode description, and the times change from the regular 1 hr to maybe 58 minutes or 103 minutes, but nothing else other that that really. And when your Tivo is getting info for up to 2 weeks in advance, that gives the stations plenty of time to change things around on people, and Tivo only updates some aspects.

SciFi had started to repeat a show a month ago from 2002 or so called Haunting (or perhaps Haunted) with Matthew Fox. I set up a Season Pass, got the first Pilot episode, and then they had decided to NOT air the rest of the episodes after all, going for mini marathons of Ghost Hunters instead the next 2 or so weeks, which pulled the next 2 *already scheduled* episodes from the guide data. Did my Tivo change anything though? No. I had to find this out by seeing that there were NO MORE upcoming episodes for this tv show, and then go and delete my Season Pass for it as well as Cancel the 2 scheduled upcoming episodes that didn't exist anymore...

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Did you survive that post? Heh.

[ivyvine420]

Are you sure it is recording the SD channel?

Unfortunately, I am sure it is SD, but happily enough for having OCD, I have managed to catch this each time it has done so in the To Do List (after that first occasion of course) and can get it switched back to the HD channel beforehand (so I do get whatever they are actually airing on the HD channel as not everything 24/7 is HD anyways).

It was (or *is*, but hopefully not too much longer) actually changing what channel the season pass was for, but not, if that makes sense. It would make it so the SD channel was the one recording the episode, but when going under that channel in the upcoming episodes, it would still show the "Get a Season Pass" Option (meaning I *didn't* have one for the SD channel), and the now unscheduled HD channel would show it as having the Season Pass, where you could "Change Season Pass Options" etc, still. All totally normal, if it weren't for the fact that the guide developed some major Dyslexia for a few moments, just long enough to mess with my Future TV Recordings...

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