Survivor 10-18-07 *Possible Spoilers* [Text View]

MitchO

10-18-2007, 08:09 PM

Congratulations. That was the single stupidest decision in the history of Survivor.

OK here's an idea ... throw a challenge, do a horrible job pretending, piss off and humiliate a hulking, angry gravedigger of a man .. AND THEN KEEP HIM AROUND FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF DAYS?!?!

I'm putting down even money on next episode opening with James completely destroying the entire camp, throwing away all their stuff into the river, and living in the jungle until the producers of the show have to drag his ass out for the challenge.

pantherman007

10-18-2007, 08:10 PM

I hope that move comes back to bite PG in her bony ass. James should go on a rampage and destroy their camp.

LordKronos

10-18-2007, 08:19 PM

Well, I actually thought it was a brilliant maneuver. Whats funny is that I was laughing at how STUPID they were about the take 2 members thing...not even having the slightest clue that the other tribe would get to do the same. Even when the boat showed up with just the fisherman they still didn't seem to realize what was going on. Pure stupidity on their part. And then to turn around and come up with something so clever just shocked me.

But yeah, horrible cover up on their part. I'd love to see those 2 girls play a game of poker with Jean Robert.

LordKronos

10-18-2007, 08:26 PM

Just had a thought. What would be funny is if in the next challenge, James shouts out to his team about what happened, so they decide to do the same, neither team trying to win. It would be James vs Frosti/Sherea with the rest of their respective teams trying to sabotage them.

Dead INside

10-18-2007, 08:44 PM

That was one big bag of SUCK!

Indeed, the swap was lame. They essentially punished the strongest players on the strongest tribe.

I hope P.G. and boobs Mcgee get whats coming to them.

Rob Helmerichs

10-18-2007, 08:57 PM

Well, I actually thought it was a brilliant maneuver. Whats funny is that I was laughing at how STUPID they were about the take 2 members thing...
No, I think they were stupid across the board. Jeff as much as told them so at Tribal Council--that they were counting on the game going exactly the way they thought it was going to go. But if there's one thing we've learned on this show, it's that they never let the game go the way you expect. One way or another, this decision is going to bite them in the @$$ big-time.

scottykempf

10-18-2007, 08:58 PM

Choose the Fiercest Warriors.....so the one tribe picks Frosti (ok), and Sherea???? What the....

MitchO

10-18-2007, 08:59 PM

They saw Sherea kick ass on the "push each other off the boat" challenge, and she hit two vases in the last one.

Who else do you take?

betts4

10-18-2007, 09:09 PM

Oh my. I feel so bad for James. And I couldn't stand the smirky smile laughing faces the girls had. I hope he does trash the place or just lay inert during the next challenge or yes, tell the other team what they girls did.

Too bad he couldn't win immunity all by himself for the team so the other team would be forced to get rid of sherea or frosti.

skywalkr2

10-18-2007, 09:12 PM

Don't the puzzle pieces in the challenge look just like Lost's Hatch symbols?

betts4

10-18-2007, 09:14 PM

Don't the puzzle pieces in the challenge look just like Lost's Hatch symbols?
They were that exactly. It's an ancient puzzle known well before Lost, but as a Lost fan, I loved it! Survivor Dharma = survivor comes to the lost island!

zordude

10-18-2007, 09:15 PM

I was really hoping for a twist where the tribe members went back after the challenge.

Z

smallwonder

10-18-2007, 09:20 PM

I'm putting down even money on next episode opening with James completely destroying the entire camp, throwing away all their stuff into the river, and living in the jungle until the producers of the show have to drag his ass out for the challenge.

:up: I think James is a good enough sport that he won't trash the camp but I would like to see him abandon those idiots to fend for themselves. And what happened to what's-his-name's testicles? What did he say: "I guess I'll vote for whoever they say."

Probst & Co. better huddle fast and make sure that this maneuver does not become modus operandi of terrible Survivor players.

Martha

10-18-2007, 09:24 PM

:down: to the TV wizards who decided gerry-mandering the tribes would be a good idea. Your tribe should be your tribe.

skywalkr2

10-18-2007, 09:25 PM

I cannot believe Aaron voted for James.

skywalkr2

10-18-2007, 09:27 PM

I have to say Aaron deserved his fate for voting for James.

LordKronos

10-18-2007, 09:42 PM

I have to say Aaron deserved his fate for voting for James.

I disagree. It was extremely unlikely Eric would side with them against the girls, and since the girls threw the challenge, it was fairly obvious which way they were voting. Aaron explained exactly why he voted for james.

Zzot

10-18-2007, 09:46 PM

I lost all respect for blondie.
What would the producers do if both tribes try to lose?

Peter000

10-18-2007, 10:12 PM

what happened to what's-his-name's testicles? What did he say: "I guess I'll vote for whoever they say."
Stupid fricking dumb on his part. He had the chance to swing the game totally in his favor and blew it. If I found out that two of my tribe mated DELIBERATELY threw a challenge, and I had an easy way to get them off, I'd take it instantly.

The three guys could have been a strong alliance, after the merge getting some of the other team with them.

astrohip

10-18-2007, 10:23 PM

Tough show to watch. :down:

* The entire concept of a permanent switch sucks. You have 99% doomed certain players to being voted off, and most likely those players will be the stronger ones in the tribes. And yep, they switched the stronger players, and yep, one of them was voted off. I know they like the mix-em-up concept, but this destroys the entire philosophy of building up your tribe, creating alliances, etc. It's one thing to send a player to the opposing tribe for a day or two, it's another to sentence them to death.

* Did Zhan Hu *really* think they would be getting two members, and not send two back? Dumbest. Tribe. Ever.

* Never never never throw a challenge. It never works. When (not if) others find out, you become untrustworthy in their eyes, and they WILL get rid of you. This move will backfire--guaranteed. There are so many variables in this game, and there has NEVER been a Survivor where someone hasn't flipped as the days progress. You can't throw a challenge based on a plan a week or two away; the underlying strategies will have shifted, and you will be left holding a big ol' sack of &#$.

Rob Helmerichs

10-18-2007, 10:46 PM

* The entire concept of a permanent switch sucks.
You're assuming it's permanent.

JLucPicard

10-18-2007, 11:39 PM

One of the last things Jeff said at TC was "IF things go the way you think they will, it may have been a good move. IF things don't go the way you think they will, it may not have been such a great move" (Paraphrased because I already deleted and can't quote directly, and the IF was emphaszed by me.)

It now sits at 7-4, with the original Zahn Hu's down 6-5, right? And this IS Surivor, right?

I'm betting that the merge happens next week - at 11 instead of 10. I think that would be GREAT!

Nice to see they provided new bikinis to the women. Sherea definitely looks better in blue than she did in her undies.

Man, I hope the merge is next week, or it's fixing to be a really boring episode, other than maybe some blow-ups, like if the Fei Long tribe finds out what transpired. Though I don't think James will go off like a wildman. I can see him separating himself from the other three goofs. And I wonder what Sherea and Frosti will think of that.

hummingbird_206

10-18-2007, 11:42 PM

Those girls are evil brillant. I hated it, but had to give them :up: for the scheme. I just hope James finds a way to survive.

Another topic....What was up with everyone getting a new swimsuit? I think the dummies who didn't plan ahead should have been stuck in their undies and buffs til they got booted off!

Gunnyman

10-18-2007, 11:50 PM

I'm having a hard time liking ANY of these people.
It's like that season of TAR that had Jonathan.
:(

Philosofy

10-19-2007, 12:10 AM

When they advertised such a shocking twist, I was hoping they would go to tribal council, and find Frosti and Sherea waiting to rejoin the tribe, while Aaron and James went back to Fei Long. Too bad that didn't happen.

HDTivoDesire

10-19-2007, 12:47 AM

PG-13 and Jaime made the correct move. Good thing the Virgin went along with it. If they don't merge next week, there may be a way that James can win the Immunity challenge all by himself. Yes, James is that good.

NinerK

10-19-2007, 02:16 AM

I get the logic and strategy behind throwing the challenge, I do. However, it was a weak move motivated by fear and narrowmindedness.

Why not be cool and try to get James and Aaron to flip? At least try to make an effort, test the waters......yes they threw them into the challenge pretty quickly after the swap but they still coulda tried to flip Aaron and James.

Agreed with several posters on:

The girls attitude, are you kidding? Like James said "if y'all wanna play high school then send me home".

The worst part was that the biotches had ZERO remorse that one of the dudes was going home. If they would have been sly I could have tolerated them; but that was just mean.

I said it during the show to my wife; this is like the Survivor when the winning team brought back chicken bones to their tribemates and then laughed and snickered at them eating the scraps.

And Virgin Dude? What in the heck? You are sticking to an alliance with 2 people that just THREW A CHALLENGE!!!! Grow a pair dude.

So far I only like Boston Lunch Lady, James and Todd (skinny Mormon kid).....

As for James tearing up the camp; I hope not. What I hope is the next time one of the biotches tries throwing a challenge that he just shove's them outta the way and says "we ain't losin', outta my way!" That would be money.

Mikkel_Knight

10-19-2007, 04:55 AM

It doesn't seem as if there's a single person besides Poker who is thinking beyond 3 days.

I mean - what was Fey Long thinking - we've got the numbers now and we can vote out John Robert...

Ugh...

Survivor is and always has been about numbers into the merge.

A 5-player team should not throw a challenge... I'm unhappy that Fey Long was so interested in voting out John Robert that he wasn't able to come up with a plan to throw the challenge and vote one of them off. A 7-player tribe can throw a challenge and even if your other two original tribe members flip (which James isn't going to do with his alliance with Lunch Lady and Poker, nor is Aaron with his strong ties to Fey Long), you still have numbers over the other tribe at a merge.

Throwing a challenge was a brilliant strategy - too bad the team that should have used it never figured it out. I thought with Poker swimming out that something like that was going to be in the works, but it just wasn't in the cards (so to speak).

Mikkel_Knight

10-19-2007, 04:56 AM

appleye1

10-19-2007, 06:44 AM

I really really REALLY hope that it comes out to the other tribe that Pai Gow and McBoobs blatently and completely threw the challenge next week so that Fey Long completely quits in order to protect James (who will be doing all he can to win - not to stay, but to compete).I don't think Fei Long is that loyal. Out of sight, out of mind.

What I'd like to see is a luxury challenge with a really fantastic prize that Zhan Hu needs desperately. And then James throws it so they don't get it. :cool:

LifeIsABeach

10-19-2007, 07:07 AM

Anubys

10-19-2007, 07:15 AM

I was a little disappointed that James never figured out for himself that they threw the challenge...but I'm glad he lives another day...

never did I ever get the urge to strike a woman until yesterday...watching McBoobs giggle uncontrollably made me want to punch her in the face...oh...about 4 or 5 times... ;)

she's just so happy that she "out-smarted" someone, and it wasn't even her idea!

SeanC

10-19-2007, 07:27 AM

Have they always had a merge?

If there's no merge then the whole plan blows up in their face.

jeffo13

10-19-2007, 07:29 AM

I was impressed with JR in the challenge. I think he beat everyone swimming out to the dock. I know he almost dumped the boat, but no harm was done. I like James the best, but I am also rooting for JR just because everyone hates him and I hate most of the people. You know the whole enemy of my enemy thing.

Jeff

heySkippy

10-19-2007, 07:31 AM

Have they always had a merge?

Always, but you never know exactly when it'll be. In the beginning it was typically when they were down to 8. I don't know why PG thinks it'll happen at 10.

SeanC

10-19-2007, 07:35 AM

Well, then, I'm hoping for a unprecedented no merge Survivor this time around.

SeanC

10-19-2007, 07:37 AM

I could swear I remember a season that had a team that lost every challenge. That team ended up being one woman on a beach by herself and that's when they merged. Does that sound familiar to anyone?

Gunnyman

10-19-2007, 07:38 AM

jradosh

10-19-2007, 07:41 AM

jradosh

10-19-2007, 07:42 AM

Yep was that Palau?
I liked that season.
The last two on the tribe were Bobby Jo and whatshername that everone liked. She came back for Survivor All-Stars IIRC.

Yeah, that season was an exception and I'm not sure it really worked from a "game play" point of view.

heySkippy

10-19-2007, 07:43 AM

I could swear I remember a season that had a team that lost every challenge. That team ended up being one woman on a beach by herself and that's when they merged. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
Yup. Stephanie and Bobby John's team lost every single immunity challenge until it was just the two of them left and then it was just her.

Didn't they both came back a couple seasons later as surprise contestants and she made it to the finals?

SeanC

10-19-2007, 07:46 AM

Ok, good, well I hope they do that again.

betts4

10-19-2007, 07:59 AM

never did I ever get the urge to strike a woman until yesterday...watching McBoobs giggle uncontrollably made me want to punch her in the face...oh...about 4 or 5 times... ;)
she's just so happy that she "out-smarted" someone, and it wasn't even her idea!

Gosh I am with you on that page! You know, if she hadn't been giggling, holding her laugh in so much....it may have/could have come across as a better plan. Her laughing about it made me hope it will come back and slap them in the face. Hey, maybe there will be a switch next week?

I also think it would have been cool if Eric would have voted for PG. The guys (james and aaron) could have presented it to him as a 'you get to keep mcboobs another week but we stay a strong team' - how will they win any challenges now with just aaron and the girls? you know James isn't going to be working too hard. well, unless the girls can somehow convince him they want to keep him around too. I would like to see Denise (lunch lady) snap PG in half.

So how about James at the next challenge yelling over to the other tribe "it's a trap...it's a trap" (envisioning a scene in empire strikes back for some reason)

RangersRBack

10-19-2007, 08:12 AM

Nice to see they provided new bikinis to the women. Sherea definitely looks better in blue than she did in her undies.

Well here's a statement I strongly disagree with. I thought Sherea looked habanero hot in her bra.

newsposter

10-19-2007, 08:18 AM

I loved the 1 person left on a tribe and would love to see that again this year.

JR is so bossy..too funny. Once you get a rep on this show, you just cant shake it.

betts4

10-19-2007, 08:23 AM

JR is so bossy..too funny. Once you get a rep on this show, you just cant shake it.

Why if he knows that it bothers people does he continue?

For the good of the camp? Because someone has to do it? He doesn't have much of a poker face or attitude.

IJustLikeTivo

10-19-2007, 08:54 AM

Choose the Fiercest Warriors.....so the one tribe picks Frosti (ok), and Sherea???? What the....

Sherea did well in the challenges but they could have easily got her by asking for the laziest B#$%h in camp too.

IJustLikeTivo

10-19-2007, 08:58 AM

Why if he knows that it bothers people does he continue?

Because he's as dumb as a box of rocks.

For the good of the camp? Because someone has to do it? He doesn't have much of a poker face or attitude.

It sure does make you wonder how he plays poker for a living. The only person with a worse poker face this week was James who just told them to their faces that he hated their lazy guts.

JLucPicard

10-19-2007, 08:58 AM

You know, people are going to have a problem with JR no matter how he phrases anything BECAUSE they want to have a problem with him. The whole 'first thing in the morning' conversation - I didn't really see anything wrong with what he was saying or how he was saying it. It's not Jeopardy where everything has to be phrased in the form of a question. The way he was talking to Denise about helping with the net didn't seem out of line to me. And I didn't see it as an attack on Courtney when he tried to warn her about the handle of the pot being hot. People are annoyed with him and are going to take everything wrong because of it. Good riddance.

Jebberwocky!

10-19-2007, 08:58 AM

:up: to the strategy of throwing the comp.
:down: to the execution of the strategy.

You can lose by a small margin and still lose. Morons!

As several mentioned "Them taking two of ours caught me by surprise!". Double morons :D

Rob Helmerichs

10-19-2007, 09:06 AM

The whole 'first thing in the morning' conversation - I didn't really see anything wrong with what he was saying or how he was saying it. It's not Jeopardy where everything has to be phrased in the form of a question. The way he was talking to Denise about helping with the net didn't seem out of line to me. And I didn't see it as an attack on Courtney when he tried to warn her about the handle of the pot being hot. People are annoyed with him and are going to take everything wrong because of it. Good riddance.
Well, I see their point. He's been bossy, so when he gives orders instead of making suggestions, of course it's going to annoy people. And he's SO touchy, whenever people have tried to steer him away from annoying habits, he's gotten angry and defensive. I can see where over time that kind of behavior would wear you down.

MegaHertz67

10-19-2007, 09:10 AM

I loved the 1 person left on a tribe and would love to see that again this year.

JR is so bossy..too funny. Once you get a rep on this show, you just cant shake it.
The funny thing is he was doing the right thing by being the self starter that day, and then he blows it by dictating to others what they should do instead of asking nicely. Whenever there is a power void or a responsibility void, I always have respect for the person who picks up the mantle and runs with it. But he managed to make it look calculated and disingenuous. I thought his "slow play" strategy was sound as long as he didn't wait too long to pick up his game. I think he waited too long.

As far as PG's strategy of throwing the challenge...also sound based upon her assumptions of a merge at 10. But for PG and Jaime to giggle their way through it and laugh in James' face and the to admit in tribal that you threw it on purpose is gonna come back to bite them. Ya gotta remember that they don't have all of the twists and challenges set in stone and they can adjust to keep the game interesting.

MegaHertz67

10-19-2007, 09:12 AM

Speaking of interesting, I hope this season doesn't come down to a few contestants that spent the majority of the season "flying under the radar." Those were the more unsatisfying endings to watch. I like it when you have a player take control either physically, mentally or emotionally and be a survivor that you either rally around and root for, or root like hell against.

You rooted for Player like Yul, Colby, Ethan, Firefighter Tom , and Terry because they stepped forward and were leaders. You rooted against Brian (and Clay), Richard (and Kelly), and Johnny Fairplay because they back-stabbed and lied their way to the end. You either loved the Rob & Amber pairing or you hated them. You either loved Rob Cesternino and his drooling over Jenna and Heidi, or you didn't. You either loved the Danni v Stephie season or you hated it. But they were all interesting. The worst ones were Vecepia winning over Neleh and Kathy, and Sandra beating Lil. Those finales committed to cardinal sin of being bland.

My favorite is still Chris being the last man after the merge in a tribe full of women and winning. I have yelled at the tv screen wondering why some years the women didn't realize they have numbers and just vote the guys out. They did it that year, and they kept Chris to concentrate on a few gals they didn't like. Then Chris started winning challenges and saving himself all the way to the end. That was fun.

montag

10-19-2007, 09:20 AM

I was a little disappointed that James never figured out for himself that they threw the challenge...Disappointed? Really? The guy may be strong but he's got the intelligence of a 3rd grader.

IJustLikeTivo

10-19-2007, 10:02 AM

Mikkel_Knight

10-19-2007, 10:14 AM

Rob Helmerichs

10-19-2007, 10:25 AM

Richard Hatch was brilliant and practically wrote the book on Survivor. He was the one you were rooting for because he was the one that set everything into motion. He was the one manipulating everybody. He had it figured out before anyone else had a CLUE what was happening. And he had it figured out in the first week on the island.
Although I still say he was only the second-smartest player in Season 1--Rudy had the better strategy of riding Richard's coat-tails, letting Richard take all the heat, and remaining well-liked. Had what's-her-name not had that stunning run of immunity wins, Rudy would have won.

TriBruin

10-19-2007, 10:37 AM

Richard Hatch was brilliant and practically wrote the book on Survivor. He was the one you were rooting for because he was the one that set everything into motion. He was the one manipulating everybody. He had it figured out before anyone else had a CLUE what was happening. And he had it figured out in the first week on the island.

I will say, that at the time, I HATED Richard and his strategy. When survivor was first announced, it was SURVIVOR. The best SURVIVOR, as judged by his peers, would be the $1mil winner.

Richard blew the game apart. Even Jeff Probst and Mark (?) have admited they did not expect the game to play out the way it did. They were in total shock and awe of Richard's game play.

Looking back now, I abosolutely admire Richard's game play, because Survivor has evolved in to the game he created. But I still think he is an arogant jerk. :D

Jebberwocky!

10-19-2007, 10:41 AM

but he looks good in prison stripes!

Hello from Bartlett :D

Anubys

10-19-2007, 10:54 AM

Disappointed? Really? The guy may be strong but he's got the intelligence of a 3rd grader.

you seem to confuse "disappointed" with "surprised" ;) :p

DevdogAZ

10-19-2007, 11:00 AM

Although I still say he was only the second-smartest player in Season 1--Rudy had the better strategy of riding Richard's coat-tails, letting Richard take all the heat, and remaining well-liked. Had Rudy not fallen asleep during the final immunity challenge and taken his hand off the pole, he would have won.
FYP.

DevdogAZ

10-19-2007, 11:02 AM

Richard Hatch was brilliant and practically wrote the book on Survivor. He was the one you were rooting for because he was the one that set everything into motion. He was the one manipulating everybody. He had it figured out before anyone else had a CLUE what was happening. And he had it figured out in the first week on the island.
+1

I rooted for him right from the beginning because he was the only one that "got it" and had a strategy for winning. The rest of the people were completely clueless that you needed other people to succeed. Remember that idiot that was just voting people out in alphabetical order?

pendragn

10-19-2007, 11:05 AM

* Never never never throw a challenge. It never works. When (not if) others find out, you become untrustworthy in their eyes, and they WILL get rid of you. This move will backfire--guaranteed. There are so many variables in this game, and there has NEVER been a Survivor where someone hasn't flipped as the days progress. You can't throw a challenge based on a plan a week or two away; the underlying strategies will have shifted, and you will be left holding a big ol' sack of &#$.
I disagree, Ozzy and gang threw an immunity challenge in Season 13 and Ozzy was one vote away from winning the whole deal. He got second place with 4 votest to Yul's 5. Saying it never works isn't true.

tk

DevdogAZ

10-19-2007, 11:08 AM

I hate the way this episode turned out, and I lost all respect for Jaime and her inability to keep a straight face, but I have to begrudgingly admit that the strategy was brilliant. If the merge happens as usual, and there's no reason to think it won't, they will have put themselves in a much better position.

Going back to some of the discussion about the Stephenie season where she ended up being the only player left on her tribe, I still think the merge happened at roughly the same time, it was just odd since the other team had never lost anyone. However, the overall production of the game wasn't really any different. I think the most they've ever played with the merge was when they put both teams together in the same camp at 11 total players, and Shii Ann openly aligned with the other team, then Jeff told them "Hey, I never said anything about a merge" and they were still competing as separate tribes. Shii Ann's team lost and she was immediately voted out.

DevdogAZ

10-19-2007, 11:16 AM

Nice to see they provided new bikinis to the women. Sherea definitely looks better in blue than she did in her undies.
Gotta toot my own horn a little bit. Here's what I said in the thread for the first episode of the season (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5526244&&#post5526244):
As far as the clothes, I think that's a big ruse. The people have been in China for several hours at that point, been on a train, a bus, etc. I think the "You're starting the game exactly like you are now" is just to create drama for the TV, but in reality the people already knew about it and their swimsuits and things will slowly appear when we've forgotten about the beginning episode. Case in point, their shoes were given to them in this episode.

Anubys

10-19-2007, 11:21 AM

you can pat yourself, I guess, but that's not how it happened ;)

the clothes didn't slowly appear, they suddenly appeared :p

hefe

10-19-2007, 11:21 AM

I hate the way this episode turned out, and I lost all respect for Jaime and her inability to keep a straight face, but I have to begrudgingly admit that the strategy was brilliant.
I feel about the same. While I understand the strategy, I HATED the way they were all smug and blatant about it, laughing and making a joke of they way they were railroading a teammate that could do nothing to help his own fate.

So on one hand, yeah, potentially smart, but on the other, I lost respect for them for the way they showed no respect to the others, and I hope this comes back to bite them hard.

Jayjoans

10-19-2007, 11:39 AM

What's with the "McBoob" moniker, wasn't she on American Idol?

Philosofy

10-19-2007, 11:42 AM

When you throw a challenge, it shouldn't be obvious like those two morons did. It shows you're trying to manipulate the game. You've got to lose, but not by much, and not be laughing the whole time. James should make them starve: nobody there can do any work anyway.

Jebberwocky!

10-19-2007, 11:43 AM

I feel about the same. While I understand the strategy, I HATED the way they were all smug and blatant about it, laughing and making a joke of they way they were railroading a teammate that could do nothing to help his own fate.

So on one hand, yeah, potentially smart, but on the other, I lost respect for them for the way they showed no respect to the others, and I hope this comes back to bite them hard.

I told my wife that the only way to pull it off was to not make it look like they were losing on purpose.

They looked like two kids caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

NinerK

10-19-2007, 11:44 AM

Virgin-boy had a golden opportunity and blew it.

He should have aligned with Surfer and Gravedigger to vote of PG-13. He wasn't included in the decision to throw the challenge, and he could easily have justified his switcheroo to his kidnapped tribemates based on that (and how they acted afterwards). I doubt anyone has any love for PG-13 except maybe McBoobs. And the new alliance would have earned him serious points with two very strong players (he could have gotten them to commit to protecting him until the merge at least).

+1, Well said. Virgin, PG and McBoobs (I guess this is the official TCF name for her) are useless and pathetic.

Again, excellent breakdown of Virgin Dude's opportunity and the fact that he could sell his flipping alliances. Poor guy thinks him and McBoobs are Rob and Amber 2.0.....so sad.

Not even a "are you trying to seduce me Mrs. McBoobs" from Virgin boy....just a puppy dog. And yet as a "virgin" you would think he would be halve a tad bit more of a self perservation instinct.

Another note:

I felt a little bad for John Robert when everybody woke up and was mocking, snickering etc, about him. I realize he has already tainted the relationship between him and his tribemates; but he was speaking in a very soft, unthreatening tone. He realized everybody was just waking up and he was just trying to get things going. Too bad he already tainted said relationships; he was trying pretty hard that morning.

Anubys

10-19-2007, 11:48 AM

the problem with flipping is that those who do it are usually the first to go once the alliance has gained control...

after all, they can't be trusted since they flipped once!

NinerK

10-19-2007, 11:53 AM

+1
Remember that idiot that was just voting people out in alphabetical order?

I want to say it was Shaun the dentist from new york. That was crazy.

GB Survivor Season 1.

Rob Helmerichs

10-19-2007, 11:56 AM

SeanC

10-19-2007, 12:06 PM

I think PG and Jaime were nowhere near as clever as they think they were, and that it's going to bite them sooner rather than later.

+1

Mikkel_Knight

10-19-2007, 12:06 PM

I think PG and Jaime were nowhere near as clever as they think they were, and that it's going to bite them sooner rather than later.
I hope so... 'cause James doesn't deserve to go out like that... Nobody would...

jradosh

10-19-2007, 12:09 PM

the problem with flipping is that those who do it are usually the first to go once the alliance has gained control...

after all, they can't be trusted since they flipped once!
I think this was the only scenario wherein it could have been pulled off. Virgin-boy could have sold his righteous indignation at the girls' innappropriate throwing of the game and subsequent offensive behavior. And if he'd gotten Surfer and Gravedigger to promise to keep him until the merge, then I think he'd have survived at least that long.

NinerK

10-19-2007, 12:12 PM

the problem with flipping is that those who do it are usually the first to go once the alliance has gained control...

after all, they can't be trusted since they flipped once!

True, but jradosh made an excellent point. Eric could has every right to vote off one of those bimbos. Which is what he should have done. He would then be tight with Aaron and James for the foreseable future, because he would have single handedly kept them in the game. And he would have at least garnered some respect form McBoobs. She would have been angry; but she would have learned a valuable lesson: Virgins are not to be trifled with!

NinerK

10-19-2007, 12:14 PM

Well, judging by the discussion here, we can surmise that Survivor is BACK!

For now, at least.

hefe

10-19-2007, 12:16 PM

I must have missed something...who are we calling McBoobs?

Philosofy

10-19-2007, 12:17 PM

Also, Virgin should have realized he is not in very well with McB and PG: they didn't let him know about their plan until it was all over.

Havana Brown

10-19-2007, 12:18 PM

True, but jradosh made an excellent point. Eric could has every right to vote off one of those bimbos. Which is what he should have done. He would then be tight with Aaron and James for the foreseable future, because he would have single handedly kept them in the game. And he would have at least garnered some respect form McBoobs. She would have been angry; but she would have learned a valuable lesson: Virgins are not to be trifled with!

But aren't the virgin and McBoobs getting intimate. Another Romber perhaps? Last week she was wearing his hat, this week his shirt and she was flirting with him in the water. They're not going to turn on each other anytime soon. He's following her like a puppy dog, that's why he didn't vote for PG-13.

Anubys

10-19-2007, 12:20 PM

I must have missed something...who are we calling McBoobs?

Jaime...the one who could not stop giggling...

Anubys

10-19-2007, 12:24 PM

I think this was the only scenario wherein it could have been pulled off. Virgin-boy could have sold his righteous indignation at the girls' innappropriate throwing of the game and subsequent offensive behavior. And if he'd gotten Surfer and Gravedigger to promise to keep him until the merge, then I think he'd have survived at least that long.

ah...so you want a virgin boy to think with his BRAIN? while Jaime is strutting around near naked with see-through undies?

I don't think so! :p

NinerK

10-19-2007, 12:28 PM

Also, Virgin should have realized he is not in very well with McB and PG: they didn't let him know about their plan until it was all over.

Agreed 100%; that reason alone should have earned his vote for PG

Philosofy

10-19-2007, 12:29 PM

Speaking of near naked, has anyone else noticed they are blurring things a lot more than they need do. Jean Robert's belly button, Sherea's cleavage (not even close to being a nip slip), etc.

jradosh

10-19-2007, 12:30 PM

ah...so you want a virgin boy to think with his BRAIN? while Jaime is strutting around near naked with see-through undies?

I don't think so! :p
As I posted earlier today...See what happens when you don't relieve your tensions with sex!
So... no I don't actually expect the blood to return to his brain anytime soon. :p

NinerK

10-19-2007, 12:31 PM

But aren't the virgin and McBoobs getting intimate. Another Romber perhaps? Last week she was wearing his hat, this week his shirt and she was flirting with him in the water. They're not going to turn on each other anytime soon. He's following her like a puppy dog, that's why he didn't vote for PG-13.

See Below:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jradosh
Virgin-boy had a golden opportunity and blew it.

He should have aligned with Surfer and Gravedigger to vote of PG-13. He wasn't included in the decision to throw the challenge, and he could easily have justified his switcheroo to his kidnapped tribemates based on that (and how they acted afterwards). I doubt anyone has any love for PG-13 except maybe McBoobs. And the new alliance would have earned him serious points with two very strong players (he could have gotten them to commit to protecting him until the merge at least).

+1, Well said. Virgin, PG and McBoobs (I guess this is the official TCF name for her) are useless and pathetic.

Again, excellent breakdown of Virgin Dude's opportunity and the fact that he could sell his flipping alliances. Poor guy thinks him and McBoobs are Rob and Amber 2.0.....so sad.

Not even a "are you trying to seduce me Mrs. McBoobs" from Virgin boy....just a puppy dog. And yet as a "virgin" you would think he would be halve a tad bit more of a self perservation instinct.

NinerK

10-19-2007, 12:36 PM

True, but jradosh made an excellent point. Eric could has every right to vote off one of those bimbos. Which is what he should have done. He would then be tight with Aaron and James for the foreseable future, because he would have single handedly kept them in the game. And he would have at least garnered some respect form McBoobs. She would have been angry; but she would have learned a valuable lesson: Virgins are not to be trifled with!

This is the quote I was thinking of:

Buttercup: "Who are you?"
Westley: "I'm no one to be trifled with. That is all you ever need know."

Aah, what could have been for Virgin Dude......

Anubys

10-19-2007, 12:44 PM

This is the quote I was thinking of:

Buttercup: "Who are you?"
Westley: "I'm no one to be trifled with. That is all you ever need know."

Aah, what could have been for Virgin Dude......

instead, all he said was "as you wish"!

hefe

10-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Jaime...the one who could not stop giggling...
I can't go with that. Not with Sherea still in the game.

DevdogAZ

10-19-2007, 01:02 PM

I can't believe anybody who's watched this show in the past could think that was a good strategy! It was a strategy based entirely and solely on the principle that everything will go exactly as they expect it to go. But we know from past experience that they LOVE to shift things around, and this particular "twist" doesn't really make sense unless there's more to come.

I think PG and Jaime were nowhere near as clever as they think they were, and that it's going to bite them sooner rather than later.
I can't believe you don't see the brilliance. For the past few seasons, they've been doing a "switch" a few shows before the "merge." Generally, the switch has prevented long-term alliances, as those that were formed pre-switch often get blown up post-switch. I don't think any team has ever realized that after the switch, they can control the game by losing and voting out the members of the other tribe. Perhaps MB will toy with the game to thwart what they have planned, but my guess is that this switch was planned from the beginning, as is the subsequent merge, and MB is probably really impressed with the way they've invented to make the switch work in their favor.

NinerK

10-19-2007, 01:08 PM

instead, all he said was "as you wish"!

LOL......So sad.

pendragn

10-19-2007, 01:12 PM

I can't believe anybody who's watched this show in the past could think that was a good strategy! It was a strategy based entirely and solely on the principle that everything will go exactly as they expect it to go. But we know from past experience that they LOVE to shift things around, and this particular "twist" doesn't really make sense unless there's more to come.

I think PG and Jaime were nowhere near as clever as they think they were, and that it's going to bite them sooner rather than later.
Like I said here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5613852&&#post5613852), it's been used in the past and it has worked. That's the only previous time I've seen it done and the guy that thought of it damned near won the whole shooting match. How can you say anyone that's watched the show would think it's a bad idea?

tk

Rob Helmerichs

10-19-2007, 01:21 PM

Like I said here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5613852&&#post5613852), it's been used in the past and it has worked. That's the only previous time I've seen it done and the guy that thought of it damned near won the whole shooting match. How can you say anyone that's watched the show would think it's a bad idea?
Because if they had, they'd know that whenever players try to play last year's game, they find themselves losing this year's game. I'm pretty sure the producers have seen past seasons, and are aware of the trick, and built this twist in such a way to "trick" players into doing something rash.

I guess we'll see. I just can't imagine this is not a giant set-up that PG et al. have walked blindly into.

Jebberwocky!

10-19-2007, 01:22 PM

Two choices, win the challange (you just added the best player) and be pretty sure your one of your opriginal tribemates is going home on the other team, Rince repeat.

Or, try something to get your original tribemates all thru the next two rounds.

Of course nothing is guaranteed but not a bad plan on its own

latrobe7

10-19-2007, 01:26 PM

The validity of the strategy will play out over the coming weeks; but if it does work out for them it's just dumb-luck - because they are dumb.

I could not believe McBoobs throwing the puzzle piece off to the side; how transparent is that?! I was surprised James didn't figure out they were sandbagging at the moment it was happening.

And earlier in the show when they all thought "Oh, we're getting two more members", without any sense that the other tribe would get the same note - duh!

The topper was when the girls were giggling like 10-year olds that just planted a whoopee-cushion!

I hope James is the only person from that group who survives to be a factor after the merge.

pendragn

10-19-2007, 01:41 PM

montag

10-19-2007, 02:01 PM

I can't see how Jamie has earned this McBoob nickname. There really is nothng remarkable about her breasts.

Rob Helmerichs

10-19-2007, 02:33 PM

Don't get me wrong, I think their implementation is flawed, especially since they need to throw another challenge and James knows now. I think the plan in general is good, at least as good as not doing it.
...if and only if the game proceeds exactly as they expect it to.

But I'll bet it doesn't. I'll bet there's a secondary twist coming. This game NEVER goes exactly as they expect it to. And people who play as if it does usually end up in deep doo-doo.

jeffo13

10-19-2007, 02:33 PM

I hope next week they get a note for James only to pick someone he can switch with.

Jeff

Mikkel_Knight

10-19-2007, 02:34 PM

I can't see how Jamie has earned this McBoob nickname. There really is nothng remarkable about her breasts.
I think it's pretty much all she has going for her?

Jebberwocky!

10-19-2007, 02:40 PM

RangersRBack

10-19-2007, 03:57 PM

I can't see how Jamie has earned this McBoob nickname. There really is nothng remarkable about her breasts.

Exactly...unlike the spectacular Sherea of course.

I agree with the poster who said he can't understand why Jamie is being called McBoobs when Sherea is still in the game.

heySkippy

10-19-2007, 04:05 PM

There's more than one slang meaning for boob.

pendragn

10-19-2007, 04:31 PM

...if and only if the game proceeds exactly as they expect it to.

But I'll bet it doesn't. I'll bet there's a secondary twist coming. This game NEVER goes exactly as they expect it to. And people who play as if it does usually end up in deep doo-doo.
So how else are they supposed to make decisions? They can't take a single thing they've seen in 13 previous seasons and try to learn from it? The second they do someone is going to use your argument to shoot it down. How are the players supposed to form any kind of strategy? We all know it's impossible to "expect the unexpected." Of course there's risk, no one is saying their plan is foolproof. But I disagree with those saying it's dumb. It worked before, it could work again. Like others have said trying to flip Aaron or James wouldn't have worked because you can't trust those that flip. Oh wait, maybe you can because you'd expect that you can't and this game NEVER goes exactly as you expect. I guess they're dumb no matter what they do.

tk

latrobe7

10-19-2007, 04:52 PM

There's more than one slang meaning for boob.
True, but then wouldn't the correct usage be singular like 'fool'. As in "She's a fool"/"She's a boob". People are definitely using the plural.

I like your definition better, but just sayin'...

dianebrat

10-19-2007, 05:25 PM

I have to say, I was also amazed at how poorly they threw the challenge, and how blatant it was with them giggling. Neither Aarron nor James deserved to be out of the game due to the McBoobsie twins.

I kept waiting at tribal for Jeff to say "...but you can't vote off James or Aarron" (because that has been used before, but not popped as a surprise) and was enjoying the possibility it would backfire on them for throwing the challenge, but alas.

I'm also of the "brilliant plan, horrid execution" camp.

Diane

Anubys

10-19-2007, 05:33 PM

Because if they had, they'd know that whenever players try to play last year's game, they find themselves losing this year's game. I'm pretty sure the producers have seen past seasons, and are aware of the trick, and built this twist in such a way to "trick" players into doing something rash.

I guess we'll see. I just can't imagine this is not a giant set-up that PG et al. have walked blindly into.

shoot...I totally agree with Rob...(I need to re-evaluate where I went wrong, then! :p )...

but really, these are the same people who didn't stop to consider the possibility that 2 of their tribe would also go over...they also didn't consider the possibility that the switch would reverse next week...

DevdogAZ

10-19-2007, 05:36 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody has ever used this strategy before to thwart the effects of the switch. Therefore, I don't see why MB wouldn't allow this to stand. It's an innovative way to make the switch work in your favor, and as long as it hasn't been done before, I think he'll let their strategy work.

If it had been done like this before, then I'd expect another twist coming right behind it so it wouldn't work, but since I don't think it's happened before, I think MB will let it work this time, so he can then twist it on the next group next time.

jhausmann

10-19-2007, 05:45 PM

There is a precedent for a merge-less season, Palau. The players referered to the addition of Stephanie as a merge but the producers considered Stephs tribe 'conquered' ..,

Which seems to me a fitting result for a season that places Sun Tsu's "The Art of War" as a guiding principle, as the book is about one group conquering another. FWIW, I think the boobs (not describing a physical asset but their mental prowess. I also include the virgin is this group) have screwed themselves and there wont be much giggling when they have a competition to decide who, as the tribe's sole survivor, must be absorbed into the other tribe.

One way or another, we should know in a month (or less) because once James goes I don't see the group of three winning anything.

Rob Helmerichs

10-19-2007, 05:46 PM

shoot...I totally agree with Rob...
Well, after all, you ARE a...

newsposter

10-19-2007, 06:11 PM

Speaking of near naked, has anyone else noticed they are blurring things a lot more than they need do. Jean Robert's belly button, Sherea's cleavage (not even close to being a nip slip), etc.

however they do not blur the 1/2 inch or so of amanda's butt sticking out the bottom of her shorts. What a disgraceful uneven application of blurring

DevdogAZ

10-19-2007, 07:05 PM

however they do not blur the 1/2 inch or so of amanda's butt sticking out the bottom of her shorts. What a disgraceful uneven application of blurring
Why on earth should they blur that?!?!

newsposter

10-19-2007, 07:48 PM

Why on earth should they blur that?!?!

I'm not saying they should, I'm saying it appears to be mis-even application. If you blur a butt crack or the top of a persons private area, why not the bottom of the butt?

JLucPicard

10-19-2007, 07:49 PM

I have a feeling they're not blurring JR's belly button, but his pubes. And thank goodness for that. They also blurred Jamie's "underside" when she dove into the water. As for the blurred shot of Sherea, I could see where there might have been a bit of exposed areola.

Aside from the shot of Denise during the "push then off the planks" challenge, I would be interested in seeing the DVDs if the blur-o-vision wasn't employed. Oh yeah, I could also do without Dave the ding-dong and JR's pubes.

smallwonder

10-19-2007, 08:02 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody has ever used this strategy before to thwart the effects of the switch. Therefore, I don't see why MB wouldn't allow this to stand.

Maybe because it makes for boring viewing? If viewers are forced to sit thru 3 lazy team members throwing challenges just to inevitably vote out the strongest players, how many would watch? People might tune back in post-merge but in the meantime, it'd be like watching one team let another team score - again, and again, and again. :down:

bareyb

10-19-2007, 10:17 PM

Stupid fricking dumb on his part. He had the chance to swing the game totally in his favor and blew it. If I found out that two of my tribe mated DELIBERATELY threw a challenge, and I had an easy way to get them off, I'd take it instantly.

The three guys could have been a strong alliance, after the merge getting some of the other team with them.

Exactly. I have to wonder if some of these people have ever seen the show. :rolleyes: :p

Bob Coxner

10-20-2007, 08:50 AM

What happens if at the reward challenge James tells his former tribe about the deliberate throwing of the immunity challenge and that it will be happening again next time? Even if he has to yell it out to them. Do we then have BOTH tribes trying to throw the immunity challenge? Jeff says "go" and everyone just stands there. That would make for exciting television.

It's also possible that Fei Long figures it out on their own. Maybe one of them saw McBoobs toss the puzzle piece away or else they analyze the result and realize what happened.

Either way I don't think the production team could risk having both teams trying to throw a challenge at the same time. Something will absolutely change the dynamic next week BEFORE the immunity challenge.

Joeg180

10-20-2007, 09:31 AM

You can't sit players out back to back, but, shouldn't there be limit!

Come on put the anorexic in this game please.

What was with the new clothes for everyone?

Philosofy

10-20-2007, 10:05 AM

That one team lucked out: with no reward challenge this week, they were able to sit Courtney out at the immunity challenge. If Courtney was in it, James could have tied PG and McB up, and won the challenge himself.

Tivortex

10-20-2007, 10:08 AM

Would someone please please please feed the Skeleton Girl ? Please ?

Mike1138

10-20-2007, 10:53 AM

So why do PG and Jamie think their alliance with Sherea and Frosti is so strong? I know there is a lot of editing but they have not shown the 4 of them hanging out and talking strategy or having a good time. I think they already set up the "twist" when they played the clip of Sherea talking about how she doesn't fit in with Zahn Hu and how they always go off and do their own thing.

I hate the vote of the strongest players angle. I want to see the strongest/smartest people play for the million.

pendragn

10-20-2007, 12:53 PM

Either way I don't think the production team could risk having both teams trying to throw a challenge at the same time. Something will absolutely change the dynamic next week BEFORE the immunity challenge.
I don't remember them doing anything different the last time a time threw a challenge in order to vote someone off. At that time there were four teams though, so it might not have been as much of a worry.

tk

JLucPicard

10-20-2007, 03:26 PM

And if I remember right, it was nowhere near so blatant - nor admitted to at TC.

pendragn

10-20-2007, 03:49 PM

And if I remember right, it was nowhere near so blatant - nor admitted to at TC.
I thought they discussed it at TC, but I could be wrong. Here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=318081&page=1&pp=30) is the thread where it was discussed. It's never mentioned whether it was discussed at TC or not, but this (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4407179&&#post4407179) posts suggests that even if it wasn't blatant, it was at least obvious. I remember Jeff commenting on it during the challenge, too.

tk

Rob Helmerichs

10-20-2007, 04:01 PM

Philosofy

10-20-2007, 04:04 PM

And in the past, Jeff has REALLY hated people who give up or throw challenges. As in raw, dripping, undisguised contempt. If there wasn't already a twist planned that would make PG & Jaime's stunt backfire (and I remain convince there was), I'm sure there is now (the now of the show, that is).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the twists and turns had to be planned before the start of the game, just for this reason. If they throw in a twist to mess up PG and Jaimie, they can complain that they are rigging the game against them.

uncdrew

10-20-2007, 04:18 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the twists and turns had to be planned before the start of the game, just for this reason. If they throw in a twist to mess up PG and Jaimie, they can complain that they are rigging the game against them.

Ya beat me to it.

They can't go changing the twists mid-season. That's what I always thought. And since I thought that, I think the gals plan was great. The producers can't switch things to prevent someone from winning.

And while it showed little respect and the giggling was over the top and uncalled for, I think the plan will work for them. They're knocking off the strongest members of the other team. That's good game play there.

I'm thinking there was/is another twist already planned for next week.

Perhaps the people that switched camps get to pick to stay or go back. This week I was hoping the losing tribe would go to tribal council with it's original members. That would have been great to witness.

Rob Helmerichs

10-20-2007, 04:19 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the twists and turns had to be planned before the start of the game, just for this reason. If they throw in a twist to mess up PG and Jaimie, they can complain that they are rigging the game against them.
They do change things as they go along, although I do doubt they would specifically do something to screw over a particular contestant. I think this is not technically a game show, and thus is exempt from some of the laws that govern game shows. It would have to be, since they've changed the rules in mid-season in the past.

In this case, I believe the contestants have screwed themselves by playing into a trap the producers have set in advance, and that we'll probably see that trap soon. I'm just sayin' that with Jeff's attitude in the past towards players like PG and Jaime, they shouldn't expect anything to go their way in the future.

uncdrew

10-20-2007, 06:03 PM

In this case, I believe the contestants have screwed themselves by playing into a trap the producers have set in advance, and that we'll probably see that trap soon. I'm just sayin' that with Jeff's attitude in the past towards players like PG and Jaime, they shouldn't expect anything to go their way in the future.

I agree.

I think somehow they played right into a trap. I'm a bit chafed too, like Jeff.

sushikitten

10-20-2007, 08:59 PM

Anubys

10-20-2007, 09:55 PM

Why oh why can't they figure out when it's best to sit Courtney out? Oh, here's a challenge where she has to expend effort and throw balls (a fair distance) at vases, yes, let's her do that. But here's something where she'd pretty much just have to stand and fit some puzzle pieces on a board...let's sit her out this one. :confused:

I know they don't know what challenges are coming up, but just because she CAN sit out every other challenge doesn't mean she HAS to.

they have been very stupid about it...but in fairness, the throwing challenge wasn't a choice...they had sat her down on the previous challenge and had to play her in that one (you can't sit the same people in consecutive challenges)...

Mike1138

10-20-2007, 10:05 PM

they have been very stupid about it...but in fairness, the throwing challenge wasn't a choice...they had sat her down on the previous challenge and had to play her in that one (you can't sit the same people in consecutive challenges)...

Well... In fairness they had to play her in that challenge because they sat her out of a challenge where she had to hold a stick and walk 40 feet... :confused:

uncdrew

10-21-2007, 10:01 AM

Well... In fairness they had to play her in that challenge because they sat her out of a challenge where she had to hold a stick and walk 40 feet... :confused:

Which was smart. Those sticks are too heavy for her.

Anubys

10-21-2007, 10:45 AM

Which was smart. Those sticks are too heavy for her.

she can't even lift her own arms :confused:

:D

Mike1138

10-21-2007, 10:54 AM

Well, thats true but I was shocked to see them sit her out on that challenge. She could have been on the first "leg" where they sticks were pretty short. I'm waiting for them to have a challenge where they serve people food. "uhh yeah, we're going to sit Courtney out."

marksman

10-21-2007, 10:57 AM

At first I thought it was a genius move. Remmebering the kidnapping every week, if they do a kidnapping at the reward challenge, then the plan is screwed, unless they kidnap one of the two people from their old tribe. I guess with the numbers they could force that.

Ruth

10-22-2007, 01:11 PM

Throwing challenges is a horrible, horrible idea.

It diminishes everyone's trust in you, it decreases the morale and strength of your tribe, and it puts you at risk at TC as the people who betrayed the group. The strategy also relies on a LOT of assumptions, not only the merge, but also what is going on at the other camp -- Jaime and PG are giving the other tribe a lot of time to bond and they seem to be totally ignoring the possibility that their former teammates will form alliances at the other tribe that might be stronger by the time of the merge. Haven't these people noticed that alliances can shift like crazy in this game?

That said, James and Aaron totally failed to capitalize on it. I cannot believe that they did not mount a full-scale assault on Jaime and PG and use TC to point out the betrayal and call for a vote out of one of them. Maybe it wouldn't have worked b/c of the sexual tension between Jaime and virgin (what's his name, Eric?) but on the other hand the women were acting like bratty little kids so they might have had a shot. I just can't believe they just gave up and/or turned on each other rather than at least try.

I don't know how it will happen but I really hope to see Jaime and PG get what's coming to them. I lost all possible respect for them in this episode.

IIRC, there was one other season where a tribe decided to throw a challenge -- they'd been winning everything and hadn't been to TC at all, but wanted to vote off some irritating people so they decided to throw it. But once they lost once, the other team saw that they were vulnerable and it totally shifted the momentum of the game. All of a sudden they weren't dominating anymore and they kept losing. It was a bad idea then and it was a bad idea now.

pendragn

10-22-2007, 01:34 PM

IIRC, there was one other season where a tribe decided to throw a challenge -- they'd been winning everything and hadn't been to TC at all, but wanted to vote off some irritating people so they decided to throw it. But once they lost once, the other team saw that they were vulnerable and it totally shifted the momentum of the game. All of a sudden they weren't dominating anymore and they kept losing. It was a bad idea then and it was a bad idea now.
Covered here. (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5613852&&#post5613852) To recap, Ozzy was the brains behind the previous "let's throw the challenge" idea and he was one vote away from winning the million dollars. I wouldn't say it was a bad idea at all. That's not to say that it will work in this instance, but it's been tried once in the past and it seemed to work. I don't understand how people can keep saying it won't or never does.

tk

Mikkel_Knight

10-23-2007, 10:22 AM

Covered here. (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5613852&&#post5613852) To recap, Ozzy was the brains behind the previous "let's throw the challenge" idea and he was one vote away from winning the million dollars. I wouldn't say it was a bad idea at all. That's not to say that it will work in this instance, but it's been tried once in the past and it seemed to work. I don't understand how people can keep saying it won't or never does.

tk
A semi-different scenario (4 teams)

It's not that it "won't" or "never does", but Survivor is (and so far always has been) about the "numbers". If you have numbers, you're more likely to survive and get further along in the game.

By throwing a challenge, you are reducing your numbers. If this is a week long (or longer) non-merge, the players you lost will develop new relationships with their new tribe and while they may come back to you, they will have conflicts when it comes to alliances.

Numbers is key. Have the numbers, and your chances at prolonging your stay are huge. If you're down, it's only a matter of time before you're picked off.

Pai Gow and McBoobs have taken a very big risk by choosing to throw the challenge. The risk being they hope that the two members that they "lost" will then return to them instead of cutting them adrift. They are banking on the past relationship when I think that would be a bad choice since a winning tribe will tend to mesh faster and form a stronger bond. Why would She-ra and Karate Kid reunite with "losers" when they could potentially stay in the game longer with "winners"?