Doctor Who - Last of the Time Lords - 10/5/2007 - Season 3 finale

[IndyJones1023]

I can't believe it's Sunday and there's no thread for this episode yet! I've searched to no avail. Great stuff! I loved it! How long do we have to wait for the next season?

[Sherminator]

So, we now know the identity of "The Face Of Boe".

How long do we have to wait for the next season?Well, S4 won't air in the UK until spring, so give it a few months for it to appear on SciFi.

Then we will have to wait until 2010 for S5

[IndyJones1023]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool, actually.

[spikedavis]

Loved it. I felt so bad for the Doctor being tortured like that for an entire year.

And the least Martha's mom could have done would have been to apologize to The Doctor for the way she treated him.

Now we have to wait 2 and 1/2 months for the Christmas Special! I've decided this season I will watch when they come out in the UK. I won't be able to wait for Sci Fi's delay...

[Sherminator]

...Now we have to wait 2 and 1/2 months for the Christmas Special! I've decided this season I will watch when they come out in the UK. I won't be able to wait for Sci Fi's delay...But can you wait for SciFi's airing in order to comment on the episodes on here? ;)

[spikedavis]

But can you wait for SciFi's airing in order to comment on the episodes on here? ;)


That's why I said after this season-I'm not going to wait for them to air here!

[cheesesteak]

I'm trying to remember what was missing from the original BBC version I watched months ago. After the timeline was restored, didn't Martha hook up with the resistance fighter guy she met at the beginning of the episode?

I didn't like this Master much at all. They say your first Doctor is usually your favorite.
I assume it's the same for the Master.

[betts4]

Okay, I finally watched this last night. I thought the episode was very very well played.

I was a little creeped out by the ancient Doctor in the cage.

I loved Jack with the shirt with bullet holes in them. 'Here we go again'.
And face of boe...what fun!

And the Doctor holding the Master at the end was really great. Shows his true caring and seeing past other things.

I was expecting Martha to leave with Captain Jack at the end though.

[jones07]

Pleased that The Master is not really dead.

But as a 25 year viewer of Doctor Who I should have known that the ...........The Master never stays dead :p

[betts4]

What exactly did Jack say about the Face of Boe? I didn't hear it clearly, but got the drift.

[IndyJones1023]

What exactly did Jack say about the Face of Boe? I didn't hear it clearly, but got the drift.
+1

He said he was the face of Boe, but I am forgetting/didn't hear everything about his explanation.

[Magister]

He said "They called me the 'Face of Bo'"

Great episode. Wonderful stuff.

[IndyJones1023]

He said "They called me the 'Face of Bo'"

Great episode. Wonderful stuff.
Duh. We were asking why he was called that. I found it on Wikipedia:

In "Last of the Time Lords," the immortal Captain Jack Harkness expresses concern about how he might look if he lives "for a million years," because although he can't die, he is still aging, albeit slowly. He tells the Doctor and Martha that it's a matter of vanity, because he "used to be a poster boy when [he] was a kid in the Boeshane Peninsula," as the "first one ever to be signed up for the Time Agency ... the Face of Boe, they called me." This astonishes Martha and the Doctor. Writer Russell T. Davies, in the episode's commentary, called the implication of this scene "a theory" as to the Face of Boe's origins, prompting Executive Producer Julie Gardner to urge him to "stop back-pedalling" about the two characters being the same. Davies also mentioned that after writing the scene, he inserted a line in the ADR recording for "Gridlock" in which the Face of Boe calls the Doctor "old friend".

[betts4]

Thank Indy! Thanks Magister!

I keep forgetting about Wiki. But I remember the 'few gray hairs' line.

So what is a poster boy for Boeshane Peninsula mean?

[IndyJones1023]

I think it means that he was the first prominent person from his home town. Or something to that effect. He was representing his region with pride, their "poster boy," so to speak.

[betts4]

Thanks again. I was thinking some sort of child porn or something. :D I would love to have him be my poster boy. :D

[IDSmoker]

Since they apparently couldn't come up with an original way to "cure" the Doctor, at least they chose to rip off one of the classics!

So will Martha be back, or is Tinker Bell going to get a new lost girl... I mean companion next season? :D

[LoadStar]

Since they apparently couldn't come up with an original way to "cure" the Doctor, at least they chose to rip off one of the classics!

So will Martha be back, or is Tinker Bell going to get a new lost girl... I mean companion next season? :D
Spoiler for next season's Doctor Who:
Catherine Tate will return as Donna for next season's companion.
Spoiler for next season's Torchwood:
Martha will appear on Torchwood in a mid-season arc.

[jones07]

Spoiler for next season's Doctor Who:
Catherine Tate will return as Donna for next season's companion.


Noooo!! :eek:

[Langree]

I think it means that he was the first prominent person from his home town. Or something to that effect. He was representing his region with pride, their "poster boy," so to speak.

He could also of his likenesses on ads or posters, being the first recruited. An actual poster boy.

Heck, I was one, anything is possible :)

[betts4]

Noooo!! :eek:

+1

[busyba]

I'm trying to remember what was missing from the original BBC version I watched months ago. After the timeline was restored, didn't Martha hook up with the resistance fighter guy she met at the beginning of the episode?
She didn't hook up with him, she just called him at work, ostensibly to make sure he was alive. I think she might have given him a cryptic "Thank you" as well, I forget. She also tracked down the professor that had betrayed her and gave her a bouquet of flowers and said, "I just want you to know that I don't blame you" and then ran off, leaving the professor wondering what that was all about, but enjoying the flowers.

[latrobe7]

I loved the 'Face of Boe' twist! Wasn't the first time we see Boe, the first episode of the new series? I want to see that again, just to see if Boe recognizes Rose.

[IndyJones1023]

I loved the 'Face of Boe' twist! Wasn't the first time we see Boe, the first episode of the new series? I want to see that again, just to see if Boe recognizes Rose.
I don't think so. According to Wikipedia, they added the "my old friend" line in the Gridlock episode after it was shot.

[Langree]

I loved the 'Face of Boe' twist! Wasn't the first time we see Boe, the first episode of the new series? I want to see that again, just to see if Boe recognizes Rose.

I'd like to play it off and think that FoB/Jack is smart enough not to tip his knowledge of Rose, since as it's played out. THAT Doctor had no such knowledge, since his next regeneration is the one to find out.

[LoadStar]

I loved the 'Face of Boe' twist! Wasn't the first time we see Boe, the first episode of the new series? I want to see that again, just to see if Boe recognizes Rose.
The first time we saw The Face of Boe was in "End of The World," the second epsode. The Face of Boe did not speak in that episode at all, however. The first speaking role was in "New Earth."

[mportuesi]

I was really pleased with the way they handled the Master in this series of episodes. They provided a lot of backstory on the Master's character, revealed his particular form of insanity (which explains why he is evil), and expanded on his relationship with the Doctor, especially in the end scenes where the Doctor forgives the Master, and finally holds him in his arms. The whole idea of Gallifrey being gone, and the Doctor and Master being the last of their kind really was put to good use here, story-wise.

The Master is such a classic villain. I'm glad they kept him around for future scripts.

[doom1701]

Where is everybody getting the idea that the Master isn't dead? Sure, there's hints--and there's always the fact that the Master never dies, no matter how obvious his death seemed. But everybody here seems really certain that he didn't die, as if I missed something.

[IndyJones1023]

Where is everybody getting the idea that the Master isn't dead? Sure, there's hints--and there's always the fact that the Master never dies, no matter how obvious his death seemed. But everybody here seems really certain that he didn't die, as if I missed something.
Did you see when a female hand took his ring from the pyre?

[Langree]

I was really pleased with the way they handled the Master in this series of episodes. They provided a lot of backstory on the Master's character, revealed his particular form of insanity (which explains why he is evil), and expanded on his relationship with the Doctor, especially in the end scenes where the Doctor forgives the Master, and finally holds him in his arms. The whole idea of Gallifrey being gone, and the Doctor and Master being the last of their kind really was put to good use here, story-wise.

The Master is such a classic villain. I'm glad they kept him around for future scripts.

I think there's more to come. The ring being collected with the evil laughter, which to me sounded more like the classic Master.

Upon watching it again, I caught a few things.

The Doctor Pointing out he can't kill himself (but he allowed himself to die, his need for self preservation goes against that).

His "wife" being the one to kill him, yet it's seemingly her hand that collects the ring.

His Tardis is still somewhere I'm sure.

[busyba]

Where is everybody getting the idea that the Master isn't dead? Sure, there's hints--and there's always the fact that the Master never dies, no matter how obvious his death seemed. But everybody here seems really certain that he didn't die, as if I missed something.
Near the end of the episode, there's a scene at the location of the Master's funeral pyre. It's a closeup of the ground and a hand (that looks enough like the Master's wife's hand that it is reasonable to assume that we are meant to think that it is her hand) picks a ring up off the ground. The ring looks like it has markings similar to the pocket watch that could hold a Time Lord's identity. As the ring was retrieved, there was also a slight sound of ominous male laughter in the background (with a slight echo/reverb, as if the laughter was coming from inside a container of some sort, the ring perhaps?).

[doom1701]

I saw the ring scene--but the way everyone is talking, some guy with a goatee and a fancy jacket walked off with the ring. I'd agree that this is probably forshadowing of the Master's return (perhaps as the Master-ette?), but I wouldn't just flat out say that they kept the Master around.

[mportuesi]

His [the Master's] Tardis is still somewhere I'm sure.

According to the backstory, the Time Lords revived the Master and gave him a new set of regenerations because they needed his particular brand of assistance in their fight against the Daleks. If the Time Lords also impounded the Master's Tardis at the same time, then it would have been lost in the Dalek Time War and also lost in the Master's timeline.

Or maybe the Master used his Tardis to escape from Gallifrey and the Time War, and locked up his identity to escape tracking.

But who knows. The Master is a much more formidable foe to the Doctor if has a Tardis as well.

[Langree]

Or maybe the Master used his Tardis to escape from Gallifrey and the Time War, and locked up his identity to escape tracking.



This is my thought.

[busyba]

I saw the ring scene--but the way everyone is talking, some guy with a goatee and a fancy jacket walked off with the ring. I'd agree that this is probably forshadowing of the Master's return (perhaps as the Master-ette?), but I wouldn't just flat out say that they kept the Master around.
He's just mostly dead.

[cheesesteak]

How were the ratings for the Master story arc? If they were good, you can bet your sweet bippy that the Master will be back.

[cthomp]

I'm trying to remember what was missing from the original BBC version I watched months ago. After the timeline was restored, didn't Martha hook up with the resistance fighter guy she met at the beginning of the episode?

They also cut the scene the music number where the Master pushes the Doctor around in a wheelchair.

[busyba]

They also cut the scene the music number where the Master pushes the Doctor around in a wheelchair.
No big loss there. :D

[taronga]

No big loss there. :D

Aww.. that was my favorite bit, actually. I had that song stuck in my head for a week afterward.

I really loved this season ender. Give me John Simm acting his pants off over any number of Daleks and/or Cybermen any day.

[DianaMo]

Where is everybody getting the idea that the Master isn't dead? Sure, there's hints--and there's always the fact that the Master never dies, no matter how obvious his death seemed. But everybody here seems really certain that he didn't die, as if I missed something.

He's like Murdock on the Macgyver series...

[pgogborn]

Noooo!! :eek:Message to all next season monsters. Be afraid, be very afraid.

[pgogborn]

I saw the ring scene--but the way everyone is talking, some guy with a goatee and a fancy jacket walked off with the ring. I'd agree that this is probably forshadowing of the Master's return (perhaps as the Master-ette?), but I wouldn't just flat out say that they kept the Master around.The official word from Russell T. Davies is that his original intention was to kill the Master off permanently but a late decision was made to include a scene which would give a future writer the option to bring the Master back.

But then again Russell TA. Davies is a master of misinformation.

(the female hand that took the ring had the same vivid red nail polish used by the Master's wife)

[cheesesteak]

Why in God's name would anyone want to kill the Master permanently?

[Rob Helmerichs]

Why in God's name would anyone want to kill the Master permanently?
To my mind John Simms seemed to be doing his best, but I guess I'm in the minority there.

Which really stuns me...

[IndyJones1023]

To my mind John Simms seemed to be doing his best, but I guess I'm in the minority there.

Which really stuns me...
What do you mean? He was doing his best but it wasn't very good. Or he was doing his best and it was fantastic? Because I'm in the "fantastic" camp.

[Fl_Gulfer]

Just got around to watching the last show, what a awesome ending. one of the best shows or the series, I can't believe we have to wait so long for it to start back up. They should have just replaced the Dr.