Phillips 1080p tv users please read

[Zackmx222]

I am pulling my hair out i have tried two tivo boxes two seperate HDMI cables and two Phillips 42inch LCD 1080p tv's and I dont know what the problems is if its the cables the tivos or the tvs or they all just dont work together.

Symptons are as follow.

Powering up TV the tv flashes on and off with picture going in and out saying either unsupported video or no video signal this can take several minutes and several cycles before it finally settles and I can watch TV. Sometimes tho it maynot give me audio and I will have to cycle power to tv again and start over.

When changing from a HD channel to a std channel will lose audio.

I have tried different settings in my tv and my tivo but have not been successfull on correcting the problem altho it does go away if I use standard cables instead of an HDMI cable.

Is there a setup that will work with this tv,tivo combenation.

thanks in advance for any help

[Sy-]

Why not just set your tivo to output 1080i fixed? That why your tv doesn't have to change between display resolutions each time you change from sd to hd.

[Zackmx222]

I have it on 1080i fixed and it still does it. I tried that on both tv's I have returned everything once and also have had tivo and phillips on the phone.

[blhirsch]

I have it on 1080i fixed and it still does it. I tried that on both tv's I have returned everything once and also have had tivo and phillips on the phone.

YES YES! SAME EXACT PROBLEM HERE!!!! (Well, by "here," I mean my best friend's TV, but I helped her install it and couldn't figure out the problem.)

Why? Why?????

I switched to component and all was well, but this sucker is going on the wall soon and when I do that, I want to route one cable and have that cable be HDMI!

47" 1080p Philips. Costco special.

[Arcady]

Sentences end with periods.

Return the TV and buy one that works properly.

[blhirsch]

Sentences end with periods.

Return the TV and buy one that works properly.

What do you mean by "sentences end with periods"?

I'm sure I speak for the the OP as well, but I would prefer to fix the problem than lug a TV back to the store and deal with trying to find one similarly featured and of similar quality at a comparable price.

Do you have any suggestions that don't involve sidestepping the underlying problem?

[d_anders]

Sounds like a real issue with the Phillips TV handling the HDMI based HDCP handshake. Either settle with component cables, or return the TV. It shouldn't do that at all.

[Ppod]

Phillips 42PFL7432D model here, same issue. Reading threads elsewhere concerning its HDMI issues, it looks like a firmware update on the tv may fix it. Trying it out on mine this weekend as it's driving me batty (Phillips upscaling DVD player does it too, but not nearly as bad as when it handshakes with the TiVo HD).

[Arcady]

There's only one L in Philips. It's written in big letters on the front of your TV.

I don't get the point of 1080p sets. There's no content in 1080p, unless you are insane and pay $500 for a DVD player and $35 for discs. I wish I had money to waste.

At this point, if a company can't get HDMI right, try another company. My Sammmmmsung works great. :P

[moyekj]

There's only one L in Philips. It's written in big letters on the front of your TV.

I don't get the point of 1080p sets. There's no content in 1080p, unless you are insane and pay $500 for a DVD player and $35 for discs. I wish I had money to waste.

At this point, if a company can't get HDMI right, try another company. My Sammmmmsung works great. :P With 1080p sets you get the full 1920x1080 resolution as opposed to older sets that max out around 1280x720 and the picture quality is MARKEDLY better for 1080i content especially for bigger sets. In addition there is no scaling necessary for 1080i content, only de-interlacing, so there is merit to 1080p sets and these days given the price drops I wouldn't settle for anything less. Plus there is 1080p output from gaming consoles as well as HD/DVD and Blu Ray players and don't forget computers - 1080p makes for a nice computer monitor.

Having owned an older Philips LCD HDTV I have to agree - stay away from Philips (and Sony for that matter), but that is just based on my experiences not any broad based testimonials.

[Arcady]

My 1080i set does not have to scale 1080i content. I don't have 1080p content. I'm not paying $500 for a DVD player. Wake me up when they have picked a single format and the players cost $99.

[moyekj]

My 1080i set does not have to scale 1080i content. I don't have 1080p content. I'm not paying $500 for a DVD player. Wake me up when they have picked a single format and the players cost $99. Huh? There's no such thing as a "1080i" set...

[Arcady]

My Philips RPTV is 1080i. My Samsung CRT HDTV is 1080i. I'm sure there are lots of other 1080i sets. I found 665 1080i TV models on Google.

[Zackmx222]

I am glad to hear I am not the only one. The main thing as I was concerened is if its the tv and or the tivo from what I read its the tv. Well I have upgraded the software in the tv I returned and this one and niether of them work. I agree why by the 1080p but the price wasnt that much more and if they makes things better in the future I will have it. I most likely with have to watch without the HDMI connections and hope that there is a software upgrade that will resolve this or a fix. I have a one year service contract and reading the post that I am not alone I am already feeling better.

I think the people at Philips should read these posts it might help some of their techs. IF I where to change what is the best bang for the buck TV out there that will give me what my philips tv will give me.

I kinda got them by the balls I may keep this tv awhile and if they dont fix the problem then I will return it for something better when prices drop I am sure a lot of price dropping will happen with xmas around the corner.

any thoughts would be appreciated.

thanks

[SCSIRAID]

My Philips RPTV is 1080i. My Samsung CRT HDTV is 1080i. I'm sure there are lots of other 1080i sets. I found 665 1080i TV models on Google.

The interface being 1080i and the native panel resolution being 1080 (p) are two different things. The new 1080p rage in LCD's is speaking to the native panel resolution instead of the HDMI or Component interface format. All fixed pixel displays are 'p' by nature when you are speaking about the native panel resolution.

[blhirsch]

There's only one L in Philips. It's written in big letters on the front of your TV.

I don't get the point of 1080p sets. There's no content in 1080p, unless you are insane and pay $500 for a DVD player and $35 for discs. I wish I had money to waste.

At this point, if a company can't get HDMI right, try another company. My Sammmmmsung works great. :P

Well, _I_ don't have a Philips TV, so it's not written anywhere that I can see. I'm not sure why the grammar and spelling has gotten you so thoroughly. This is a casual forum, and those things don't bother me too much.

And you're talking to a former editor, current lawyer, and writer. In a legal brief? You betcha grammatical mistakes bother me. But here? I use words like "betcha." :)

As for getting 1080p sets, you've future-proofed yourself a bit, so unless you're buying sets more than every 5 years (and because you said you don't have money to waste, I can only assume you're not doing that) you have purchased something that will continue to show you the best content out there, which is why you bought the thing in the first place. Then again, we're both screwed when 2160p comes out. ;)

At any rate, as others have noted, 1080p sets show 1080i content. There's far more product selection in the 1080p class than in the 1080i class. I don't think I've seen a TV recently that can display 1920x1080 resolution that doesn't also support progressive scanning. Personally I'm not giving up 1080i content just to get a 720p television. The "sweet spot" on pricing is certainly on 1080p right now.

I can tell you this: When I DO buy my own set it won't be a Philips, or even a Phillips.

[David Platt]

There's only one L in Philips. It's written in big letters on the front of your TV.

I don't get the point of 1080p sets. There's no content in 1080p, unless you are insane and pay $500 for a DVD player and $35 for discs. I wish I had money to waste.



Since you're such a stickler for accuracy, you might want to change that to ~$300 for a player and ~$20 for most discs, unless you just wanted to exaggerate for effect.

[lessd]

For the what it's worth department I have a Series 3 HD connected to my Optoma 65" HDTV that is only 720P (its over 3 years old). I am using the HDMI and Component cables to the TV, why?, because when I first turn on the TV 50% of the time I get snow on the HDMI input, I then switch to the component input get a good picture and switch back to the HDMI and all is good. After sending me two new TVs that did the same thing i gave up and just do the component switch 50% of the time. So HDMI still has some bugs in it. (When i used the Moto HD cable box DVR before getting the Series 3 this happened 95% of the time, oh and i have changed cables 4 times no difference).

[ZeoTiVo]

II may keep this tv awhile and if they dont fix the problem then I will return it for something better when prices drop I am sure a lot of price dropping will happen with xmas around the corner.

any thoughts would be appreciated.

thanks
Why do you keep saying "fix the problem" TiVo or any other CE appliance can not change to deal with a bad HDMI design on the TV and that HDMI design is so ingrained in how the TV is put together that I doubt Philips can fix anything either.

[Onibroc42]

Just to add my own bit of snark - the XBox 360 and Playstation 3 both offer game content in 1080p.

[AbMagFab]

Costco special.

There's your problem. Buying high-end video equipment from a place that sells mayonnaise in giant jars isn't a great idea.

[aaronwt]

My 1080i set does not have to scale 1080i content. I don't have 1080p content. I'm not paying $500 for a DVD player. Wake me up when they have picked a single format and the players cost $99.
try $220 for an HD DVD player and most of my disc purchases have been under $20 and I have over 250 HD DVDs.
A $199(retail price) HD DVD player will be out in the 4th quarter. So street price might be around $150.

My 1080P set doesn't need to scale 1080i content either. It only needs to deinterlace it.

[David Platt]

try $220 for an HD DVD player and most of my disc purchases have been under $20 and I have over 250 HD DVDs.


To be fair, the $220 player is not capable of outputting 1080p; that's why I said $300 for a player (HD-A20). I don't want to give Arcady any loopholes to weasel out of his erroneous statement. ;)

[dubluv]

There's your problem. Buying high-end video equipment from a place that sells mayonnaise in giant jars isn't a great idea.

actually, costco adds an additional year on the factory guarantee, which is nice, and they give you 90 days to test drive it, and if you dont like it, you get a full refund. they also carry more brands than in the past. last count, Philips, sharp, sony, samsung, vizio and some others i can't remember, but a check of costco.com will show 'em all. local bestbuy and circuit city usually are more expensive, and costco doesnt have any arm twisting sales folks. all in all, i'd rate costco a great place to get a great deal on any hd tv, as long as you've already done a fair amount of your research. again, just my opinion, but i'm sure others will agree.

[Arcady]

You have bought 250 HD DVD discs? There are only ~280 released to date, and I have seen so many crap titles. There are 77,409 titles out on DVD, and I would never want to own 90% of them. But at least I have a nice selection to choose from.

As for your $220-300 players, I hadn't realized HD DVD was that cheap now. If I was going to bother with guessing on a format winner, I would buy a BluRay player.

And my TV sets were both purchased before 1080p sets were out (well there was one set that was like $9000) and there was nothing at all that output 1080p content, so I went with the sets I have. I'm perfectly happy with a 480p component connection from my $35 DVD player and my selection of 500+ DVDs. I also own an upconverting player with HDMI, and it looks no better to me (who cares if the player or the TV does the upconverting?) I still prefer my CRT-based HD sets to fixed-resolution LCD.

As for my problem with spelling, if you are going to put a product name in a thread title about that product, at least get that name spelled right. Nobody will ever find it in a search if you spell it wrong.

[aaronwt]

I also have a bunch of imported titles included in that number.
And there are more than 280 titles released. Some titles I have don't have a UPC code so they aren't counted for total releases since they aren't sold in the retail supply chain. All the HD DVD HDNet titles I have fall in this category.

[Ppod]

Just got a chance to try the Firmware update.
Q531U-0.51.12.1 is what I went to, which while not the newest, was the last 'stable' version. Thus far the hand shake process is improved. Not perfect, but not a 15-20 second fiasco.
.59.22.0 was just released days ago, but is looking like it might address the rest of the issue (59.15.0 was the last release, and generally not favored by the avs community).
I'm going to keep the firmware for the next week or so and see how it performs.

[blhirsch]

Just got a chance to try the Firmware update.
Q531U-0.51.12.1 is what I went to, which while not the newest, was the last 'stable' version. Thus far the hand shake process is improved. Not perfect, but not a 15-20 second fiasco.
.59.22.0 was just released days ago, but is looking like it might address the rest of the issue (59.15.0 was the last release, and generally not favored by the avs community).
I'm going to keep the firmware for the next week or so and see how it performs.

I'll see if that makes matters better.... Thanks!

[james.92]

Could this thread be moved over to the AVS forums? :)

They have about 43,000 threads arguing about hdmi, 1080i, etc.

[gardavis]

I wonder if this is the same problem I have with my HP PL4260N. This TV uses Philips remote control codes so maybe it is really a Philips under the skin. Since adding my HD Tivo, it occasionally goes black when changing channels or powering on. I have an A/V Receiver in between the Tivo and the TV. Both connected with HDMI cables. My fix is to power cycle the receiver or sometimes the TV (never the Tivo).

Gary Davis

[HiDefGator]

Perhaps like me, he bought the 1080P set because of the other features they included with the higher price.

And according to my newspaper today there will be 1080P DVD players out for christmas priced at $199. Unless you want the Blue ray which is still $400+.

[Tallguy001]

A new firmware version was just released (64.014). This has resolved the HDMI issue between my TivoHD and Phillips 47PFL7432.

[sbird]

Go get the new Philips firmware release (000.064).
(Sorry I can't put the direct link in as I haven't posted on this forum 5 times.)


Philips fixed the HDMI handshaking issues! Works perfectly now with the HD TiVo!

Bob

[Joybob]

A new firmware version was just released (64.014). This has resolved the HDMI issue between my TivoHD and Phillips 47PFL7432.

You can upgrade firmware on a television?!?!

[CharlesH]

You can upgrade firmware on a television?!?!On some of the newer HD TVs you can. They include a USB port which is there for only that purpose.