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Knives of Ice

09-13-2007, 09:13 PM

haha...2nd best season of big brother ever. probably some of cbs' biggest ratings ever. so glad dick won tonight.

dick is one of those people that if he is your friend he will do anything for you and will fight to the death with you...but if he is your enemy look out. in the game when people were against him he attacked. if anything he was real and i can appreciate that, good or bad. plus, he was super entertaining and thank god for him being on this season without him it would have been the worst season ever. he absolutely made the show....and in the end it is a SHOW.

unicorngoddess

09-13-2007, 09:23 PM

The thing I hate is that D&D wouldn't even be in the game right now if it weren't for America's Player. They annoy me to no end by bragging about what a great game they played.

That being said, I hope Dick gets the money over Danielle. She's such an annoying brat.

gossamer88

09-13-2007, 09:48 PM

C'mon you Dick haters, don't hate 'cause he's ugly...hate the rest of the house for not "muscling" him out! At this point I don't care who wins. Although I have a sneaky suspicion that Dick will prevail.

Do feel bad for Zach though. Unlike other floaters that we've seen in reality shows, he brought it on in the end.

BigT4187

09-13-2007, 09:48 PM

I couldn't care less who wins ........ that being said, I'll still tune in to the last two shows.

mwhip

09-13-2007, 09:53 PM

I have a feeling Eric is just going to ignore the task and will have a pretty good speech planned outlining the whole AP thing and apologizing for letting D&D get this far.

Only good thing that can happen now is if they boycott the vote saying since they are family it really does not matter who gets the money.

Oh and my prediction for next year during an update show on BB9 is D&D not talking to each other due to the money. More things change more they stay the same.

IndyJones1023

09-13-2007, 09:55 PM

I was really rooting for Zach. :(

And I hope Dick gets the money taken away for cheating.

mwhip

09-13-2007, 10:00 PM

I was really rooting for Zach. :(

And I hope Dick gets the money taken away for cheating.

They are not going to do anything to Dick like I have said he is America's sweetheart. I do think the off season will be marred with controversy with the actions of Dick and Amber. Maybe Jen will get some kind of vindication for the iced tea incident.

I wish the AP vote was for Eric to take a swing at Dick. Yeah I am that petty.

newsposter

09-13-2007, 10:13 PM

C'mon you Dick haters, don't hate 'cause he's ugly..

i freely admit to not viewing the screen all the time, especially when another guy is on screen...but tonight i saw in the tank he had a shirt on so he 'must' be so ugly he didnt want to remove his shirt even :)

DLL66

09-13-2007, 10:19 PM

I can't wait to see that stupid and suprise look on Dustin's face when Zach walks into the sequestial house!!!! LMAO

timr_42

09-13-2007, 10:23 PM

Do feel bad for Zach though.

I don't. He could have took out Dani last week when he had a chance. The moment he didn't do that, his fate was sealed.

Of the final three, I wanted Dani to win, however she is such a whiner, I don't know that I care. ED was a D. I don't see what he did as good gameplay. He was just not a nice guy.

He gave the show a boost, but I wish he would have went out fourth.

TriBruin

09-13-2007, 10:39 PM

Could Dick be a bigger poor sport? Zach showed a lot of class to walk over after the first round and congratulate Dick. Dick just ignored him, typical Dick (no) class.

This is the worst final two ever (yes, worse than Maggie and Ivette.) Just cancel the last two episodes and mail the check to a bar in LA, I am sure that Dick will crawl out and find it.

nyny523

09-13-2007, 10:41 PM

Well, THAT was a huge bag of suck.

gossamer88

09-13-2007, 10:42 PM

I can't wait to see that stupid and suprise look on Dustin's face when Zach walks into the sequestial house!!!! LMAO
Is this the look?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/holeemackeral/Picture1.jpg

Knives of Ice

09-13-2007, 10:46 PM

I don't. He could have took out Dani last week when he had a chance. The moment he didn't do that, his fate was sealed.

Of the final three, I wanted Dani to win, however she is such a whiner, I don't know that I care. ED was a D. I don't see what he did as good gameplay. He was just not a nice guy.

He gave the show a boost, but I wish he would have went out fourth.

i saw him clearly shake his hand then continue celebrating. big deal he was happy and actually had a real reaction, unlike all the fakeness and bs in past seasons he didn't have to continue kissing ass like others to try to win jury votes. he was happy and celebrated, who cares? he did clearly shake zac's hand though and his goodbye msg was also respectful.

DLL66

09-13-2007, 10:48 PM

Is this the look?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/holeemackeral/Picture1.jpg

LMAO..............Priceless!

gossamer88

09-13-2007, 10:57 PM

This is the worst final two ever (yes, worse than Maggie and Ivette.)
You're crazy! Even Boogie and Erica were worst than the Donatos.

appleye1

09-13-2007, 11:03 PM

Dick was hilarious with all his puffed up strutting around at the end! He looked like a rooster. Heh-heh! He's a character.

Actually he reminded me of that Seinfeld episode where Elaine is dating "The Wiz" from the mattress store commercials. "I'm the Wiz! I'm the Wiz! And noooobody can beat me!" :D

Johnny Dancing

09-13-2007, 11:17 PM

Wouldn't it have better if Amber and Jamika were the final 2 - not. The best players won.

They did have a huge advantage with the father daughter trust bond. But then again they were the only ones of the "hate each other" pairs to use the twist to their advantage - genius.

Next year should be real fun when 3 or 4 people are using Dick's strategy.

Dssturbo1

09-13-2007, 11:27 PM

Time to turn off my feed subscription and delete SP. Hope it is better next summer. And does AP even matter? Is Eric at 19 tasks and needs one more to get another $10k?
julie said when he was evicted he had already earned $40K so that is 20 task minimum already completed.

Fl_Gulfer

09-13-2007, 11:28 PM

You're crazy! Even Boogie and Erica were worst than the Donatos.
At least Boogie and Erica didn't call people nasty names to there face and treat people like Dick did. Boogie did all his stuff for fun and not spite. You must not watch the Showtime feeds at night. Just to see how crazy Dick realy is. The guy argues with himself. He don't deserve a dime and neither does his clone daughter.
Just my rant. sorry

Dssturbo1

09-13-2007, 11:31 PM

what was up with the rabbit. instead of faster it looked like it got erratic and slowed down. then no rabbit for ED and zach??

forecheck

09-13-2007, 11:42 PM

Maybe the will offer Eric another $10K or $20K just for the last task, otherwise, like others have said, why would he even bother?

USAFSSO

09-13-2007, 11:50 PM

what was up with the rabbit. instead of faster it looked like it got erratic and slowed down. then no rabbit for ED and zach??

Other boards said it broke down when Danielle missed jumping over it.

martinp13

09-14-2007, 12:01 AM

Well, THAT was a huge bag of suck.+ 500,000

I dunno if I give a crap about the last episodes. Certainly not the recap on Sunday. I will probly TiVo the finale and if someone says anything interesting happened (ie, Jameka crams a Bible down Dick's throat or Amber goes for 3 min 38 sec without crying), I'll go back and watch it. :)

Knives of Ice

09-14-2007, 12:09 AM

At least Boogie and Erica didn't call people nasty names to there face and treat people like Dick did. Boogie did all his stuff for fun and not spite. You must not watch the Showtime feeds at night. Just to see how crazy Dick realy is. The guy argues with himself. He don't deserve a dime and neither does his clone daughter.
Just my rant. sorry

wow, you mean dick actually called them names TO THEIR FACE unlike everyone else in the house and in past games. its not like everyone else wasn't saying the same things behind peoples backs, at least dick did it to their faces and would stand behind what he said.

plus, he called people names almost always 100% of the time out of pure strategy. he wanted to rattle people before competitions and it worked.

OhioUmpire

09-14-2007, 12:35 AM

It's more than just calling names. CBS did not even come close to showing the extent of Dick's raves. Dick took it to a much more personal level of attack than anyone else ever has.

D&D claim they had a "target on their backs since the beginning." That is hardly the truth, Dick put the target on both of their back with his behavior.

Why am I not surprised there are so many personal issues at play between father and daughter. I am fairly certain that when they look back at the tapes, they will be in amazement of how they look through all of it. Daniele with her "I dont' care, you don't understand" whining BS. She's the typical BRAT that most people can not stomach.

They got the money. Yippee... It doesn't change the fact that most show viewers dislike both of them.

HDTivoDesire

09-14-2007, 12:36 AM

Dick was the star of the show. He deserves to win and will win. Is he the oldest winner (age 44) in BB history?

DLL66

09-14-2007, 12:40 AM

They got the money. Yippee... It doesn't change the fact that most show viewers dislike both of them.

Oh..............I don't know all about that!!!!

Dnamertz

09-14-2007, 12:53 AM

Haha!! Got to love it! Couldn't end any better!!!

Evil is rewarded and everyone who is happy about it is evil too.

And whats with saving the lamest competition for last? Every year they use the "complete the following sentence..." contest for the most important competition of the game. You can always tell most of the final two contestants end up guessing. And once Zach fell behind, it turned out that Dick guessed the same answer as Zach so right or wrong, Zach couldn't catch up.

Unless the AP vote about who to give the money to has "charity" as one of the choices, there is no point in voting. Lets see, reward Hatred and his daugher, or Spoiled Brat and her dad. Yawn CBS, yawn!!!

Who punches a wall and kicks a trash can because they just won $50,000 (maybe $500,000)? Who gets angry when they just won? Psycho!

Hexerott

09-14-2007, 01:20 AM

LoL.... I am not sure what is funnier, watching the show or reading these posts.

sonnik

09-14-2007, 01:28 AM

It's more than just calling names. CBS did not even come close to showing the extent of Dick's raves. Dick took it to a much more personal level of attack than anyone else ever has..

I saw the live Showtime feeds. Over the top maybe, but not over the line. Jameka to her credit responded in kind. He mocked Jameka's religion and Amber's past drug use. If they weren't willing for it to be a point of contention, they would have been more private about it. Either way, I'm sure the opponents Dick belittled are over it. And if they can't, too bad. I don't want to watch some touchy-feely love fest.

There are different strategies for different seasons. If the strategy wasn't different, it probably wouldn't be a strategy that worked well. Think of how different Eddie (Season 1) and Doctor Will (Season 2) were.

Yippee... It doesn't change the fact that most show viewers dislike both of them.

Where are you getting that statistic from? Even CBS's website shows Dick and Daniele as favorites consistantly since episode 15. See http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother8/polls/results.shtml (Love them or Leave them).

Dnamertz

09-14-2007, 01:33 AM

Where are you getting that statistic from? Even CBS's website shows Dick and Daniele as favorites consistantly since episode 15. See http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother8/polls/results.shtml (Love them or Leave them).

Actually Zach is the most favorite. And yes, Dick was the 2nd favorite, but the poll doesn't show that the 72% of people who didn't vote for him probably rank them as their least favorite.

Dnamertz

09-14-2007, 01:33 AM

I saw the live Showtime feeds. Over the top maybe, but not over the line.

Not over the line??? Wow!

sonnik

09-14-2007, 01:34 AM

Evil is rewarded and everyone who is happy about it is evil too.

...

Who punches a wall and kicks a trash can because they just won $50,000 (maybe $500,000)? Who gets angry when they just won? Psycho!

Wow. Hopefully this post was jest.

SnakeEyes

09-14-2007, 01:36 AM

Where are you getting that statistic from? Even CBS's website shows Dick and Daniele as favorites consistantly since episode 15. See http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother8/polls/results.shtml (Love them or Leave them).

Except that poll is ridiculously not even close to reliable due to all the auto voter sites out there.

sonnik

09-14-2007, 01:43 AM

They got the money. Yippee... It doesn't change the fact that most show viewers dislike both of them.

Actually Zach is the most favorite. And yes, Dick was the 2nd favorite, but the poll doesn't show that the 72% of people who didn't vote for him probably rank them as their least favorite.

That's not what OhioUmpire's quote said, now was it?

Not over the line??? Wow!

Define "over the line"... did it offend you? It sounds like it. And if it did, you're free to say it offended you or you'd prefer to not hear someone speak that way.

Did it offend everyone else, or the majority of the rest of the audience? Apparently not. Therefore, I don't think it was over the line.

Except that poll is ridiculously not even close to reliable due to all the auto voter sites out there.

It's better than a blanket statement that says "It doesn't change the fact that most show viewers dislike both of them." without any kind of evidence to back a statement like that up. And even if there are "auto voter" sites out there, why would they favor the Donatos and no one else?

dfergie

09-14-2007, 01:48 AM

ayrton911

09-14-2007, 01:48 AM

I'm quite disappointed. I sure didn't want those two to make it to the end! :(

I miss Eric and Jessica so much. I loved those two.

The ones I like always go out, and the ones I hate always win! :)

I think it would be stupid to give Dick the win. I don't like Danielle, but she was a strong competitor, and I think to give it to Evil, when he was so bad to people would be wrong.

marksman

09-14-2007, 02:13 AM

I hate Dick and Danielle both. They ruined the show for me this year. The fact that those other idiots didn't get rid of them doesn't help.

I hope it sinks in to Dick the genius when he realizes the ONLY reason he made it past the halfway point was because of the AP twist. Otherwise he was gone.

All that being said, I don't begrudge Danielle the Win. She earned it. She did so well in challenges, she did enough for me. Doesn't mean I like her... but I don't begrudge her it.

Martha

09-14-2007, 07:23 AM

Martha

09-14-2007, 08:39 AM

Oh and my prediction for next year during an update show on BB9 is D&D not talking to each other due to the money. More things change more they stay the same.

+1.

Although I doubt they'll do an update on them, I do think if Dick really wanted a relationship with Daniele, he blew it.

If Dick wins, the only way she would think he is being "fair" is to give her ALL the money. If she wins, she will probably say, "So long sucker" and never speak to him again. :p

jlb

09-14-2007, 08:40 AM

TriBruin

09-14-2007, 08:45 AM

what was up with the rabbit. instead of faster it looked like it got erratic and slowed down. then no rabbit for ED and zach??

I had heard what happens on the updates boards, but after watching the show, I think the rabbit was already starting to break down (that is why it started slowing down). Either Daniele hitting it finished it off or it just happened to stop right at her position.

IndyJones1023

09-14-2007, 08:46 AM

I thought the slow down was on purpose. It certainly made jumping more difficult!

TriBruin

09-14-2007, 08:49 AM

Dick is.

I hope Danielle wins so that she can screw ED over and not split the total pot with him. I was hoping BB would fine him for (nearly) destroying CBS property.

Oh, and another feeling about Dick, in the great words of Forrest Gump, Stupid is as Stupid does.

Personally, I hope that Daniele's finance is at the finale. Can you "AWKWARD!" :D

But given the choice between Evil & Evil Spawn, I think that Daniele played a way better game than Dick (sorry a a pathetic need to insult everyone is NOT a strategy, it is a personality.)

Jebberwocky!

09-14-2007, 08:56 AM

I've said it before and last night proved me out - totally unfair to have a related pair of houseguests - the Donato's.

Outside of that peeve of mine, this season was enjoyable.

Even though Dick is such a wanker, I would give him the $$ because it would hank off Dani even more than if ED came in second..

WhiskeyTango

09-14-2007, 09:03 AM

unicorngoddess

09-14-2007, 09:10 AM

Yeah, the rabbit was slowing down...but was Danielle trying to run away from it or what? Seems to me like she could've stepped over it, but she backed up and fell off her carrot.

Towards the end of the bunny hop comp, I STRONGLY got the feeling that Danielle was playing on her dad's emotions. I really do feel like she's used him this whole game and has no intention of bonding with him after the show. Heck, I'm willing to bet if Dani wins, she takes the money, runs to Nick and starts a life with him and completely cuts herself off from her dad again. She is probably the fakest person I've ever seen play BB.

You know what would be great? Since America's Player is the ONLY reason Dick and Danielle made it this far in the game, I think Eric's prize money should come out of the winner's jackpot. :p

dtle

09-14-2007, 09:20 AM

Mikkel_Knight

09-14-2007, 09:20 AM

Nobody comments on Dustin's remarks about Eric and Jessica and "noise"?
:D

Mikkel_Knight

09-14-2007, 09:22 AM

Anybody think it's unfair how the competitions round were set up? Because of the D&D alliance, their chances were magnified. They had 6 chances to win (2 x 3), needing to win only 2 (because the winner of 2nd round only matter if Zack lost 1st round). Zack, on the other hand, has only 3 chances (at the most, assuming he lost 1st round), needing to win 2.

It would've been more fair to let Zack played in the 2nd round, if he had won both 1st and 2nd, he won the whole competition.
I would much rather see a final three competition where the winner of the 1st competition becomes one of the final two, and the winner of the remaning two becomes the last part of the final two.

unicorngoddess

09-14-2007, 09:23 AM

Nobody comments on Dustin's remarks about Eric and Jessica and "noise"?
:D

I commented to my hubby that I didn't believe it one bit. Unless the shy, awkwardness Eric was showing in the BB house was all just an act.

I thought it was funnier how Amber was like awe, they're in love...and she tried to break them up on her way out the door.

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 09:24 AM

Except that poll is ridiculously not even close to reliable due to all the auto voter sites out there.

And the fact that the people who voted are a very, very small percentage of the people who watch the show.

And the voting was formulated on creating conflict. The votes were for drama, and the voting was to make the show have more conflict.

I'm a bit bummed with the result, but don't really care. After taxes and their big (and probably fun) party, they'll soon be out of money and having used up their 15 minutes of fame, will be back to the jobs and lives they had before. Which is the case for most people, right? $500,000 after taxes and stuff is awesome, but might not be life-changing.

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 09:31 AM

We replayed several times the scene where Dick and Zach were up there running on those stumps and Dick went off on how BB should bring it on because he's not going anywhere, etc.

Zach immediately started whooping it up and yells, "ME TOO! woohoo!!" The look on Dick's face was priceless. :up:

I liked Zack for doing that too. :)

Dick -- At first I liked him. Different, marches to his own drummer. I like that in people. And he was entertaining. But when he became hurtful and vicious I saw his true colors and started rooting against him.

Daniele -- Cute, young, won a ton of competitions. Sure she whines a ton, but she's young and immature and might grow out of that. I can't fault her for pairing with her dad. I'd take that advantage too.

Amber -- wow, she was nutters. The modeling comments, the crying. Yikes.

Jameka -- While her religious stuff was a bit much and I don't really agree with the predestined "God already knows who will win" stuff, I admire her faith and the fact that she rarely resorted to name-calling.

Eric -- always struck me as a weasel and his comments about people were not only mean, they didn't even count as strategy. He's not as smart as he thinks he is.

Jessica -- I liked her.

Jen -- She couldn't be more self-absorbed if she were made out of 50% water and 50% sponge. But that was fun to me, and harmless.

Others -- Not sure.

jlb

09-14-2007, 09:32 AM

I'd take it and pay off the mortgage. That would be a good change in my book....

gossamer88

09-14-2007, 09:32 AM

jlb

09-14-2007, 09:35 AM

Nobody comments on Dustin's remarks about Eric and Jessica and "noise"?
:D

Here's hoping Jess does some.......er.....modeling. ;)

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 09:37 AM

I thought the slow down was on purpose. It certainly made jumping more difficult!

I thought the same.

And while the Big Brother sets are getting better every year, it does seem they still use Carnies to put these things together.

So you have a pole on a motor, and one little bump to the pole and the motor dies? Huh?

... and while dick did destroy that final set, it was just a $30 piece of sheet metal. Granted since it was related to Hollywood the value after all the unions and salaries and such made it a $3,000 piece of metal.

loubob57

09-14-2007, 09:40 AM

Whichever one gets the money I really hope they spend some of it on therapy.

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 09:45 AM

I'd take it and pay off the mortgage. That would be a good change in my book....

Completely agree. But after taxes and such, what are we down to? $300,000?

Who knows, but I'm guessing Dick/Daniele will have a party for about $10k, buy a car/motorcycle/both, then some fun stuff.

A few of their friends will bum some money off them, and I could see someone talking them into a really bad investment.

I think they'll be back to their old ways quite soon.

unicorngoddess

09-14-2007, 09:48 AM

Gettin' so tired of people saying "if it wasn't for AP..." There were 11 other house guest that did nothing about those two. Dick was up twice and they vote out Joe and Dustin instead?! They have themselves to blame. Enough with that tool Eric and how much of a difference he made!!

Because its true. Everyone was all set to vote out Dick when he was on the block against Dustin. BECAUSE OF AP'S VOTE TO GET RID OF DUSTIN INSTEAD, Eric was able to manipulate the votes to send Dustin home over Dick. If it weren't for AP, Eric would have voted out Dick over Dustin.

newsposter

09-14-2007, 10:07 AM

I'd take it and pay off the mortgage. That would be a good change in my book....

wouldn't it be wiser to invest in something paying more than your mortgage because of the tax deduction thing? It's too early for me to do the math :)

KyleLC

09-14-2007, 10:20 AM

wouldn't it be wiser to invest in something paying more than your mortgage because of the tax deduction thing?Yep. 10 Reasons to Carry a Long Mortgage (http://www.ricedelman.com/planning/home/BLTmortgage.asp)

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 10:23 AM

Yep. 10 Reasons to Carry a Long Mortgage (http://www.ricedelman.com/planning/home/BLTmortgage.asp)

Hey now, No logic allowed in a Big Brother thread.

Sheesh.

I wonder if Dick has a mortgage...

unicorngoddess

09-14-2007, 10:24 AM

wouldn't it be wiser to invest in something paying more than your mortgage because of the tax deduction thing? It's too early for me to do the math :)

Depending on how much you owe and what property value is doing in your neighborhood. If *I* were to take that money and pay off my mortgage, use the remaining to fix up the house a bit and then turn around and sell it, I'd make one heckuva profit because property value in my area has gone way up since we got our house.

But I see Dick investing it in his bar or whatever. Much like what Boogie did. Boogie has done excelent though. Him and his business partner just recently opened up another sucessful restraunt.

If Dick wins the money, he at least seems to have some business smarts dispite his attitude. So I think he could invest it wisely.

I don't think I could say the same for Danielle, who I still don't think would give any of the money to her dad. I can see Dick splitting the money equally though. I could already hear Danielle now, "He's already got enough money. Why should I give him any of mine?"

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 10:26 AM

Depending on how much you owe and what property value is doing in your neighborhood. If *I* were to take that money and pay off my mortgage, use the remaining to fix up the house a bit and then turn around and sell it, I'd make one heckuva profit because property value in my area has gone way up since we got our house.

But I see Dick investing it in his bar or whatever. Much like what Boogie did. Boogie has done excelent though. Him and his business partner just recently opened up another sucessful restraunt.

If Dick wins the money, he at least seems to have some business smarts dispite his attitude. So I think he could invest it wisely.

I don't think I could say the same for Danielle, who I still don't think would give any of the money to her dad. I can see Dick splitting the money equally though. I could already hear Danielle now, "He's already got enough money. Why should I give him any of mine?"

I think Dani wins because of the competitions. She did do well, and like her or not, you can't deny those wins.

Someone here will give us an update in two years when Dani hasn't shared any of the money with Dick and they're not speaking again. :p

unicorngoddess

09-14-2007, 10:37 AM

I think Dani wins because of the competitions. She did do well, and like her or not, you can't deny those wins.

Someone here will give us an update in two years when Dani hasn't shared any of the money with Dick and they're not speaking again. :p

Yeah, but with Dick winning the last HOH, that puts his HOH count higher than Danielle's. Yeah, she won more POVs, but what good does that do you in the last round when there is no POV to be won? Danielle was first out of the bunny hop and she failed MISERABLY in round 2...taking her twice as long to finish than the 40-something smoker.

mwhip

09-14-2007, 10:39 AM

Hey now, No logic allowed in a Big Brother thread.

Sheesh.

I wonder if Dick has a mortgage...

I am sure he does but he lives in Southern California so $500k is not going to put a dent in it.

DancnDude

09-14-2007, 11:25 AM

Yeah, but with Dick winning the last HOH, that puts his HOH count higher than Danielle's. Yeah, she won more POVs, but what good does that do you in the last round when there is no POV to be won? Danielle was first out of the bunny hop and she failed MISERABLY in round 2...taking her twice as long to finish than the 40-something smoker.
Right. And Dick basically controlled Danielle's HoH nominations anyways. I'm leaning more towards Dick to win even though I didn't like his tactics. They worked and worked well.

marksman

09-14-2007, 11:47 AM

Gettin' so tired of people saying "if it wasn't for AP..." There were 11 other house guest that did nothing about those two. Dick was up twice and they vote out Joe and Dustin instead?! They have themselves to blame. Enough with that tool Eric and how much of a difference he made!!

I am sure you are sharing the denial that Dick will have when he gets out and refused to admit that the only reason he got anywhere in the game is because of outside influences.

I agree the other people have themselves to blame for not getting him out, but Dick does not have himself to credit for being there, as there was a force totally outside his control and outside of the game in the house that kept him in there.

ireland967

09-14-2007, 12:00 PM

The odds have to be on Dani to win, I just don't see Amber, Jameka or Jen possibly giving Dick a vote. It's too bad the jury can't vote for none of the above.

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 12:50 PM

The odds have to be on Dani to win, I just don't see Amber, Jameka or Jen possibly giving Dick a vote. It's too bad the jury can't vote for none of the above.

That would be a nice twist, but the way the game works and the way so many people are petty, jealous and vindictive...

I wonder if anyone would ever choose anything but "None of the Above". :)

It's always a lesser of two evils thing, right? Was there ever a winner where people said "Yay, I wanted him to win!"

I'll admit that I only use short-term memory cells for Big Brother.

Topher5000

09-14-2007, 01:02 PM

Was Zach trying to get D&D to invest in his invention? Anybody know what his invention is?

Rolf

09-14-2007, 01:34 PM

I was hoping BB would fine him for (nearly) destroying CBS property.

Cardboard HOH competition divider: $1.79
Cheapo trash can from Chinese import store: $6.99

I think Dick will be able to cover the damages.

bareyb

09-14-2007, 01:47 PM

Cardboard HOH competition divider: $1.79
Cheapo trash can from Chinese import store: $6.99

I think Dick will be able to cover the damages.

If he were smart he'd buy the trash can from CBS and sell it on ebay for a hundred times it's current value. Worth much more with the dent. :D

bareyb

09-14-2007, 02:02 PM

I do think the off season will be marred with controversy with the actions of Dick and Amber...

I understand about Dick but Besides living in some sort of magical kingdom where people like her become famous models and inspirational speakers... What did Amber do? :confused:

forecheck

09-14-2007, 02:03 PM

Any guesses where the jury house is? Jemeka's car had California plates on it, and it is located on a golf course, so I am thinking Palm Springs?

IndyJones1023

09-14-2007, 02:06 PM

I understand about Dick but Besides living in some sort of magical kingdom where people like her become famous models and inspirational speakers... What did Amber do? :confused:
She made disparaging remarks about Jewish people.

jlb

09-14-2007, 02:17 PM

wouldn't it be wiser to invest in something paying more than your mortgage because of the tax deduction thing? It's too early for me to do the math :)

That's what I love about this board....you say something to mean one thing and you get answers back related to another meaning.

I know that would make financial sense.....I was just saying/giving one way that they could spend the money.....Oh well.

Normally, I would watch the highlights thingy, but not this year. Not interested enough. I'll be recording the Emmy's and the Patriot's Game.

Jstkiddn

09-14-2007, 02:20 PM

If he were smart he'd buy the trash can from CBS and sell it on ebay for a hundred times it's current value. Worth much more with the dent. :D

:up: :up: :up:

DancnDude

09-14-2007, 02:25 PM

jlb

09-14-2007, 02:27 PM

Hey,

In the past, didn't CBS allow you to get the last couple of days of the live feeds for free? I wouldn't mind it if they did just so I can hear D&D say really stupid stuff and make me hate them more.

But for now, the feeds are as such:

http://www.real.com/bigbrother?pcode=cbs&cpath=cbs

http://i2.tinypic.com/61kqk60.jpg

What a rip! And why would I want to pay $7.99/month after the finale to watch BB on Demand stuff?!?!?!?!?! Sheeeeeeesh!

jlb

09-14-2007, 02:29 PM

Oh wait. I guess I may have readf it wrong. I am now thinking you can get the 3 day finale special and then just cancel. Anyone else concur?

[EDIT]

I followed the link and it does in fact say this:

CBS Big Brother 24/7 on SuperPass
Thank you for choosing CBS Big Brother 24/7 on SuperPass.
If you continue your subscription past the 3 day trial you will be charged $7.99 for the first month and $14.99 for each month thereafter.

I guess I would do it, but it is for "3 days" so if you wanted the feeds leading up to the live finale (unless they turn them off), Then you would want Sun-Tues. You'll need to not sign up until Sunday. And then you have to remember to cancel.

So, in fact, I do think the CBS/Real page is misleading. They first call it the 3-day Season Finale Special....making you think you get it through the finale. But if you sign up now (Friday) and don't cancel by the end of the day Sunday, you will be charged to be able to watch Monday-Tuesday.

BURN IN HELL CBS!!!!!!

bareyb

09-14-2007, 02:33 PM

She made disparaging remarks about Jewish people.

Ah. I must have missed that. Pretty hypocritical of her I must say... Certainly not being a "good person" doing something like that. :D

unicorngoddess

09-14-2007, 02:36 PM

She is a cocktail waitress.

And a meth addict. It was always unclear to me...was she an addict right up until going into the house and used BB as a rehab? Or did she quit shortly before going into the house?

DancnDude

09-14-2007, 02:36 PM

There's nothing to watch on the live feeds now. I'm probably gonna cancel before the show ends since there's nothing going on in the house anyways. Why would you sign up now?

I mainly get them to watch the live endurance HoH competitions and I pop in every so often to see if there is anything interesting. I did get to see Jen and Dick's big blowup fight, which was worth the cost of the feeds this year.

IndyJones1023

09-14-2007, 02:38 PM

And a meth addict. It was always unclear to me...was she an addict right up until going into the house and used BB as a rehab? Or did she quit shortly before going into the house?
She couldn't have used BB as rehab. She'd be having bad DTs.

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 02:39 PM

Was Zach trying to get D&D to invest in his invention? Anybody know what his invention is?

He owns a company called Dolphin Crash. On the show, he has been seen wearing shirts with the company's name and logo, and sports the logo as a tattoo on his upper-left shoulder on his back.

bareyb

09-14-2007, 02:45 PM

And a meth addict. It was always unclear to me...was she an addict right up until going into the house and used BB as a rehab? Or did she quit shortly before going into the house?
My Wife and I guessed that she was "new in recovery". Hence all the over the top praying (God bless you God!) and emotionalism. Pretty typical of newly sober folks who have "found God". I can tell you for SURE that working in a bar as cocktail waitress is NOT recommended if you are new in recovery (or in recovery at all). A drug is a drug, as they say... Either way, she's a trainwreck, but I hope she ends up getting SOMETHING out of the show. Maybe she could an "inspirational spokesmodel". :rolleyes:

unicorngoddess

09-14-2007, 02:59 PM

My Wife and I guessed that she was "new in recovery". Hence all the over the top praying (God bless you God!) and emotionalism. Pretty typical of newly sober folks who have "found God". I can tell you for SURE that working in a bar as cocktail waitress is NOT recommended if you are new in recovery (or in recovery at all). A drug is a drug, as they say... Either way, she's a trainwreck, but I hope she ends up getting SOMETHING out of the show. Maybe she could an "inspirational spokesmodel". :rolleyes:

She was on some kind of medication in the house, I know that. Jamika would have to remind her daily to take her pills.

But, yeah, the fact that she was listed as a Vegas cocktail waitress is what makes me think she was still on the drugs before coming in the house. She probably had to work the graveyard shift, and, as she said, turned to drugs to give her the energy to work. So if it was because of the job and the environment that she started taking the drugs, I can't see how she would stay with the job and be successful at quiting the drugs.

dimented

09-14-2007, 03:12 PM

That would be a nice twist, but the way the game works and the way so many people are petty, jealous and vindictive...

I wonder if anyone would ever choose anything but "None of the Above". :)

It's always a lesser of two evils thing, right? Was there ever a winner where people said "Yay, I wanted him to win!"

I'll admit that I only use short-term memory cells for Big Brother.

Will maybe.

Fl_Gulfer

09-14-2007, 03:14 PM

Dolphin Crash is the company that Zack owns and operates. It is a graphic design company based out of California

mcb08

09-14-2007, 03:16 PM

He owns a company called Dolphin Crash. On the show, he has been seen wearing shirts with the company's name and logo, and sports the logo as a tattoo on his upper-left shoulder on his back.
Didn't they blur out all the logos of Boogies restaurant last year, or do I just have a bad memory?

pmyers

09-14-2007, 04:42 PM

bareyb

09-14-2007, 05:00 PM

Will ED totally throw the final 2 to Dani? Imagine how boring that would be if all he said was for the jury to vote for his daughter.

I hope he does that and then the jury gives it to him just to burn him.

Either way who wins, I bet the money will seperate them again.
I don't see how it couldn't. They obviously need a LOT of counseling and money is the "root of all evel" doncha know... :D

If Dani wins, she will soon find a reason to cut Dick out of her life again. I'm sure Dick will give her plenty of reasons. If Dick wins, Dani will likely decide she "deserves" some portion of it and will hang around until it's clear there isn't any more money to get.

Dicks best bet would be to give her the legally tax free amount ($11k I believe) each year and leave it at that. Any more after that would be a "gift" I believe and would subject to "gift tax" which is pretty high. That would at least give her incentive to stick around. I'd love to see them work out their problems but I feel there is more to this than meets the eye. I tend to agree with the others who have said, they will soon not be talking again. Too bad too... They both need therapy. :(

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 05:11 PM

Didn't they blur out all the logos of Boogies restaurant last year, or do I just have a bad memory?

I think you're right. I was a bit confused that they allowed the Dolphin Crash shirts each and every single day.

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 05:12 PM

I don't see how it couldn't. They obviously need a LOT of counseling and money is the "root of all evel" doncha know... :D

Yeah. And it's "The love of money is the root of all evil." And we know they'll both be lovin' that money.

They're doomed me thinks.

stellie93

09-14-2007, 05:37 PM

They did have a huge advantage with the father daughter trust bond. But then again they were the only ones of the "hate each other" pairs to use the twist to their advantage - genius.

The thing is, the other pairs really both hated the other. Dick came in with the idea of getting back into Danielle's life. She may have just taken advantage of him, but he really loves her and has a degree of loyalty you would never get from a stranger as an ally--as shown when he gave her the veto instead of using it himself.

Then throw in the unfair disadvantage to Eric (and indirectly to Jessica) of the America's player stuff, and it's really bad.

I thought that usually on these shows, like Survivor, you aren't allowed to share the money with any other contestant, to avoid just this kind of deal where it doesn't matter who wins, Dani gets all the money anyhow. ;) (I bet she does)

And at least the final competition should be remembering things people said, not guessing what they said after they were gone. That makes it completely random. They might as well have drawn straws. :(

TriBruin

09-14-2007, 06:09 PM

I thought that usually on these shows, like Survivor, you aren't allowed to share the money with any other contestant, to avoid just this kind of deal where it doesn't matter who wins, Dani gets all the money anyhow. ;) (I bet she does)

I believe the exact rule is that you can't conspire to share the money. (I.e. throw the final HOH to me and I will give you 50% of the winnings.) However, choosing to share the money (or give extravegent gifts) after the show is over, would be very hard to prohibit and police. The extreme example is Romber. If they bought a house, partially using Amber's survivor winnings, how could you prohibit that?

Mikkel_Knight

09-14-2007, 07:12 PM

I believe the exact rule is that you can't conspire to share the money. (I.e. throw the final HOH to me and I will give you 50% of the winnings.) However, choosing to share the money (or give extravegent gifts) after the show is over, would be very hard to prohibit and police. The extreme example is Romber. If they bought a house, partially using Amber's survivor winnings, how could you prohibit that?
Rob/Amber was WAAAY late to the party when it came to sharing prize money...

Tina bought Colby a Harley the day of or the day after she got her (real) check from Australia...

Dnamertz

09-14-2007, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dnamertz
Evil is rewarded and everyone who is happy about it is evil too.

...

Who punches a wall and kicks a trash can because they just won $50,000 (maybe $500,000)? Who gets angry when they just won? Psycho!

Wow. Hopefully this post was jest.

Which part do you think should be in jest? Clearly someone has problems when they get that angry because they just won. Dick is one of those people who after his favorite sports team wins the championship, he would celebrate by going out and rioting and breaking windows.

And my 1st comment is accurate too. Dick by far had the worst behavior in the house and its factual to say that anyone who wants that to be rewarded has problems. Or are you one of those people who love Dick because he "tells it like it is" but then when someone tells it like it is about Dick's behavior, you don't like it?

forecheck

09-14-2007, 07:27 PM

Didn't they blur out all the logos of Boogies restaurant last year, or do I just have a bad memory?

Good question, but since they can control what clothing and logos go into the house, why would they let something in that they would have to blur and cause all the extra work for themselves?

Dnamertz

09-14-2007, 07:28 PM

Define "over the line"... did it offend you? It sounds like it. And if it did, you're free to say it offended you or you'd prefer to not hear someone speak that way.

Did it offend everyone else, or the majority of the rest of the audience? Apparently not. Therefore, I don't think it was over the line.

It didn't offend me personally because these things weren't said about me, but that doesn't mean they weren't offensive to the people he said them to. Whether it offended the majority of the onlookers or not, doesn't mean its good behavior (and how do you know it didn't offend the majority of the audience?). I define "Over the line" as saying things about someone's family, and repeatedly calling people vulgar names, and pouring tea on someone's head, and attacking someone's religion (not just disagreeing with it...and I'm not religious), and saying someone is a horrible mother and using their previous drug use against them.

Dnamertz

09-14-2007, 07:32 PM

Anybody think it's unfair how the competitions round were set up? Because of the D&D alliance, their chances were magnified. They had 6 chances to win (2 x 3), needing to win only 2 (because the winner of 2nd round only matter if Zack lost 1st round). Zack, on the other hand, has only 3 chances (at the most, assuming he lost 1st round), needing to win 2.

It would've been more fair to let Zack played in the 2nd round, if he had won both 1st and 2nd, he won the whole competition.

Its always been three rounds, so I don't know what they could have done. What they need to do is stop having people in the house who know each other. What was "unfair" is that Zach kicked butt in the toughest competition in BB in round one, but the winner was decided in round 3 by a random-guessing game of a competition.

Dnamertz

09-14-2007, 07:37 PM

Gettin' so tired of people saying "if it wasn't for AP..." There were 11 other house guest that did nothing about those two. Dick was up twice and they vote out Joe and Dustin instead?! They have themselves to blame. Enough with that tool Eric and how much of a difference he made!!

You forget, if America hadn't told Eric to get Dustin evicted that week the plan would have remained to vote out Dick. Eric's campaigning basically convinced Jessica (who was HoH at the time) that Dustin had to go, so then she told Jen and Zach (who were doing whatever the HoH told them) to vote out Dustin. AP changed that entire week.

JETarpon

09-14-2007, 08:30 PM

The best players won.

That's the exact problem I have with this season. It's not about "players" winning, it should be about a player winning. But by putting a father/daughter team in the house, they put in two people who would have an unbreakable alliance with each other and could share the winnings. That unbalanced the gameplay completely.

With other alliances, there was always the chance that someone could get turned, and in the end anybody in another alliance always had to look out for himself, to make sure that if he were up against his ally, the house would vote for him. But neither dick and danielle had to do that. They didn't need to worry about being up against someone they thought they could beat in the final two. All they needed to do was work together.

If Dick and Danielle were not father and daughter, when he won the final HoH, he would have chosen Zach. Danielle played a better game than Zach, was better liked than Zach (except for her association with Dick), and would have a much better chance of beating Dick in the final two.

And for all D&D's arrogance and smugness, they never seemed to appreciate the fact that they wouldn't be there in that position if Big Brother hadn't stacked the deck in their favor by giving each of them someone they could completely trust, AND could share the money with in the end.

Dssturbo1

09-14-2007, 08:58 PM

their advantage was just as much a disadvantage by putting a target on them, bb has had other family combos like twins, brother/sister, business partners, ex'es etc and it SHOULD put a target on them even though it does ally themselves they have to evade that target to survive and dani and evel did it this time with combination of luck and good playing that it takes to get to the end sharing the money or not.

Dssturbo1

09-14-2007, 09:01 PM

You forget, if America hadn't told Eric to get Dustin evicted that week the plan would have remained to vote out Dick. Eric's campaigning basically convinced Jessica (who was HoH at the time) that Dustin had to go, so then she told Jen and Zach (who were doing whatever the HoH told them) to vote out Dustin. AP changed that entire week.
yup america wasn't voting for the players it was voting for the drama it wanted to see.

bareyb

09-14-2007, 09:02 PM

Tina bought Colby a Harley the day of or the day after she got her (real) check from Australia...

She did? I thought she burned Colby and Rosie O'Donnell ended up buying him a Harley and giving it to him on her show. Maybe he ended up with two? Not bad, but he's still gets credit for one of the dumbest moves (Tina in the final two instead of the "cook") in Survivor history. :p

bareyb

09-14-2007, 09:06 PM

Mary64

09-14-2007, 09:22 PM

Dicks best bet would be to give her the legally tax free amount ($11k I believe) each year and leave it at that. Any more after that would be a "gift" I believe and would subject to "gift tax" which is pretty high. :(

Actually, the annual exclusion for 2007 is $12,000 per donee. And, even after the annual exclusion, a person can give away a total of $1,000,000 during his or her lifetime before any gift tax is due. Of course, this reduces the amount that Dick can pass free of estate tax at his death -- currently $2,000,000 (less amounts used for taxable, i.e., amounts in excess of the annual exclusion during life). The gift tax is imposed at a 45% rate and it is paid by the donor.

uncdrew

09-14-2007, 09:49 PM

appleye1

09-14-2007, 10:19 PM

Actually, the annual exclusion for 2007 is $12,000 per donee. And, even after the annual exclusion, a person can give away a total of $1,000,000 during his or her lifetime before any gift tax is due. Of course, this reduces the amount that Dick can pass free of estate tax at his death -- currently $2,000,000 (less amounts used for taxable, i.e., amounts in excess of the annual exclusion during life). The gift tax is imposed at a 45% rate and it is paid by the donor.Dick would figure out a plan to get the money to Danielle under the table. And yes it would be a stupid plan and he'd get caught and have to pay big time. (Or go to jail. They'll put in him a cell with Richard Hatch. :D)

We can only hope he gets some tax advice. It would be nice if these reality shows routinely give the winners free financial counseling (lotteries should do it too.)

newsposter

09-15-2007, 07:43 AM

after this year i'd be surprised if any family members were in here for a while...it's obvious they would be gone week 1

Rosincrans

09-15-2007, 10:51 AM

She did? I thought she burned Colby and Rosie O'Donnell ended up buying him a Harley and giving it to him on her show. Maybe he ended up with two? Not bad, but he's still gets credit for one of the dumbest moves (Tina in the final two instead of the "cook") in Survivor history. :pYeah I don't think Tina ever gave Colby a Harley. I always assumed it was because the Survivor people told her it would violate the contract she signed.

marksman

09-15-2007, 07:50 PM

Somehow I don't think Dick has to worry about surpassing the lifetime Gift Limit when he dies.

DLL66

09-15-2007, 10:41 PM

I can imagine her naked. :up:

We'll be seeing her boobies soon!!

Knives of Ice

09-16-2007, 02:28 AM

i hope amber's meth dealer is ready for her relapse after she's back in society and realizes the reality of how the public views her.

jradford

09-16-2007, 10:00 AM

Does anyone feel slightly bad for Jen? :D
I think she really expected (judging from the promos) to end up as a huge celebrity sex symbol by being on the show and that her "modeling career" would skyrocket. She has to a little bummed about how it all turned out. I can't remember another player in recent history who came off quite as bad as poor old Jen. Can you imagine anyone giving her a nanny job after that show? :o
I don't think she's "lost" anything career wise by being on the show. Yes, she made i clear that she was self-centered and has a different take on reality than most, but she still showed to have an entertaining personality, whether it's for the "train-wreck" or not. I'd imagine her modeling career will see a significant up tic because of her time spent on Big Brother.

What's REALLY sad is that someone probably will give Amber a shot at modeling solely because she was on Big Brother.

jon01

09-16-2007, 11:33 AM

did anyone think amber was even the slightest bit attractive? maybe it was all her god crap, but i didnt find 1 thing about her that was attractive.

- Jon

Hexerott

09-16-2007, 02:10 PM

It depends how drunk I am....

1-12 beers = She's nasty
13-17 beers = she's getting more visually tolerable
18+ beers/no one will ever know = I'd hit it. :eek:

Sir_winealot

09-16-2007, 02:48 PM

I thought Amber looked just like a model.

Either that, or an inspirational speaker....

:p

lambertman

09-16-2007, 03:11 PM

I can't remember another player in recent history who came off quite as bad as poor old Jen. Can you imagine anyone giving her a nanny job after that show? :o

I don't see how you can think Jen came off badly.

stevemcl

09-16-2007, 06:57 PM

I don't see how you can think Jen came off badly.

At first I hated her. Then I liked her. Then I hated her.

mcb08

09-16-2007, 08:04 PM

I don't see how you can think Jen came off badly.
I think you forgot the eyeroll.

Mikkel_Knight

09-17-2007, 10:13 AM

I don't see how you can think Jen came off badly.
*eyebrow*
#1: She melted down over her picture on the wall. MELTED down. Like hysterics.

#2: She flat-out lied saying that Nick tried to kiss her because someone else was "crushing" on him or he was "crushing" on someone other than her.

#3: Again, during HoH, she took down a picture of her and her own mother.

#4: She broke house rules and spat in the face of integrity and gamesmanship by breaking the rule about eating.

You have watched the show this season, haven't you??

Jebberwocky!

09-17-2007, 10:32 AM

#1: She melted down over her picture on the wall. MELTED down. Like hysterics.

Okay, she has some issues

#2: She flat-out lied saying that Nick tried to kiss her because someone else was "crushing" on him or he was "crushing" on someone other than her.

I thought lying was part of the game ??

#3: Again, during HoH, she took down a picture of her and her own mother.

See response to #1

#4: She broke house rules and spat in the face of integrity and gamesmanship by breaking the rule about eating.

She knew she was going home and was hungry - much ado about nothing.

I think she came out looking much better than some of the other house guests namely ED and Amber.

Mikkel_Knight

09-17-2007, 11:03 AM

#2: She flat-out lied saying that Nick tried to kiss her because someone else was "crushing" on him or he was "crushing" on someone other than her.

I thought lying was part of the game ??
This had nothing to do with the game, and everything to do with she didn't get her way with "the hot guy on the show" and was wrought from pure jealousy... There was absolutely NO gameplay from that move... she was jilted and "left at the altar" so to speak.

As for eating, it boils down to a petulant whiney cry-baby who didn't get her way so she pouted and made a fuss instead of taking it with dignity and respect for the game itself.

And, the last point, yeah - Amber and Dick aren't exactly smelling like roses, but I'm more comfortable with Dick's over-the-top abuse and Amber's delusional self-denial and crying than Jen's spitting in the face of the game itself... *shrug*

To each their own.

jradford

09-17-2007, 11:44 AM

*eyebrow*
#1: She melted down over her picture on the wall. MELTED down. Like hysterics.

#2: She flat-out lied saying that Nick tried to kiss her because someone else was "crushing" on him or he was "crushing" on someone other than her.

#3: Again, during HoH, she took down a picture of her and her own mother.

#4: She broke house rules and spat in the face of integrity and gamesmanship by breaking the rule about eating.

You have watched the show this season, haven't you??
No disagreements with any of this, but the original point was that Jen came off so badly as to hurt her career. I don't think THAT could be further from the truth.

Sir_winealot

09-17-2007, 12:04 PM

No disagreements with any of this, but the original point was that Jen came off so badly as to hurt her career. I don't think THAT could be further from the truth.

If anything, she probably helped it. It's obvious she'd fit right in with the rest of the petulant prima donna's, :D .

sonnik

09-17-2007, 01:58 PM

Evil is rewarded and everyone who is happy about it is evil too.

Wow. Hopefully this post was jest.

Which part do you think should be in jest?

...

And my 1st comment is accurate too. Dick by far had the worst behavior in the house and its factual to say that anyone who wants that to be rewarded has problems. Or are you one of those people who love Dick because he "tells it like it is" but then when someone tells it like it is about Dick's behavior, you don't like it?

So, in other words, you feel you have the right to proclaim people who enjoy watching Dick as "Evil" as a factual statement?

That's the part that I was hoping was jest, but now - I'm just sad.

As far as "not liking it" - I'm not the one who classified those who disagree with me with a label.

Sir_winealot

09-17-2007, 02:12 PM

That's the part that I was hoping was jest, but now - I'm just sad.

Cheer up, it's not that bad ...really.

:p

lambertman

09-17-2007, 06:10 PM

Yes, I have watched this season. I saw a girl who started out as a nutjob, but once she settled down became a very entertaining good sport in the face of ridiculous abuse by practically the whole house, led by a crazy old jack*ss.

But OMG, she ate real food on her way out the door! That bitca!!

getreal

09-17-2007, 07:32 PM

That bitca!!
:confused: never heard of that expression before. :confused:

Rosincrans

09-17-2007, 07:53 PM

#4: She broke house rules and spat in the face of integrity and gamesmanship by breaking the rule about eating.

She knew she was going home and was hungry - much ado about nothing..So, it's okay to cheat if you know you're going to lose anyway?

lambertman

09-17-2007, 08:19 PM

What cheating? The rule is "if you're not supposed to eat, you'll be punished if you eat." She accepted the consequence.

It seems like it's only "cheating" if it can *help* you win. Such as getting coded messages in your letters from home, for example.

TriBruin

09-17-2007, 09:21 PM

:confused: never heard of that expression before. :confused:

Apparently you are not a Buffy fan.

TriBruin

09-17-2007, 09:24 PM

What cheating? The rule is "if you're not supposed to eat, you'll be punished if you eat." She accepted the consequence.
What's so funny about that incident, is that Big Brother had to change the punishment after giving her a penalty nomination. Oops, guess a penalty nom isn't very effective on someone who is already nominated and going home.

It seems like it's only "cheating" if it can *help* you win. Such as getting coded messages in your letters from home, for example.
I am sure Big Brother will throughly investigate this and, if true, take the appropriate action against Dick. :rolleyes:

nyny523

09-17-2007, 09:26 PM

This had nothing to do with the game, and everything to do with she didn't get her way with "the hot guy on the show" and was wrought from pure jealousy... There was absolutely NO gameplay from that move... she was jilted and "left at the altar" so to speak.

As for eating, it boils down to a petulant whiney cry-baby who didn't get her way so she pouted and made a fuss instead of taking it with dignity and respect for the game itself.

And, the last point, yeah - Amber and Dick aren't exactly smelling like roses, but I'm more comfortable with Dick's over-the-top abuse and Amber's delusional self-denial and crying than Jen's spitting in the face of the game itself... *shrug*

To each their own.
I gotta agree with you here.

I hated everyone.

But I hated Jen the most.

From day 1.

The girls' cheese has slipped off her cracker.

Dnamertz

09-17-2007, 09:31 PM

it boils down to a petulant whiney cry-baby who didn't get her way so she pouted and made a fuss...

When did the conversation turn to Danielle?

And, the last point, yeah - Amber and Dick aren't exactly smelling like roses, but I'm more comfortable with Dick's over-the-top abuse and Amber's delusional self-denial and crying than Jen's spitting in the face of the game itself... *shrug*

To each their own.

You're more comfortable with someone's mental abuse of another person than you are with the way someone treated a game??? Jen annoyed me, and she is very conceeded, but how did she "spit in the face of the game"? She completely excepted her punishment, without complaint. She didn't try to hide the fact that she was eating. I did start to admire the way she let all Dick's crap just roll off her back (up until the smoke blowing incident).

Dnamertz

09-17-2007, 09:37 PM

So, in other words, you feel you have the right to proclaim people who enjoy watching Dick as "Evil" as a factual statement?

That's the part that I was hoping was jest, but now - I'm just sad.

Nice of you to try to twist my words. I never said anything about people "enjoying watching Dick". I'm talking about those who are defending his bad behavior.

nyny523

09-17-2007, 09:38 PM

When did the conversation turn to Danielle?

You're more comfortable with someone's mental abuse of another person than you are with the way someone treated a game??? Jen annoyed me, and she is very conceeded, but how did she "spit in the face of the game"? She completely excepted her punishment, without complaint. She didn't try to hide the fact that she was eating. I did start to admire the way she let all Dick's crap just roll off her back (up until the smoke blowing incident).
I think you mean "conceited".

She never conceded to anything....

Dnamertz

09-17-2007, 11:01 PM

So, it's okay to cheat if you know you're going to lose anyway?

Ever watched basketball? In basketball there are rules that say not to foul another player, and if they do they get penalized (free throws). But when a team is losing, they "cheat" (as you call it) by INTENTIONALLY breaking the rules and fouling. They know the rules, intentionally break them, and pay the penalty. How is this different from what Jen did?

sonnik

09-18-2007, 02:56 AM

Evil is rewarded and everyone who is happy about it is evil too.

And my 1st comment is accurate too. Dick by far had the worst behavior in the house and its factual to say that anyone who wants that to be rewarded has problems. Or are you one of those people who love Dick because he "tells it like it is" but then when someone tells it like it is about Dick's behavior, you don't like it?

Nice of you to try to twist my words. I never said anything about people "enjoying watching Dick". I'm talking about those who are defending his bad behavior.

I think your words speak on their own, I don't need to twist them.

Mikkel_Knight

09-18-2007, 09:25 AM

When did the conversation turn to Danielle?
:D that was a good one ZING!! :D
You're more comfortable with someone's mental abuse of another person than you are with the way someone treated a game??? Jen annoyed me, and she is very conceeded, but how did she "spit in the face of the game"? She completely excepted her punishment, without complaint. She didn't try to hide the fact that she was eating. I did start to admire the way she let all Dick's crap just roll off her back (up until the smoke blowing incident).
Yes - the mental abuse was an effective ploy for throwing people off their game. Well within respecting the "rules" of the game. Jen eating was a complete disgrace and a total blow-off. A complete and utter disregard for the "rules" of the game. By doing that, she showed that she not only didn't respect the game itself, but also didn't respect the other players in the game. She put herself above the game and above the other players. She decided she didn't need to play by the rules. To me, that's pathetic.

As for basketball, the fouling of another player isn't even CLOSE to "cheating". In fact, it is often the greater strategic move in the game - by doing so, you are forcing someone to take center stage and make two free throws in what could be a high-pressure situation. Equating that to cheating is absolutely ridiculous...

Even more ridiculous is suggesting that Jen eating was a "strategic move" to help her in the game.

Jebberwocky!

09-18-2007, 09:32 AM

TriBruin

09-18-2007, 11:26 AM

:D that was a good one ZING!! :D

Yes - the mental abuse was an effective ploy for throwing people off their game. Well within respecting the "rules" of the game. Jen eating was a complete disgrace and a total blow-off. A complete and utter disregard for the "rules" of the game. By doing that, she showed that she not only didn't respect the game itself, but also didn't respect the other players in the game. She put herself above the game and above the other players. She decided she didn't need to play by the rules. To me, that's pathetic.

Sorry, can't let this go by. His action (if considered part of the game) went well beyond the rules of human decency. He twice physically assualted Jen. First he poured ice tea on her head (guess Ice Tea was Ok, as long as it wasn't Hot Tea or Coffee. :rolleyes: Second, after watching the tape again, I firmly believe that Dick INTENTIIONALLY tried to burn Jen's wrists with his cigarettes. He warns her that she "will get burned" and then made a motion DIRECTLY AT HER HANDS. (Now, I don't condone what Jen destroying his cigarettes, but that does not give him permission to burn her.)

I am not going to argue wether what Jen did was right or wrong. Obviously she broke the rules and she suffered a penalty for it. However, Dick's action (IMHO) went beyond what can be considered acceptable and should have resulted in his expulsion from the house.

nyny523

09-18-2007, 11:44 AM

Sorry, can't let this go by. His action (if considered part of the game) went well beyond the rules of human decency. He twice physically assualted Jen. First he poured ice tea on her head (guess Ice Tea was Ok, as long as it wasn't Hot Tea or Coffee. :rolleyes: Second, after watching the tape again, I firmly believe that Dick INTENTIIONALLY tried to burn Jen's wrists with his cigarettes. He warns her that she "will get burned" and then made a motion DIRECTLY AT HER HANDS. (Now, I don't condone what Jen destroying his cigarettes, but that does not give him permission to burn her.)

I am not going to argue wether what Jen did was right or wrong. Obviously she broke the rules and she suffered a penalty for it. However, Dick's action (IMHO) went beyond what can be considered acceptable and should have resulted in his expulsion from the house.
The iced tea thing was totally wrong.

But the cigarette thing, as I saw it, was her lunging repeatedly to try and take it away from him. He held it up in a way to prevent her from doing so. He was not trying to burn her, he was trying to protect his precious cigarette. If she is dumb enough to try to take a lit cigarette away from a lunatic - her bad. Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way.

IMO, both of these characters are deeply disturbed. I would say they deserved each other.

Mikkel_Knight

09-18-2007, 12:26 PM

MK - complete disgrace and pathetic? I know you really get into these shows but that' a little strong - it's only a reality TV show :D

They set rules and issue punishments if you break them. Romber did it in the Amazing Race IIRC and there was a huge debate whether or not he should have been tarred and feathered.

I know we look at things a little different at times but when I think of disgrace and pathetic relative the BB the only person that comes into mind is Dick.

to each their own ;)
I don't remember which rule Romber broke in AR... are you talking about the one where he tried to convince the people behind him to take the hour penalty? That was an absolutely brilliant game-move.

As for strong, yeah... I am... I'm of the opinion that you play to win the game, and that you respect the game and the spirit of it. Is Dick's behavior atrocious, yup. Do I think Dick is like that outside the house? To some extent, yes, but not to the severe degree we were shown. Why? Because of the stress level... I can be a Dick as well and probably would be if I were locked up with some of those people for 60+ days. It's all about being able to decompress and relax and let loose. In the house, you're not able to do that (or on any of these type of isolation shows). Your friends and family are a HUGE outlet. Hell - even watching television or surfing the net or reading a book or newspaper is a stress reliever. None of which anybody on an isolation-type show is able to have.

But, it's kind of an honor thing for me. I think Jen is a disgrace and pathetic because there's hundreds and thousands of people that would likely have made a better player than her. Sadly, the casting departments of many of these shows stopped looking for players years and years (seasons and seasons) ago and instead what "characters" to fit a "role". Which, don't get me wrong, makes for fantastic television without a doubt, but it kind of "taints" the experience for me. She agreed to start something, and then when things didn't go her way, she reneged on the deal. Finish what you started. Push through to the end.

Take Osten (from Survivor), for example... he just quit. In my opinion, he took up a slot/spot from someone who wanted it more - may not have been as good of a "character" or played as good of a "role", but definately someone who had more "heart" and pride for the game.

I just hate quitters and cheaters. And Jen can easily be described as both.

Jebberwocky!

09-18-2007, 12:35 PM

Nitpick: breaking a rule isn't cheating when you do it openly - it is cheating were Jen to have done it in seceret and tried to get away with it.

Nor did she quit - even a brain dead monkey would be able to figure out that she was bye bye - quitting would have been if she just demanded that she be allowed to leave.

Don't blame the player, blame the game ;) Not Gen fault she was picked - she had her strategy and while it didn't work out for her she deserved to play as much as any other contestant.

Osten = loser in my book as well and I agree with your points on him 100%

unicorngoddess

09-18-2007, 12:36 PM

The iced tea thing was totally wrong.

But the cigarette thing, as I saw it, was her lunging repeatedly to try and take it away from him. He held it up in a way to prevent her from doing so. He was not trying to burn her, he was trying to protect his precious cigarette. If she is dumb enough to try to take a lit cigarette away from a lunatic - her bad. Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way.

IMO, both of these characters are deeply disturbed. I would say they deserved each other.

Was it dumb for her to try to grab a lit cigarette? Yes. But after seeing it again, I am also of the opinion that he did purposefully make a move to burn her hand.

Jebberwocky!

09-18-2007, 12:39 PM

Was it dumb for her to try to grab a lit cigarette? Yes. But after seeing it again, I am also of the opinion that he did purposefully make a move to burn her hand.

Even though ED is a tool, he did warn her ahead of tiem she risked getting burned.

TriBruin

09-18-2007, 12:50 PM

Even though ED is a tool, he did warn her ahead of tiem she risked getting burned.

Which further strengthens the arguement that he had motive and intent. If he didn't want his "precious" cigarette to be taken, he could have easily moved it behind his back or over his head. Instead he moved it right where her hand was.

JETarpon

09-18-2007, 01:51 PM

I don't remember which rule Romber broke in AR... are you talking about the one where he tried to convince the people behind him to take the hour penalty? That was an absolutely brilliant game-move.

Convincing other people of something was not breaking the rules.

Romber chose not to complete the task and accepted the penalty that resulted, as specified by the rules.

Jen chose not to remain on slop, and accepted the penalty that resulted, as specified by the rules.

A basketball player fouls another player and accepts the penalty that results, as specified by the rules.

All three of those are the exact same thing. The rules state what is allowed/required and what isn't allowed, and if you do something that is not allowed, you are penalized according to the rules. That is not cheating.

Mikkel_Knight

09-18-2007, 02:04 PM

Convincing other people of something was not breaking the rules.

Romber chose not to complete the task and accepted the penalty that resulted, as specified by the rules.

Jen chose not to remain on slop, and accepted the penalty that resulted, as specified by the rules.

A basketball player fouls another player and accepts the penalty that results, as specified by the rules.

All three of those are the exact same thing. The rules state what is allowed/required and what isn't allowed, and if you do something that is not allowed, you are penalized according to the rules. That is not cheating.
I would disagree, and I can see how it can be interpretted as such. Jen knew she was going home, there was nothing she could do about it and therefore decided to be a petulant cry-baby and pout and have complete disregard for the spirit of the game...

There was no penalty for her when she chose to eat. She was going home and knew it. So BB put another vote against her? Please... as I understand it, they had to scramble to figure out what to do. She was spitting in the face of the producers (the way I see it) by doing what she did, and therefore, in my book, she's much worse than Dick and his antics...

You see it one way, I see it the other... *shrug* isn't that fun :)

DancnDude

09-18-2007, 02:10 PM

Actually the original rules stated that Jen should have gotten a penalty nomination. Since she was already nominated, Big Brother had to figure out what to do. They were going to give her a penalty nomination the next week until it started becoming an advantage. The house was going to keep her since she couldn't play HoH or Veto that week and vote her out then. So then they changed it to a penalty vote.

And Jen keeps saying that she didn't do it because she was mad at being voted out. She says she did it because Big Brother told her she could destroy the cigarettes before she entered the house, but then after she did destroy them they changed their tune. She said this was to get back at the Big Brother.

Dnamertz

09-19-2007, 01:10 AM

I think your words speak on their own, I don't need to twist them.

Yet you did.

Dnamertz

09-19-2007, 01:15 AM

As for basketball, the fouling of another player isn't even CLOSE to "cheating". In fact, it is often the greater strategic move in the game - by doing so, you are forcing someone to take center stage and make two free throws in what could be a high-pressure situation. Equating that to cheating is absolutely ridiculous...

I didn't equate fouling to cheating, you did by defining "cheating" as "violating the rules". Sure, fouling in basketball is a strategic move...so are you saying that violating the rules is OK as long as its used as a strategy to help you win? In that case its even worse than what Jen did because she didn't violate the rules to help herself win, she did it because she no longer cared and was also probably hungry.

Even more ridiculous is suggesting that Jen eating was a "strategic move" to help her in the game.

I never did that.